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Earnings Call: Q1 2025

Oct 23, 2024

Operator

Now, I'd like to hand the conference over to Mr. Bryan Quinn, Managing Director and CEO. Please go ahead.

Bryan Quinn
Managing Director and CEO, Aurelia Metals

Thanks for joining September quarterly update. Today, I'm joined with Martin Cummings, Chief Financial Officer, Andrew Graham, the Chief Technical and Business Development Officer, and Angus Wyllie, the Cobar Regional General Manager. Through the meeting, we're gonna run through the slides, so you can follow the slides that have been put out as part of the release, and we would appreciate questions at the back end of our presentation, which we'll hand over to the coordinator to set up for us. Just to start with, on slide three, I just want to call out, you know, effectively, we've had a strong cash balance that's been maintained with our operations, again, funding our growth.

And to sort of highlight some of the key points, for the quarter, it's important that obviously Peak has been continuing to deliver in line with our guidance. I'll talk to some slides soon on that. But effectively, you know, the operation has set up with a bit of a softer quarter as part of our targets, very much in line with our full-year guidance, and we're still getting some very good operational performance coming out of Peak, and that's obviously generating the cash that is actually supporting our our growth aspirations. In terms of our Federation, really exciting quarter for us. We had our first stope qualified and taken to the surface.

We also had our official opening, with supported very well by the minister's office for the Honourable Courtney Houssos, and we had council members from the region. We had community members from the consultative committees. We also had landowners and some other general managers from the region attend the session for our Federation grand opening. Really fantastic day, and really supports our focus that, you know, we have a Tier 1 jurisdiction with good support from the region, to really see us forward with our growth aspirations. We also had Dargues come to a conclusion in this last quarter. Obviously, it's been. We set out some aspirations to really safely maximize cash for Dargues. As you see from some of the results today, we've delivered against that.

We've obviously ensured that we've done the right thing with our people, and we've maximized cash as a real highlight for this quarter. And lastly, you know, the Cobar optimization scoping study has been finalized. We've been discussing that at previous quarters, giving sort of some sort of context of where we're going with that, and today, we'll discuss a bit more detail as per the release that came out today, also. All of these sort of current activities in terms of operations, projects, studies, and even, you know, closing down Dargues, has been a credit to the management team. Lots of activity going on in a small organization, but really showing that we have sort of got some stability, and we're really taking the organization forward.

I'll move on to slide four, just to talk about some of the group production and costs. As you can sort of see, some lower costs in the first quarter relative to the previous quarter. Some of these costs include Dargues costs for the last quarter. Those costs are obviously reducing, and they'll drop off going forward or be far, far less, and the All-In Sustaining Costs at AUD 2,321 very much in line with our expectations for quarter one, and obviously, we are guiding against that this year.

But effectively, our focus right now is we're transitioning our business to a base metals producer in FY 2025, and so we'll obviously keep reporting the metrics we've got on the table, and we set out the guidance above. In terms of what we've produced, very much, you know, all those metrics there, for quarter one FY 2025 are pretty much in line with our expectations, and just to do the configuration and sequencing for the rest of the year, that's very much on target for us.

In terms of slide five, in terms of the sustainability, our focus is obviously preventing injuries and protecting the environment, and it definitely remains a priority for us, as does, you know, working with the community and being a good neighbor, as does making sure the health of our people every day is to the highest standard. We've actually had some improvement in our safety performance. We're still having slips, trips, and hand injuries, and obviously, there's a big focus by management right now to really be out in the field, leading our people, really looking at controls and hazards, and sort of helping our people, coach our people to be ahead of the game and ensuring that we can prevent these from occurring.

And as you can sort of see from the environmental graph, we had a couple of environmental incidents that we reported under our recordable environmental incident frequency rate. One was to do with some substance at Dargues to do with some old workings in the top of the mine that we've actually rectified. And the second one was to do with a water leak at Federation, which was rectified and stayed on the roadway, actually inside the lease, but once again, we did report it. So nothing serious, but still, obviously, we're very focused on ensuring we can get both of these metrics in control and improve our results accordingly.

On the positive side, we've definitely seen improved reporting, quarter on quarter, as we want people to raise their awareness and report incidents, both safety, health, and environmental, and community-related incidents, so we can actually obviously put controls in place to prevent them from recurring. We had a recent survey completed by our employees, and we're really seeing also a step up in people calling out or speaking up about things in the organization, which is excellent, and where we want to see the organization go as well, so that our teams are engaged in a sustainable way, and really sort of being part of and owning our organization going forward on these various metrics and also performance. So if I move on to slide five, sorry, slide six, so Peak.

