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Earnings Call: Q3 2025

Apr 23, 2025

Operator

Recording in progress.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

A good quarter, this one. First quarter of cash flow positive. The format will be as usual. Please submit your questions via the Q&A throughout the presentation. Bruce will have around a 15, 20-minute presentation, and we'll dive straight into that Q&A. Bruce, why don't you take it away, and then we'll get engaged with the audience after.

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Right. Thanks a lot, Peter, and thanks everyone for joining. Yeah, as Peter said, certainly the March quarter was a significant quarter for us. First, a significant turnaround in terms of zircon sales quarter on quarter of, well, even, let's be honest, half on quarter on half. We're having really struggled with sales in the second half of calendar year 2024. Very, very strong recovery in the March quarter. As a result, largely of having additional customers, which has made a big difference to our customer base, therefore brought a base of people to sell to. We saw that with the very strong sales in the quarter. As a result of those sales, first quarter of operating cash flow positive from the project, which was very pleasing. The other pieces, which we'll focus a lot on today, is we now have the forward plan.

I think we've spoken on a few of these calls about the challenges we had and the need to come up with a plan for how we were going to ultimately overcome the oversize challenge, etc. We obviously have come up with that now, and pleasingly, it doesn't require a lot of capital. We will talk through that, spend a bit of time on that to make sure it's understood what we're going to do and in what timeframe and why we're confident that that ultimately will deliver a robust production outlook for us in the future. With that as sort of introductory remarks, I will step through the usual presentation. Just at the start, I mean, as always, as I say, I presume most people on the call know who Sheffield Resources are, but we are mineral sands focused.

Our primary asset is the Thunderbird project, which is part of a 50/50 Kimberley Mineral Sands joint venture, currently producing circa 900,000 tons a year of concentrates from 10 million tons of ore. We will talk a lot about it today, but we do have a plan to grow that up to 16 million tons a year of mining, producing over a million tons of products per annum. There is still more potential in the reserve. Ultimately, that will partly, but not fully utilize a reserve at Thunderbird. We do have our other interests. We continue to work on the option in Brazil, progressing both the resource statement and the PFS, and our ongoing interest in Capital Metals, who own the project in Sri Lanka where you are currently drilling. Just a couple of pictures for orientation, as always.

Left-hand side is a recent picture of mining, actually, while I was on site in late March, near the end of one of our mining blocks. We can see the DMU, the pumping unit, and the dozers or dozer working the base of the ore there. You get a pretty good feel of the total deposit from top to bottom, starting with sort of pindang at the top and the Malago sandstone, and then into the ore layers, T1, T2, and then down to the base of the deposit. On the right-hand side, process plant, actually not really a picture of the process plant, but from the process plant looking over the ilmenite stockpile. We still had a pretty chunky ilmenite stockpile at the end of March, and that's the bit of it that was on site.

In terms of the revised business plan, the way we sort of think about this is we talked last year a lot about, or in previous things, about having really three big challenges. One was the oversize resulting in lower rough head feed, our costs being higher than expected at FID. While I do not have it on there, we have a challenge of selling zircon. Now, clearly, with our results in the or the sales of zircon in the March quarter, we are a lot more confident about our ability to sell zircon on an ongoing basis. We have a broader customer base. Here, we are focusing on the production fixes. Offsetting those negatives with some positives, we have had good process plant recoveries, and that continues.

What's new, I guess, new information that we've gleaned over trials over recent months as we've been trialing running the mine at a higher push rate, effectively demonstrating whether our dozer fleet and DMU can actually sustain a high mining rate. Using sort of 24-hour and longer tests have demonstrated that ultimately, the dozer fleet and DMU can support a mining rate of up to 16 million tons per annum. That would be after allowing for availability and so on. What we've also established is that the oversize material is essentially we're preferentially losing non-heavy mineral and certainly non-valuable heavy minerals so that there's not a lot of value in trying to further break down oversize. It's all about removing it as early as we can in the process.

