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Earnings Call: Q1 2024

Oct 18, 2023

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Northern Star September 2023 Quarterly Results Briefing. All participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you will need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Stuart Tonkin, Managing Director and CEO. Please go ahead.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Good morning, and thanks for joining us. With me today is Chief Operating Officer Simon Jessop and Chief Financial Officer Ryan Gurner. I'm pleased to present our first quarter results for FY 2024 and maintain full-year production and cost guidance, as we are well positioned to deliver growth throughout the year with a strong half two forecast. In September quarter, we completed planned mill maintenance across each of our production centers and delivered a production result of 369,000 ounces sold at all-in sustaining costs of AUD 1,939 an ounce. The September quarter enabled further progress of our organic growth plans with record throughput to milled at Thunderbox, the KCGM mill expansion pre-works and procurement is now well underway.

The Super Pit east wall remediation is accelerating to access the higher-grade Golden Pike zone in the second half of the year, and Pogo volumes were consistent and cost improvement initiatives have been identified and planned there. The balance sheet remains strong, with net cash of AUD 284 million and AUD 2.2 billion of liquidity. While we fully fund from operating cash flows, our production growth, our exploration activity, the active share buyback, and subsequent to the quarter end, we paid the FY 2023 final dividend of AUD 0.155 per share. These are all examples of a mature and sustainable business that you should own.

During the quarter, we published our annual report and sustainability reports, as well as a number of disclosure statements, and I thank the team for the work to produce these reports, highlighting the extensive business activity, for shareholder and associated stakeholders. I encourage listeners to review these documents as demonstration of the great work underway at Northern Star. Now, Simon will speak to the Australian operations, but first to Pogo in Alaska. Pogo delivered gold sold of 62,000 ounces and completed planned mill shutdowns during the quarter. Mining physicals were consistent with the development above the required 1,500 meters a month of 1,581.

Stoping contribution was 2/3 of the ore fed to the mill, and grade was representative of mine areas and mining dilution, which remains a focus. We also have focus on costs, and that's key at Pogo, with an all-in sustaining cost in the quarter of $1,438 an ounce. But pleasingly, total costs were down 12%, on the June quarter, and planning is underway to reduce the fleet with the rehab jumbo scope diminishing and whole fleet plans to operate fewer, larger, and more productive trucks, therefore, being ordered. During my visit to Pogo during the quarter, it was evident that the team are proactively identifying opportunities to improve productivity and drive our costs across all departments.

Exploration activity across the group continued with AUD 30 million invested in the quarter to advance their geological targets, and we look forward to providing an exploration update in December quarter, showing the significant potential of our world-class geological systems. Now I'd like to hand over to Simon for the Australian operations.

Simon Jessop
COO, Northern Star

Thank you, Stu. For the Kalgoorlie Production Centre, including KCGM, Carosue Dam, Kanowna Belle, and South Kalgoorlie, we sold 183,000 ounces of gold, down 19% at an Australian all-in sustaining cost of AUD 1,844 an ounce. This production delivered a mine operating cash flow of AUD 174 million, while we spent AUD 219 million on significant growth capital projects, including AUD 80 million on the KCGM mill expansion and AUD 17 million on KCGM open pit mine development and new tailings storage facilities. At KCGM, open pit material movement was in line with plan at 21.7 million tons in the quarter, along with a focus on the east wall remediation area.

Golden Pike South was completed during the quarter, which now enables uninterrupted access to mining the east wall remediation area. This is a real highlight as we continue to accelerate towards unlocking the 1.2 million ounces at the base of the pit. We're on track for the recommencement of mining in Golden Pike North in H2 of this financial year as a key driver of KCGM's ounce profile over the next three years. Underground mining volumes for the Kalgoorlie region increased to 1.61 million tons, while grade reduced 13% to deliver 120,000 ounces. The lower grade was driven from Mount Charlotte and Carosue, having limited access to high-grade areas.

