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Earnings Call: H1 2026

Mar 26, 2026

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Good morning and welcome to the Soul Patts financial results presentation for the first half of financial year 2026, being the six-month period ending 31 January 2026. My name is Courtney Howe. I'm responsible for corporate affairs and investor relations at Soul Patts, and I'm pleased to introduce our presenters for today. Todd Barlow, Managing Director and CEO, will address performance highlights, and David Grbin, our Chief Financial Officer, will cover group financial results before handing back to Todd, who will step through portfolio performance. Todd will round out the presentation with a look at the core principles behind our capital allocation process, as well as the current priorities. We will respond to questions at the end, starting with analyst questions on the line.

As usual, there is the option for written questions to be submitted at any point during the webcast, and you will see a question box on the right-hand side of your screens. Please provide your name when you submit your question. Over to you, Todd.

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Thank you, Courtney, and welcome to everybody joining us today. Soul Patts is a diversified investment house with a unique position in the Australian market. Our total portfolio is now valued at AUD 13.8 billion. We operate as one portfolio that houses multiple asset classes. We've generated strong risk-adjusted returns through a disciplined approach for many years. The six-month period ended 31 January 2026 was a continuation of this track record, and we are pleased to discuss the first half results today. I'd like to spend a moment talking about what sets Soul Patts apart and our differentiated approach. Our mandate is completely unconstrained. What this means is that we can invest wherever we find the most attractive risk-adjusted returns, up and down the capital stack, listed or unlisted, onshore or offshore. There are very few listed investment companies in Australia that can operate with our kind of flexibility.

We have the ability to design bespoke capital solutions for a particular situation where a standard approach would not work. This opens up many different types of deals we can do. Our approach is diversified and uncorrelated. Diversification to us is not simply owning lots of things. It's about owning assets that behave differently across industries, asset classes, geographies, and risk profiles. They don't all move in the same direction at the same time. When one part of the portfolio falls out of favor and we have exposure, our portfolio can absorb it. That is by design. We also have permanent capital investing our own balance sheet. That means we can have strong conviction behind our investment decisions, at times going against the grain with a contrarian view. We can hold our positions for the long term and compound great returns for shareholders.

These are structural advantages that are genuinely hard to replicate. Lastly, our structure is totally aligned with shareholders. When you invest with Soul Patts, you are not just buying a portfolio of assets. You are buying into an embedded investment company with a strong purpose, deep capability, networks, and competitive strengths that have been built over a hundred years. Our principles run deep and have been shaped over multiple generations of the founding family, carried forward today by our Chairman, Rob Millner. Our team is invested in the outcome with incentives tied to growing portfolio value and cash flow, not growth in funds under management. The compounding effect of all of that put together is what you see in our long-term track record. Over the last five years, our portfolio has evolved considerably.

Back in January 2021, the portfolio was AUD 5.2 billion and heavily concentrated in equities, mainly Brickworks, New Hope, and TPG. By early 2023, the portfolio was starting to see the benefit of the Milton merger, which had completed about 18 months prior. We had begun the exercise of repositioning the equities portfolio we acquired from Milton into private asset classes. It was strategically important for de-risking the portfolio by shifting more capital into these uncorrelated and diverse asset classes, such as credit and private companies. Over the last three years, we have grown our credit book by more than 8x . Credit is uncorrelated to equity markets and exhibits more defensive qualities. We have the internal capabilities to originate, structure, and manage these investments in a way that generates a good return for the level of risk being taken.

Private companies have grown nearly 4x over the same period. These are high-quality businesses that benefit from our capital, insights, and long-term support. Today, we have a AUD 13.8 billion portfolio spread across five distinct asset classes. The key message I want to reinforce is this. By recycling and redeploying capital, we are actively managing risk. We are building the capacity to deploy this capital into higher conviction opportunities as and when they emerge. The Soul Patts portfolio has always managed risk well. Today, we are even more diversified and less correlated than ever before. Against that backdrop of evolution, the strategy itself remains entirely consistent. We have always measured ourselves against three clear objectives. First, we aim to increase cash generation from the portfolio to underpin dividend growth.

The interim dividend has now grown every year for the past 28 years, and the compound annual growth rate over that period has been 10.4% per annum. This track record is unmatched in the Australian market. Second, we aim to grow the portfolio and outperform the market on a total return basis over the long term. Over the past 25 years, the annualized total shareholder return has been 12.9%, which is 4.6% higher than the market. Third, our objective is to deliver strong financial returns while actively managing investment risk. This is fundamental. It means that we are constantly looking for outsized returns for the risk we are taking in any asset, and we construct a portfolio to protect shareholder capital on the downside. With a truly diversified portfolio, each asset class performs differently through the cycle, which adds resilience.

