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Earnings Call: H1 2023

Feb 9, 2023

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for staying by and welcome to the Charter Hall Long WALE REIT 2023 half year results briefing. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question answer session. At which time, if you wish to queue for a question, you will need to press star followed by one and then one again on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced. Please note that this conference is being recorded today, Tuesday, ninth of February, 2023. I will now like to hand the conference over to your host today, Mr. Avi Anger, Fund Manager. Thank you, sir. Please go ahead.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Charter Hall Long WALE REIT results presentation for the first half FY 2023. Presenting with me today is Scott Martin, Head of Long WALE REIT Finance. I would like to commence today's presentation with an acknowledgement of country. Charter Hall is proud to work with our customers and communities to invest in, develop, and manage properties on land across Australia. We pay our respects to the traditional owners, their elders past, present, and emerging, and recognize their continuing culture and contribution to this country. The format for today's presentation is that I will start with an overview of CLW and key highlights for the period. You will then hear from Scott, who will provide an overview of the financial performance of the REIT. I will then return to provide an operational update and portfolio overview and provide guidance update for FY 2023.

We will then offer the opportunity for questions. Turning now to slide five. Today, CLW has a best-in-class AUD 7.2 billion diversified real estate portfolio consisting of 550 properties with a very long dated average lease term of 11.8 years. 53% of the income of the REIT comes from triple net lease properties. This is an important feature of our portfolio, given that under a triple net lease structure, the tenant is responsible for all outgoings, maintenance, and capital expenditure. In addition, 79% of our portfolio is located in markets on the eastern seaboard of Australia. These factors enhance the security and continuity of income of CLW. Turning to slide six. Our portfolio continues to be diversified by tenant, industry, geography, and property type, which contributes to the stability of our cash flow.

CLW has a high-quality income stream generated from blue-chip tenants with 99% of the tenants of the REIT consisting of government, ASX-listed, multinational or national businesses. Our largest tenants are Government, Telstra, bp, and Endeavour Group. Our properties were leased to 84 tenants across Australia and New Zealand and diversified across Long WALE retail, office, industrial, social infrastructure, and agri-logistics sectors. All the leases in our portfolio have annual rent increases, providing strong year-on-year income growth. This consists of a mix of fixed and CPI-linked annual increases. Our income growth benefits from increases in inflation, with 50% of the rent increases across our portfolio linked to CPI. This is particularly attractive in the current inflation environment, with a weighted average increase in income across our CPI-linked leases of 7.2% in FY 2023.

The average fixed increase across our portfolio was a high 3.1%. Turning now to slide seven and key highlights for the period. I'm pleased to report that we achieved strong operating performance over the half year, delivering operating EPS of AUD 0.14 per security, and we are on track to deliver FY 2023 operating EPS guidance of AUD 0.28. Our NTA at 31 December 2022 is AUD 6.23 per security, up 1% from AUD 6.17 at 30 June 2022. Over the period, we delivered AUD 65 million of net valuation uplift for our investors, demonstrating the quality and resilience of the portfolio. The valuation uplift was predominantly driven by Metcash Canning Vale following finalization of the lease extension at that property and our Endeavour-leased pub and bp Australia portfolios as a result of these properties' uncapped CPI-linked rent reviews.

CLW has a Long WALE of 11.8 years, providing security and continuity of income to our investors. 50% of lease rent reviews are CPI-linked with 7.2% weighted average increase in FY 2023. 53% of income of CLW is from triple net leases, and we remain focused on prudent capital management, with 74% of drawn debt being hedged with a weighted average hedge maturity of 2.6 years. Balance sheet gearing is 30.2% within our target gearing range of 25%-35%, and CLW has a weighted average debt maturity of five years. Turning now to slide eight on environmental, social, and corporate governance. We remain focused on implementing sustainability initiatives across our portfolio and consider ESG as a driver of long-term value for our investor and tenant customers. As a business, we've taken accelerated climate action.

CLW has participated in Charter Hall's Renewable Power Purchase Agreement, which secures 100% grid-supplied electricity sourced from renewable sources for CLW's office properties under our operational control. Additionally, CLW has 1.8 MW of solar installed across its portfolio, with future projects totaling 5.4 MW at CLW's Canning Vale and Huntingwood assets. CLW's predominantly modern office portfolio features high environmental credentials, including 4.9-star NABERS energy and five-star NABERS water ratings. CLW remains committed to aligning with best practice frameworks to support transparency and disclosure. The fund achieved a score of 79 in the 2022 GRESB assessment, an increase of seven points compared to the prior period, evidence of our commitment to continuous improvement. I would now like to hand over to Scott, who will provide an overview of the financial performance of the REIT.