KCGM's underground Mount Charlotte operation stabilized ore production at 520,000 tons, with development lifting 52% quarter-on-quarter to 3.2 km. The Carosue Dam Porphyry underground mine successfully commenced stoping and will ramp up over the course of FY 2024 as a new high-grade feed source for Carosue. This mine is run by our in-house Northern Star Mining Services division, which averaged 470 meters a month with a single jumbo for the quarter. The Kalgoorlie operations of Kanowna Belle and South Kalgoorlie mines were stable quarter-on-quarter on underground mine volumes and growth. Processing volumes in the Kalgoorlie Production Center had their major annual planned shutdowns for maintenance.

KCGM had its full reline of the Fimiston SAG, along with the usual biannual major maintenance activities. Lower head grades were driven from the KCGM and Carosue Dam operations, along with reduced mill volumes, which is planned for this time of the year. The KCGM mill expansion spent AUD 80 million during the quarter and successfully commenced the on-ground enabling works. The engineering and design works are progressing very well, with Primero assembling a high-quality team for this marquee project, which is integrating well with our Northern Star project team. The focus is on the preparation for the main construction team to commence on-ground site works at KCGM in quarter three of FY 2024.

At our Yandal Production Center, including Jundee, Thunderbox, and Bronzewing, we sold 124,000 ounces of gold at an Australian all-in sustaining cost of AUD 1,929 an ounce. This production delivered a mine operating cash flow of AUD 96 million, while we spent AUD 40 million on growth capital projects. Primarily, AUD 18 million was spent on the Orelia open pit. At our Jundee operation, development advance was 7.5 km, with 687,000 tons mined and 80,000 ounces for the quarter. Processing had its major planned shutdown, along with an unplanned crushing circuit downtime event, which limited throughput at the end of the quarter.

This also delayed processing of high-grade ounces into the December quarter. The Jundee Renewable Project is on track for the 16 MW solar farm and 12 MW battery energy storage system to be online in FY 2024, the second half. The 24 MW wind farm works are continuing, and on track for FY 2025. Thunderbox underground operation achieved a new site record with 603,000 tons of ore mined and the highest physicals, quarterly physicals to date. For the quarter, the underground and open pit operations successfully mined 1.95 million tons of ore, which is above the nameplate of the newly expanded process plant.

The Thunderbox process plant achieved a new record of 1.37 million tons milled for the quarter, with a major planned shutdown and 58,000 ounces of gold sold. The throughput tons per hour lifted to an average of 775 tons per hour for the entire quarter, which is 25 tons per hour above the nameplate. The focus for the processing team continues to be around availability and utilization, along with stabilization of the plant. We are very pleased with the quarterly step change in throughput of this processing facility and the lift in gold sold. I'll now pass over to Ryan, our Chief Financial Officer, to discuss the financials.

Ryan Gurner
CFO, Northern Star

Yeah, thanks, Simon, and good morning, all. As demonstrated in today's quarterly results, the company remains in a robust financial position. Our balance sheet remains strong, as set out in table three on page eight, with cash and bullion of AUD 1.2 billion at 30 September, and we remain in a net cash position of AUD 285 million. Pleasingly, our assets collectively generated positive free cash flow, with the group's capital expenditure fully funded. Figure nine on page nine sets out the company's cash movements for the quarter, with key elements being the company recording AUD 397 million of operational cash flow.

Looking ahead to the remaining quarters of the financial year, this is forecast to rise with access to high-grade, low-strip material at Golden Pike North, KCGM, planned high head grade and recoveries at Jundee, continued throughput increases and recovery at Thunderbox, with increasing grade planned and contribution from high-grade ore source of the Porphyry underground at CDO. After deducting CapEx of AUD 299 million relating to plant and equipment and mine development, AUD 31 million in exploration, and AUD 39 million in equipment finance and lease costs, quarterly free cash flow generation was AUD 28 million. Quarterly investment in sustaining capital, growth capital, and exploration are tracking to plan. Growth capital includes development of Porphyry underground, CDO, and open pit development at Orelia and KCGM.

