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AGM 2023

Nov 20, 2023

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Good morning, everyone. My name is Patricia McKenzie, and I am your Chair. Welcome to AGL's 2023 Annual General Meeting. It's a pleasure for the AGL Board to be present in Sydney for today's meeting. You will notice that I'm chairing this meeting from the desk rather than at the lectern today. This is because I currently have an injury that prevents me from standing for long periods of time. Thank you for your understanding. I would like to start the meeting by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land on which we meet today, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation, and pay my respects to their elders, past and present. Shareholders attending via our online platform may be doing so from other ancestral lands, and I also pay my respects to the traditional owners of those lands and their elders, past and present.

May I ask you to make sure that your mobile phones are switched to silent while the meeting is in progress. Filming in the meeting is not permitted, but please note that this meeting is being filmed on behalf of AGL for webcasting purposes. I also ask that you note where your nearest exit is, in the unlikely event it becomes necessary to evacuate the building. In the event of an emergency, please follow the instructions of venue staff. The notice convening this meeting has been made available to all registered shareholders, and the necessary quorum is present here today. Today's meeting is being conducted as a hybrid meeting, and our shareholders have been given the opportunity to attend the meeting in person or via the online platform. Shareholders have also been given the opportunity to lodge a proxy or direct vote and ask questions in advance of the meeting.

Shareholders and proxies attending using the online platform can submit written questions at any time. To ask a question, select the Q&A icon and type your question in the text box. Once you have finished typing, please hit the Send button. Although you can submit questions from now on, I will not address them until the relevant time in the meeting. Please also note that your questions may be moderated or if we receive multiple questions on one topic, amalgamated together. We will give shareholders a reasonable opportunity to ask questions, but it is possible that not all questions will be answered today. To ask a verbal question through the online platform, please follow the instructions set out on the platform. If you are attending online and are eligible to vote, once voting opens, press the Vote icon and all resolutions will be activated with voting options.

To cast your vote, simply select one of those options. There is no need to hit a Submit or Enter button, as the vote is automatically recorded. You will receive a vote confirmation notification on your screen. You can change your vote up until the time I declare voting closed. For those attending the meeting here in person, once we come to question time, you can ask a question by raising your hand and a microphone attendant will come to you. Please show your attendance card and provide your name. To be eligible to speak in person today, you must hold a yellow or blue attendance card. If you are eligible to vote, you can scan the QR code on your attendance card with your mobile device at any time after I open the voting. This will take you to an online voting page.

To cast your vote, simply select one of the options. There's no need to hit a Submit or Button or Enter button, as the vote is automatically recorded. You'll receive a vote confirmation notification on your screen. If you do not have a mobile device, you may complete the voting items on the reverse side of the attendance card, and Computershare staff will collect the cards at the conclusion of the meeting. You can change your vote up until the time I declare voting closed. I now declare voting open on all resolutions. I'll now explain the running order for today's meeting. In a moment, I will make a few remarks about AGL's strategy and our progress in delivering it over the last 12 months.

Then Damien Nicks, AGL's Managing Director and CEO, will speak to our FY 2023 financial results and operational performance and will give further details on our progress in delivering our strategy. We will then attend to the formal business of the meeting. I would now like to introduce my fellow directors. They are Mark Twidell, Christine Holman, Mark Bloom, Vanessa Sullivan, John Pollaers, Kerry Schott, Miles George, and Graham Cockroft, and our Managing Director and CEO, Damien Nicks. Also attending this meeting today is our Company Secretary, Melinda Hunter, and our Chief Financial Officer, Gary Brown, as well as other members of the executive team. AGL's external auditors, Deloitte, are also attending this meeting. The Senior Audit Partner, Harriet Fortescue, is available to answer any relevant questions in relation to the audit that you may wish to ask later in the meeting, and I thank her for attending today.

Turning now to the year in review. It has been a significant 12 months for AGL, and I'm excited by the opportunities ahead of us as we undertake one of the most important decarbonization initiatives in Australia and work towards delivering our strategy to connect our customers to a sustainable future and transition our energy portfolio. Last year, we announced our revised strategic direction and issued our inaugural Climate Transition Action Plan, which included accelerated closure dates for our thermal assets, Loy Yang A by 30th of June 2035, and Bayswater between 2030 and 2033. We also outlined our ambition to supply 12 GW of new renewable and firming capacity before 2036, with an interim target of 5 GW by 2030. Shareholders endorsed the Climate Transition Action Plan at last year's AGM, giving us a clear mandate to pursue these objectives.

At our Investor Day in June this year, we provided further details on our business strategies and our future vision. In summary, our strategy is to connect our customers to a sustainable future and to transition our energy portfolio. This strategy is supported by a strong foundation across our business, whereby we embrace ESG and continue to empower our people as a driving force of a safe, future-focused and purpose-driven business. We are also leveraging technology, digital innovation, and AI to enhance customer experience and strengthen our trading operations and risk management capabilities. Our strategy is also focused on driving long-term value for shareholders by strong financial stewardship and effective capital management. We have achieved some important milestones this year, including progressing our targets set out in the Climate Transition Action Plan and facilitating our customers to electrify and decarbonize the way they live, move, and work.

One of the most significant milestones this year was the safe and respectful closure of the Liddell Power Station after almost 52 years of operation, which is expected to result in a reduction of 8 million tons of greenhouse gas emissions annually from FY 2024, compared to when the power station was operating. To give this some context, this is equivalent to approximately 5% of emissions from Australia's electricity sector in 2021. We have also advanced our near-term target of 5 GW of new renewables and firming capacity by 2030, and we've increased our pipeline by 60%, from 3.2 GW - 5.3 GW since February this year. Our pipeline includes renewables such as solar and wind, as well as firming assets, including batteries and pumped hydro.

We are pursuing a number of options, including investing in innovation and technology, to allow AGL to execute on the opportunities that offer the best long-term value in the future. This is in addition to our external project options, including via our 20% investment in Tilt Renewables. A key example of our progression is the recent commissioning of the 250 MW Torrens Island battery, which is the second largest battery in Australia. To give some perspective, the battery is roughly the same size as the Adelaide Oval and includes 218 battery cabinets, housing more than 6,000 battery modules. Our ambition is to supply 12 GW of new generation and firming capacity by the end of 2035 and is supported by strong optionality.

For example, we will continue to expand our partnerships, look at selective acquisitions, and underwrite power purchase agreements, as we already do with Tilt Renewables, on the back of our large retail portfolio. We will look for the most efficient way of sourcing the required energy and firming capacity, having regard to quality, speed to market, customer demand, and effective risk management. The Board will also periodically review market dynamics, customer demand, and our development pipeline with a view to accelerating our decarbonization pathway where possible. We are equally committed to a strategy to connect our customers to a sustainable future through products and services that make it easy for them to decarbonize the way they live, move, and work. This strategy focuses on three areas: strengthening our core business while supporting our customers.

As a reminder, we currently provide 4.3 million customer services across energy and telco, which translates to more than 30% of households in the National Electricity Market. Capturing growth in new value pools, particularly those arising from decarbonization and electrification. It is our ambition to be the partner of choice for customers as they electrify and decarbonize, by providing a suite of innovative products and services that unlock new revenue streams and create a differentiated relationship with customers. Leveraging technology and digital innovation to unlock efficiency and growth through retail transformation. This is aimed at significantly reducing our current costs while continuing to increase our customer centricity.

A key part of this strategy is to capture the projected increase in electricity demand through electrification, as well as future population growth in major capital cities, as we shift the focus of our business model from being a commodity supplier to scaling energy as a service, which involves providing integrated solutions to customers across the energy supply chain. To contribute to Australia's net zero ambitions, AGL has an incredible opportunity to support our customers as they decarbonize and transition to an electrified future. With residential electricity consumption forecast to double by 2050 and a growing share of the electricity needs of residential customers being met behind the meter by customer solar and storage systems, AGL has the opportunity to capture value and transform the customer-energy relationship.

For households, this increased consumption is expected to come from the replacement and upgrade of five key assets in the home: electric vehicle charging, solar, batteries, heating, and cooling. It is clear that electrification of transport is a key requirement of Australia's path to net zero, and as policy continues to evolve to enable this, the uptake of electric vehicles is likely to accelerate quickly. Electric vehicle charging alone is expected to consume 2,000 kWh per annum per vehicle, with 80% of charging projected to happen in the home. An example of our commitment to providing products and services to help drive the uptake of electric vehicles and the electrification of transport is our recent launch of an electric vehicle subscription service, which offers customers and small businesses the opportunity to try an electric car before purchasing a new vehicle outright.

AGL has also recently revised its electric vehicle plan for customers by providing cheaper charging overnight, reflecting research over the past three years that shows that most home vehicle charging occurs overnight. We have also, over the past 12 months, helped a number of Australian businesses in their transition journey through our renewable linked products to large customers, and Damien will provide examples of our work in this area shortly. Turning now to our financial and operating performance over the year, we delivered a solid result despite challenging market conditions and heightened volatility. Although we recorded a statutory loss after tax of AUD 1.264 billion, predominantly a result of the decision to accelerate the targeted closure dates of AGL's thermal generation assets, as announced in September 2022.