Look, in terms of where we are at, at the first quarter, we're definitely still delivering in line with our guidance. It's been a very consecutive, quarter on quarter on development performance. Looking forward, we do see that ramping up, with additional equipment and set up we've put in place, especially with some of the equipment coming from Dargues. Production drill and jumbo have been taken to Peak Mine and setting up for additional operational areas. So really, you'll sort of see that we've been consistent, which is what we want to be, and now going forward, we'll have some increased targets, and we'll be also going after that consistency at a high number as well.

All mines, like I said, a little bit softer than previous quarter, but effectively, that was part of our sequence in our mine plan, and it will definitely be moving in the right direction along with our guidance for the remaining quarters. The costs, obviously, at a cost per ton, has an impact, obviously, well, on the tons we mine, but obviously, we're okay with that based on our full year numbers as well. What I've actually put in the graph for this quarter is some information on our recoveries. Yeah, I guess it's really worth highlighting that we've really been maximizing plant recoveries quarter on quarter. That's really a big focus for our operational team at the moment.

Effectively, as we bring on Federation ore this quarter into the Peak Processing Facility, we obviously want to have our recoveries working and performing at a very high level, and so the focus has been to keep pushing all of those various commodities. These two graphs are just on lead and zinc, which are very fundamental to the ore coming from Federation. So that one little blip that you can see that we've put a box around was the quarter where we had the online analyser go down for more than 1/2 the month, and obviously that actually impacted the recoveries for that quarter. As you can sort of see, definitely some continuous improvement coming in quarter on quarter on those recoveries.

We've still got definitely a big focus on our development to get ahead of our stoping, and like I said, definitely on target for the full year guidance for our ore mining to feed our processing facility as well. I'll just move on to the next slide on Federation. Yeah, obviously, progress is continuing quite nicely, in line with de-risking our future for Federation and de-risking our volumes coming into the Peak Processing Facility. The first stope ore has actually been mined and very successful, and the mine was opened, as I said initially.

What's important about that, in terms of having really the right support from the government, both at a local, state level, and even local community members involved, it really it sort of supports our organization, that we're gonna grow in this region, and we've got the right support behind us, and it's fundamental to any organization to have that license to operate. So both those two things were a big celebration for us in this last quarter. In terms of development, obviously, that's a core value driver for us right now. Our development actually is ahead of our budget, leading into this end of this quarter and continues to be moving very, very well, as is infill drilling.

Infill drilling, obviously, is important for us to have set up platforms, to get down, drill out, to design our future stopes and sort of prepare ourselves for the future design as we progress down into the mine, being a new mine. So those two things are going well, especially after the period where we came out of, where we were rain affected in the last quarter of FY 2024. Another exciting bit of news was, we actually signed up a new three-year mining contract, with Redpath. That's been, an excellent result for us. We've had a really good partnership with them. They've basically been by our side, dealing with some of these water issues and being very proactive around helping us set up for success.

That new term and agreement is very much in line with the economics from our feasibility study, so we're very pleased that we've got a good deal and a good relationship and contract with Federation going forward, with Redpath going forward. Most of the surface works have now been completed. The ore stockpile preparation for the paste plant, the haulage road, the various dams located around the surface of Federation have been completed, and demobilization has pretty much been completed also, the phase two surface works. The water management infrastructure has been operational, been put in place to really deal with the heavy rainfalls.

There's a couple of small activities still to be done around lining of some of the dam areas, but ultimately, you know, I'd have to say we have really few risks to surface works now, and the focus is on really underground development and infill drilling to set the mine up for the future as we continue to sort of get ourselves set up for ramping up our operation for the rest of FY 2025. In terms of Dargues, like I mentioned earlier, it's a massive milestone to really have operations completed and really maximize the cash and do it safely coming to the end of Dargues.

It's a real sort of attribute that I think the team's done in a very positive way to look after the people, make sure that we've sort of either redeployed them out to the Cobar region, kept some people on care and maintenance, closure, and then obviously we've let go of the remaining people, both the contracting partners and employees, in a very positive way. And I said I was lucky enough to attend their farewell. It was very positive and very emotional by the people, but effectively, I think we've done the right thing, shutting the operation down at this point and, you know, and come home very strongly in cash, as we committed. We're ongoing with the sale of the plant and equipment.

We've had an auction recently that we'll report obviously next quarter, at the end of this quarter, on the results of that, and we're in the final throes of setting up contracts with some of the other larger bits of equipment as well. We'll report that at the end of this quarter on the results of those things and how those sales revenues will go towards, you know, paying the future bills.

And obviously the focus right now is on mine closure, so with a small Care and Maintenance team, and you know, a group of consultants working through the closure activities, really looking at how we plan that ahead and make sure that's set up for success, so we can do that over the coming years, and then ramp down that process as we come to conclusion in the next several years. But before I hand over to Andrew to talk through the optimization study, I just want to sort of reinforce one quick point. Like I said, it's exciting news. We talk about this Cobar Basin Optimization Study, the conclusions of the study, but it's also the right timing for us.

