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Earnings Call: H1 2022

Feb 13, 2022

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Welcome everyone to the call as we present Praemium's financial and business results for the first half of financial year 2022. On the call today, we have our CFO, Paul Gutteridge, and myself, Anthony Wamsteker, CEO. While I won't dwell on the slide with the disclaimer, I do ask you to note the disclaimer, which can be read at your leisure when reviewing the release on the ASX website. Praemium's business consists of three major segments or product lines. Our proprietary wealth management technology sold as a software as a service, and which performs the basis of the other two segments, investment platform and portfolio administration. We continue to own and develop all the core essential elements of the technology required to serve the three segments. The full benefits of a platform to financial advisors and their clients are only realized when the technology can administer all investment assets.

Otherwise, the platform is only a partial solution, needing to be supplemented with other tools that typically add significant and complex interfaces and manual workarounds. The breadth of our offering is a key competitive advantage. Another key aspect of our offering is our market leading managed account capability. Consistent with what we have stated for several years now, managed accounts are an essential component in the overall platform segment, delivering significant improvement in efficiency for financial advisors. This view is bearing fruit with managed accounts being, by far, the fastest growing component in the platform sector. Looking at the agenda, today, I'll be providing a summary of the business highlights from the last half year. Then I'll turn over to our CFO, Paul Gutteridge, for more detail on our financial results.

I will then give a business update and talk about our focus for the year ahead, including the outlook for the remainder of financial year 2022. Before we close, we'll allow some time for questions from analysts. This half year has seen a continuation of the shift from old legacy platforms to modern independent platforms. We expect this shift has much further to run, which will continue to be a material tailwind for our business. We also saw the completion of what we regard as a one-off step change in our cost base. The largest driver of the expense growth in this half year was the completion of an existing program to fill over 20 vacant roles, which aim to increase our service levels and fast-track our technology development schedule. Service level is the most important criteria in judging a platform.

We have received consistent client feedback over the last six months that our service has improved as a result of successfully executing on this program, a fact that is also confirmed through our quantitative metrics. The service improvement was an important step in ensuring the sustainability of our long-term growth rate. The tight conditions in the labor market also led to a larger than usual increase in wage rates during the past six months. We are confident that our future revenue growth will be accompanied by far lower rates of expense growth, leading to stronger EBITDA and an expansion of our margins from this half onwards. The sale of the international business is proceeding according to the schedule, and the board is considering the options for returning surplus capital to shareholders once the sale completes.

The growth we have seen, not just in the past six months, but a strong build-up over recent years, is a testament to a sales team that is achieving strong productivity gains as their experience with Praemium grows. While this slide focuses on the platform components, it is also pleasing that over AUD 200 billion in assets is now administered on our proprietary technology. Looking at our development priorities for the last half year, it's important to note what we're focused on, which is extending our areas of strength and competitive advantage. The developments mentioned on this slide go to our leadership in digital, reporting, non-custodial, managed account, and interfacing capabilities. Importantly, the COVID, and hopefully soon the post-COVID environment, has increased the importance of these particular areas for advisors. I'll now hand over to Paul to go through the financial results in some detail.

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Thanks, Anthony, and good morning to everyone on the call today. It's important to note that the results detailed on slide nine include the business as a whole, with both the Australian and international segments included for the purposes of comparison to the prior year. I will then cover the Australian and international segments separately on the following slides. The first half result can be summarized based on two key themes. The first being another half of strong top-line momentum. The second theme is the business has continued to invest to support our accelerating growth rate, including a one-off step change in costs to recruit unfilled vacancies, as Anthony just referred to. In terms of key financial results, you'll note on the table on the left, net revenue grew by 25% to AUD 39.2 million.

Largely driven by platform revenue, which increased by 33% this half, as reflected in the product revenue graph on this slide. Gross margins increased 23% to AUD 26.9 million, and the gross margin percentage to revenue was 68.5%. A slight decline from the prior period following the inclusion of a full half of Powerwrap and investments in operations to support growth and service. If we look at the key expense categories on the table, ongoing R&D investment and a reduction in R&D projects capitalized, saw IT expenditure increase to AUD 5.4 million. We continued our focus on sales and marketing, which totaled AUD 8.3 million, a 20% increase from the prior period.