Based on that, the plan that's been developed is that we will be ultimately aiming to increase the mining rate to 16 million tons per annum. We expect to achieve that on a quarterly basis, so full quarter run rate targeting the first quarter of FY 2027, so effectively July to September of 2026. There are some key steps we need to deliver that. That's obviously a ramp-up over effectively five quarters from now, including the current quarter. There are a number of elements to that plan that we need to execute. The first one was the increase in waste mining capacity. While we can sustain the sort of 10-12 million tons that we've been saying, 2.5-3 a quarter, with the existing waste mining, we would need to waste mine faster to sustain a higher mining rate.

Earlier in the year, we started drill and blast. We continue to see very good improvements in diggability with the drill and blast material. As we transition to a new contractor, as part of that, we have a larger excavator being mobilized to site along with the larger truck fleet. We are moving to a sort of 260-ton excavator and 140-ton trucks. The expectation is that when that new equipment contractor is fully mobilized in May, by the end of May, we should be able to then increase our rate of waste mining significantly and build input inventory to enable us thus to then increase the rate of mining with the DMU. Within the DMU itself, we have demonstrated that the DMU and the dozers can push the equivalent of 16 million tons and that the DMU can actually handle it.

That's partly as a result of some modifications that have continued to be made to the DMU in terms of materials of construction of certain key bits and changes to make it more reliable and to handle the higher rate and the amount of oversize. Given that we're not losing valuable heavy mineral in the oversize, there's an expectation that over time, what we'll do is likely reduce the screen size in the DMUs to remove more oversize in pit. We are looking at whether there's an optimization of oversize handling. At the moment, we use excavators to move the oversize from the back of the pit to an interim stockpile, and then they get moved by excavator and truck to the waste or to build input walls.

The opportunity may be to install a conveyor on the back of the DMU so that we do not re-handle the oversize waste. That is an optimization point. Not a lot of capital involved in either of those, and it is just about getting the best possible performance out of the DMU. At that 16 million-ton rate, based on the trials we have done and our understanding of the oversize and all of those things, that would enable us to sustain rough head feed at the original design rate of 1,085 tons an hour. In reality, we are likely to vary the mining rate to keep the process plant full.

Our expectation is that with the capacity to mine at 16 million tons an hour, we will fill the process plant, which means that what we would be doing is varying the mining rate depending on grade and so on, grade and oversize proportions to make sure that we're delivering 1,085 tons an hour consistently to the wet concentrator. With 1,085-ton feed and our current process plant performance, which is essentially above design on recoveries, we'd expect to produce between 900,000 and 950,000 tons a year of ilmenite concentrate and 220,000 to 240,000 tons a year of zircon concentrate. Both of those numbers are about 10% above the original design. Ultimately, while the expansion to the mine gets us to the design rough head feed, we expect to end up with more than original design products from that.

We have sufficient haulage and port capacity to move that volume, in particular with the port. The Kimberley Marine Supply Base, second wharf facility at Broome, is currently under construction, and that creates additional capacity. Although the current port could handle it, having the second wharf would just give us more flexibility to ship out through Broome. Overall, given increased mining rate, increased production, we're expecting unit costs to come down. There is a certain portion of our cost that is fixed. While aggregate cost will go up a bit with the extra volume, we're certainly expecting to see unit costs come down. We would expect to see some cost efficiencies as a result of that expanded production. Pleasingly, we do not anticipate material CapEx or working capital being required to implement the new plan. The modifications we are talking about to the DMU are fairly minor sort of modifications.

They sort of fall more into the category of sustaining capital rather than significant capital projects. Overall, that plan, given that it'll get us additional products above original stage one design, defers the need to consider a stage two expansion. Again, while there is clearly the potential to expand production beyond even the 16 million tons within the reserve, we don't now anticipate the implementation of stage two to be really this decade. It's likely to significantly belong beyond where it was anticipated at FID. That really reflects the fact that as a result of this expansion to 16 million tons per annum, we effectively have a very low capital expansion that will give us additional production and so reduces the need for a stage two expansion in the short term. With that, that's a lot on the forward plan.