It's important to reflect that we've sort of delivered the last, you know, eighteen months of results in a consistent way in terms of the performance of operations, generating cash, preserving cash, and having a strong balance sheet. We've definitely sort of focused heavily on getting our development and our operations at Peak and Cobar, ramping down drives in a controlled way, maximizing cash, while also building Federation in a controlled way, irrespective of some of the headwinds with rainfall that were unexpected. So this sort of delivery of this project is good timing for us. We believe the organization's in the right state of mind and the right sort of control to be able to go forward with this. So we have the infrastructure to be able to leverage off this.

We have the geological prospectivity in front of us, and we've now got some great talent that we're bringing to our teams to really set us up for success in the Cobar region. So I'll hand over to Andrew, and he'll talk through maybe just touch on a bit of the exploration, and also talk about the study before handing over to Martin. Thanks, Andrew.

Andrew Graham
Chief Technical and Business Development Officer, Aurelia Metals

Thanks, Bryan. As Bryan talked about, I normally provide an exploration slide at this time. I didn't today, 'cause I wanted to really focus on that Cobar Optimization Study, which I'm sure you will do as well. But look, before we get to that, just to touch on exploration, it's been a busy quarter. Some drilling on the surface, albeit we did re-tender our surface drilling contract, which had us not drilling in the early part of the quarter. Deepcore was awarded that contract for the rest of this year, and have mobilized at the back end of the quarter. Importantly, they mobilized a rig to Nymagee, which we're drilling at the moment. I'll get to that in a little while as well.

And also a rig to Chesney to focus on infilling the Chesney East gold lens. We have kept underground drilling working throughout at Peak targeting Hercules, Kairos Deeps, Jubilee North, and New Cobar Deeps. There is information on that in the quarterly release, and we will provide results obviously once we have them together. We've also done a bunch of soil work, soils at Nymagee or Nymagee region. And it's all part of the development of the programs that we've talked about previously, stepping through those stages of exploration. Moving though to the Cobar Optimization Study, which is on slide nine of the pack for those following along.

Through the study, look, we've identified a pathway that really delivers significant additional value for shareholders, and it does so while de-risking our business and creating a real option for step change in production, so let's step through that. Recall that we previously outlined a plan where we preferentially fed Federation Mine ore to the Peak processing plant, and once the Peak processing plant was full, we restart Hera and put the rest of the lower grade ore from Federation through Hera. At the time when we released that, it was quite a change. It was from building a new plant. It was also important to have a base plan that we could finance, which we were doing at that stage. It was achievable, it was permitted, it was using plants that already existed.

But as you also know, we always thought we could do better than that, and that's why we embarked on this Cobar Basin Optimization Study. And the plan for the study was to determine what the optimum configuration was for mines and plants within that Cobar Basin. And the study identified, and a key piece quantified, significant latent capacity within the Peak processing plant. And you've got to recall, we batch feed Peak, lead zinc ore or copper ore, and the latent capacity and the constraint changes depending on what we're feeding. So when we're feeding lead zinc ore, we're constrained at the back end, so particularly in flotation. When we're feeding copper ore, we're constrained at the front end in grinding.

When we delved into that, it was a much cheaper exercise to relieve that constraint on grinding, so on copper ore. So we very quickly, through the study, moved towards how do we get more copper ore through the plant, use that latent capacity within the plant to process at a higher rate, and in doing so, allow us to process all of the Federation ore through that Peak plant as well. So the study determined that the key plant upgrades required were quite minimal. So in effect, crushing and a bit of materials handling ahead of the existing feeders and the existing SAG mill, as well as a ball mill to give us additional grinding capacity. And when we delved into it, the lowest capital, most efficient way to do that, and also very fit for purpose-...

was relocating the Dargues ball mill to Peak and installing that in a kind of a tertiary grinding capacity after the existing ball mill that we have at Peak. So with that, really a capital efficient opportunity to expand throughput, because we're using that latent capacity that already exists within the plant. And at around AUD 20 million, it's about the same capital as would be required to restart and reconfigure Hera, and get the tailings dam lift done, all those sorts of things. Okay, I mentioned, you know, it created a fair bit of value. We're saying in the range of AUD 40 million-AUD 60 million of additional value. So you can see from that, a very capital efficient project, and which really comes from using that latent capacity that already exists. The value really comes from a few things.