You'll note that G&A increased to AUD 5.7 million, and while this was an increase in dollar terms from the inclusion of Powerwrap and one-off recruitment costs, G&A continues to leverage down as a percentage of revenue from 15% in the prior year to 14% in this half. Therefore, underlying EBITDA was AUD 7.5 million, an increase of 6% compared to the prior period of AUD 7.1 million. Also detailed below is the underlying EBITDA of both the continuing and discontinuing segments, which I'll talk to in detail on the following slides. Below EBITDA, you'll note cost categories including amortization, which includes amortization of software intangibles and lease assets, and higher transaction costs relating to the divestment of the international business. As a result, our reported NPAT was a loss of AUD 2.6 million.

If we move now to slide 10, this details the Australian segment result, which includes the continuing operations of the Australian, Armenian, and now the Shenzhen operations, with the prior year results also restated to reflect this change. The current half also includes six months of results for Powerwrap, compared to four months for the prior reported half. If we refer to the table on the left, the key results for the Australian segment were: revenue of AUD 30.3 million, which is an increase of 21%, with good growth achieved across all products. In particular, platform revenue increased 31% to AUD 21.7 million. This was driven by FUA growth of 28%.

Platform margins, inclusive of fees and trading recoveries, remained consistent for the Praemium platform at 34 basis points, with the overall platform revenue margin of 23 basis points after the contribution of Powerwrap's 17 basis points. You'll note that portfolio services revenue achieved AUD 8.5 million, up 7%, with VMA software up 5%, and VMA administration revenue increasing 28% from continued portfolio growth. Segment EBITDA was AUD 8.2 million for the half, with an EBITDA margin of 27% to revenue. EBITDA declined 6% from the prior half, with the key movements represented by the graph on the right. These include, you'll note continued revenue growth as previously outlined, and a further positive EBITDA contribution from Powerwrap, with the ongoing integration of the acquired business delivering synergies.

Some of this revenue growth has been reinvested back into the business, with a 39% increase in operations expenses to support client growth and to fill vacancies following the COVID disruptions. With an ongoing commitment to R&D, we saw increased IT headcount costs and higher IT support costs. This half also saw lower R&D capitalization from expenditure on regulatory projects that is unable to be capitalized. Finally, we continued our investment in sales and marketing, which continue to generate improving revenue results. If I now turn to slide 11, which is our international segment. The international segment results include the discontinued operations of the U.K., Jersey, Hong Kong, and Dubai, with the pending completion of transaction conditions later in the year, the business will be sold to Morningstar.

As noted in the table, net revenue was AUD 8.9 million, an increase of 41%. This comprised platform revenue of AUD 5.4 million, which increased by 52%, and planning software revenue of AUD 2.1 million, an increase of 91% from WealthCraft license growth and the finalization of a Hong Kong-based contract. This revenue growth delivered a 94% improvement in EBITDA, which achieved a loss of AUD 0.1 million for the half. This positive trajectory in the international business has underpinned the realized outcome for shareholders via the sale to Morningstar. If we now move to slide 12, you'll note that our this table reflects our cash flow for the half.

If we refer to the table on the left, the company has maintained positive cash generation with an operating cash flow of AUD 2.5 million at the top line. After income tax payments and divestment and restructuring costs, the net operating cash flow was negative AUD 0.1 million. You'll note that R&D incentives for the U.K. will now be received in the second half. The split of continuing and discontinued operating cash flow is also detailed at the bottom table. Investing cash flows includes R&D CapEx of AUD 2.9 million from continuing projects across Australia, but as noted earlier, was lower due to specific regulatory projects this half. Closing cash was AUD 19.4 million, with strong cash reserves to support growth.

As Anthony touched on, the proceeds of the international business divestment are also expected in calendar 2022, and we'll touch on that in a later slide. If we turn to slide 13, the final slide from me highlights our strong and stable balance sheet position that will enable it to pursue a pipeline of growth opportunities. The key change this half is that the balance sheet of the international business is now disclosed as a financial asset or liability held for sale. As you can see, we continue to maintain strong cash reserves to meet our regulatory requirement across the group. We also retain tax losses of AUD 9 million and franking credits of AUD 13 million, which are able to be utilized in future periods.

Finally, one-off costs are detailed on the bottom table, with the majority relating to legal and advisory costs from the international business sale. With that, I will hand back to Anthony to cover our looking forward.