Underlying EBITDA was AUD 1.361 billion, up 12% on FY 2022, and underlying net profit after tax was AUD 281 million, up 25% on FY 2022. AGL regards underlying profit as the more useful measure of company performance because it excludes significant items and the mark-to-market impact of fair value movements. In particular, we had a strong second half after a challenging start to the year due to volatile energy market conditions and forced plant outages, including the prolonged outage of Loy Yang Unit 2. In the second half, we saw a strong improvement in the availability of our generation assets, which lifted overall performance and earnings. Investment undertaken to improve flexibility at Bayswater Power Station and AGL Loy Yang also led to improvements in the efficiency of the operation of these assets.

In June this year, at our Investor Day, and as part of our FY 2023 results announcement in August, we provided guidance for our FY 2024 underlying earnings, which I'm pleased to confirm today has remained unchanged as being between AUD 1.875 billion and AUD 2.175 billion for underlying EBITDA, and between AUD 580 million and AUD 780 million for underlying profit after tax. We also announced at the Investor Day a revised dividend policy, effective from the FY 2024 interim dividend. Under the revised policy, AGL will target a payout ratio of 50%-75% of underlying profit after tax. This new range reflects our aim to provide the right balance of sustainable returns to shareholders while supporting our investment in the transformation of our generation portfolio.

The Board also remains focused on the safety and well-being of our people, acknowledging that AGL's ongoing success is dependent on the significant contribution that our people make each day. Despite there being no serious injuries to our employees or contractors in FY 2023, our total injury frequency rate increased to 2.8, up 0.7 from 2.1 in FY 2022, which was driven by an increase in low-impact injuries. The Board is overseeing a number of initiatives to ensure the safety and well-being of our people continues to be prioritized. While we are progressing our strategy, we continue to operate within a complex environment. The global and Australian economies continue to be impacted by inflationary pressures, which are increasing the costs of doing business and creating affordability challenges for our customers.

AGL continues to support and look for ways to improve the experience of our customers, particularly in the current affordability and cost of living environment, and has recently committed to a minimum of AUD 17 million towards national customer support programs over the next two years. I would also like to emphasize that while we have a clear pathway to deliver on our decarbonization ambitions, there continues to be uncertainties and external risks in relation to Australia's overall decarbonization plans. It will require the delivery of significant amounts of supporting infrastructure to support a low emissions electricity system. This will require an unprecedented level of coordination between all levels of government, regulators, networks, private businesses, and the broader community, as well as a favorable external operating environment for energy businesses and global advances in the cost of low emissions technologies.

Already, we are seeing some challenges, including delays in approvals, cost pressures, and some local opposition to new generation and transmission projects. From our perspective, we will continue to work with customers, communities, industries, and government to advocate for the coordinated decarbonization of Australia's electricity sector in a way that balances energy reliability and affordability. During the last 12 months, we had significant Board and management renewal. In January this year, the Board appointed Damien Nicks as our Managing Director and CEO, and Gary Brown as Chief Financial Officer. Following last year's AGM, we also welcomed Christine Holman, John Pollaers, Kerry Schott, and Mark Twidell as Non-executive Directors. The addition of different backgrounds, skills, and experiences to the Board has been positive, and the Board and Management team have worked well together to pursue our revised strategy. This revised strategy has reset market confidence and the outlook for AGL.

This is apparent from AGL's share price, which has increased by approximately 40% since last year's AGM. We clearly have more to do, but we are confident that we are on the right track. I would also like to make some comments on the second item on today's agenda, the Remuneration Report. The Chair of the Board's People and Performance Committee, Graham Cockcroft, will speak to the Remuneration Report in more detail shortly. Last year, the company received a first strike in relation to the 2022 Remuneration Report. I'm pleased to say that the resolution to be put to the meeting today in relation to the 2023 Remuneration Report, has received sufficient support to avoid the company receiving a second strike. Therefore, the Conditional Spill Resolution, Item 7, will not be put to the meeting today.

Finally, I'd like to say that I am excited to be on this transformation journey with AGL's people, our customers, and shareholders. Now that we have reset market and stakeholder confidence, I look forward to the next 12 months and more positive momentum as we deliver our strategy. It is now my pleasure to invite Damien Nicks, your Managing Director and CEO, to address you. Following Damien's address, we will move to the formal business of the meeting.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Good morning, I'm Damien Nicks, AGL's Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer. I'd like to welcome those joining us online today and for shareholders in Sydney. It's great to be here together on the traditional lands of the Gadigal people of the Eora nation for our Annual General Meeting. It's an honor to be addressing you today, my first time as AGL's Managing Director and CEO, and I'm excited to update you on the successful year for AGL, in which we reset market and stakeholder confidence, and advanced our strategy to connect our customers to a sustainable future and transition our energy portfolio. I'll talk more about our strategy shortly, but firstly, I'd like to take some time to reflect on the year from a safety, people, financial, and an operational perspective. Starting first with safety.

As always, the safety and the well-being of our people, and the safe and the reliable operation of our assets, is our number one priority. This year, there were no serious injuries to employees or contractors. However, our total injury frequency rate increased to 2.8, up 0.7 from 2.1 in FY 2022. This was driven by an increase in low-impact injuries. In response, we're increasing the focus on preventing common injuries before they occur and continuing to encourage employees and contractors to report all events that have the potential to cause an injury or fatality. This includes at our operational sites and our corporate sites across the country. Safety is an area where there's always more to do, and we're reinforcing our commitment to a strong health and safety culture.

In July, we launched our second Reconciliation Action Plan, which outlines our commitment to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander engagement and reconciliation, as well as our aim to have trusted relationships with the traditional owners of the lands on which we operate, and to collaborate on opportunities for employment and economic participation. From a people perspective, I'm pleased that after a period of uncertainty, we had a 10 percentage point improvement in our employee engagement score, from 57% in FY 2022 to 67% in FY 2023. An engaged workforce is critical to the company's success and the delivery of our strategy, and we'll continue to focus on driving employee engagement. Before I provide an update on our financial performance, let me acknowledge the continuing cost of living pressures impacting our customers and the community more broadly.

In June, we committed to increasing our customer support funding to at least AUD 70 million over the next two years to assist our customers to manage cost-of-living pressures. We're also continuing to work closely with our customers to help them manage their energy bills. For example, we're using advanced analytics to identify and proactively engage with our customers who may be facing financial hardship, offering them guidance and support at an early stage, as well as providing referrals to relevant government and consumer assistance programs. This is in addition to the broader range of mechanisms we already have in place to support our customers who may be experiencing financial hardship or other vulnerability.

We continuously look for ways that we can help our customers and improve customer experience, and this is reflected in our customer performance for FY 2023, in which we saw continued growth in customer services across both energy and telecommunications during a period of heightened market competition. We finished the year with an increase of 56,000 customer services from FY 2022, with a total of 4.3 million customer services.... We also maintained strong customer advocacy throughout the year, with positive Net Promoter Score of +5. I'll now move to AGL's financial and operational performance. Underlying profit after tax in FY 2023 was AUD 281 million, 25% higher than the prior year. The stronger financial result reflected improved operational performance in the second half, and higher wholesale electricity and gas pricing realized in earnings.

This was partly offset by increased operating costs and lower generation volumes due to the prolonged outage of Loy Yang A Unit 2, and the closure of the Liddell Power Station in April 2023. Our statutory loss of AUD 1.264 billion was impacted by AUD 680 million of impairment charges due to the targeted earlier closure dates of our thermal assets, in line with AGL's accelerated decarbonization plan. As announced in September 2022, and also a negative fair value movement, should I say, in financial instruments of AUD 890 million. A final dividend of AUD 0.23 per share was paid in September, bringing the total dividend for the 2023 financial year to AUD 0.31 per share, an increase of 19% on the prior year.

In June this year, at our Investor Day, and as part of our FY 2023 results announcement, we provided guidance for our FY 2024 underlying earnings, which I'm pleased to confirm today has remained unchanged and is as follows: underlying EBITDA of between AUD 1.875 billion and AUD 2.175 billion, and underlying profit after tax of between AUD 580 million and AUD 780 million. I'd now like to take some time to outline our progress in delivering our strategy.

To recap, our strategy is to connect our customers to a sustainable future, helping them to decarbonize the way they live, move, and work, as well as to transition to a lower carbon energy portfolio, underpinned by our ambition to add 12 GW of new generation and firming capacity by the end of 2035, with an interim target of 5 GW by 2030. At last year's AGM, shareholders endorsed our inaugural Climate Transition Action Plan, which we refer to as the CTAP. Key elements of which include the planned closure of the Bayswater Power Station between 2030 and 2033, and the closure of Loy Yang A Power Station by the end of FY 2035.