Scott Martin
Head of Long WALE REIT Finance, Charter Hall

Thank you, Avi. Good morning, everyone. The REIT's key financial metrics for the FY 2023 half year are set out on slide 10. As Avi has just touched on, the REIT delivered operating earnings of AUD 101.2 million, a 3.5% increase compared to the prior corresponding period. NTA per security at 31 December 2022 was AUD 6.23, representing a 1% increase over the 30 June NTA of AUD 6.17 per security. The REIT's gearing metrics have remained stable during the current reporting period. I will cover these in more detail later in my presentation. Turning to slide 11, which provides a summary of the REIT's earnings for the FY 2023 half year.

Net property income has increased by 16.9% compared to the prior corresponding period, and has been driven by a combination of like-for-like rental growth of 4.1% from the stabilized portfolio together with net acquisition activity. The increase in operating expenses has been driven by portfolio growth and new acquisitions, and finance costs have also increased period on period, predominantly driven by an increase in floating interest rates. Both operating earnings per security and distributions per security for the period were AUD 0.14 per security, in line with our guidance released to the market. Turning to slide 12 and the REIT's balance sheet position at 31 December 2022. The AUD 0.1 billion increase in total assets has been predominantly driven by AUD 105 million of property acquisitions during the year and AUD 65 million of property revaluation gains.

These were offset by AUD 112 million of property divestments which were sold at their prevailing book value. NTA is increased by 1% from AUD 6.17 per security at 30 June 2022 to AUD 6.23 per security at 31 December 2022, driven by the AUD 65 million of property revaluations. Turning to slide 13, which provides a summary of the REIT's capital management initiatives. Balance sheet gearing was 30.2%, which remains within the REIT's target gearing range of 25%-35%, and look-through gearing was 37.3%. During the current reporting period, the REIT refinanced and extended the syndicated debt facility for the bp Australia portfolio by four years.

The REIT has total facilities calculated on a look-through basis of AUD 3.1 billion, which were drawn to AUD 2.8 billion as at 31 December 2022. The REIT has a weighted average debt maturity of five years and a weighted average cost of debt of 3.2%. The REIT has 35% of debt sourced from capital markets long-term issuances, and 65% from foreign and domestic banks with staggered maturities over a nine-year period from FY 2024-FY 2032. During the current reporting period, the REIT took out a further AUD 650 million of hedging, which has increased the level of hedging to AUD 2.1 billion as at 31 December 2022, which re-represents a hedge position of 74% with a weighted average hedge maturity of 2.6 years.

I will now hand back to Avi to provide an operational update and portfolio overview.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Thank you, Scott. Turning now to slide 15 and recent portfolio transaction activity highlights. During the period, we undertook some portfolio curation, divesting some short WALE properties at book value and investing in new high-quality investments. The divestments consisted two of short WALE industrial facilities at prevailing book values. The Woolworths distribution center at Hoppers Crossing was sold for AUD 74 million, reflecting a 4.5% cap rate. The property had a three-year lease term remaining at the time of settlement in December 2022. The Toll Altona North property was sold for AUD 38.3 million, reflecting a 4.75% cap rate. The property had a 2.9-year lease term remaining at the time of settlement in December 2022. These sales provide support for our book values, and the sale proceeds were recycled into new portfolio-enhancing Long WALE investments.

These investments were a 25% interest in the Geoscience Australia headquarters in Canberra for AUD 91 million. The property is a life sciences complex comprising office, specialized laboratory storage, and warehousing. The property was acquired in October 2022 and featured a 9.6-year WALE with 3% fixed annual rent reviews, and the yield at acquisition was an attractive 7.4%. We also further extended our relationship with Endeavour Group, acquiring two Endeavour Group leased pubs, the Emu Hotel in South Australia, the Horse & Jockey in Queensland. Both pubs are leased to Endeavour Group with new 15-year triple net leases with uncapped CPI increases. The total combined acquisition price was AUD 14.1 million for CLW's 49.9% interest, reflecting a blended 4.8% cap rate.