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Thanks, Paul. We'll look at our objectives for the following or the current six months and our outlook for the rest of the year. To summarize where we're at, our leadership lies in areas which are growing in importance as well as market share. The key areas that are starting to become more and more important in the platform market overall are things like non-custodial asset management, managed accounts, and the high-net-worth segment. We have been consolidating our leadership position to ensure sustainable long-term growth. With the assets in our proprietary technology now exceeding AUD 200 billion, we're also developing the artificial intelligence or machine learning capabilities, which are beginning to yield some important insights, which are very valuable for advisors. As I mentioned earlier, the structural tailwinds which support our recent growth look like continuing for some time.

The numbers on this page illustrate the opportunity going forward. We believe that Praemium remains well positioned to benefit from these trends. On this page, we highlight some of the key growth numbers, specifically for the Australian business. We're excited by the ongoing momentum and the ability to focus exclusively on the large opportunity pipeline for the Australian business moving forward. In terms of the international divestment, it's proceeding according to the previously indicated transaction timetable, with completion expected in the second or third quarter of calendar 2022. Following completion of the sale, the board intends to return surplus capital to shareholders. Looking forward, we continue to see strong platform momentum in terms of flows and revenues based on our leading technology and service offering.

Based on the momentum we are seeing and the investment we have made to consolidate our business, we provide underlying EBITDA guidance of AUD 16.5 million-AUD 18.5 million for the full financial year 2022. The guidance is based on an expectation that revenue will increase faster than expenses in the second half. We envisage that the Powerwrap synergies will move from the current level of AUD 3.3 million to AUD 4 million annualized by 30th of June. The balance of AUD 6 million in total synergies is expected to emerge progressively over financial year 2023 through a combination of staff departures from natural attrition and not needing to grow staff numbers as would otherwise be the case without the synergies. It is expected that Praemium will be in a strong position to introduce a dividend policy from financial year 2023.

Thank you for your attendance, and we will now open the meeting to questions from analysts.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, press star two. If you are on a speakerphone, please pick up your handset and ask your question. Your first question comes from Nick McGarrigle from Barrenjoey. Please go ahead.

Nicholas McGarrigle
Founding Partner, Co-Head of Research and Co-Head of Emerging Companies Research, Barrenjoey

Good day, team. Just a question around the Australian segment. Probably a few questions around that segment. Just in terms of the cost step-up, can you just break that down for us, in terms of maybe what, Anthony, you saw when you came into the business and where that additional investment was needed? Because it's obviously been a really significant step-up and rebasing of that cost base.

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Sure. Thanks, Nick. Probably most of the over 20 staff were operations. You know, well, maybe about half of the 20 staff were in operations. That goes to the service levels that I talked about before. In IT, there was quite a few team in tech and so they were the two major areas. A little bit in the other areas that, you know, spread reasonably evenly, sales, marketing, and the general support services. If you think of it as probably about half the total number came out of the operations area and then maybe another half of the rest or a bit more in-

Nicholas McGarrigle
Founding Partner, Co-Head of Research and Co-Head of Emerging Companies Research, Barrenjoey

Sure.

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

the IT area.

Nicholas McGarrigle
Founding Partner, Co-Head of Research and Co-Head of Emerging Companies Research, Barrenjoey

I guess the reason for that step-up, you know, where were there deficiencies in that cost base to support the current level of flow and the growth in flow? It's been a, you know, I think it came as, it would've come as a shock to, analysts and investors, just how big that step-up was. Just in terms of the decision around pushing harder on that cost base, is it more around supporting existing flow, or is it about leveraging growth? Just to give us a sense of why that step-up in investment was made.

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

First of all, part of it was a decent chunk of it was vacancies that had developed through the COVID environment rather than absolute new roles, although there was a little bit of the new roles. If I take the operations initially, we really felt that we had to make sure we were at the top of the pack in terms of service levels, client service levels. Some of the challenges we were having, you know, we weren't top of the pack in terms of the service ratings. When we looked at the difficulties, most of them came down to, you know, not having all the roles filled.

When all the roles weren't filled, you know, turnaround times were much longer than we aspire to on responding to client inquiries. In terms of how much of that was supporting existing levels of business and how much was for the growth, there's no doubt that part of it is for onboarding and related activities. You know, every new client, every new advisor takes quite a bit of work. There was that aspect that you know we want the client's first experience when they join us to be a very positive experience.

Of the total in operations, that was a decent, you know, a decent chunk of it, but some of it was also for just managing the book and making sure we don't have vacancies in the operations area, which leads to service difficulties.