Since my appointment as the permanent Managing Director and CEO in January this year, it has been my focus to deliver on this strategy, and I'd now like to take a bit of time to discuss a few key milestones to show the progress we've made over the last 12 months. Firstly, I'll highlight the steps we have taken to responsibly transition our portfolio. At the end of April, we safely and respectfully closed Liddell Power Station after almost 52 years of operation. This is expected to deliver annual and average annual emissions reduction of 8 million tons of greenhouse gas emissions from FY 2024. We are now focused on rehabilitating this site, as well as pursuing development activities related to our Hunter Energy Hub, including the development of a 500 MW battery.

In September this year, we also closed our Camden Gas Plant, which we're now in the process of rehabilitating. It is anticipated that the land will be handed back in its former state in March 2025. AGL divested its interest in the Moranbah Gas Project in August 2023, and we continue to progress the sale process for the Surat Gas Project. Since the release of the CTAP, we've also announced that our Torrens Island B Power Station will close on the 30th of June, 2026. We are already repurposing the site, with the opening of our 250 MW battery at Torrens Island, which is the second largest battery in Australia. In August this year, we announced a structured transition agreement with the Victorian Government in relation to the Loy Yang A Power Station and mine.

Under this agreement, we'll work collaboratively with the Victorian Government on the closure of the Loy Yang A Power Station by 30th of June, 2035. This is consistent with the closure date outlined in the CTAP. The agreement also includes a risk-sharing mechanism to avoid an unplanned closure of the power station before the scheduled date due to adverse market conditions, and highlights our focus on ensuring a responsible transition. But transition is more than closure dates. We are passionate about our ambition to add 12 GW of new generation and firming by the end of 2035, and I'm very proud of the work the teams have achieved in progressing this ambition in just 12 months. Some key highlights include: during August, we opened the 250 MW battery at Torrens Island, which I mentioned earlier.

We're also close to commencing operations for a 50 MW battery at Broken Hill. We continue to progress the development of the 500 MW battery at Liddell, and work towards making a final decision this calendar year. In June, we entered a 15-year power purchase agreement with Tilt for almost 180 MW from the Rye Park Wind Farm. Together with Australian energy technology group, RayGen, we launched RayGen's Solar Plus Storage Plant in Carwarp, Victoria. This is the next generation, long-duration energy storage plant, and involves investment in innovative technology to potentially provide a solution for long-duration storage into the future. We are also implementing measures to facilitate the transition of the broader energy market. For example, we've invested to improve flexibility of our asset fleet.

Bayswater and Loy Yang A power stations can now be flexed down approximately 70% and 45%, respectively, of their nameplate capacities. And we have plans to lower the minimum generation levels of Loy Yang A units by a further 50 MW each in FY 2024. In addition to the gross margin benefits, this results in reduced carbon emissions and allows us to operate the assets more efficiently as a response to the transition and as renewables enter the market. This will enable the generation of wind and solar when available, while being flexible to ensure demand is met at other times. We currently have 1.1 GW of reported decentralized assets under orchestration, including our contracts with Portland and Tomago, our aluminum smelters, which have demand response mechanisms that provide flexibility to manage market demand.

Through further investment in this area, we aim to increase our decentralized assets under orchestration to 1.6 GW by the end of FY 2027. We'll also periodically review market dynamics, customer demand, and our development pipeline with a view of accelerating our decarbonization pathway where possible. Equally, we've made significant progress in our strategy to connect our customers to a sustainable future. As a leading energy retailer with a large and diversified customer base, AGL is well positioned to leverage expected increases in energy demand through electrification, access to new value pools, while driving further efficiency in its core operations. Our key achievements over the last 12 months include entering into a number of long-term agreements that have helped our large customers navigate the energy transition, but are also critical to AGL in allowing us to invest in new and existing assets.

For example, in August, we signed a nine-year agreement to continue to supply Alcoa's Portland smelter. In September, we signed a 15-year renewable energy certificate agreement with Microsoft, under which AGL will provide Microsoft with renewable energy certificates from the Rye Park Wind Farm. In October, we entered into a seven-year renewable linked power purchase agreement with CSL and a six-year power purchase agreement with nbn. These agreements show the variety of transactions and structures we offer our customers, from renewables to firmed asset linked renewable PPAs to renewable certificate sales. We've also continued to deploy new services to support the way our customers live, move, and work. For example, at our Investor Day in June, we announced our new partnership with bp pulse, which allows our customers to charge their electric vehicles at an affordable rate when they're at home or on the road.

This is in addition to our electric vehicle subscription program, which has proved to be very successful, with revenue growing by 38% since FY 2022. We piloted a new platform, Electrify Now, to allow customers to access the information and tools they need to make informed decisions about electrifying their homes and meet their own decarbonization goals. The platform, underpinned by advanced analytics, uses customers' own smart meter data to tailor recommendations based on their individual household energy needs and their usage patterns. We continue to progress initiatives in response to demand response and orchestration, such as our Peak Energy Rewards program, which is one of the largest flexible demand response programs in Australia and has been expanded to over 120,000 customers.

During FY 2023, we also commenced hot water orchestration trials that are generating interest from our customers and have the potential to provide significant flexible capacity. We're also focused on scaling our energy-as-a-service solutions, providing integrated offerings across energy solutions, asset management, orchestration, and asset financing. The Kerarbury Almond Farm in New South Wales is a great example where AGL designed a low-carbon microgrid, and once constructed, will help the customer lower the customer's energy costs, provide price certainty, and help improve their reliability and their sustainability outcomes. We're also continued to be the largest solar provider in the country, delivering three times more commercial solar capacity than the nearest competitor over FY 2023.

In summary, we are well placed to deliver on our ambition to be the partner of choice for our customers as they electrify and decarbonize the way they live, move, and work, and provide integrated end-to-end solutions. Pleasingly, during the 2023 calendar year, we have reset market confidence and the outlook for AGL, as shown by our recent share price performance. In addition to the achievements discussed earlier, factors that have led to the reset include an improved profit outlook, driven by operational performance and strengthening wholesale prices, the successful partial refinancing of our existing debt facilities, and new long-term debt in the U.S. private placement market. This included a $500 million green CapEx loan, which will be used to fund existing and future low-carbon projects.

The launch of a new brand campaign, Join the Change, in April, and you will have seen some of the material earlier when you entered the meeting. Our Investor Day, held back in June, where we provided further detail on our strategy, our growth plan, and our performance, and the continued delivery of our existing business strategy, as shown by our competitive gas agreements entered into with Cooper Energy, Senex, and ExxonMobil. I am pleased with what we have achieved this year, but I'm even more excited about the significant opportunities ahead of us to deliver on our long-term ambitions for AGL, our employees, customers, and our shareholders. We have set strategic targets for FY 2027 to align with our long-term plans, which will allow shareholders to track our performance against our strategy going forward.

Finally, I'd like to thank our people for their enormous contribution over the past year, including delivering our strategy and supporting our business and our customers. Thank you very much.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

... of the meeting. The notice of meeting sets out six items of business and one contingent item of business. As I mentioned earlier, Item 7, the Conditional Spill Resolution, will not be put to the meeting because the company did not receive a second strike in relation to the 2023 Remuneration Report. Resolutions in relation to Items 2 to 6 will be voted on and are supported by your Board. A poll will be conducted on each resolution. We will display details of the direct and proxy voting for each item of business after the discussion on that item. Votes will be counted immediately following the meeting, and the results will be notified to the ASX before the end of today and posted on the company's website. Turning now to the first item of business.

AGL published in 2023, in its 2023 annual report in August, which contains full information about the company's financial and operating performance during the year. Under the company's Constitution and the Corporations Act, there is no requirement to ask shareholders to vote to adopt the accounts. However, you may ask questions or make comments on the 2023 annual report and the management and performance of AGL. As I mentioned earlier, Harriet Fortescue from Deloitte is available to answer questions relevant to the audits. I would now like to invite questions on the 2023 annual report and the management and performance of AGL. I'll first take questions from the floor of the meeting and then written questions from the online platform and verbal questions from online.

When I call for questions from the floor of the meeting, I ask that you please announce your name and, if relevant, the name of the organization you represent. For shareholders asking questions via the online platform, please submit your questions now if you have not already done so, or please follow the instructions to join the queue to ask a verbal question. We'll now open questions to the floor first. If anyone holding a yellow or blue card, please raise your hand and a microphone will be brought to you.

Natasha Lee
Shareholder, Private Investor

Thank you. Natasha Lee, shareholder. I note that, in terms of expenses, the... Let's see, the fuel costs for electricity didn't go up very much, and, gas costs, gas purchases, decreased slightly. Now, given the discussion about costs of, inflationary costs and the increase in the fuel, the fuel imports, understanding that there was a period of, power closure at Loy Yang, the numbers sort of don't quite gel right with me. Can you give some further explanation on the makeup of those fuel costs?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

I think I'll ask our Managing Director to respond on that issue.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Thank you for the question. Look, I think when you look through the results of FY 2023, it was a year that had... It was a year of 2 halves. The first half was impacted significantly by the market volatility, which saw some significantly high wholesale prices, but it also had the impact of Loy Yang A Unit 2 out of the market for a period of time. So the results were, if you like, somewhat distorted. What you're starting to see now that is those results come back to more of a normalized level of both energy and gas costs. But what I would say is the geopolitical impacts that we saw over that period of time certainly had an impact that impacted both gas and coal through the market.