Certainly a higher net revenue that we get from making a lead product and a separate zinc product from the Federation ores in the Peak processing plant, rather than a bulk con that we would've made out of Hera. Importantly, we also get paid for gold and silver, which we wouldn't do in a bulk con out of Hera. And you'll recall that the Peak plant's quite unique in that it has a whole CIL plant on the back end. So we do get excellent recoveries on precious metals. The other thing is we'd be paid for copper at Peak, and particularly copper from the Federation ores, that would report to the lead concentrate. We wouldn't get paid for that copper in a bulk con out of Hera. Operating costs, substantially lower.

You know, it's quite simply, we're running one plant instead of two. So we remove all of those fixed costs associated with running Hera, and Peak's also on grid, so the power cost is substantially less than off-grid at Hera. Now, let's not forget Hera. If we expand Peak, what it does for us is create a very valuable option in the Hera processing infrastructure. And the challenge, you know, for me and for the team, is to think about, well, how do we restart Hera and feed that plant, you know, with what ores? And there's a range of alternatives. One option is backhauling Peak ore, and that relies on us being able to bring on things like Great Cobar and expanding that output.

And Nymagee, I mentioned that earlier in exploration, is very near to the Hera processing plant, and certainly having that processing infrastructure gives us a much better chance if we're able to prove up resource at Nymagee to bring that through a processing plant. Got a very prospective regional package, which we've talked about a lot in the past, and certainly any discovery is made much more valuable by having processing infrastructure, and we'd also consider third party feeds. One thing which is in the release is the study also identified a compelling opportunity to improve stope performance through process water management changes. And we're looking to move ahead with that very quickly. So on next steps, certainly be assured that work is up and going. We haven't waited for this release to progress those things.

There's a tender process, which is nearing its finish on getting engineering support to take us to that next stage of study. We're also and the critical path to expanding throughput at Peak is around permitting, and the study work required to support any permit changes is certainly very active at the moment. We'll keep you abreast as things progress on that over the quarters to come. Overall, the study is a real credit to the technical team. They've thought about the business differently, challenged the status quo, and really delivered a path that enhances value to shareholders. So we're certainly pleased with where we've landed. Passing over to Martin, who has the other strength, I suppose, our balance sheet. All yours, Martin.

Martin Cummings
CFO, Aurelia Metals

Thanks, Andrew. So turning to slide 10, and as we've already said, it's really pleasing that our operations have again maintained our strong balance sheet position. Our total cash on hand remains above AUD 100 million, as you can see, AUD 103.2 million, and Peak and Dargues together generated AUD 24 million, which more than funded our investments in Federation and exploration. Peak continued to be a reliable cash generator, with AUD 16.7 million achieved this quarter, and our focus does continue on lowering unit costs. But that said, the lower ore tons mined this quarter resulted in a higher unit rate. I will point out, though, that actual dollar spend was around AUD 2.6 million lower this quarter. Part of our journey in getting those costs down is increasing our productivities in the mine.

Those that follow our LinkedIn page, you may have seen earlier this month that we are investing in two new trucks, which will take out two old hired trucks at Peak and contribute to higher availability and lower operating costs. The first of those trucks is now working at Peak, and the second one is on its way, and that's an investment of around AUD 4 million, which we did include in our FY 2025 sustaining capital guidance, and they will be funded via equipment leases. Dargues contributed AUD 7.3 million in cash flow with only two months of operation, and as mentioned, all concentrate's now being shipped, and we'll look to finalize all of those shipments in the December quarter. It was a very pleasing finish to Dargues as the site team transitioned from operating to closure activities in a very controlled manner.

Included in this cash result is around AUD 3 million in payments relating to redundancies and the retention programs that we implemented earlier in the year. We are well-placed now with a small team to manage the work at Dargues, and we did guide AUD 3 million-AUD 5 million this year, with around AUD 300,000 spent this quarter. Just to remind you that closure activities will continue at Dargues into FY 2026. As Bryan mentioned, it was a very busy quarter at Federation, with the recommencement of the development after the water delays, the official opening, firing our first stope, and finalizing the contract with Redpath. Our total spend of AUD 17.9 million is on track and in line with our guidance of AUD 70 million-AUD 80 million for the year.

As Andrew mentioned, a bit of a quieter spend-wise, quarter for exploration, as the team finalized the new drilling contracts and their plans for the remainder of the year. In the corporate tax and other movement, we did receive an AUD 3.8 million tax refund relating to our FY 2023 tax return that we amended. So that was, that was well received. And the other item I'll just talk to is in the financing cash flows. So we have fully utilized our performance bond facility with Trafigura. That was an AUD 65 million facility, and during the quarter, we were required to lodge an increase of AUD 10.4 million in our performance bond relating to Peak. So we have lodged that performance bond, and we have backed it fully with cash.