Nicholas McGarrigle
Founding Partner, Co-Head of Research and Co-Head of Emerging Companies Research, Barrenjoey

Just in terms of the EBITDA margin, obviously down a reasonable amount on last year. I think the second half implication by the guidance is that the margin obviously remains lower. Just around the longer term profile, I think when you acquired Powerwrap and talked about integrating the businesses, there was an ambition to get well above 40%, which you were close to previously and within the Praemium business. Can you give us a sense of, is this step up a new rebasing of margins, or is it a sort of short-term reset with a longer term trajectory of getting back to that, you know, well into the 40s?

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

I don't feel like the longer term trajectory is impacted by what we've done over the last 12 months. I think we are confident that we now have the scale where the revenue growth that we should continue to expect to see won't need to be matched by the same growth in expenses. It was just that predominantly filling vacant roles that led to it growing this time. It gets back to the trade-off between clawing a few extra basis points in margin this time round or saying, "Well, if we leave the vacancies there for another few months, the margin looks a bit better, but we damage our reputation amongst the advisor community." You know, once you

If you go too far down the curve of not being known for good service, it's very hard to recover. On the contrary, you know, I think we're now certainly the feedback we're getting is that we're doing a great job for our advisors on service, and we wanna maintain that. Longer term, I, you know, I don't, it doesn't feel like the business has to grow staff a lot, you know. Like, this is not our forecast, but, you know, I think, when I look at expectations of our revenue growth, it's in the order of 20% to 30% people had for the full year. And I think they were expecting our growth anywhere between 15% and the same 30% growth.

You know, there was a wide range of expectations on what might happen for the full year. We're in the camp of thinking that longer-term full-year revenue grows faster, not just in absolute dollar terms, but in percentage terms than expenses. We had to rightsize to the scale that we had. Once we rightsize to the scale that we have now, you know, taking the lower end of those sorts of expectations, 20% growth in revenue, we're in the camp of thinking longer term our business will run at a much lower expense growth rate. As I say, not just in dollars, but in percentage more like, you know, 10% to 15%, for the next few years.

Nicholas McGarrigle
Founding Partner, Co-Head of Research and Co-Head of Emerging Companies Research, Barrenjoey

Okay. Can you give us some color on the transition of clients from the Powerwrap technology and onto the SMA or the sort of go-forward technology architecture? How are those client conversations going?

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

The conversations are going very well. The process is we have migrated the superannuation fund assets, and we've migrated the team. You know, the Powerwrap team is now in the Praemium operations world, which was only in the second half of last year that we did it. The client conversations have gone well, but we haven't opened up the new IDPS for new investment yet. We're going through the rigorous testing phase that we would expect. So far the clients have been very supportive of the transition to the new IDPS, and we're not envisaging that that will produce any difficulties, although obviously it's a big step and we won't be complacent about it.

Nicholas McGarrigle
Founding Partner, Co-Head of Research and Co-Head of Emerging Companies Research, Barrenjoey

Just in terms of the tax positioning around the sale of the international business, has that changed or evolved since the initial announcement?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Yeah. Hi, Nick. Paul here. It's still obviously being worked through as part of the completion requirement. Obviously, we're looking at a number of factors in terms of intercompany loans and how that then flows through into proceeds distribution. It is being worked on as we speak. Certainly once we have a view, we'll certainly be updating the market in terms of the most appropriate action going forward.

Nicholas McGarrigle
Founding Partner, Co-Head of Research and Co-Head of Emerging Companies Research, Barrenjoey

Cool. Just one question back on the IT staff growth. It was 77%. Can you give us a sense on how much of that was just an inflation in salary and pay expectations from the existing team versus the hiring of new teams and just trends around that?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Yeah. In terms of the split of R&D, there's a number of components in that 77%. Obviously some of it is the fact that we have capitalized less than we have in previous halves. We touched on that. Obviously, regulatory projects you're required to expense as opposed to capitalize. We did increase headcount costs. That was up 25%, as we note in the slide, with about less than half of that being inflation based. The remainder is related to additional people. Then the other component you'll see was an increase in IT support costs. As we brought on more people, obviously there's licensing costs, and there's obviously more cloud-based costs that are relating to total staff that obviously flow into the IT component.

There's a little bit of step-up for growth of staff. There is a few moving components as opposed to. As Anthony said, we certainly think R&D there won't be any significant step-ups from here. It's really just some of the phasing of the R&D and some of the IT costs when you're bringing Powerwrap and Praemium together.