Natasha Lee
Shareholder, Private Investor

Yeah. Were you running down your stocks of, say, coal during that time? Because, my gut feeling is that, the cost probably should have been a bit higher because of those, geopolitical inflationary impacts.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

So in terms of the coal that we have, Sorry, Chair. We own the coal down in Loy Yang, so we mine that coal. That is the coal that comes straight out of the ground. In terms of Bayswater, up in New South Wales, that coal is through contracts. We hold the amount of coal that we need on hand to manage the portfolio of a generation. What we saw over that period of time, coal did also come off to some degree as the Liddell Power Station also closed.

Natasha Lee
Shareholder, Private Investor

Thank you. I've got another question about the, about the financing. You talked about U.S. placement, which I think is some $1.5 billion. Is there a, exchange rate exposure, and how are you managing the risks associated with that placement?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Yeah. The exchange rate exposure is hedged so that the risk is managed.

Natasha Lee
Shareholder, Private Investor

No, that's fine. Thank you very much.

Rambabu Mata
Shareholder, Private Investor

Sorry.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

You got a blue card. Yeah.

Rambabu Mata
Shareholder, Private Investor

Good morning, everyone. I've got a couple of questions. I'm a shareholder. My name is Rambabu Muta. The dividends we declared in financial year 2019 is AUD 1.19, and it came down to AUD 0.98 in FY 2020, and AUD 0.75, 2021, and AUD 0.26 to 2022, and now we are a little better with AUD 0.31. This is a worrying trend. That is my comment. And another one is the statutory profit and loss after the tax. Last year was AUD 860+ million positive, and this year is -AUD 1.2 billion. So, people who are dependent on dividends, I think for the last few years, we are very disappointed. That is my comment.

Second thing is, are we going to go back to the good old days of getting a dividend of AUD 1.19 in future?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

So turning first to your question on FY 2022, there was a significant market suspension during that year by AEMO, a regulatory intervention, which impacted the the results significantly and flowed through, I think, to the dividend. We can't make predictions about future dividends, but we will certainly... The determination of actual dividends is made at the time of the determining the profit for the year. But we recognize the need to provide value to our shareholders while also ensuring that we have cash flow sufficient to fund the transition, and so the Board will look closely at what is available for payment in dividends in the coming years.

Rambabu Mata
Shareholder, Private Investor

Thank you. I definitely believe that you will work hard to make it, make that happen, to make improvements into the dividend, earnings. Another thing is, the customers who are shareholders, do they have any, any benefits of being a shareholder, being a customer? Sorry, can you rephrase the question?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Yes.

Rambabu Mata
Shareholder, Private Investor

Yeah. I'm a AGL customer. I use gas and electricity of AGL. I'm also a shareholder. Does it have any benefit of being a shareholder? Do you think anything like that?

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

So there's no individual benefit of being both a shareholder and a user. But what I would suggest you do, we've got people outside this meeting who can also have a look at your account and the plan that you're on to assist with that, if that is helpful after this meeting.

Rambabu Mata
Shareholder, Private Investor

Okay. Thank you very much.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. Any more questions here?

Speaker 14

Thank you. My name is Roman. I have multiple holdings. I would like to provide a couple comments, a couple questions. Most of it about your marketing, which you're spending millions of dollars with going nowhere. But tell me, any of you guys tried to contact your call center? Any? I'm not customer of AGL. I was, but you need to spend hours to get through. What kind of service you guys providing? Now, offers. You spend millions of dollars on marketing. You can see AGL on TV, on radio, but when you try to get these offers, suddenly nobody know about them. They ask me to email them or send them the offer that I received, because they're not aware of it. What's the point to spend money for marketing product which nobody know about?

You spend, again, millions of dollars instead of reducing rates for existing customers to provide better service. Customers leaving you guys because there's no value. Origin, for example, on top of your customer, as a customer, they give you value, they give you points for Woolworths, they give you discount for fuels. You guys do not none of it. Why? As I will ask, like a previous gentleman before me, why you can't offer like other companies, discount to loyal shareholders who lost a lot of money keeping your shares? Why you cannot. Again, any other companies offering it to the customer, you bringing back your more customers and loyal customers. Paperwork. If any other companies, energy company, and you are become more green company, why anything need to be done by paper? Everything done through internet now.

Why do I need to go and print off your forms, then fill it up by hand, and then send it to you by mail, which hopefully will arrive? Why can't you do like any other company, through internet, email, something, which arrives in two seconds instead of you waiting for two weeks and then you hear, "Ah, sorry, we did not receive your paperwork?" We are at the... Everyone knows about energy costs. Huge costs. When is our share price going back to the value which it was? We, loyal shareholders, are losing a lot of money on this company because there's, again, no, somehow money is spent, not the way it's supposed to be. Our customers are leaving us. Something needs to be done about it. Again, who is your marketing director? Can I see him? Because there's a lot of, a lot of things that can be improved.

Also, you selling internet, which I don't know where you got it from, but it's overpriced and underdelivered. Even your guys at the which try to use registration have problem to use your internet. This is the company who provide internet, can't use their own server, their own product. And the last comment, you called an emergency meeting a couple years ago at ICC, then you cancel it without no nobody that you actually cancel it. I did effort to come to this meeting. There's also many shareholders just to hear, "Ah, sorry, meeting was canceled." Why you can't communicate to us shareholders what's going on? Thank you.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Well, thank you, sir, for that very comprehensive list of questions. I'll try to answer those for you. In relation to the call center, we certainly had a period of time after the recent increases in the cost of electricity, which were determined by the regulator, where our call center was under a huge amount of pressure, and the time did blow out beyond that which is acceptable, and we apologize for that. It has now come back to within appropriate and reasonable levels and meets targets. We did put on a significant number of additional call center people to assist during that period, but of course, you know, people do need to be trained in order to move to answer those calls appropriately.

We intend to ensure that we meet the standards that we have set as we move forward on the call center. In relation to advertised rates not being available, I believe they should be available. I don't understand why that not have happened. We stand behind our advertising, and we do offer those rates that are that we have advertised. So, I'm not sure how that was not able to be communicated to you, but we'll be we will have customer service representatives and executives available after the meeting, who I'm sure would be pleased to discuss that further with you. Using funds to provide better services to customers.

AGL's policy, our practice moving forward is to be customer-centric, and we intend to ensure that we are providing a suite of services to our customers and offerings to our customers, which will meet their needs into the future, particularly their needs to decarbonize and to electrify as we move forward. We think we have a fairly comprehensive and attractive suite of products now, but as we move to urgent energy as a service, we will provide even wider services to our customers so that we can meet all of their needs, that we can partner with them in their journey moving forward to a net zero future. In relation to benefits to customers, we have quite a number of benefits to customers.

There is a customer benefit scheme, and as a customer myself, I receive the emails and letting me know that I can buy running shoes at reduced prices. I can do all sorts of things that are made available if you're interested in doing that. But, you know, I think it's an interesting point that you've raised and one that we can look at to make sure that we are providing benefits to customers. We do also try to provide benefits across the scheme to customers, such as our Electrify Now website, where if you are interested in further electrifying your own home, there is a pretty comprehensive opportunity on that website to determine how best to go about it, and AGL will assist you in that journey.

So there are and there are many other offerings along those lines, which I think help the customer, and we're all about the improving the customer experience as we move forward, and that's what we're focusing on right now. The discounts to loyal shareholders, we, I think we can take that one on under consideration as we move forward. It hasn't been a program that we have adopted in the past. Paper. We certainly intend and are encouraging our customers to move to the internet for their interactions with AGL. And we now have, and I'll ask Damien for the percentage of customers who are now internet only.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Yeah, we have fully digitized mechanisms to talk to our call centers and so forth. So again, I think it's probably worth the customer services staff having a chat to you afterwards to see what happened in that instance, because everything should be able to be digitally done with those interactions.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Yeah, and we do have a significant percentage of our customer base who only interact with us via the internet. So that is the future, that's the way we're headed, and we encourage our customers-

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Yeah.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

to move to those.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

And that percentage is roughly about 54% of our customers-

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Yes.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Interacting with us just purely digitally these days.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

... In relation to the costs, we certainly understand that the cost of electricity has risen significantly, and we're very aware of the impact that that has on our customers. Damien mentioned in his speech that we have put in place an AUD 70 million program over the next two years to assist our vulnerable customers. We're using AI to identify and reach out to those customers to assist them so that they understand the government programs and assistance available to them, and the many programs that AGL has available to assist them, and Damien outlined some of those in his speech. We'll continue to do that.