The Geoscience Australia and Endeavour Group pub acquisitions demonstrate our focus on transactions offering attractive long-term, risk-adjusted returns, but also mindful of downside protection, investing in properties strategically important to our tenants with strong tenant credit favoring government and large co-companies and properties with high underlying land value. Given Charter Hall Group's strong reputation and strong relationship in the marketplace, we continue to see most deals in the market and also have access to many off-market opportunities as a result of existing relationships across the Charter Hall Group. We're able to source deals not solely based on price, but also based on our ability to provide certainty of completion and ease of execution for the vendors. Turning to slide 16. In the following slides, I would like to provide an overview of our portfolio and outline some key attributes of the portfolio. Slide 16 is our portfolio overview.

In the first half, we were able to grow and enhance the portfolio through acquisition and positive valuation movements. The value of the portfolio is now approximately AUD 7.2 billion. During the period, we have further enhanced the portfolio with AUD 112 million of divestments and AUD 105 million of income-enhancing property acquisitions, which contributed to improving portfolio quality, sector diversification, and lengthening the portfolio WALE. As a result, the number of properties of the REIT has increased to 550. The portfolio has a long-dated WALE of 11.8 years at December. The properties in the portfolio feature a blend of annual lease rent review structures, both fixed and CPI-linked. Our average fixed reviews are 3.1%, whilst our CPI-linked leases delivered strong growth, with 7.2% growth in FY 2023.

This results in a weighted average rent review for FY 2023 of 5%. Our portfolio has occupancy of 99.9%, and the portfolio average cap rate is 4.41%. Turning now to slide 17 and an outline of our tenant customers and the tenant diversification of the REIT. Our portfolio of Long WALE properties is leased to high-quality tenants, including government, Endeavour Group, Telstra, bp, Inghams, and Coles. The acquisitions completed during the period further increase our exposure to high-quality tenants in government and best-in-class Endeavour Group. Turning to slide 18 and the industry diversification of our tenant customers. Within our overall portfolio, approximately 99% of our tenants are ASX-listed government, multinational, or national corporations, with the vast majority of these tenants operating in non-discretionary industries. During the period, we increased our exposure to government tenants.

We have also increased our exposure to the pubs and bottle shop sector with best-in-class operator, the AUD 12 billion Endeavour Group. In the telecommunications sector, we have a partnership with another best-in-class operator, the AUD 48 billion Telstra Corporation, which includes our portfolio of 37 exchange properties on long triple net leases. We also have a high proportion of tenants operating in the non-discretionary grocery and food sectors, such as Woolworths, Coles, Inghams, Arnott's, and Metcash. Our bp Australia and New Zealand portfolios of 295 properties on long triple net leases provides us with exposure to the resilient fuel and convenience retail sector. Turning to slide 19. As can be seen from the chart on this slide, the REIT's portfolio has a long-dated lease expiry profile and reflects a low-risk position relative to our peers in the sector.

Our portfolio WALE is a long-dated 11.8 years. We continue to work to push out our expiry profile as far as possible to the right of this chart, both through acquisition and negotiating lease extensions with our tenant customers. These preceding slides demonstrate the resilience and strength of our portfolio. Our portfolio WALE, quality of tenants, and proportion of triple-net leases provides better downside protection and more resilient income stream for our investors. Turning now to slide 21. I would now like to provide an update regarding earnings and distribution guidance for FY 2023. Based on information currently available and barring any unforeseen events, CLW reaffirms its FY 2023 operating EPS guidance of AUD 0.28 and distribution per security guidance of AUD 0.28. Based on yesterday's closing price, this represents a 6.1% distribution yield.

I would also like to acknowledge and thank the teams of people across the Charter Hall platform that contribute to the performance of CLW and the results delivered today. The Charter Hall Group provides the REIT with access to a high caliber team of experts across all areas of the REIT's management and provides CLW with access to a best-in-class management platform. That concludes the presentation, and I would now like to invite questions.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Lou Pirenc of Jarden. Please proceed with your question.

Lou Pirenc
Head of Real Estate Research, Jarden

Thank you. Good morning. Two questions from me. First of all, you clearly made some good progress with asset recycling. What's in the plans for second half 2023 and beyond this? Is this something that you're, you know, actively working through, or was that more opportunistic in the first half?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Hi, Lou. Yes, there's nothing firm at this stage for second half 2023. We're, you know, we'll continue to review opportunities as they arise. Yeah, there's nothing further to announce in relation to that, this stage.