Nicholas McGarrigle
Founding Partner, Co-Head of Research and Co-Head of Emerging Companies Research, Barrenjoey

Cool. Maybe just to underscore the point, 'cause I guess it's one that's quite topical today with people, is that glide path back towards 40% EBITDA margins. Do you have a rough expectation on when you think that's achievable in the current context of the cost base?

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

We haven't mapped it out in that exact way, Nick. As I say, you know, when we look at analyst expectations on our result for the full year, there's a gap between, you know, most, not quite all, but most expected revenue growth as a percentage to be stronger than expense growth for the full year. Some were relatively the same. You know, while that's not what we've delivered in the first half, we do expect that to continue in the second half. You've just got to map out, you know, a gap and the sensitivity of that gap.

You know, if you're getting 20% and your expenses are 10% versus 15% growth, you've just got to map that out when it hits the 40%. It's, you know, that's still where we would expect to be longer term. Absolutely. You know, I think my gut feel is that's probably three years, but I haven't mapped out the numbers right now. Something I can do later in the day.

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Yeah, I think that would be, that'd be useful, maybe over time. I might let some other people ask questions and come back later if there's no other one.

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Thanks, Nick.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Nic Burgess from Ord Minnett. Please go ahead.

Nicolas Burgess
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Yeah, morning. Morning, Anthony. Morning, Paul. Just a couple of questions. Just on this, Shenzhen cost that you've called out, what was the actual quantum of that cost? And just confirming this is a reallocation of cost, not a new cost in the half.

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Yeah, Nick, Paul here. That's right. It is absolutely a reallocation. Obviously, we've traditionally had Shenzhen in the Asia or international segment. As part of the sale, we are keeping Shenzhen. In terms of the cost base for this half, it was just under AUD 500,000. If you compare that to this time last year, it was AUD 400,000. The movement, certainly not material, just under AUD 100,000 movement. In terms of your modeling, yeah, you should factor in just under AUD 500,000 for Shenzhen.

Nicolas Burgess
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

When the international business is sold, that comes out. Is that right?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

No. What will happen is the Hong Kong entity will be sold as part of the deal. We will retain the Shenzhen office as part of a transition project, so obviously, as we transition some of the IT services to Morningstar. We would expect over time that the Shenzhen office would then be wound down once that transition is completed. That's probably still from today, probably as you know, just over 12 months. It's counted as continuing operations today, but it will be classified as discontinuing once we move into the transition phase.

Nicolas Burgess
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Oh, okay. I mean, the release read more like it was gonna be closed as soon as the international business was sold, but you're saying it's gonna be more like a 12-month sort of phase down?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Yeah. There is a transition component as part of the sale. That's correct.

Nicolas Burgess
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Yep. Okay. Just in terms of guidance, you implied guidance EBITDA of AUD 7 million-AUD 11 million in the second half. Just what are you assuming on the international sale in terms of a date? I guess the broader question is, what do you, given volatile, you know, equity markets at the moment, what are you assuming in terms of business momentum and flows in the second half?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

In terms of, maybe I'll start with the international business. Obviously, with completion ongoing, we've assumed that we'll have the international business for the remainder of this financial year. In terms of markets, obviously, you know, our platform revenue, you know, will be moving up and down relative to markets, but I suppose the underlying flows, as you can see, have been strong. Obviously, there have been 30%, platform growth in the Australian segment. There's been, you know, 40% to 50% growth in the international segment, obviously off a lower number. You know, we still are seeing a strong pipeline. We are seeing strong inflows. Obviously, our modeling, you can see that I suppose lower end of the range is really, you know, on the basis of a conservative approach to markets.

Should markets kind of, you know, maintain their current position, then we're comfortable with that guidance range as it stands.

Nicolas Burgess
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Okay. Just in terms of flows then, you're saying sort of a continuation of first half trends rather than necessarily a, another step up in momentum?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Well, obviously what you get in the second half is you've got a higher FUA base that flows into revenue. In terms of flows, Nick, look, you can see the trend has been a consistent building of platform inflows, so we're not saying it's going to be like for like. We certainly do expect our platform momentum to continue.

Nicolas Burgess
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Yeah. Okay. Just back on the cost base, presumably there's some defense or advice costs somewhere in there relating to the takeover attempt by Netwealth. Just wondering where you've accounted for those, above the line or below the line?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Yeah. That's below the line. You'll see that in the kind of one-off costs on slide 13. You'll see there's a breakdown of the divestment-related costs. Then the second line, it relates to more acquisition or takeover defense-related costs. You'll see that on slide 13.