Over the past 25 years, whenever the market has had a negative month, Soul Patts has outperformed by around 2% on average per month. This is how our company is structured to both grow and protect shareholder capital through market cycles. Turning now to the first half, we had a very strong performance against each of those key objectives. On cash generation, net cash flow from investments of AUD 334 million is up 15.4% on the prior corresponding period. This strong cash flow enabled the board to declare an interim dividend of AUD 0.48 per share, fully franked, marking our 28th year of consecutive dividend increases. On portfolio growth, the net asset value of AUD 13.8 billion is an increase of AUD 1.8 billion on the prior period.

On a per share basis, the portfolio returned 9.7% in the half, outperformed the ASX 200 index by 6.6%. On risk management, we executed AUD 4.3 billion in transaction activity during the half, with AUD 2.1 billion in new investments. What these numbers tell you is that we are actively rebalancing the portfolio towards greater liquidity in what remains a volatile environment. I'll come back to this point later in the presentation. We've been positioning the portfolio to be more resilient through challenging markets, and we ended the period with AUD 472 million in available cash, which gives us strategic optionality. We also have undrawn debt facilities of around AUD 1.2 billion, which gives us further flexibility.

I'll hand over to David Grbin, our CFO, to take you through the group financials in more detail.

David Grbin
CFO, Soul Patts

Thanks very much, Todd, and it's a real pleasure to present a solid set of results, which are the first set of results for the merged entity. On each of our key measures of performance, we've exceeded the prior period or the balance sheet at the previous financial year end of 2025. We have an even stronger balance sheet post-merger. Gearing is low, and we have ample liquidity to take advantage of any market dislocation. If we look at the group financial results now for the half, statutory or reported NPAT was AUD 2.3 billion. A little over AUD 2 billion of that are non-recurring or we don't expect to happen in further periods.

They are as a result of the merger and the tax reset that took place at the time of the merger. Around AUD 2 billion are non-recurring items. AUD 1 billion of that comes from these one-off accounting gains and tax cost reset as a result of the Brickworks merger. During the half, we sold some shares in Tuas and Aeris and took a profit on those of around AUD 300 million. We, as a result of those sell downs, no longer account for those investments as equity accounted investments. They now go to be set at market value. On accounting, there's another AUD 400 million dollar gain from that reset.

Finally, there's a couple of hundred million dollars in that non-regular item of AUD 2 billion resulting from unrealized gains from some of our trading stakes in the emerging company's portfolio. This really illustrates the difficulty of using profit as a measure of overall portfolio health. To try and guide people with that, we do provide an underlying profit number, and that's the regular NPAT number, which you can see on the bottom of the slide there. A little over AUD 300 million, up nearly 7% on the prior corresponding period. That's arisen through two events. Firstly, we've got some fair value gains that came through in the portfolio, both in the emerging company and an extra contribution from rural assets, offset by lower results coming out of New Hope. Overall, underlying profit up nearly 7% for the half.

If we turn now to our preferred measure of portfolio health, which is net cash flow from investments. For the half, it was AUD 334 million, a little over 15% up on the prior corresponding period. If we take into account the larger capital base, 'cause we raised more equity at the time of the merger, it's up 12.5%. On any measure, a very strong result on the prior corresponding period. Over the last three years, net cash flow from investments has compounded at little over 9% per annum, from AUD 0.68 per share in the first half of 2023 to now at AUD 0.89 per share in the most recent half.

That consistent delivery of cash flows and consistent growth in cash flows really underpins the ability for us to continually increase the dividend that we pay to shareholders. We've been increasing that dividend to shareholders every year for the last 28 years. We always like to remind shareholders that Soul Patts has never missed paying a dividend since becoming a publicly listed company in 1903, and this includes major periods of disruption, including the global financial crisis, world wars, great depressions, and even most recently, COVID. If we now look to the net asset value of the portfolio. The total NAV on a pre-tax basis was AUD 13.8 billion, up AUD 1.8 billion on the prior corresponding period, and as Todd mentioned, delivered close to 10% return for the half.

The portfolio outperformed the ASX 200 index over that period by nearly 7%. On a 12-month trailing basis, when we adjust for dividends, that return was 14.3%. This is an exceptionally strong outcome for our shareholders against a very volatile market climate. The primary drivers of the recent NAV growth were our equity holdings in stocks like NexGen, Tuas, New Hope and Aeris, which all performed strongly for the half. The merger that took place with Brickworks in September was accretive to NAV, and that's around 2% of that return. Even if you back that 2% out that comes from the merger, we've still got substantial outperformance for the half. When we adjust for dividends, NAV has compounded at a little over 11% per annum for three years.