We are, however, pleased to say that our customer base increased in the last year, and we continue to, through various avenues, seek out new customers to become part of the AGL customer base. The sale of internet, the move into telecom has been quite recent for AGL. It's a small percentage of the services that we offer at this time, but it's one that some customers prefer to be able to have both services, electricity and telecom, with the one service provider.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Yeah, and what I would say again, customer service is out front. We have very competitive internet rate compared to some of the major competitors out there. So again, I'd like to take that up separately if we can, because certainly we can help you there.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Damien, perhaps you might speak to the cancellation of the ICC meeting.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Ah, yes. I think you mentioned, in relation to a cancellation of a meeting at the ICC. That, I believe, if I, if I've got this correct, would be when the demerger was, originally pulled, and we did endeavor to communicate with all of our shareholders during that time, but maybe it didn't get to yourself, so apologies.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. Any other questions?

Andrew Fraser
Shareholder, Private Investor

My name is Andrew Fraser, a shareholder. My concern is about stranded assets, the aging power plants, coal-fired power plants, and I was one of those shareholders that was very disappointed when that Atlassian deal didn't go ahead, because it offered an immediate retirement of those assets and an immediate transition to renewable energy, which is what I think we need to do, because I feel that these aging power stations are simply not economic anymore, and it's no good waiting to 2035 or something. We need to retire them now, and when a great benefactor comes along and offers a deal like that, to retire them immediately, you grab it with both hands. Now, Brookfield's talking about doing something similar with Origin, but it's been stopped.

Are there any kind of moves to try and re-court Brookfield or similar, capital providers to try and negotiate a deal like that? Is there any plans to do that?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you for the question, Mr. Fraser. Let me deal first with the question of the aging power stations. It is clear that the power stations in Australia are moving towards the end of their economic lives, and we need to build and investment needs to be made to ensure that we continue to have generation available to replace those assets. That is the part of the transition, which is going to take some time.

It is a transition not only for AGL, but for the entire energy industry, and in order to ensure that we, in fact, are successful in that transition, there will need to be a concerted effort by governments, by regulators, by the energy industry, and by the business and communities, to ensure that we do, in fact, build out the renewables and firming capacity necessary to replace the coal-fired generation. At AGL, we are ensuring that we are meeting our CTAP. We are looking to deliver 5 GW in firming and renewable capacity by 2030 and 12 GW by 2035, and we are continuously monitoring the market to determine whether there is opportunity for us to accelerate those programs. We will do so wherever it is possible and appropriate to do so.

However, we do need to ensure that there is a reliable and affordable market for electricity in Australia, and we need to balance that also with the clear need for decarbonization, and in our case, the return to shareholders. We have not had any offers available to us or made to us in respect to AGL. Should that occur, the Board will consider that offer and determine whether it is in the best interests of the AGL shareholders. When we received the earlier offer from Brookfield and

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Grok.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Grok, or one of those companies, we looked at it carefully, but it was not, in the opinion of the Board, in the best interests of AGL, and we did not agree to pursue it.

Andrew Fraser
Shareholder, Private Investor

... But did you actually consider that tomorrow those assets might be worthless? Is that? Did you consider that point, that I mean, there wouldn't be any assets at all, and AGL would be nothing. I mean, that seems to be a pretty strong imperative.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Our view is that the coal-fired generation assets will remain economic until the end of their lives. But we have also entered into agreements, such as the agreement with the government in Victoria, which minimizes the risk of that asset becoming uneconomical. And we'll continue to ensure that we manage risks in relation to the economic operation of the coal-fired generation assets throughout the period until it is appropriate to close them down.

Andrew Fraser
Shareholder, Private Investor

Okay.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. Any other questions?

Ron Strauss
Shareholder, Private Investor

Yes, Madam Chair, my name is Ron Strauss. I'm a shareholder. I just wanted to know how you've sort of worked with the new recruits to the Board in the last 12 months. And have they been agitating for change at too fast a rate, or have they just settled in and now assumed the off-peak mode? So just some feedback of how you've been working with the new recruits, please.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you, Mr. Strauss. We have been pleased to welcome the new directors to the Board, and they have brought additional skills, which have been very useful in our discussions moving forward. We have been able to find common ground and to agree unanimously on the way forward for AGL. Examples of that have been the unanimous agreement to the appointment of Damien Nicks as our Managing Director. So I think that decision is one of the most important decisions any board makes, and Damien has been well-received in the market and is doing a fantastic job for AGL. We also agreed on the revised strategy, which was presented at the Investor Day this year. That strategy incorporates our desire to look for additional opportunities to accelerate the decarbonization program.

So in addition to the CTAP commitments, we are looking to accelerate where that's appropriate and where the Board considers that that is the best decision to be made for the market and for our shareholders. The Board is working very well together. I'm very happy with the level at which we operate. It's strategic, it's appropriate, and it's definitely collegiate. Any other questions?

Isaac Pang
Analyst, Australasian Centre for Corporate Responsibility

Hi, good morning. Isaac Pang here from the Australian Centre for Corporate Responsibility, ACCR. My question relates to AGL's ambition to add 12 GW of new renewable generation and firming by the end of 2035. AGL states that it is building a generation and firming portfolio to meet projected growth in electricity demand from electrification. Based on the company disclosures, your combined storage and renewables target of 12 GW will only replace up to 60% of your coal generation portfolio. How does this 2035 target enable you to maintain market share and meet demand growth? Thank you.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you for the question. Yes, we certainly intend to look to that 12 MW as a minimum. We will, as I said earlier, look for additional opportunities. That will include our program of renewables and firming capacity. It will also include PPAs, which we will enter into, and contractual arrangements. So it's not—it will not all be in relation to our build. We're looking to ensure that we can meet the needs of our customers moving forward, and we will use various means to ensure that we are able to do so.

Speaker 14

Good morning. My name is Kazim, and I'm a shareholder of quite a few years now. Both you and Mr. Nicks have talked extensively about the transition to a decarbonized company. In this process, have you used any outside consultants and any of the Big Four, who... All the revelations that said the inquiry have shown clearly that there not only was the ethical behavior beyond any acceptable standards, but also they were, that they were gouging us, the taxpayer, and the companies that they were providing services for. How do you take that into account when you're examining and looking at the tenders? I mean, so far, they've been private, but the Senate revelations have, for the first time, revealed what... the practices are and how awful they are, found to be in betrayal of the very accepted civilized standards of behavior.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Look, I think that's more an operational issue, and I'll ask Damien to respond.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Yeah, look, thank you again for the question. Look, from our perspective, we use a wide range of consultants in this organization, both locally and internationally, when we're thinking about the transition, because we wanna make sure we get the best advice we can when we're steering into this transition. In terms of the local Big Four here in Australia, we'll continue to assess each of those on the particular projects to make sure they've got, one, the right skill sets for the work they're doing. Two, they meet our requirements from both a compliance and ethical standards perspective. They're the things we assess every time that we look at various consultants coming into our organization. So we'll continue to do that, and we'll continue to assess as the market continues to move.

Speaker 14

Have either of you considered using universities? University of New South Wales has a unisearch, which looks at problems of all sorts, management as well as technical issues, with which I'm assuming that you are pretty extensively involved in. Have you considered the use of universities as experts and with their resources, research resources, and provide you with a better service than some of these private consultants whose standards have been found wanting?

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

I think, just to my answer earlier, we use a whole wide range of, of whether it be consultants or experts in this, in this market, because technology is ever evolving, whether that's in the direct technology space, whether it's in the energy transition space. We do have contacts, and we do deal with universities as well as part of this transition.

Speaker 14

Okay. The other question is about the dividend reinvestment plan. Why haven't AGL given us a discount? I mean, you're getting interest-free money to reduce your debt and everything else. And why is there no discount available for the dividend reinvestment participants? And how many shareholders are participants in the dividend reinvestment plan? And if and when they, they were participating in the dividend reinvestment, how much money was raised?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

The dividend reinvestment plan has actually been suspended. There was-

Speaker 14

I know.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

It was a very small number of people who participated in it, and the administrative costs actually outweighed the benefit to our shareholders. And so we're not, at this time, looking to reinstate that dividend reinvestment plan.

Speaker 14

What I'm saying is that you, if you do offer a discount, there may be more people wanting to participate and give you interest-free money, which is to the benefit of the company as well as to the shareholders.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you for that feedback, and we will take that into account as we consider moving forward that dividend reinvestment plan and look at it again from time to time.

Speaker 14

Okay. Thank you.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Do we have any more questions from the floor? No. Okay, fantastic. James, could you please let me know if there are any online, written, or verbal questions relevant to this item?

Operator

Yes, Chair. There are seven online questions and no one on the phone. Hang on a second. The first question comes from Ms. Kathy Skliros: Can you explain the company's thinking around the internet offering, as I do not see the likely connection as a power supplier? Thank you.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Yes, I think I've addressed this a little earlier. The telecom offering, which AGL has, is a pretty small part of our business. We looked to the adjacency of telecom as an offering to hopefully benefit our customers. We do find that customers who take up the internet offering remain with us for longer periods of time, which is a good thing for the organization. It's not going to be a huge part of our business, but we'll continue to offer that service to our customers.