Growth capital includes AUD 80 million for the KCGM plant expansion and includes work performed and commitments in respect to the major equipment package, enabling works, and prepayment to the EPC contractor relating to the process plant works. As announced with the FY 2023 financials, the company has extended its AUD 300 million share buyback program for a further 12 months to the 30th of September, 2024. During the quarter, 3.7 million Northern Star shares, totaling AUD 41 million, were bought back and canceled, and the company purchased the Millrose Gold Project, which is an advanced exploration asset located 40 km east of our Jundee operations.

While operational free cash flow is expected to increase in Q2, please note, subsequent to the quarter end, the company paid its FY 2023 financial dividend, which Stu mentioned, semiannual coupon payment on the bonds, and the FY 2024 annual group insurance premiums. On other financial matters, depreciation and amortization are in line with expectations at the midpoint of the guidance range, approximately $700 per ounce sold. For the quarter, non-cash inventory charges for the group are AUD 29 million. The majority of these non-cash charges relate to the milling of acquired stockpiles at KCGM and are a component of EBITDA.

Lastly, in respect of hedging, table four, page nine, sets out the company's committed hedge position at 30th September, with the overall hedge book being 1.68 million ounces at an average price of AUD 2,929 per ounce . During the quarter, the company placed 330,000 ounces at an average price above AUD 3,300. These were predominantly placed across FY 2026 and 2027 financial years. I'll now hand back to Travis, for the Q&A session. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star, then two. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. The first question today comes from Mitch Ryan from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Mitch Ryan
SVP and Metals and Mining Research Analyst, Jefferies

Morning, Stuart and team. Thank you very much. First question was just the—so the AUD 45 million of M&A expenses in your cash flow waterfall, the majority of that relates to the Millrose project. Is that, is that the correct understanding?

Ryan Gurner
CFO, Northern Star

Yeah, Mitch Ryan here. Yeah, that's right, Mitch. Yeah.

Mitch Ryan
SVP and Metals and Mining Research Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. I thought there might be some very busy bankers and there might be something happening. Okay. And just the second one, did the unplanned impact of the crushing circuit at Jundee, did that fall over into the current quarter as well, or was it all resolved by the end of the September quarter?

Simon Jessop
COO, Northern Star

Yeah, thanks, Mitch, Simon. Yeah, all resolved during the quarter. The frustrating thing there was just that happened in month three of the quarter, so early in September, just as we sort of got the high grade from Jundee, from the sequence came through. So that's just been pushed into Q2, of which we've milling. So yeah, all resolved during quarter one.

Mitch Ryan
SVP and Metals and Mining Research Analyst, Jefferies

Awesome. Thank you very much for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you once again. To ask a question, please press star one on your phone. The next question comes from Daniel Morgan, from Barrenjoey. Please go ahead.

Daniel Morgan
Founding Principal and Mining Equity Analyst, Barrenjoey

Hi, Stuart and team. So first question is just on the Super Pit. Can you confirm if I've read this correctly? Basically, you're gonna do a big waste removal campaign in half one, which is going to give you access to high grade ore at Golden Pike in half two. Can I just clarify if that's the case, and is access at Golden Pike more weighted to Q4? And is Q2 grade likely to be similar to Q1 that we've just witnessed? Thank you.

Simon Jessop
COO, Northern Star

Yeah, thanks, Daniel, Simon. Yeah, so during the quarter, we finished Golden Pike South, so that's successfully finished that part of the pit we've been mining over the last few years. And while we were doing that, we were continuing to mine the east wall remediation area, which is, you know, probably about 80% complete now. So during Q2, we'll continue to mine through the east wall area and progressively get ourselves set up for Golden Pike North access in H2. So in terms of grades, it's probably similar to quarter one, but we don't have the mill shut down event, so Q2 is always a bigger quarter for us in terms of throughput and runtime.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Yeah, but you identified it right, that the waste movement in half, you know, it's a transitional quarter, and it sort of moves. That once that second half and that Golden Pike, you know, Simon spoke, there's 1.2 million ounces there, sort of sits at about 1.8 grams. The strip ratio is below two. That momentum in the second half of that Golden Pike North really lifts the profile, and then that continues for years. It's not just a sort of honey pot. That's all of the efforts to get the east wall remediated is to access that high-grade pit floor from that slip from back in 2018. We're right on the cusp of liberating that value.