What I'll do now is just talk a little bit about the quarter we just had in terms of production, and then what does that look like when we map the forward plan as well so you can see a little bit of the two combined and then cover off a little bit on the cash generation. In terms of the production in the quarter, this is our mined production. We have been fairly consistently mining around that 2.5 million tons per quarter. As I've mentioned earlier, we have been working with Pierce and Tini to make progressive changes to the DMU and operation and maintenance. Ultimately, we are comfortable that over time, we could, even what we're doing now, we can increase availability.

As part of our implementation of the higher push rate, we'll be able to push that to three million and beyond to four million tons per quarter ultimately. The WCP, so rough head feed, as we've said for a number of quarters, we continue to see 75% of our expected rough head feed largely as a result of the higher oversize. Grade typically has been above expected. It was a little bit lower in the March quarter. It reflected some edge effects. The particular block we were at was quite close to the edge of the deposit. We're still generally seeing grade above block model overall. In the process plant, so zircon, obviously over time, we've had forecast design capacity to slowly increase, sorry, design recovery to slowly increase.

We've sustained our recoveries higher than design, so it's converging in, but the process plant continues to perform at or above its design, both for recovery and product quality. Ilmenite, similar story, higher recovery than design, generally higher ilmenite than expected. We don't do anything in particular in the way we operate the plant. It's just how the material is performing. As a result of that, we have been getting higher than the base design or the base agreed price for this product. Although it's a fixed price contract, the price is per % titanium dioxide, and the price is actually higher if the product is higher quality. If we're selling a plus 40%, shipping a plus 40% ilmenite concentrate to Yansteel, we actually get more than $123 a tonne, and we've seen that in the recent quarter.

When we combine sort of what's actually been happening in the history with what we're forecasting going forward, essentially, this is the tonnes mined. We're thinking at 2.5. We expect in the current quarter with improved availability to be pushing up a bit beyond that. Ultimately, as I said in the first quarter of FY2027, aiming to be able to sustain four million tons per quarter of mined material. A significant increase over where we've been. As I said, with the current oversize, 75% oversize, we expect to get, sorry, 75% of forecast rough head feed. That will translate into achieving our design rough head feed of 1,085. Effectively, expanding the four million tons per quarter fills our process plant. On zircon concentrate production, again, production and sales, production has been growing steadily.

I guess the variability has been on sales, and we're all aware of that. You see the Q3 sales of over 80,000 tons was not just a record, but effectively represented pretty much six months of sales at our current production rate, a big catch-up on particularly the sales from the first quarter of FY 2025. That really reflected the fact that we have more customers. We're forecasting in the Q4 to ship 40,000-50,000 tons, essentially ship what we produce, potentially a bit of the remaining excess inventory. There is not a lot of excess inventory left. We had just over 20,000 tons of inventory at the end of March, and we would expect normal inventory levels to be about 10,000 tons, sometimes a bit higher if there is a shipment early in the following due and a bit less if a shipment's just been made.

With the Q1 FY 2027, as I said, we're expecting 55,000-60,000 tons a quarter of zircon concentrate, which is the 220,000-240,000 per annum. We're expecting to sell what we produce. Obviously, in the past as well, can you be sure you can sell the extra product? Now, while markets are always uncertain, etc., the fact that we shipped over 80,000 tons in a quarter does give us confidence that ultimately selling 55,000-60,000 tons a quarter is not something we've not done effectively. We can be reasonably confident that as we grow that production, there should be a market there for that product. We come to ilmenite. This is a similar story, a bit more variability in production. This just reflects the fact that the ilmenite production largely is what it is. It comes out the side of the process plant.

We produce what we produce. Generally, shipping what we've been producing in the March quarter, we deliberately deferred one ilmenite shipment basically to prioritize zircon sales. There was a short outage at Broome late in the month. We expect to catch that up in the current quarter. We are looking to ship significant volume in the current quarter. In fact, what would be equivalent to or above our record shipments for ilmenite and to be producing sort of in line with what we've been doing, if not a little bit above. By Q1 FY 2027, looking at that 900,000-950,000 tons a year equivalent of zircon, of ilmenite concentrate, all of which will go to Yansteel under the existing take-or-pay agreement. In terms of cash flow for Q3, very different cash flow chart to the one we've been showing previously.