So that cash is sitting in a term deposit earning interest, and I'm currently working through options through a larger performance bond facility so that we can get that cash returned to us. So it's just adjusting for that. We would've finished the quarter at around AUD 114 million of cash before that before the lodgement of that restricted cash. Just finally, you will have noted we did add some hedging to our book, and this was for FY 2026, and the prices that we've locked in are over a modest proportion of our revenue, but do provide further strength to our balance sheet as we transition Federation to commercial production, and we work through organic growth options with the Peak Expansion and Great Cobar.

If you want more detail on the splits by year, it's in the accompanying release in terms of the volumes and price per year. So thanks for your time today. I'll hand the call back to Bryan.

Bryan Quinn
Managing Director and CEO, Aurelia Metals

Thanks, Martin. Just to wrap up in terms of the focus areas for Aurelia going forward. So obviously, we are very focused on safely delivering our operating performance, our projects, and our operations to really strive to filling our mills with quality ore. That's still very much on track and a focus of the team. With the current operations, with the ramp up at Peak, both South and North Mine, you know, really focusing on how to make sure we maximize the volume and reduce our unit costs. And with Federation ramp up to commercial production, very much a key focus this 12 months. We're on budget, we're on schedule still for the end of this financial year to deliver this ramp up to commercial production.

So it's really about doing that, and doing that well, and I have all the confidence that the team has all the right people and processes in place to make that happen. In terms of maximizing cash generation for the rest of this financial year and beyond, really it's about delivering our volumes consistently, reliably, in line with our guidance and also our costs. There's a lot of work going on in the cost space, as Martin mentioned, around new equipment coming in to replace some higher cost equipment. There's also a focus on using some of the Dargues equipment to basically prop up some of the equipment which needs some maintenance.

And we're still very much on track to targeting towards AUD 100 a ton for mining, and less than AUD 50 a ton for processing, with all the initiatives and sort of improvements we're working on. We do have a BOI process in place at Peak Mine and at Federation Mine, and effectively, that's gonna generate significant cash for us to actually help us deliver against our cost targets and our both across processing and the mine operations. As Andrew highlighted, there's a lot of work going on in terms of progressing our studies.

As you've heard today, for the Peak Expansion, there's very much a large focus on how do we get that set up, get the project finalized, and get it to FID this financial year, and also how to get the Great Cobar study finalized into FID this financial year. Both of those projects and studies will really be the next chapter for Aurelia to work on filling our mills with quality ore at low cost and good cash flow benefits to the shareholders and stakeholders. Supporting the growth is obviously fundamental. We know we have the infrastructure, and we know we can expand it, and we know we have the geology, and we know we can find it with the right amount of drilling.

Obviously, supporting that is actually having the right talent in the Cobar region supporting us, and that's obviously something we're working very actively on right now, revising our people strategies, looking at how we can bring and attract these really, really capable and talented people from the industry to come and work with us. So far, I have to say, the last 12 months, we've had some really good success bringing in the right people, and I can only see upside from here on in with people coming to work with us as we continue to be successful and growing. Last but not least, our exploration is super important as Andrew touched on. It's sort of the feed for us to look at our organic growth options.

And really, if you think about now that we have, if this study moves in the right direction and the expansion happens with Peak, we've basically created an opportunity for over 1.5 million tons of capacity in the Cobar region for Aurelia, and that's gonna be fundamental to us to then look at how do we make sure we fill that capacity with our geology or with other third-party options or operational improvements. So really, we've got our focus areas in the right order, and we believe it's gonna generate significant value for our shareholders going forward. And so I guess we believe that the current plan is working and moving in the right direction.

I might hand it back to the coordinator to take some questions for us, and then I'll conclude after that. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question comes from Daniel Roden, from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Daniel Roden
Equity Research Associate, Jefferies

Thank you. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to first off, just clarify with the Great Cobar Optimization Study, just the timing of, I guess, the plans to upgrade inside of that NPV. Is that an FY 2026-FY 2027 kind of upgrade?

Bryan Quinn
Managing Director and CEO, Aurelia Metals

Andrew, would you like to answer that one?

Andrew Graham
Chief Technical and Business Development Officer, Aurelia Metals

Yeah, hi, Dan. Just, yeah, the intent is we'll be working on that through the back end of FY 2025, and implementing in FY 2026, on all our schedules as Federation ramps up. Obviously, we've got a bit of capacity in Peak at the moment. We'll use that for Federation all, but as it ramps up, we will be able to keep pace, with the ramp-up of Federation. We've obviously got the ability to restart Hera as an option if we really need it to. So, for example, if there was a, an unexpected delay in permitting or some issue in permitting, for example. But at this stage, the plan is to achieve that in parallel and be able to move, to the expansion to fit with the ramp-up of Federation.