Daniel Morgan
Founding Principal and Mining Equity Analyst, Barrenjoey

On that east wall remediation, is it safe to say that you should be mostly done by the end of this fiscal year on cleaning that up? I know it's been a huge campaign at the site.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Yeah. So the work done to access the floor will be there, continuing to clear off the benches above and do that remediation work for the long term. But there are two parts of it. One is to just access safely on the pit floor, and that happens half two. There'll be some continuing costs associated with waste removal, 'cause we've got to get the containment bund and a few of those benches cleared, and that will continue throughout the year.

Simon Jessop
COO, Northern Star

Yeah, by the end-

Daniel Morgan
Founding Principal and Mining Equity Analyst, Barrenjoey

Thank you,

Simon Jessop
COO, Northern Star

Financial year, Daniel, we'll be finished on the east wall remediation.

Daniel Morgan
Founding Principal and Mining Equity Analyst, Barrenjoey

That's a huge catalyst, many years in the making. Just switching over to Pogo, the physicals looked really good, but the grade was a tad weak. Can we expect that this might improve in the future quarters? Thank you.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Yeah, it is a bit swings and roundabouts, you know, very similar to Jundee. You end up with sort of quite a variance in grade, and it will— we expect it always returns to reserve grade through the plant. We still have some modest stope dilution there that we're working on, but a lot of that was the backlog of cleaning out a lot of waste stockpiled underground and the development of ore. So although stoping was 2/3 of the feed, there was just varied grade that was held in the stockpile underground through that plant shutdown. So yeah, it's a bit of that catching up of that material, but yeah, we don't see that as— see that as a very temporary position on that grade.

Daniel Morgan
Founding Principal and Mining Equity Analyst, Barrenjoey

Thank you. Last question is a financial one. During the quarter, you recommenced your buyback. Can you just clarify what is the, you know, what are the triggers for bringing back the buyback on or not? Thank you.

Ryan Gurner
CFO, Northern Star

Yeah, thanks, Dan. Obviously, you know, the company, we were sort of just under 50% last financial year, so obviously the board made the decision to extend that. Just to remind everyone, we've got blackout. You know, we follow our own blackout period, so we can't look to buy back shares all the time. And look— we're just looking to be opportunistic over the 12 months. You know, we bought back, you know, another AUD 41 million this quarter. So, you know, we're advancing on that. We've got lots of time left in the financial year to complete.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

It sort of has to stay live, Dan, you know, as you appreciate that our internal model valuation modifier has been gold price changes. So, you know, Aussie gold's at AUD 3,075 bucks an ounce. So it's always continually, you know, reviewing where our best returns are for our capital employed. We've obviously got a lot of organic growth projects underway, but the commitment is that that buyback's available to us for that extension of 12 months.

Daniel Morgan
Founding Principal and Mining Equity Analyst, Barrenjoey

Okay, thank you very much, Stuart and Tim.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Matthew Frydman from MST Financial. Please go ahead.

Matthew Frydman
Senior Research Analyst, MST Financial

Sure. Thanks. Morning. A couple of questions from me, if I can. Firstly, maybe, drilling down into the mining costs at KCGM. Looked like a pretty strong quarter, if my rough numbers are right. In the open pit, you're moving dirt at about AUD 1.20 a ton. So I guess, you know, now that you've tidied up some of those areas in Golden Pike South and you're getting stuck into more productive areas, is it fair to assume that that's the kind of material movement cost that you're sort of aiming for going forward or you're budgeting at the operation?