Fairly obviously, revenue being higher than OpEx on a cash flow basis means we generated operating cash flow of $32 million. It's worth noting that the revenue and the off-take prepay are understated in this chart because we did settle part of the prepay with physical products, so there's no cash effect. In fact, the operating cash flow was actually higher than is shown in this chart. We repaid one of the two facilities from Yansteel. We still have an $8 million, sorry, yeah, we still have an $8 million facility in place, and we did settle part of, as I've just said, we did settle some of the prepay with physical product.

We continue to have the ability or support of Yansteel, and to the extent they're required, we would expect to be able to, or KMS would expect to be able to utilize a prepayment facility from Yansteel to support short-term working capital needs for the business. I mentioned before inventory. We do still have, I'd say, a little bit above normal inventory for both products. Zircon, about 10,000 tons. Ilmenite, normal ilmenite shipments, it's probably about right. We normally expect to have about one month of stock. 75 is a little bit of one month's shipments of stock. 75 is a bit above that, but timing of shipments, it'll always be a bit above or a bit below depending on the timing of the shipment. Most of the CapEx is going into the tailings storage facility and the input wall construction.

Effectively, input, it's taking waste and depositing it to create the walls, which will eventually form our input tailing cells. Probably last point to make on this, we did pay two interest payments in this quarter because we had deferred an interest payment, first of all, from September to December, and then December was into the current quarter. We paid, sorry, into the March quarter, we paid both of those in this quarter. There was no interest outstanding at the end of the quarter. Cash ended up more or less where it started, basically because we've used a significant amount of the operating cash flow developed to repay the off-take and clear, ensure that we were up to date with all of our interest payments.

I mean, a very, very healthy quarter, but recognizing the fact that we sold significantly more zircon than we would normally sell given that we were on—it was a catch-up quarter. I think that's probably a good place to leave it. Peter, happy to take questions.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Brilliant. Thanks, Bruce. Let's just sort of in terms of the zircon sales for this quarter. How much of that was due to new customers and how much of it, well, obviously, we had Chinese New Year this quarter as well. Just trying to get a feel for sort of why we saw so much demand in Q1.

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Look, it was largely due to new customers. I mean, we're still shipping some to existing customers, but effectively, yes, Chinese New Year was in there, which meant there were some timing effects. Actually, Chinese New Year was in late January. We shipped a lot of product in February and March post-Chinese New Year, which is quite common. We've certainly seen, I'm trying to think in that quarter, but I think most of the 86,000 tons or 81 dry tons went to new customers rather than existing customers. We effectively used that new demand to introduce product and get people to take who hadn't taken the product before to take material volumes.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. I'm following up. We've got an audience question here, which follows on quite nicely from that one. They realize zircon price increased by $1 per ton despite Iluka quoting a 7% decrease in premium zircon. What was the driver for Thunderbird's resilient zircon pricing, noting that contained ZrO2 in produced zircon concentrate was slightly stronger than previous periods?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Yeah. Look, so there's a little bit of a quality effect taking place. We did, I think, ship a little bit more, but in reality, I know there's a lot of the market commentary was we've seen prices going down Q- on-Q . What we saw was that we'd said it previously. We'd seen our price in the first quarter, the March quarter, would be similar to what it was in the December, and it was, and we're seeing that now. We haven't seen a lot of pushback from customers at current pricing levels. I think part of it is that ultimately concentrates is, I mean, we're shipping into China. Concentrates is what most of the, I mean, China's becoming a concentrate market. So I think there is a different pressure on zircon pricing than there is on concentrate pricing necessarily.