Daniel Roden
Equity Research Associate, Jefferies

Yeah, perfect. And those permits, they're currently restricted to two hundred thousand ton per annum. You know, what's the... Like, I think your conversations last quarter and before that were taking that up to the six hundred thousand ton per annum. Is there any scope to increase that beyond? And are those conversations part of the existing application to change that permitting?

Andrew Graham
Chief Technical and Business Development Officer, Aurelia Metals

Yeah. So there's two elements of permitting that we'd need to work through. So the first one, you quite rightly mentioned, is taking that 200,000 tons per year of trucking to 600,000 tons or whatever Federation can do. That's well advanced and is in with the government at this stage. We expect to get that early next calendar year. At this stage, you know, we've limited our request to that 600,000 tons. There's always scope to change that in future if we saw the ability to do that. But at some point you've got to say, "Well, what am I trying to permit?" And just get it permitted. The other piece that we talked about on permitting is throughput at Peak. So we are limited currently on what we can put through there.

And we would then seek to extend that to that kind of 1.1 million ton per annum-1.2 million ton per annum . We don't see that as being an issue. We're not having any impact environmentally. Obviously, it's slightly higher intensity and that we'd be putting more through, but it fits within the permitted tailings dam use of the water that we're already permitted to use. So, we don't see any real issue on that front.

Daniel Roden
Equity Research Associate, Jefferies

Okay, and maybe just one last one on the study. But you know, the study kind of loosely touches on the Nymagee and Great Cobar as part of that. I just wanted to clarify, you know, given the... If there was an increase in mill throughput, that would obviously bring forward the need for Great Cobar and potentially Nymagee to be part of that kind of blended feed profile. Is the study in its current form, does that include Nymagee and Great Cobar, or are those kind of additional upsides to the, I guess, the MPP and the valuation of that project?

Andrew Graham
Chief Technical and Business Development Officer, Aurelia Metals

Yeah. So there's already previously been a study on Great Cobar. We're very active at the moment in the process of refreshing that study to be able to then go to a proper final investment decision early next calendar year to then commence development towards Great Cobar. At the moment, that timing fits well with our ability to feed additional Peak material first and then move to Great Cobar material, which would then be fed through that expanded Peak processing plant. Nymagee is different, so we haven't factored that into our plans. And we've talked about previously the need to prove up an additional resource at Nymagee, which is why we're very active at the moment drilling. And the thought or the hope would be that, you know, it's only a couple of K's from the Hera plant.

If you had that Hera plant available, it would make infinite sense to be able to put that through the Hera processing plant, but that's upside to the kind of numbers we talked about today.

Daniel Roden
Equity Research Associate, Jefferies

That's perfect. Now, thank you very much. I might pass it on and circle back if I'm with the time. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone. Your next question comes from Adam Baker, from Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Adam Baker
Research Analyst, Macquarie

Hey, morning, guys. Thanks for the update on the Cobar Basin. Just wondering how you're thinking about the Hera project now, given that it's the least preferred option to restart it. How are you thinking in the context of realizing value for that asset, whether it's a sale or, you know, you mentioned it, switching it back on, if need be. Just wondering through your thinking there. Thanks.

Bryan Quinn
Managing Director and CEO, Aurelia Metals

Yeah, look, I think. Thanks, Adam, for the question. At this stage, we'll continue to keep it on care and maintenance, obviously, at a minimal cost. We've had it down since basically April last year, so it's not like it's been down for too long in care and maintenance.

And like I said, we'll get more results in FY 2025 from our drilling campaigns to understand what that option looks like. But at the moment, we'll retain it as part of our portfolio and look at how we can utilize that capacity going forward, whether it's with our ore that we establish and find, and can make viable from our portfolio of growth options, or we'll, you know, talk to third parties about, you know, some sort of tolling option in the future as well, if it makes sense. So definitely we'll retain that option for ourselves. It gives us growth beyond Peak, obviously, beyond the Peak Processing Facility, and it gives us an opportunity to really go after the next phase of growth beyond what's on the table now.

Adam Baker
Research Analyst, Macquarie

If the right sort of offer came along for it, would that be something you'd consider?

Bryan Quinn
Managing Director and CEO, Aurelia Metals

I guess that would be a commercial decision at the time. I couldn't answer that question right now, but like I said, at the moment, we are factoring into our how do we fill our mills and grow to beyond the current Peak Expansion, and look at 1.5 million tons of capacity. As you would be aware, we're spending a lot of time and a lot of money on drilling in that region, especially down in the Federation-Nymagee region. You know, the results, we've sort of seen some increases in our resource base, and we're going actively after that resource this year with our aggressive drilling program. I think we would always want to see what we have first before we give any commercial outcome.

But like I said, I would wait to see what that commercial option was first before making that decision.