Lou Pirenc
Head of Real Estate Research, Jarden

Okay, thank you. Then can I just ask about cap rates and the assumptions there, particularly your 3.9% on the logistics portfolio. What kind of assumptions around long-term, you know, cost of capital are you making to keep those cap rates so low compared to your current marginal cost of debt?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Well, I think the industrial portfolio, what's not, what doesn't come out in that summary table, is the fact that we actually did see cap rate expansion across the industrial portfolio of around 15 basis points. What resulted in the cap rate firming was the Metcash valuation. Because of the lease extension, that property was revalued with a sharper cap rate that brought the average down. Look, I think that's fairly consistent with what we're seeing, you know, across the board this results season. You know, we're seeing, particularly industrial, you're seeing very strong market rental growth, which is underpinning or offsetting some of that cap rate expansion.

More broadly across the portfolio, you know, we have very relatively low rents, you know, best-in-class tenant registers, very low CapEx, and obviously the triple net leases and uncapped CPI drivers that should limit or are limiting the sort of cap rate expansion at the moment.

Lou Pirenc
Head of Real Estate Research, Jarden

Okay. Maybe a quick follow-up on that.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Yeah.

Lou Pirenc
Head of Real Estate Research, Jarden

Can you give an indication of how under-rented you feel you are across the portfolio by asset class?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

I feel that on average, across the portfolio, we are under-rented. As you're aware, you know, when we did the ALE deal, we published the fact that, you know, the prop portfolio was circa 30% under-rented. Similarly, a number of deals that we did do in recent years were done at effective rents, and rents that were set low by the tenants in those sell and lease backs, particularly, you know, Telstra exchanges, our original pub portfolio, the service state, bp service stations. I think, and obviously what we've seen with market rents in industrial means that, you know, we're probably, you know, under-rented across that whole portfolio. I think on average, we're under-rented. I think that, you know, that, they're probably the main drivers of that.

Lou Pirenc
Head of Real Estate Research, Jarden

Thank you.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Stuart McLean of Macquarie. Please proceed with your question.

Stuart McLean
Associate Director, Macquarie

Good morning, and thanks for your time. Just following on a similar theme, so the acquisition, at the end of the pub at 4.8%, can you just maybe talk to what is your marginal cost of debt, and do you feel that that acquisition is therefore going to be accretive to earnings?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

As you're aware, Stu, we've got a, you know, really good relationship with Endeavor and are able to access, you know, those sort of long lease opportunities as a result of that relationship off market. You know, those properties are all 15-year triple net leases with uncapped CPI. Your cap rate is one aspect, but I think when you factor in, you know, the rents are set, the levels of rents are set at and also the fact that we have uncapped CPI and no CapEx obligations, and those properties are, you know, fairly important for the tenant's business, you know, we really like those assets.

You know, we've taken the opportunity to recycle, out of some sharper, you know, cap rate short WALE properties into, you know, some longer WALE, high-quality opportunities with, you know, best-in-class tenant. In terms of marginal cost of debt, well, it's much lower than that. Scott, you wanna-

Scott Martin
Head of Long WALE REIT Finance, Charter Hall

Yeah.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

You got that?

Scott Martin
Head of Long WALE REIT Finance, Charter Hall

Like it's around that 4% probably we would have drawn the debt at.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

We're already paying loan fees, so the incrementals...

Scott Martin
Head of Long WALE REIT Finance, Charter Hall

Yeah, the incremental is about 4%. That's, yeah, that was accretive, so.

Stuart McLean
Associate Director, Macquarie

Great. Thank you. Then just on best use of capital, in your presentation, you know, the dividend yield for CLW is 6.1%. Choosing to acquire at 4.8% as opposed to investing in your own portfolio that you currently have?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

What do you mean by invest in our own, your own portfolio?

Stuart McLean
Associate Director, Macquarie

Do a buyback instead of acquiring assets at 4.8% and investing in your own portfolio with the 6.1% dividend yield.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Oh, look, there are many aspects, other factors, I guess, involved with a buyback. You know, obviously a buyback is something that's always discussed at board and continues to be, depending on sort of where we're trading. I think you need to also bear in mind that if we take proceeds from asset sales and invest in a buyback, you know, obviously we're not gonna get the earnings growth that we're getting from those properties. Similarly, you know, there's other considerations including, you know, what it does to our gearing, et cetera. Yeah, that's yeah. We have to take a number of factors in considering that.