I also think as well, we saw a bit of a catch-up effect. I think we saw other people's prices were still coming down, perhaps to meet the market a little bit. Certainly, we're sort of seeing a stable pricing environment at the moment for the concentrate products.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. Good. Obviously, let's talk a little bit more about the business improvement plan. Ramping up to 16 million tons per annum. Have you done any testing on the plant to see how it handles that sort of throughput?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Yeah. That's part of what we've done as the tests have been run. You can imagine if we've been pushing the equivalent of 16 million tons per annum into the DMU, we've been getting the undersize generated. We've actually operated the, so in those test periods, we've had close to and around the design feed, and that's allowed us to see what the WCP will do if you put 1,085 tons an hour in it. Out of that, what I'd say is we've demonstrated most bits were fine. As always, when you run flat out like that, you identify the odd bottleneck, effectively the way things are set up. We've used those trials to identify those and make minor tweaks in the plan to handle it. We're very confident the WCP can handle that production.

We have also taken the opportunity to run the cup at the higher rate to reflect the fact that it can actually consume all of the concentrate if we have all of the HMC we have produced. Equally, we have seen that as well. We have been able to run trials to demonstrate that the system end-to-end, at least over a short period of time, can sustain the 16 million tons per hour. There is no particular reason why we would not expect it to sustain it over longer once we get to that consistent production rate. Essentially, the way we think about it today is if you think about that ramp-up, why you do not go straight to 16 million tons is ultimately we need to relax the waste constraint and then get ahead.

We need to create some input inventory, get that sustained and running so we know we can clear the waste fast enough, and then ultimately build up the mining rate steadily to the 16 so that as you're stepping up, if you're going to run the 12 million tons per annum equivalent for a full quarter, do that, make sure that everything's working, and just keep moving it up. It is a sustained sort of careful, responsible ramp-up rather than just trying to running too fast, too quickly.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Yep. Good. There are a few more questions here. There have been a few questions that I think would probably not be allowed under ASX listing rules. Just bear in mind that obviously we can't say things that haven't been press releases or are pretty materializing. Following on from that, there is another question there that is really about the confidence level. Essentially, they're saying, obviously, the 16 million tons per annum target using the same dose of fleet and DMU, what gives you the confidence that you can get a 60% increase in productivity?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

I mean, effectively, we've demonstrated it. When I was on site, we were pushing at that rate. The plant handled it. There was no sign that the DMU was struggling to handle that sort of volume. I think we've done the trials to show that we're continuing to do them. We're doing periodic trials of the higher rate. The more you demonstrate it, the more you learn. Certainly, all the trials indicate that that's a sustainable rate, that the system can handle it, that there's nothing, we're not going to break anything by doing it. Yeah, we've demonstrated that it's possible.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. Good. Something else I wanted to touch on as well was, obviously, the plant's been running above design capacity at the moment. Do you think, how confident are you that that can continue doing so when it is at max capacity?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Above design recovery rather than above design capacity. Yeah. I think, look, again, what we've seen when we've had higher feed, obviously, you have to appreciate that when you're running, your set points and so on will change. What we've seen is that when we've run it, when we've had those opportunities to run at those higher rates, the recovery is, the plant has still performed well. What we've seen in terms of bottlenecks has been more about where you see the volume. Do you have enough? Are you able to, does the material clear quickly enough from somewhere? You just have to look at orientation of an outlet pipe, those sorts of things.

We have not really seen any indication that the over-recovery is because the plant is running under throughput, that when we have had high throughput through the plant, we have still got good recoveries.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. One here from Chris Baker. How did the wet season impact production?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Yeah. I mean, I think everyone knows we did have the one we formally advised the market that we had a gas-related shutdown when the road north of Port Hedland closed, and we did not get LNG imports for a few days. Overall, I think the wet season is certainly, from a practical perspective, the guys on site. I mean, it is a challenge managing through the wet season. We had what would probably be considered a normal wet. There was quite a lot of rain. The pit gets wet. There is a lot of trackability issues and things like that. Ultimately, they managed through that fine. We had the gas interruption. I think we had one other significant rain event where we actually suspended mining operations for a period of time just to protect the plant.