Adam Baker
Research Analyst, Macquarie

Okay, great. Thanks. And on Peak and the increasing capacity from 800 tons per annum to 1.1 million tons per annum to 1.2 million tons per annum, can you just remind me, the water license that you currently got, what can that support, capacity up to?

Andrew Graham
Chief Technical and Business Development Officer, Aurelia Metals

I might grab that one, Adam. I think, so at the moment, there's two sources of water for Peak particularly. One is water that comes from the pipeline, which goes from Nyngan across to Cobar. We've got an allowance of about 1.2 gigaliters from that pipe, of which we see about 1/2 of that, with losses and all the other things that go on. That though, coupled with, you know, about 200 megaliters from underground dewatering, it is sufficient for what we have today going through the plant and would support us at that kind of 800 megaliters level.

We do have a water access license to groundwater up to 800 megaliters per annum, and we do have an intention to dewater Great Cobar, particularly, as part of getting across that of mine, but also it's a really good source of water on the lease. So from a water point of view, we've got more than enough for the expansion under our existing water access licenses.

Adam Baker
Research Analyst, Macquarie

Okay. So, so you wouldn't be increasing capacity coming in from the pipe. It's just drawing down additional capacity from your underground water sources that you've got in place. Is that right?

Andrew Graham
Chief Technical and Business Development Officer, Aurelia Metals

Yeah, that's certainly our intention. And beyond Great Cobar, there's plenty of water underground in New Occidental as well, and the old workings there. So there's substantial in-ground water within mine workings, as opposed to bores and aquifers and those sorts of things. And our intent would be to tap those, which is why I say there's really no environmental impact beyond, you know, the footprint that we've already created there.

Adam Baker
Research Analyst, Macquarie

Got it. Thanks. And one last quick one for me. Just the timing on the Great Cobar Study, please.

Bryan Quinn
Managing Director and CEO, Aurelia Metals

Yeah. Currently, that plan is... We're taking that to the board this financial year. You know, hopefully, the last quarter of this year, we'll have some outcomes to share with the market on that, on the FID outcomes.

Adam Baker
Research Analyst, Macquarie

Thanks, guys. Awsome .

Bryan Quinn
Managing Director and CEO, Aurelia Metals

Thanks, Adam.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone. Your next question comes from Ashley Chan, private investor. Please go ahead.

Ashley Chan
CEO, Frank Capital LLC

Hi, guys. Can you hear me?

Bryan Quinn
Managing Director and CEO, Aurelia Metals

Yes, we can. Thanks, Ashley.

Ashley Chan
CEO, Frank Capital LLC

Excellent. Thanks. I'm just a small retail shareholder with about four hundred thousand shares. Just thank you. Thanks very much for your presentation on the operational and geological and optimization study. That was really appreciated. Got no qualms with that. Just I've got a question in regards to hedging gold sales: firstly, why? And secondly, what has been the cost of hedging, compared between the hedge price and the spot price for full year 2024 and first quarter 2025?

Martin Cummings
CFO, Aurelia Metals

Hi, Ashley. Martin here. The why is really about you know, managing our business. So, we're certainly enjoying the higher prices right now, but we don't want our future, you know, to be beholden to needing, you know, this price environment to continue. So, you know, I treat this hedging as buying a bit of revenue insurance, and I'm you know, maintaining modest levels of that insurance to protect the balance sheet and to lock in some of that back. Now, as you can see, our all-in sustaining cost is well below current gold price, and therefore I'm locking in that margin on those ounces.

That is the why, because there's, you know, to be honest, a bigger prize here in terms of, you know, the organic options that we can unlock with a robust balance sheet. In terms of cost, you can see, I guess, the cost of it, I haven't got the specific number on me, but the realized prices that we're reporting through our quarterly reports is net of those hedge settlements that are, that, you know, as you've pointed out, are negative at the moment. As I say, they are, you know, prudent hedging and part of our overall capital management plan.

Ashley Chan
CEO, Frank Capital LLC

Oh, thanks, actually. Yeah, so if I look at the first quarter, September quarter's based hedging, based on what's on the March quarterly report, you sort of had a hedge price of, say, AUD 3,080, and the average gold price for the quarter is AUD 3,730, so a differential of AUD 650. So the amount hedged on the 7,000 ounces or so, just under, would be about AUD 4.5 million. And then looking forward, you have hedging on 14,000 ounces with a differential of AUD 550, so that's about AUD 7.5 million. So we're talking about AUD 12 million per year.

So the revenue forgone or the cost of hedging is AUD 12 million a year, and if you look over 10 years, that'll be AUD 120 million or a third of the market cap. Would out-of-the-money put options be cheaper? What's the board policy, and is that sort of cost of hedging in alignment with board policy?