Stuart McLean
Associate Director, Macquarie

Great. Thank you. Just a final one from me just around ESG, just in relation to the more scrutiny that is clearly coming towards poker machines. Understanding Endeavour's 19% of the portfolio, do you have any comments there on what that could mean for the outlook on cap rates, asset values, cash flows coming from assets that are linked to gaming?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Yes. I think you're referring there to sort of what the New South Wales reforms that were announced recently. Look, in relation to that, it's something we obviously monitor. Those reforms have recently been announced and we've reviewed those. It's still subject to an election in New South Wales. You know, importantly for us, we don't take any operational control. We don't have any operational control in those pubs. We have triple net leases. We collect rent from Endeavor Group. It's a AUD 12 billion listed entity. Gaming is a small, one part of a much larger business, and we're very confident sort of in the Endeavor business and its continued growth.

You know, finally, as, in terms of our overall pub portfolio, you know, New South Wales is only about 10% of the assets that we have. When you factor in, when you combine all those factors, we don't see it being a significant impact on our portfolio.

Stuart McLean
Associate Director, Macquarie

No ESG related concerns then, yourselves continuing to hold these types of assets on a go-forward basis?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

We've had pubs since day one of CLW, so it's always been part of our investment sort of thesis and what we do.

Stuart McLean
Associate Director, Macquarie

Great. Thanks very much for your time. That's all for me.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Grant McCasker of UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Grant McCasker
Head of APAC Real Estate Equities Research, UBS

Thanks. Good morning. I just want to check how much leasing and maintenance CapEx was spent over the half, also if you can provide a little bit more detail in regards to CapEx required for the Metcash lease extension.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Yeah. We spent about AUD 5 million on leasing maintenance CapEx between AUD 5 million and AUD 7 million. We spent about AUD 25 million on in relation to Metcash in terms of the CapEx that we're doing there and have to do there as part of our lease renewal. We have to bring that facility up to modern standard for the next sort of 11 years and part of the deal. We're spending some CapEx there.

Grant McCasker
Head of APAC Real Estate Equities Research, UBS

Just checking, is that spent in the half or what you plan to spend in the future periods as well?

Scott Martin
Head of Long WALE REIT Finance, Charter Hall

That's been in the current half.

Grant McCasker
Head of APAC Real Estate Equities Research, UBS

What's the total amount for the Metcash lease?

Scott Martin
Head of Long WALE REIT Finance, Charter Hall

About AUD 25. AUD 25 spent in the half.

Grant McCasker
Head of APAC Real Estate Equities Research, UBS

Sorry, it's AUD 25 spent in the half. Is that right?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

We've still got a little bit more to spend there, but, you know, we're, we're working through that. It's over a sort of a 10-year timeframe.

Grant McCasker
Head of APAC Real Estate Equities Research, UBS

What is the total amount you will be spending?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Well, we're not We haven't disclosed that number to Grant. It's something that we're working with Metcash on over the next sort of 10 years to maintenance CapEx in that facility.

Grant McCasker
Head of APAC Real Estate Equities Research, UBS

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Annabelle Atkins of JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Annabelle Atkins
Equity Research Associate, JPMorgan

Oh, hi, guys. Thanks for your time. Just note on slide 25, your balance sheet debt covenant gearing is 39.3%, versus your covenant of 50%. Just wondering your views on if this is enough headroom for you guys as you enter or as we enter a devaluation cycle.

Scott Martin
Head of Long WALE REIT Finance, Charter Hall

Yeah, thanks for the question. Yeah, look, we regularly perform stress testing across all of our covenants and look, that covenant hasn't moved much since June either. We're very comfortable. We've got plenty of headroom there. Like even 150 basis points of this expansion wouldn't see us breach that. That's not even factoring in the strong rental growth that's positively impacting the valuations as well. We're very comfortable that we're well clear of that covenant.

Annabelle Atkins
Equity Research Associate, JPMorgan

Just another quick question. Noticed that your lease expiry improved in FY 2026 over the half. Just wondering, is this from a sale or why did that come down from 5.5% to 3.1%?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Yeah. We're, yeah, we sold some of the short WALE properties and that sort of reweighted the WALE.

Annabelle Atkins
Equity Research Associate, JPMorgan

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Prineas of Morningstar. Please proceed with your question.

Alex Prineas
Equity Analyst, Morningstar

Thank you. Good morning. Just wondering, have you done any further interest rate hedging post the balance date that's not shown in the presentation?