Nicolas Burgess
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Yep. Okay. Last question, just on operating cash flow. Operating cash flow of AUD 2.5, you know, it's halved from the previous half and EBITDA of AUD 7.5. It seems low, you know, in terms of every comparison that you could do. Just some, perhaps explanation as to what's going on with some operating cash flow issues.

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

In terms of nothing too sinister, Nick. There's obviously some working capital movements. We have received some collections in early January, which obviously didn't flow into the half. There's nothing of particular note. I suppose the main call out is that second line on the cash flow table is the R&D incentive. We would traditionally receive that in the first half, but that's been delayed a couple of weeks. We'll expect that, you know, within the March timeframe. Nothing of particular note there, Nick.

Nicolas Burgess
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Yeah. Okay. Lastly, what's the rough quantum of the R&D you've expected?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Similar to the number of last year's, around AUD 800,000 per annum. We are looking to finalize the FY 2020 and the FY 2021 together. You know, it will be over AUD 1 million once we receive both.

Nicolas Burgess
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Warren Jeffries from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Warren Jeffries
Senior Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Oh, good day, Paul and Anthony. Guys, just most of them have been answered, but with the R&D incentive payment, how have you treated that from a continuing operations point of view in the EBITDA you've done on a continuing basis?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Hi, Warren, Paul here. You'll see it's in the discontinued. The UK incentive-

Warren Jeffries
Senior Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Right.

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

You'll see that as other income on that table for the international segment.

Warren Jeffries
Senior Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Yep.

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Obviously we've accrued the income, but we're just waiting on the cash to receive in the next few weeks.

Warren Jeffries
Senior Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Very good. The guidance just, I think we touched on it just then, the guidance is for the overall group at the moment, not a continuing basis in the second half?

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Yes, it is, Warren.

Warren Jeffries
Senior Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Right. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Lafitani Sotiriou from MST Financial. Please go ahead.

Lafitani Sotiriou
Senior Emerging Analyst, MST Financial

Oh, good day, guys. Just to follow up on that guidance, are we able to get a rough split as to what the continuing and the international business estimates are for that guidance that's been set?

Paul Gutteridge
CFO, Praemium

Yeah. Hi, Paul here. I don't have that at hand. Obviously we've done it on the basis of a group basis, assuming the international business retains across the remainder of the financial year. I don't have that at hand.

Lafitani Sotiriou
Senior Emerging Analyst, MST Financial

All right. Moving on to the Netwealth approach. For shareholders that are a bit disappointed that discussions didn't pursue, are you able to give us some feedback as to what the key thinking of the board was during that period?

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Yeah. Thanks, Laf. Look, pretty much we've spelled out our view, which is that we understand the argument about scale, and we certainly understand why our business would be attractive to them because of some of the segments that we provide market leadership or we believe we're the market leader in. We've said that, you know, at the right price we would engage, but it's not at, you know. It was a scrip offer, of course. Or a scrip indicative offer. You know, at the moment, we feel, you know, that's giving a share price of about AUD 1.30. We spent a lot of time even before, but after the approach, talking to our shareholders, particularly the larger shareholders.

The feedback we've got is certainly, you know, we would expect at a higher price there would be some level of engagement, but not at the, as I say, the equivalent of about AUD 1.30 that we're looking at at the moment.

Lafitani Sotiriou
Senior Emerging Analyst, MST Financial

The market environment has changed and you haven't delivered the best results. You're saying that you would still expect a bid in order to initiate discussions north of AUD 1.30 equivalent?

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Yes. Yes, we would. We feel, you know, that's what our shareholders are asking of us as well.

Lafitani Sotiriou
Senior Emerging Analyst, MST Financial

Yeah. Okay. Do you think it's the right decision to be selling the international business? I mean, it's your best performing division. It's hard. It's largely break even. Do you think it was the right call to sell it?

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Yes, we still feel very comfortable with that decision. Yeah.

Lafitani Sotiriou
Senior Emerging Analyst, MST Financial

All right. Thanks for your time.

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Thanks, Laf.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Ladies and gentlemen, as there are no further questions at this time, I will now hand over back to Mr. Wamsteker for closing comments.

Anthony Wamsteker
CEO, Praemium

Well, once again, thanks, everyone, for your attendance on the call, and I hope you have a good day. I look forward to being in touch with many of you, as we move forward. Thank you.

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