Simon Jessop
COO, Northern Star

Yeah, Matt, look, I'd love it to be AUD 1.20 a ton. It's pretty consistent around that AUD 4-AUD 4.50 a ton, just depending on where we're mining. So, we'll get some shorter haulage over the next sort of period as we're mining higher up in the pit. And then as we access Golden Pike North, we obviously will spend some more money in terms of hauling from the base of the pit. However, you know, a strip ratio of less than 2:1, and the grade, you know, 1.8–2 grams, we're always gonna go to the base of the pit when it's available. So that's broadly where we sit. We did achieve 66,000 trucking hours again, so fairly consistent now in terms of peak material movement.

Matthew Frydman
Senior Research Analyst, MST Financial

Yeah. Got it. Thanks, Simon. I was talking on a TMM basis, whereas I'm not sure that you might have been talking on a per ton of ore mine basis. But anyway, I can dig through those numbers a bit after the call to work out where we're at. I just see the open pit mining costs on a dollar per ounce basis and turn that into turn that into dollar millions, and it's obviously a quite low number relative to where you've been tracking for the last few quarters. But no, I appreciate that additional detail. Thanks. We can go through the numbers after.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Clarify the growth, the allocation of that growth, growth capital, which is a lot of that waste movement, and there's potentially some rehandle on stockpile that's quite cheap in that as well.

Ryan Gurner
CFO, Northern Star

Yeah. So, Matt, so obviously with Golden Pike South finishing, which would be in, you know, your operating costs, whereas, you know, Simon's talking more just generally as a material movement, a lot of it is waste. So that's either relative to the cutback, which would be in growth. So yeah, we'll go through the splits after the call if you like.

Matthew Frydman
Senior Research Analyst, MST Financial

Yeah, that'd be helpful. Thanks, Ryan. Maybe secondly, perhaps a somewhat similar question on Pogo, and obviously, Stu, you gave some color about how you're upsizing the equipment there and obviously with the improvements in, I guess, mine development, that you actually don't need necessarily all of the equipment that's down in the hole. Do you have in mind a mining cost, either in Aussie dollar a ton or U.S. d ollar a ton, that you're sort of targeting for that operation going forward? I think at the moment, in Aussie dollars, you're sort of running at about, you know, call it, AUD 200 a ton mining cost. Is that, you know, again, what sort of quantum of improvement can we expect from that, those changes?

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Yeah, I won't— so to say cost per ton targets at the moment. I guess I'm still trying to get to the 1,000 all-in sustaining USD per ounce. Not, you know, not talking tons, and I know we've got, you know, years to get to there, given where we're guided and, you know, 1,100 is probably the first checkpoint. You know, that's a real target. So during my visit, it was going through— and the only way we can achieve that with the current format is striking out, you know, line items of costs.

And so things like the sixth jumbo, we see that it will complete its work, and then the rest of the jumbos will take up that type of sporadic rehab work as part of its normal activity. So we can still maintain about 1,500 meters a month and all the rehab with five jumbos, so it takes one good cost line item out. The truckings are really interesting ones. We sort of run 10 trucks, and we believe we can get down to six trucks with the larger fleet. We've got one that we've been trialing, and I viewed that when I was there, and I've placed orders to order six of those to replace the current fleet.

And then that that's you know across the labor, not the congestion underground, the productivity, the tonnage, and the speed on grade, and all those things that come through of taking 10 to six trucks to move the same material are a step change improvements. What we've done and how we can do that is gone through the mine and taken and stripped out and moved services to enable that much larger truck to fit. And that's been years in the making because you're retrofitting a historically old mine, and we've basically got that physical truck on site driving up and down at the moment to all the areas to prove that that's capable of doing that.

And then a lot of the costs in Pogo are up above ground. A lot of the G&A and, you know, reagents and energy costs and those things, so there's. It's every department. You know, in Australia, typically the mining cost from an underground perspective is your biggest gains. In Pogo, there's a balance between underground and open, but there are surface activities where that cost is significant, and the dry stack tailings and the float plant and all those things. So across every department, there's a lot of work to identify doing more with less, and getting the most out of the infrastructure that's there.