Scott Martin
Head of Long WALE REIT Finance, Charter Hall

No. No, we haven't. It's just that AUD 650 million that we did, in early in FY 2023, which we announced at the full year results.

Alex Prineas
Equity Analyst, Morningstar

Okay. All right. Thanks for that.

Operator

One moment for our next question.

Our next question comes from the line of Steven Tjia of Barrenjoey. Please proceed with your question.

Ben Brayshaw
Founding Principal and Head of REITs, Barrenjoey

Hi. Yes, it's Ben Brayshaw from Barrenjoey, just dialed in on Steven's line. Avi, thanks for the presentation. Would you be able to just comment on the Moody's Baa1 investment grade rating, just in relation to the thresholds to support the credit rating metrics, and how comfortable you are with those as we look forward?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Yeah, we're comfortable with the metrics, Ben. We've, you know, obviously maintained that rating. Moody's do regular reviews and we've maintained that rating for some time now. I think the, you know, it's important to bear in mind, you know, the quality of the portfolio that we talked about earlier, the income drivers, the low CapEx, the high proportion of triple net leases, that all contributes to that sort of credit rating analysis. Yeah, we, you know, we're comfortable with where we sit there.

Ben Brayshaw
Founding Principal and Head of REITs, Barrenjoey

Are you able just to, just to clarify, what the credit rating thresholds are, to support Baa1, you know, either look-through or balance sheet gearing. Also in relation to debt serviceability, either net debt to EBITDA or the interest cover ratios, please.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

You'd have to talk to Moody's about that, Ben. I mean, what their, what sort of, what criteria and weightings that they apply to all those factors. They have, you know, criteria and factors they apply, and that's how they come up with their ratings.

Ben Brayshaw
Founding Principal and Head of REITs, Barrenjoey

Okay. Thanks for your time.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes through the line of Suraj Nebhani of Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Suraj Nebhani
VP and Research Analyst of Property and Infrastructure, Citi

Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for the opportunity. Two quick questions. Firstly, Avi, you mentioned asset recycling. Generally, how do you see the market for transaction activity at the moment?

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Well, yeah, I mean, the market, you know, it's been well-publicized. It's, there's not a lot of transactions taking place. You know, I think for certain asset classes, you know, there's more active than others. You know, industrial is still pretty active. There's still transactions happening in the pub sector, et cetera. You know, in terms of your question around asset sales, yeah, look, that's still a market and things, you know, opportunities that's open to us in the future if we decide to recycle or undertake asset sales.

Suraj Nebhani
VP and Research Analyst of Property and Infrastructure, Citi

Are there pockets of the portfolio where you would see more opportunity to recycle, or, yeah.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

I think we just take it on a case-by-case basis, Suraj. I mean, I think, yes, I think, you know, our portfolio is very high quality and we have a lot of assets that are, you know, at a relatively low value that would trade pretty easily and quickly, so pretty comfortable. We'll just see what opportunities present themselves in the coming, you know, months.

Suraj Nebhani
VP and Research Analyst of Property and Infrastructure, Citi

On the other side, in terms of buying opportunities, obviously you've done one transaction this period. How is that looking near term, I guess? You know, the opportunity set and, you know, especially in terms of pricing.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

Well, the pricing I think we, you know. As I said, there's not a lot trading at this stage, but we still see a number of deals, particularly off market. You know, the sale and leaseback market's still active. Charter Hall has been very active player in, you know, corporate and government sale and leasebacks across all sectors of the market. I think for CLW, that's been a big factor in our growth and I think will continue to be. You know, we'll be continuing to sort of screen opportunities in that area. The pricing, you know, we'll adjust, we'll adjust to market, depending on sort of what it is and where it is and what features it has.

Suraj Nebhani
VP and Research Analyst of Property and Infrastructure, Citi

Okay. Thanks for that. Just one question for Scott, if I may. Scott, on the valuation assumptions, can you just clarify whether the valuers are including the strong inflation numbers that, you know, CLW is printing at the moment in the book values?

Scott Martin
Head of Long WALE REIT Finance, Charter Hall

Yeah, absolutely. They factor those in.

Suraj Nebhani
VP and Research Analyst of Property and Infrastructure, Citi

Okay.

Avi Anger
Fund Manager, Charter Hall

It's fair to say that the inflation, though, is probably what's printed lately is probably higher than what the value is had assumed for the year. There's probably, you know, a bit of upside there.

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