Martin Cummings
CFO, Aurelia Metals

I'd like to not refer to this as the cost of hedging, because when we hedge, we don't have the benefit of hindsight that we do now. The difference is, and of course, you've sort of quoted a 10-year period. We have a hedge book that was originally over 12 months, and we've now extended out to 21 months. So, you know, back when we hedged those, they were, you know, very attractive prices and lock in our margins, so we do it over a modest portion of our production. So our policy, you know, we wouldn't hedge above 50%, you know, in a 12-month period. So I do wanna maintain exposure to those gold prices over the longer term, but obviously we have capital intensity in the near term, and we wanna protect, you know, from that.

So I won't do the extrapolations that you've done. Yes, those adjustments that you talk about in terms of hedge realizations of the AUD 7 million and the AUD 4 million are about right for those periods, but I'd also like to bring in the benefit that we got on the unhedged ounces over that period, too, which is well above those amounts.

Ashley Chan
CEO, Frank Capital LLC

Okay, thanks. So then back to the question, the second part of the question was, what is this a management policy or is it a board policy? And what if it's a board policy, what is the actual board policy on hedging, and would out-of-the-money put options have been considered or have been rejected?

Martin Cummings
CFO, Aurelia Metals

Out-of-the-money put options are considered, as are collars. Typically, the way and I assume you're familiar with the concept of the zero-cost collar?

Yes.

Yes, they have been, at times, favorable in terms of the upside opportunity versus the downside protection. But the way the forward price has been, you know, in contango at the moment, you know, I've preferred to use forwards over a smaller proportion of production, to lock in that certainty versus going into other, you know, derivative style products. In terms of policy, we have a policy that allows us to hedge. Each time we hedge, it's an individual, you know, a specific decision of the board, so it's not a mandate that we will always hedge. As management, we will make a decision on what levels of protection we wanna put in terms of balance sheet protection. We'll put a recommendation to the board.

The board will consider that and approve or reject, and that is our process at the moment. So it's not a mandated program where we have to do it.

Ashley Chan
CEO, Frank Capital LLC

Okay. So, just the last question on it, sorry for emphasizing that point, is

Martin Cummings
CFO, Aurelia Metals

That's all right.

Ashley Chan
CEO, Frank Capital LLC

So are you wishing to signal to the market then that you're hedging, you're partially hedging your gold production, not fully leveraged through the rising gold price as your strategy, or is it just something that's an interim measure to cover the ramp-up of Federation?

Martin Cummings
CFO, Aurelia Metals

It's definitely the latter. So we are able to lock in a fantastic price at the moment to deliver on our growth projects and the upside that you see. So, you know, the Peak optimize- or the Peak throughput expansion, Great Cobar and bringing Federation online, are significant value contributors to that. We don't want the balance sheet dictating that strategy through that period. We have a strong balance sheet. We wanna maintain it. We think our balance sheet's you know, as strong or stronger than most of our peers, and we wanna protect that. Buying a little bit of revenue insurance is a prudent approach in that context.

Ashley Chan
CEO, Frank Capital LLC

All right. Thanks. Thanks, Martin. Much appreciated.

Martin Cummings
CFO, Aurelia Metals

Bye-bye.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. Quinn for closing remarks.

Bryan Quinn
Managing Director and CEO, Aurelia Metals

Thanks, Darcy, and thanks for the questions online today. But just to close out, as I reiterated before, the focus this year is really to ensure we safely can work along the lines of our strategy, which is really to work on filling our mills with the right quality ores. To do that, obviously, the Federation ramp-up is fundamental and well and truly on track to get to commercial production by the end of this year. We're gonna continue to maximizing cash flow. You've seen us do that through Dargues, in the closure of Dargues, and obviously now we're very much focused with the assistance of Angus and the team in the region, to do that through volumes and at the right lower cost.

You've heard today around our focus on our project and studies progress that Andrew talked about, and there's a bunch of work on this year really to get to that. So the FID stage for both the expansion of and also the Great Cobar FID later in this year. You've also heard that, you know, obviously, people are our sort of pillar of success for us here, and we're working very much to attract and retain people to our growing business, and that's ongoing. And we've got a lot of work underway, planning, and to get our exploration basically as it was running four to five rigs to really unlock our growth options.

As I said earlier, this is the sort of fifth or sixth quarterly update where we've been able to show consistent results, and we're gonna have, obviously, ups and downs along the journey, but the team we have in place really believes that we're on the right path to set us up for success, and hence, all these various activities we talked about today really sort of put us in the right direction to get there, where we can sort of grow our business organically with what we have before we look over the fence. So I wanna thank everyone for dialing in today, and thanks for the questions, and we look forward to presenting next quarter. Thanks, Darcy.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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