Operator

The next question comes from Mr. Joga Srikanta: At the Investor Day, it was mentioned that the dividend payout ratio would be 50%-75%. Any sense what is expected to be for this financial year, and where within guidance do we currently sit, upper or lower end?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

I'm sorry, could you just repeat the last part of that question? I didn't quite catch it.

Operator

Where within guidance do we currently sit? Is it the upper or lower end?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Well, I won't be able to comment on where we sit within guidance at the moment. This is an ever-changing world in electricity and things. There's a great deal that can happen between now and the end of the financial year. In relation to the dividend, the determination as to where we sit between the 50%-75% range will be made at the time at which we understand the net profit for the year. And we'll then consider what is necessary to reinvest into the organization for the business and the transition and how much is available to pay out for dividends to our shareholders.

Operator

... The next question comes from Mr. Won Lee. Are you considering the development of AGL's own electrolyzer facility to bolster power stability using hydrogen? If you are, do you also have intentions to market or export surplus hydrogen? What are your thoughts on the viability and financial potential of producing and exporting hydrogen?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

We are currently participating in some pilot programs in relation to hydrogen on our sites, and we'll continue to do so. We do not have firm plans at this time in relation to hydrogen moving forward. There's quite a lot to be done in that area before it becomes viable, but we'll continue to participate and to work through the technologies with our partners on our sites. Do you want to add to that, Damien?

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Yeah, probably the only small addition I'd make to that, in terms of firm generation or gas generation, there is the potential to use hydrogen into peaking gas plants. We continue to look at that technology today. It's anywhere from sort of, you know, 10%-30%, but that will continue to evolve as that technology also evolves.

Operator

The next question comes from Stephen Mayne. Could the CEO please comment on the current situation with our biggest competitor, Origin Energy, which is about to be taken over by a Brookfield-led syndicate? After Brookfield bought AusNet and then tried to buy AGL, aren't there competition concerns with one foreign entity having such a large market share in the Australian energy sector? Did we raise any concerns with competition regulators about this proposed takeover, and do we hope that Australian Super votes the deal down on Thursday?

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Thank you for that question. I'll, I'll just briefly touch on... I won't touch on Origin itself. That's a, that's a question for themselves. In terms of we made a submission into that particular transaction, we simply said, as part of, you know, our submission to the ACCC, that, we, we wanted to ensure that the appropriate, guardrails and ring fencing was in place between those entities, should it proceed.

Operator

The next question comes from Mr. Tylon Yi: What is the potential long-term impacts to AGL if the proposed acquisition of Origin goes ahead?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

I think we've just answered that question really. It's a matter for the shareholders of the Origin as to whether that goes ahead or not, and the competition aspects have just been dealt with by Damien.

Operator

The next question comes from Ms. Kathy Skliros. Good morning, everyone. As an investor in AGL for quite some time, I was wondering: when do you likely see the dividend returning to a franked position?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

We currently have some tax losses, which we will continue to use within the organization. Once those tax losses are exhausted, we will then be able to move to a franked position for dividends. We can't be exact in the time frames for that.

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Yeah. Look, I would just add to that briefly. Over the next couple of years, y ou know, as those tax losses get utilized, then we'll come back to the market in terms of the amount of franking that may be available.

Operator

The last question comes from Michael Coburn of Masiera Proprietary Limited. Write-offs last year of financial instruments were over AUD 800 million, a very large amount. What are these? Are there any offsets in our revenues, and will they continue in future years, presumably both positive or negative? Is there a cash transfer as well, or is it just a book entry that we seem to be able to just shrug off?

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

I'll take that one, James, if you like. So yes, these are accounting fair value market adjustments. You'll see both the positive and the negatives that we've seen through our accounts over the last few years, particularly in the volatility in the energy markets. They are non-cash in nature, but ultimately, the changes in wholesale prices will ultimately move through our book in cash over the coming years.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. I think then we may move on. The second item of business concerns the adoption of the Remuneration Report of the company for the year ended 30th of June, 2023. The People and Performance Committee assists the Board with AGL oversight of remuneration policies. Graham Cockcroft is the Chair of that committee. Before inviting questions on the Remuneration Report, I would like to invite Graham to speak to you about AGL's remuneration policy during FY 2023.

Graham Cockroft
Non-Executive Director, AGL Energy

Thank you, Patricia. Good morning, everyone. My name is Graham Cockcroft, and I am the Chair of AGL's People and Performance Committee. As the Chair previously mentioned, at last year's AGM, 30.7% of the votes cast on the 2022 Remuneration Report were against the adoption of the report, and AGL received a first strike. This year, all major proxy advisors recommended that shareholders vote in favor of the 2023 Remuneration Report. 15%-20%, to align with other executive key management personnel and to deliver progress towards AGL's longer-term decarbonization objectives and future growth. Second, introducing operating free cash flow as a second financial metric, alongside underlying profit after tax to drive strong cash flows from the existing business, which will support future investment and growth.

Third, increasing the weighting of the carbon transition metrics on the LTI plan from 25% to 30% to enhance the focus on the commitments made to decarbonization through the, the CTAP. And fourth, refining the carbon transition metrics on the LTI plan to align with the CTAP commitments. The Board engaged with investors and proxy advisors on these refinements during FY 2023, which were generally supported. The FY 2023 remuneration outcomes are outlined in the Remuneration Report, which commences on page 66 of the 2023 annual report. The Board believes that the remuneration outcomes for executives are aligned with the experiences of shareholders during FY 2023. In January this year, Damien Nicks was appointed the permanent MD and CEO, and Gary Brown was appointed the permanent Chief Financial Officer.

The fixed remuneration for both Damien and Gary was established with reference to market benchmarks, but also reflective of their relative experience. This aligns with AGL's approach of establishing an executive's fixed remuneration initially at a level reflecting their experience, which allows progressive increases to apply as the executive performs and becomes more experienced in their role. No other executives had changes to their fixed remuneration levels during FY 2023. The short-term incentive, or STI, outcomes for executives continues to be measured against scorecards containing group and individual strategic objectives, which are established at the commencement of the financial year and comprise financial and non-financial measures. STI awards for the financial year were in the range of 72.1%-73.8% of the maximum opportunity.

The Board considered that these awards reflected the company's performance over the year and rewarded executives appropriately for delivering above-performance outcomes. I'll now move to AGL's long-term incentive for LTI plan, which is designed to align executive reward with long-term AGL performance and shareholder experience. The performance conditions for the FY 2020 LTI grant were tested in FY 2023. The relative total shareholder return and return on equity hurdles were not met, and accordingly, there was no vesting. This aligned with the shareholder experience over the performance period. This is the third consecutive year with zero vesting to executives for the LTI. I would now like to discuss the retention awards that were paid to key management personnel during the financial year.

In FY 2023, the Board determined that with the ongoing uncertainty following the withdrawal of the proposed demerger and the announcement that the previous MD and CEO would be stepping down, retention awards were considered necessary for both Damien and Markus, our Chief Operating Officer, to ensure continuity of leadership for operations and to mitigate the risks of further destabilization of the executive team. Following his appointment to the MD and CEO role, Mr. Nicks elected to forfeit his retention award in recognition of the opportunity and the increase in his remuneration provided by the new role. Mr. Brokhof's retention award was delivered 50% in cash and 50% in equity with a one-year restriction. Finally, non-executive directors - sorry, Non-executive Director fees were not increased during FY 2023. The last fee change was in January of 2020.

In summary, the Board has listened to the feedback from stakeholders regarding the 2022 Remuneration Report, and we believe we have taken appropriate action during the course of FY 2023 to address that feedback. The Board recommends that shareholders vote in favor of this resolution. Thank you. I'll hand you back to Patricia.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you, Graham. Now let's turn to questions on item two, the 2023 Remuneration Report. We'll start with questions from shareholders and proxies in the room today. If anyone holding a yellow or blue card has a question, please raise your hand and the microphone will be brought to you.

Natasha Lee
Shareholder, Private Investor

Thank you, Madam Chair. Natasha Lee, shareholder again. I see that the long-term incentives are over a three-year period, and appreciating that you haven't vested long-term incentives due to various reasons. But most companies are moving to a four-year horizon. Will the Board consider extending that to better align with longer term incentives?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Yes, we have moved the LTI to a four-year period.

Natasha Lee
Shareholder, Private Investor

That's great. I didn't see it in the report, but I did see that there was a three-year horizon. Thank you.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. Any other questions?

Speaker 14

Guys, Kazim again. I have no objections to the recommendation, but what I'd like to ask you is, there's a lot of Joe Blows and Mario Blows working at the base level. What do you do to encourage, recognize, and reward those people who make up the bulk of the work on which the bonuses are paid to the senior management? How do you encourage, recognize, and reward plenty of people right down at the base who don't get rewarded quite as well in their pay or other measures?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

So, I-

Speaker 14

Could you-

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Oh, sorry.