Matthew Frydman
Senior Research Analyst, MST Financial

Sure. Got it. Thanks, thanks, Stu. Yep. And then maybe finally, a bit of a higher level one on M&A. You know, as of this week, you guys are now officially the biggest ASX-listed gold miner. Clearly we can see from the end of the quarterly that you've got a strong balance sheet. You know, AUD 1.2 billion in cash and bullion is a pretty enviable position. There's certainly a lot of peers out there that aren't nearly as well capitalized as you guys. So, you know, how do you think about the high-level strategy for M&A in that setting? You know, has that changed? And how do you think about, I guess, the scale of inorganic growth opportunities, what you'd like to target and what's meaningful for the business, going forward?

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Yeah, look, I went to the North American Gold Conference, Denver Gold Forum, in the quarter. You know, there's a lot of chatter around what would happen post that tie-up with Newcrest and any assets would go. But we're pretty clear on saying the ones we like in all of their portfolio are the ones that Newmont also likes, so it's unlikely they'll be coming available. And then down the lower end of registers, I still expect to see plenty of activity in that regard. But where we're sitting in our space, I think the best value and the efforts for us are our organic projects that we're—you know, this is hump year.

We're in a five-year strategy. We've progressed our projects very well across all of those assets. You know, we spoke about where we're positioned at KCGM, which is the next kind of real key lift up in ounce profile. That is the team's focus and efforts presently, and there's still enormous value to get out of the current portfolio without, you know, worrying about external stuff. So yeah, it's—you always look, but we'll keep busy on what we already have.

Matthew Frydman
Senior Research Analyst, MST Financial

Okay, got it. Thanks, Stu.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Meredith Schwarz from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Meredith Schwarz
Metals and Mining Analyst, Bank of America

Good morning, Stu and team. A question for Pogo for me, please. There's been a lot on that this morning, but can you talk through the grade optimization work that you're doing, and the production initiatives that are ongoing and what that entails for lifting the grades? And then secondly, with reserve grades at around the, the 8.6 g/t , do you think that's, a level, a grade level that you can achieve in time? You know, how do you look at the, the grade profiling for Pogo looking forward? Thank you.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Thanks, Meredith. So if you go back a number of quarters, we were—well , we were incurring two things: one, sort of the lower stope tons overall, so there was development led, and the development ore is a lower grade, which is opening up those new mining areas, so the ratio of development ore to stoping ore. But also we were incurring some stope dilution, which we've modified our mining design. So there's two key elements we've done to change that. Bring in the drill and blast designs and shorten the length of the stopes to create less geotechnical issues.

We've also put most of the ore drives, the placement of those on a survey control so that the dilution, the vein is in the correct positioning in the face for the stopes benefit, not for the development phase, which means you might get worse development grade, but you get better stope grade. So that's been the structural change, and it takes, you know, six to 12 months to work that through the whole mine design. So they're things initiated by the site, and they're underway, and they're working. And so we absolutely accept and believe we'll migrate back to reserve grade, remembering the in-situ resource grade is above 10 g/t .

Mining dilution factors take it down to reserve grade, you know, sort of 8.5 g/t. Yeah, maintaining above 8 g/t is an average mill feed will get us that ounce profile. We've also run the mill above 1.3 million tonne nameplate, so the June quarter it run at 1.45 million tonne, and that's a leveler for for any sort of reduction in grade. Yeah, a lot, lots of busy things happening at Pogo. Apologies, we can't just take quarterly stats and drag right. It's still moving, but we know which parts we're working on.

Meredith Schwarz
Metals and Mining Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah, thanks for that, 'cause I know you know, I know that it is quite a a variable grade deposit, and so any mining dilution, so that 8.6 g/t or the, the mid-8 g/t is achievable as a, as a mill rate. So, so that's, that's great. I'm looking at KCGM. I've noticed over the last few quarters, the recovery rates have been trending lower. Is that simply a function of, of lower grade? Do you see those recovery rates lifting back up to the 83%-84% moving forward as, as you see a lift in grade? Can you talk through the, the recoveries, please?