We have a very pretty sophisticated weather planning process in terms of progressively suspending non-critical activities. What we did find at a number of occasions during the wet season, we will suspend haulage operations. You can imagine an unsealed road, the big heavy trucks, 120-ton net loads. Running them on the wet road is not good for the road. We more frequently suspended trucking operations during particularly heavy rain or immediately after and then started up again. We have always allowed for that in our operating model, so it did not ultimately cause any delay. I think overall, not because it is easy. There was a lot of good work by the operating team, but they managed through the wet season very well.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. Good. Another question here. Hi, Bruce. What sort of percentage reduction in unit mining and processing costs are you expecting post the implementation of the improvement program in Q1 FYE 2026?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

FY 2027 would be when we would expect to see that full cost. Look, we haven't put an estimate of that out, so I'm not going to give one here on the call. I mean, you could imagine common with a lot of mining operations, circa 50% fixed cost, 50% variable. If you increase production by 60%, you can kind of get a feel for what sort of unit cost decreases you might see.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. Good. Can you please explain the increase in C1 cash costs for the March quarter, noting how inventory management impacts this?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Yeah. Look, there's a lot of effects with cash in any given quarter. Some of it's timing of payments and so on. There are inventory effects. You can imagine from a pure accounting perspective, when you sell a lot more zircon in a quarter, you're writing in a lot more high-value product, which is being held as inventory. Overall, I think we still see sustained, we still believe that that $55 million-$60 million a quarter at the current production rate is where costs are. You can have little timing effects here and there. We're comfortable that that is the true cost base of the business.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. One here on China. Has the Chinese slowdown caused any problems at all?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Look, we haven't seen any real, I mean, I don't think there's a new slowdown in China. We're all aware that the Chinese economy had been slower over time. Certainly, we saw pretty decent demand, have seen pretty decent demand so far this year. I guess we all know there's a bit more uncertainty now than there was a month ago. We haven't really, I guess at the moment, the people we sell to sell their product domestically, a large part of their customer base is domestic. We're probably looking at second or third-order effects of the various things that are going on in the global economy at the moment. We certainly haven't seen any obvious impact in demand at this stage.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. Another question here. Current HM grades of around 20%, obviously a lot higher than the resource grade of 11%. Is that something that you think you can sustain?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Yeah. I mean, we might remember the original logic for a stage two expansion was that ultimately, grades decline over the life of mine. The original stage two expansion was you double the mine capacity, but you only had about a 50% increase in products. That was effectively offsetting that grade decline. I think fundamentally, over the 30-year mine life, as grades decline, you would expect that we would increase the mining rate to sustain production. Now, whether you increase the mining rate to increase production even further is a different question. It just reflects the fact that like most operations, you start, you mine higher grades first. I mean, we're certainly not high-grading the deposit. The high-grade area is quite large. Ultimately, you're starting in the highest-grade areas.

Over the life of mine, you will see average mine grade come down.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. Another question here. What they're asking is, would two DMUs be potentially more effective running at, say, 50%-70% than running one at, say, 90%? What was the rationale behind? Obviously, there was a complex decision there.

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

I think you always have this question about, would you spend $20 million to add capacity you don't really need? I mean, if your existing facility can handle that. There's also some complexities about a second DMU involves a second mining face, a second set of pipe work. You need to waste mine in a second area and so on. There is a working capital implication in that. I think it's not to say that you would never go for a multiple location mining. Ultimately, when we get to 16 million tons, what we're pumping to the process plant is what we would have always expected to do from one DMU. It is not obvious that the answer would be to spend more capital to end up with the same production rate.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

No, that makes sense. Is Yansteel still happy to take an additional 40% ilmenite from 2027? Will the additional tonnage fall under the take-or-pay?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Yeah. Because we're still in, yes is the simple answer. It does to both. It does fall under the take-or-pay. Yansteel, we wouldn't be doing it if Yansteel weren't supportive of taking the extra product. It's really not, if you break it down, we're really talking about 10% more than design, not 40% more than they expected. Ultimately, they were expecting to get a certain volume, and they're going to get a little bit more than that, not 40% more. Certainly, they're very supportive of the plan to increase production and take the ilmenite.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Another question here, just asking about the customer base. Is it all within China, or have any of the new customers come from outside of China?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