Speaker 14

Yeah. Could you just enlighten us on those factors, please?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Yes, in relation to the majority of our employees who work in the operational sphere, we have EBAs at each of our-

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

Absolutely. We encourage all of our employees to deliver the strategy that's in front of all of us. Their incentives are set based on where they are in the organization, what particular areas they're focusing on to deliver our strategy. So simple answer is, yes, they are entitled to it, and they are encouraged to deliver that.

Speaker 14

Okay. The other thing is, when I raised the issue of consultants, can I suggest that you put aside some part of the annual report in which you outline the number of consultants, which company, and how much money was being used? And if you have reduced your use of consultants and increasing your own organizational skills and opportunities, then if the money is not being used in use of consultants, is it being redistributed and encouraging in the growth of skills within the organization? Can we have a separate section to allow us to see who you're employing and how much money you're paying them? I mean, generally, I-

Damien Nicks
Managing Director and CEO, AGL Energy

I think that was going back to your original question on consultants. So look, why don't we take that one on notice? As I said, we use a broad, a broad range of consultants, both, the Big Four, but other consultants throughout the organization, to ensure that we are at the forefront of where technology in both the energy industry is going, but also technology from a pure technology sense as well. Let's take that one on notice.

Speaker 14

Good. Okay. But I think it'd be useful if to have a separate section to identify, so that the shareholders can get some idea of just how much money. Normally, I assume that these costs would be absorbed in management, but I think if you have a separate section, then we get a better understanding who's being employed and how much money is being used to pay them. Thank you.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Do we have any other questions on the Remuneration Report?

Julieanne Mills
Non-Executive Director, Australian Shareholders' Association

Hello, Madam Chair. It's Julieann Mills from the Australian Shareholders Association. Just a quick question, regarding the Remuneration Report, or perhaps it's a comment. The complexity of the CTAP, LTIs, would it... Is there a way that you could perhaps link them to, a more, more specific goal so that, that you could see the transition or the relationship between the LTIs and your, climate transition plan? And the other comment that we'd like to make as CSA is: Is there a way that we could also see the actual remuneration of the CEO and the KMP in your, annual reports? 'Cause you, you've produced the statutory, but we'd just like to see what the take-home is.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you for that question. So in relation to the link between the LTI and the CTAP, the LTIs are 70% shareholder experience and 30% on the CTAP. We have three areas in that LTI. There's reductions in emissions, there's renewable and firming targets, and there's green revenue. And we think that's an appropriate allocation of the CTAP and the decarbonization programs into the LTIs. We feel that that's the appropriate balance at this point.

Julieanne Mills
Non-Executive Director, Australian Shareholders' Association

Can I just... I suppose what I'm trying to say is: Is there a way that you can directly link it to your goals so that it's clearer for shareholders to see that relationship? Because I think it's just very difficult getting into all the numbers around whether they're percentages or whether they're emissions. For the average shareholder, it would just be good to see some kind of simplified graphic that explains it a little bit easier than having to get into those numeric sort of indicators.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Yeah, thank you. I think regrettably, this is a particularly complex area, but let's see what we can do on making that a bit more accessible to shareholders when they're having a look at the goals that we've set... Any further questions? If not, James, could you please let me know if there are any online written or verbal questions relevant to this item?

Operator

Yes, Chair, there are no questions online or on the phone.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. I think we may now move on. Details of the proxy and direct votes that have already been cast on this item are shown on the screen. As you will see from the proxies, the vote against our Remuneration Report is not more than 25%, which means that AGL did not receive a second strike on the report. Please place your vote for this item if you have not already done so. And now turn to the third item of business, which is the re-election of directors. In accordance with Clause 58 of the company's Constitution, Mark Bloom, Miles George, and Mark Twidell will retire from the Board with effect from the close of the meeting and now stand for re-election as Directors.

Each of Mark Bloom, Mark Twidell, and Miles George will speak to you briefly about why they are seeking your approval to continue as a Director of the company. I'll then open the meeting to questions before inviting shareholders to vote on each resolution. Mark Bloom, Miles George, and Mark Twidell each bring a range of complementary skills and experience to the Board. The Board has considered the performance and contribution that each of these directors make and is supportive of their re-election to the Board. Each of Mark Bloom, Miles George, and Mark Twidell is considered an independent director. The Board, excluding each director in relation to their own re-election, recommends shareholders vote in favor of this resolution. I'll now invite Mark Bloom to speak to you on his re-election.

Mark Bloom
Non-Executive Director, AGL Energy

Good morning. I really appreciate you joining us today and for giving me the opportunity to cover some relevant details of my career and my background. I'm an accountant by training with a CA qualification in Australia. I retired from my full-time executive career as a finance executive in April 2019. My career spanned 36 years as CFO and an executive director at top 20 listed entities in real estate and insurance and financial services. I spent 16 years at Westfield and Scentre Group after having spent 20 years in insurance and financial services with Liberty Life in South Africa and Manulife Financial in Toronto. Following the demerger from the Westfield Group, the Westfield Australia and New Zealand centres, valued at AUD 40 billion, were listed as Scentre Group as the 12th largest company on the ASX.

As CFO, I was responsible for establishing a full-spectrum finance team encompassing treasury, tax, operations, finance, compliance, risk management, financial reporting, and legal. At Scentre Group, together with the CEO, I was instrumental in driving rapid cultural change, resulting in a highly engaged and strategically focused business. I currently have three other ASX-listed entity directorships at EBOS Group, Abacus Storage King, and Pacific Smiles Group. These roles enable me to identify best practices and across industries and to apply these learnings to the benefit of AGL. I've been fortunate in my career to work for organizations which have a strong entrepreneurial culture, which has allowed me to bring my experience and business acumen to board discussions. At AGL, I am Chairman of the Audit and Risk Management Committee, and I am also a member of the Safety and Sustainability Committee.

I was also one of three non-executive directors who led the review of AGL's strategic direction last year, including overseeing AGL's Climate Transition Action Plan, which is a foundation of AGL's current strategy. AGL is in an industry which is experiencing substantial but exciting change. I am keen to be part of the Board that helps AGL navigate a path through this period of transformation. Should you provide your endorsement, then I would be very honored to continue to participate on this Board and company. Accordingly, I offer myself for re-election, and thank you for your consideration.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you, Mark. Miles George will now speak to you on his re-election.

Miles George
Non-Executive Director, AGL Energy

Good morning, all. I'd like to thank you for considering my candidacy to continue on to serve on your board. A way of background, I trained as an engineer and have spent the last 23 years working in the renewable energy generation industry in Australia and internationally. I've worked in project development, investment, operations, financing, and in general management, including... serving as the Chief Executive of Infigen Energy and CleanCo Queensland. During my career, I've also served on various-

Mark Twidell
Non-Executive Director, AGL Energy

... Thank you. I'm grateful for the opportunity to stand for re-election today for the AGL Board. I am an engineer by training, with over 30 years experience in building new markets, programs, and teams globally in the solar and storage sectors. My most recent executive experience was at Tesla, where I was leading the business in the Asia- Pacific region. Also covered the Americas, Europe, Middle East, and Africa at various times while I was at Tesla. Experience helping companies and governments in the energy transition. I served on the Board of the Australian Renewable Energy Council, Australian Renewable Energy Agency, sorry, the Commonwealth Solar Flagships Council, and with Miles as Deputy Chair of the Clean Energy Council, the Industry Association.

Since joining AGL last year, I've witnessed the whole organization's unwavering dedication and professionalism to embrace the energy transition while maintaining a customer-centric approach, with focus on safety and reliability of energy assets in today's markets. Now, great progress has been made, but there is still work ahead. Homes and workplaces are rapidly electrifying through technologies like solar, batteries, electric vehicles, and heating and cooling systems. Industrial processes are replacing carbon-intensive thermal energy, resulting in significant new electricity demand, and these changes will bring material opportunities for AGL. So along with actively contributing across the full spectrum of governance activities, I'll focus and continue to focus on two key areas that support AGL's strategy, leveraging my skills and experience to empowering millions of customers with value-optimizing services, and their behind the meter assets through digital platforms.

Distributed customer energy resources are pivotal in building the flexibility in the future energy market to balance supply and demand, and AGL is really well positioned to lead in this domain. And then secondly, navigating the deployment of solar and wind and storage capacity in what is an increasingly complex-competitive and supply-challenged world. And that includes an unrelenting focus on safety and delivering benefits to communities as our thermal power stations transition into industrial energy hubs. And finally, I just want to assure you of my absolute commitment to act independently in the best interests of all shareholders, and thank you again for this opportunity.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you, Mark. I'll now take questions on the re-election of Mark Bloom, Miles George, and Mark Twidell. Let's start with questions from shareholders and proxies in the room today. If anyone holding a yellow or blue card has a question, please raise your hand and a microphone will be brought to you.