Simon Jessop
COO, Northern Star

Yeah, thanks, Meredith, Simon. Yes, the grade in the last quarter was, you know, a couple of percent lower. That was really driven by we had some filter belt maintenance issues at the back of the plant. So what that meant was, instead of sending, treating majority of the concentrate up at Gidji, we actually used the Fimiston ultra fine grind facility at Fimiston. And what that means is you get a reduced residence time through the plant. So that was a one-off in terms of we had to do that just to try and get through the concentrate stocks.

That's all rectified now, and we're back to a much longer residence time up at Gidji. So that was the key driver. Little bit of float maintenance issues in the quarter, but we'll absolutely go back to our 83%-84%.

Meredith Schwarz
Metals and Mining Analyst, Bank of America

Perfect. Thanks, Simon. Thanks for the answers.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Al Harvey, from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Al Harvey
Metals and Mining Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, good day, Stu and team. Just back to M&A briefly. So I guess Millrose was a bit of a bolt-on acquisition. Do note though, you've still got the Osisko bond on the balance sheet, and I guess that was initially thought of as something as a stepping stone to something a bit more substantive prior to the DD you did. Just want to get a sense of how that's, that bond's fitting in the strategy in the medium to long term plans are there, and, yeah, just, you know, that, that kind of trade-off between smaller bolt-ons and, yeah, something more substantive.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Yeah, thanks, Al. So yeah, that the debenture was convertible note, for, I mean, the purpose of almost a deposit, to enable exclusivity and three months of DD, you know, with the opportunity to convert it into direct interest in the JV on that, you know, quality deposit. So we obviously didn't get there in any agreement, and since then, it's been dealt. So but the debenture remains with coupon being paid, and I think it's got another two and a bit years to run through, depending on what Osisko choose to do.

So yeah, no issue from our sense in where that's at. It's giving us a coupon. We're net cash anyway, so we're servicing all of the growth and the dividends and the buybacks from cash flows. So it's not that it's burning a hole in our pocket. We don't like seeing lazy cash sitting around, though, but I think if I recall, sort of CAD 154 million or something like that. So it's you know, meaningful, but it was more how it got there in the first place. We didn't utilize it in the form we'd set it out to be, so it'll eventually return to us.

Al Harvey
Metals and Mining Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Sure. Thanks, Stu. And, just quickly on Millrose, I guess 350,000-ounce resource, 1.8 g/t , a bit lower than Yandal reserve grade and a 30,000 haul. Is there anything there, that we should be thinking about in terms of upside beyond, I guess, or is it just purely for the ounces and life extension? And, maybe if you could touch on when you think it could potentially feed into the mine plan.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Yeah. So our exploration budget every year, I mean, across the group is AUD 150 million. But, you know, when you see things like that, the team did at Millrose, one, we did know that they'd advanced that resource well, and we're exploring and developing that to be something, and then natural fit is that it can come through our plant. So we saw a pretty neat transaction that met, you know, their shareholder needs and ours. It's oxide, right? So it'll come through fairly well, quickly, free, cheaply through the plant on top of current milling rates. So it doesn't necessarily displace, you know, hard rock feed.

It can come through that plant, but you've still got a fair bit of runway to sequence that into the mine plan, and again, drill it and see if we can grow it, to get that— a bit of that supplementary satellite feed. But yeah, I wouldn't count it in, 2024, maybe 2025. There may be some capital associated with haul roads and those sorts of things in 2025.

Al Harvey
Metals and Mining Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, sure. Makes sense. Thanks, Stu.