In terms of shipments all to China so far, we have, or KMS have both signed up or have MEPs in place for at least one non-China customer. They have not yet taken any product. I think there is an important distinction to draw that a lot of the market outside of China is ceramics. The quality requirement for ceramics is, first of all, the ceramic market's pretty weak. The quality requirement's quite exacting, particularly for material like ours that without an acid wash largely presents as standard grades. China is a good market for it. There are a lot of the chemical and non-ceramic applications. A very deep market, an ability to blend and handle that. In some cases, people are looking at doing acid wash to increase the quality of at least some of that ilmenite to true premium.

There is a strong natural fit for our product with the China market. While we continue to work with potential customers outside, their general ability to take large volumes of our product is limited by the markets they ultimately sell into.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Yep. Yep. That makes sense. We've only got a few questions left here. If anyone does have any questions, please do submit now. Otherwise, we will be wrapping up. Bruce, would you mind just talking about the debt and sort of how you're looking at potentially paying that down over the next couple of years?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Yeah. So look, the first, yeah, the debt facility, the two facilities, NAIF and Orion. The Orion facility is repaid or repayments start first on that. It's the commercial debt. NAIF is longer dated. The first payment for the Orion debt is due in June. Certainly, we're working towards making that payment. That's the intention. I think what I would say for people is if you think about that forward plan, we've got a production profile now in terms of final products, which is different to what we had when we did the original debt sculpting. The June payment is not a large payment. It's $11 million. But then the shape of the payments was that the largest payment was actually in December this year and then sort of reducing down. That repayment schedule was based on a certain production profile.

We would expect that, I mean, we're essentially with lenders, a discussion about not a refinancing or a re that sort of thing, but actually how do you align the payments to the production profile. While we're certainly comfortable that the asset can generate the cash it needs to repay that debt, you have to look at the timing at which those payments are made. They're relatively long-term facilities, and there's scope to change the payment profile, which we would expect is a fairly normal process to go through with lenders. Now that you're actually operating, what is the right payment profile for the debt given what the asset's actually generating in terms of cash? Also recognizing that the price environment we're in is lower than it was anticipated to be. That's also a consideration in working out what the optimal timing of debt repayments is.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. Any news on South Atlantic at all? Obviously, I know it's been a big order for the business improvement plan and sales and whatnot, but is that still on the radar?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Yeah. We're progressing the resource, predominantly the resource work following the drilling both at Retiro and at Boujroux and the PFS. Certainly, we are quite close to having a resource for that. We've been progressing it as appropriate in the background. It's not been a big focus for us, but the work's continued on that in the background.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Okay. Nice. Okay. I think that's it for questions, Bruce. I guess any final thoughts before we wrap things up?

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

No. Look, I think I certainly appreciate the chance to provide an update. As I said at the start, very pleasing quarter in terms of the transformation of zircon sales made a big difference. Cash flow positive for the first time is a great place to be. A medium-term plan to really get the operation back to where we wanted it to be, which is that 1,085 tons an hour of feed. That will be a robust business. It is good to have both the short-term performance, but also that medium-term plan to address the production problems or challenges we faced in the first year. We have now got a plan to overcome those. Fortunately, a plan that does not require a lot of capital.

Peter Gadsdon
Head of Investor Relations, Sheffield Resources

Perfect. Okay. We have been recording. Those who want to view this afterwards will be on the YouTube channel and over the social media channels that Sheffield have. I'm sure if there are any other questions, there's the info at email at the bottom there. It will be on the website. I'm sure you can get in touch, and Bruce or Mark will respond. Thank you, everyone, for attending. Thank you, Bruce, for the presentation.

Bruce Griffin
Executive Chair, Sheffield Resources

Right. Thanks very much. Thank you.

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