Speaker 14

Thank you. Kazim again. I've no doubt that your CVs are pretty impressive with what you've said, and I have no reason to doubt it. But are you a contrarian thinker? And can you give me one example where you've suggested something which was opposed by the majority on the Board or any other organization that you work for, and that your ideas prevailed over a majority? Can any of, any one of you three directors seeking re-election, tell me whether you are a contrarian thinker, that you put a proposal which was opposed by other people, but in the final analysis, your persuasive powers led the Board into implementing something that you thought was positive and for the customers as well as for the company? Can any of you give me one example, please?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you for your question. I don't think it would be appropriate for any of the directors to discuss the matters which are dealt with at the Board. Suffice to say, all directors put forward their opinions and their views and suggestions on the way forward for AGL, and it's for the Board then to determine the balance, on the balance, the way forward. And we do that by forming a consensus.

Speaker 14

Well, look, I, I think we get caught up in this management speak for a long time, and I've been in the research, the university research sector for a long time, and I've found that quite often people who have spoken out in the best interest of the company and the customers have been quashed. So I think what we need, and particularly in a company like AGL, which is transitioning, there is usually some dispute or rather somewhere, and they never get out into the air so that they can be heard. And as we found in the banking industry, once I was told that if you pay peanuts, all you'll get is monkey. And as we found, there were plenty of people getting big bonuses, but were found to be no more than monkey, monkeys.

NAB is one, and CBA was another, and I think they were all found wanting. So I'm just saying, in a very broad sense, you don't have to identify any particular ideas, but the idea that you floated as a director, did that find expression?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

I can assure you that no voice is quashed at the Board. Certainly my policy as Chair is to ensure that every voice has the opportunity to be heard. In relation to specific ideas, you know, the-

Operator

... in the Boardroom, particularly after the four candidates he backed were all elected at last year's AGM. In Mark's eyes, are all the directors acting independently? And when Mike Cannon-Brookes recently publicly criticized the pace of our energy transition, what impact did that have in the Boardroom?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

It is absolutely the case that all of the directors appointed at last year's AGM are acting independently, and I can assure our shareholders that they all are acting in the best interests of the company and the shareholders. I think that's... I've described to you previously that this is a well-functioning and collegiate board.

Operator

The next question is for Mark Twidell. Could new director, Mark Twidell, and the Chair, comment on the recruitment process that led to his appointment to the Board after last year's AGM? Was a headhunter involved? Did the full board interview Mark, and did they interview any other candidates? Mark has excellent credentials in the renewables sector. Did he know any of our directors before engaging with the recruitment process, and has he had any past dealings with Mike Cannon-Brookes?

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

So Mark Twidell, as with the other, directors elected last year, were nominated by a shareholder, and it is the right of any shareholder to nominate, someone that they believe would be, appropriate to sit on the Board. The shareholders of AGL elected those four directors, and the Board then made sure that we made the Board work.

Operator

The last question is for Miles George. In 2019, Treasury Wine Estates voluntarily moved to annual elections for directors in line with best practice that occurs in both the U.S. and the U.K. Dual-listed companies like News Corp and Rio Tinto all do this, due to the laws in the U.S. and U.K., and BHP has continued doing it even after its U.K. DLC ended in 2021. Can the Chair and Miles George, one of our newest directors, comment on whether our company will follow this TWE lead and move to annual elections of directors at the 2024 AGM? Such a move would improve board accountability to shareholders and also avoid the situation where the four so-called Atlassian-backed directors are all on the same three-year election cycle.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Under the Constitution of AGL, three directors must stand for election each year. This ensures that we have continuity on the Board, that we have not constant change, and allows us then to turn our minds to the business of AGL and the transformation that we've outlined. That is common practice in Australia, and I believe it's appropriate. We have not considered changing to an annual election of directors, and I don't think that we need to do so at this time. We will be determining it. As other than Mark Bloom, all directors were elected last year, and that means that as we move forward, three directors will stand each year.

So we will not find ourselves in a situation where the four directors, supported by a shareholder last year and elected to the Board, will stand together in re-election. Any other questions, James?

Operator

No more questions.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. I think we can move on. Details of the proxy and direct votes that have been cast on Item 3 are shown on your screen, on the screen. Please place your vote for Items 3A, 3B, and 3C, if you have not already done so. And a microphone will be brought to you. No? We'll move on then. James, could you please let me know if there are any online, written, or verbal questions relevant to this item?

Operator

We have one online question and no phone calls.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. I think we can now move on.

Operator

There was one.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Oh, I'm sorry, you said one. I thought you said none. Apologies.

Operator

That's okay. We have one online question. From Mr. Stephen Mayne. When disclosing the outcome of voting on all resolutions today, including this LTI grant, could you please advise the ASX how many shareholders voted for and against each item, similar to what happens with a scheme of arrangement? This will provide a better gauge of retail shareholder sentiment on all resolutions, and was a voluntary disclosure initiative adopted by the likes of Metcash, Altium, AUI, Dexus, Webjet, Tabcorp, and Myer over the past two years. The ASX itself and Qantas both did it for the first time this season. AGL is almost 50% owned by more than 130,000 retail shareholders, but less than 5,000 of them bother to vote each year, giving outsized voting power to shareholders like Mike Cannon-Brookes.

Please disclose the turnout so we can better understand the problem of retail voting apathy in Australia.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Yes. As stated in this question, this is a voluntary decision, and there is no legal requirement for disclosure of the number of shareholders voting. We have adopted the practice of the consolidated votes of proxies and shareholders, and not disclosed the number of shareholders voting, and at this point, we would intend to continue with that practice. I might add that the retail shareholder percentage in AGL is now at around 40%. Okay, thank you. I think we can move on. Details of the proxy and direct votes that have been cast on Item 4 are as shown on the screen. Please place your vote for this item if you had not already done so. I'll now turn to the fifth item of business, which is the approval of termination benefits to relevant executives.

The Corporations Act restricts the benefits that can be given without shareholder approval to individuals who hold or held, in the previous three years, a managerial or executive office on leaving employment with AGL. AGL's group policy in relation to termination benefits and entitlements is to treat departing employees fairly, having regard to applicable laws and market practice, while balancing this with the need to avoid excessive termination payouts. Approval of shareholders is being sought so that AGL can continue to give effect to this policy while complying with the Corporations Act. The notice of meeting sets out details of the people for whom approval is being sought, why approval is being sought, and the benefits, entitlements, and entitlements for which approval is being sought. The termination benefits authorization obtained at the 2020 AGM lapses at the end of this meeting.

As such, AGL is seeking a further three-year approval, which would have effect until the conclusion of the 2026 AGM. The Board, excluding Mr. Nicks, recommends shareholders vote in favor of this resolution. I'll now take questions on Item 5, the approval of termination benefits for eligible senior executives, and let's start with questions from shareholders and proxies in the room. If you hold a yellow or blue card, please raise your hand. No? I can't see any questions on that. James, could you please let me know if there are any online, written, or verbal questions relevant to this item?

Operator

Yes, Chair, there are no questions online or on the phone.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. I think we can now move on. Details of the proxy and direct votes that have been cast on Item 5 are as shown on the screen. Please place your vote on this item if you have not already done so. I'll now turn to the sixth item of business, which is the reinsertion of proportional takeover provisions into AGL's Constitution. Clause 12 of AGL's Constitution contains proportional takeover provisions that prohibit AGL from registering a transfer of AGL shares under a proportional takeover bid, unless the bid is approved by resolution issued by shareholders in general meeting. Under the Corporations Act, proportional takeover approval provisions must be renewed every three years, or they will cease to have effect. The provisions were last approved by shareholders at the 2020 AGM for a period of three years.

If the proposed resolution is approved by shareholders, the proportional takeover provisions will be reinserted into AGL's Constitution and will have effect on exactly the same terms until the 21st of November 2026. The Board recommends shareholders vote in favor of this resolution. This is a special resolution, which means that it needs 75% of the votes to be passed. I'll now take questions on Item 6, the reinsertion of proportional takeover provisions, starting with shareholders and proxies in the room. If you have a yellow or blue card, please raise your hand. Looks like no questions on that. James, could you let me know if there are any relevant questions online or by phone?

Operator

Yes, Chair, there are no questions online or on the phone.

Patricia McKenzie
Chair, AGL Energy

Thank you. I think we can now move on. Details of the proxy and direct votes that have been cast on Item 6 are as shown on the screen. Please place your vote for this item if you've not already done so. I'll now turn to the 7th item of business, which is the Conditional Spill Resolution, which will not be put to the meeting today, given that the company did not receive a second strike in relation to the 2023 Remuneration Report. That concludes the formal items of business for today's meeting. A summary of the proxy votes I hold as nominated proxy for shareholders in relation to each resolution are shown on the screen. The polls will remain open for another 10 minutes.

Results from the poll on each resolution put to the meeting will be provided to the ASX as soon as possible today and posted on the company's website. On behalf of the Board, thank you for attending and demonstrating your interest in AGL by taking part in this meeting. I now declare the meeting closed, subject to conclusion of the poll. Thank you.

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