Operator

Thank you once again. To ask a question, please press star one on your phone. The next question comes from Hugo Nicolaci from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Hugo Nicolaci
VP and Resources Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Morning, Stu and team. Thanks for the update this morning. Maybe just another one on Pogo. Obviously a pretty good result in the quarter given the shutdown, but you've highlighted some early success in cost reductions. I was just wondering if you could talk through what those were to date and what other opportunities you might have there to get the costs down at Pogo, and then I'll come back with a second. Thanks.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Yeah, so I mean, there's many. I guess the main structural ones are still to come in regards to sort of removal of fleet. But what we've seen in productivities across all of our fleet, and this is delivered by the U.S. team. So we've reduced our— if I kind of think about over the period, we started with about 80+ expatriates across the team. We're down to about 40, and therefore, the U.S. team are delivering these physicals out of the operation. So we've been able to remove some of those training levels of skills and, you know, duplication of costs in that regard, as the U.S. team are meeting and exceeding those product productivity rates. So that's one element.

The other element is fewer machines and to do the same work or do more work, and that's across everything. So even our diamond driller, they're increasing meters per shift, the jumbos increasing their meters per month, and maintaining at those levels without training. You know, all of the haulage fleet, loaders, and trucks have been performing at max hours and productivity. And then we can make structural changes in larger trucks, fewer trucks. So that's a lot of the underground activity. Reducing dilution so we're not moving waste, you know, we're moving more ore.

And they've also created more real estate outside of the portal when some of the waste has come out to create hard stand outside front of the workshop in the valley, which means a lot of the inventory is being moved up closer to the portals. So there's less time traveling equipment around, you know, the region. So there's just so many things that are now done that set us up for the future that were— work underway in the last few years, and some of this has to be done seasonally. We just see that benefit starting to flow through. Then there's all the processing stabilization, and there's still a lot of work to do there. We see massive opportunities.

It's just around timing, you know, capital associated with it, disruption of production activity. You know, the whole plant doesn't even have a primary crusher. It all goes through a grizzly. We created our underground ore bins that help the flow of material and give us surge capacity to keep sustainable feeds. All of these things are just adding to the benefit of it. So I could talk for hours on it, but it’s been what's required. We're setting this up for multi-decades, and that's been the view to get the all-in sustaining cost ultimately down to that $1,000 U.S. all-in sustaining cost, and we're sitting up above $1,400 an ounce at the moment. So some of it's ounce denominator, some of it's true cost ripped out of the cost structure.

Great, thanks for that. Sounds like pretty successful so far and still a lot of optionality there. Second one, just really more a clarification on Jundee. Apologies if you've already mentioned it, but just how long was the crushing circuit out, and when did that one come back on?

Simon Jessop
COO, Northern Star

Yeah, thanks, Hugo, Simon. It was out for 12 days in total on the crushing circuit. That was sort of early September. So really in the last week of September, we got the crushing going again. We obviously drawn down our crush stocks, but we're in great shape at the moment. 60,000 tons crush stocks, and you know, all that's rectified on the crushing circuit.

Great. Thanks for that, Simon. I'll pass on.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Alex Papaioanou from Citi. Please go ahead.

Alex Papaioanou
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Hi, Stuart and team, just one from me. At KCGM, can you remind me what is needed to lift Mount Charlotte to the 2.5 million ton run rate? And is the target still to get to that 2.5 million ton run rate this FY?

Simon Jessop
COO, Northern Star

Yeah, thanks, Alex. It's really incrementally just opening up more stoping areas. So as that development you see in the, in the quarter, we've gone from sort of 2.1 km development the previous quarter to 3.2 km in the existing quarter we've just had. So the more development we get in, the more stoping areas we're bringing online, and that really gives our underground team more opportunities to keep increasing the tons. So it'll steadily increase, as we really open up more mining areas, and it's the, you know, the leading pieces, the development activities required.

So you'll just steadily keep seeing that KCGM underground, you know, ramp up to 2.5 million tons. We're absolutely very confident we'll get the 2.5 million tons that this, this year's step change over the course of the year.

Alex Papaioanou
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Great. Thanks. That's it for me.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we're showing no further questions. I'll hand the conference back to Stuart for closing remarks.

Stuart Tonkin
Managing Director and CEO, Northern Star

Okay, and, thanks for joining us all on the call today, and I look forward to updating you as we continue to advance a profitable organic growth strategy. Have a great day.

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