If I finally now turn to capital management. As Todd mentioned, we have at the half nearly AUD 500 million in available cash, and that reflects some of the equity raising proceeds that we've raised back in September and also the cash generation over the last six months. We've got available debt of AUD 1.2 billion, so we've got ample liquidity to take advantage of any of those market dislocation. Importantly, one of the outcomes of the merger was that we're able to reset the tax cost base for all of the investments across the whole portfolio, so both in the old Soul Pattinson portfolio and the Brickworks portfolio, and they've been able to be reset to market values at the time of the merger.

This now means that going forward, we're not burdened with assets that have large unrealized capital gains tax liabilities. They've been reduced now because we've been able to reset up to market as at the date of the merger in late September. This structural improvement in the balance sheet means that the investment team can rebalance the portfolio or make changes to the portfolio, and there'll be minimal tax friction. Importantly, the franking balance of both Soul Patts and Brickworks could be merged together, and it now stands at a little over AUD 1.1 billion. I'll now hand back to Todd, who'll walk through the individual asset classes and our strategic direction.

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Thanks, David. Let's now go through each part of the portfolio in turn. The portfolio, as I said, is now genuinely multi-asset class. Each of these asset classes plays a specific role, whether this is to generate uncorrelated income streams, compound value, or provide exposure to structural growth tailwinds. Increasingly, we're diversifying the portfolio to include more international investments, which now accounts for 18% of the total portfolio value. What we do with each of those international investments is put them into the relevant asset class bucket that you see on this slide, so it's not a separate asset class. I'll move through each of the asset classes and their contribution to the group result. Listed companies now represents 32% of the total portfolio. That's down from 57% in the prior corresponding period. In the last 12 months, that's produced.

That reflects the removal of Brickworks as a listed equity following the merger. Brickworks is now sitting across private companies and real assets. On performance, the total return for the half was 5.9%. That outperformed the ASX 200 total return index. Outperformance was driven by our overweight position in energy sector, which is predominantly our investment in New Hope. Net cash flow from investments was AUD 150 million, down 23.9% on the prior period, which is a reflection of the reduced size of the portfolio. Listed companies has a long legacy of strong performance built around businesses that generate cash and compound value over time. We look for businesses with durable competitive advantages run by quality management teams with a long-term orientation.

There's no better example of that than Apex Healthcare, a founder-led leading pharmaceutical group headquartered in Malaysia and one of the leading players in its market. Apex shows what patient, high-conviction investing can deliver. Over the past 20 years, our investment has compounded at 20% per annum, and it began with a decision that had nothing to do with returns. It began with people. In the 1950s, our former Chairman, Jim Millner, arranged for Kee Tah Peng, the founder of Apex, to do his pharmaceutical apprenticeship with Soul Patts. A decade later, Kee Tah Peng established the first Apex pharmacy in Malaysia. He would then go on to expand the business into distribution and manufacturing, establishing a joint venture with Soul Patts under the name Xepa-Soul Pattinson. Pictured on the right is the first manufacturing plant in Malaysia and its official opening ceremony attended by Jim Millner.

When Apex listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange in 2000, Soul Patts retained approximately 30% alongside the founding family. Kee's son, Kirk Chin, stepped up as the CEO. At the same time, Soul Patts Chairman, Rob Millner, joined the Apex board and was instrumental in establishing Apex long-term track record of dividend payments. Apex was a phenomenal growth story. From a MYR 65 million Malaysian ringgit company at IPO to a MYR 1.9 billion ringgit business at the time of privatization, we supported that process and helped bring in a new partner to take Apex into its next chapter. Our stake was divested for over AUD 200 million. Emerging companies is now 21% of the total portfolio, up from 16% in the prior period, and the performance for this half was exceptional.

Total return was 36.7%, outperforming the Small Ords benchmark by 19.4%. Net cash flow from investments came in at AUD 81 million, up 161% on the prior period, driven by strong trading gains. The outperformance was driven primarily by early, high conviction exposures to energy, communication services, and defense. Soul Patts has had a strong track record of backing emerging high growth companies. Large positions in this portfolio today include Tuas, EOS, and NextGen Energy. This portfolio capitalizes on our flexibility to invest in both listed and unlisted opportunities, a variety of industries, as well as jurisdictions. The chart on the right reflects that breadth. Credit is 12% of the total portfolio. The net asset value grew 36.5% to AUD 1.6 billion.

Net cash flow from investments was AUD 103 million, up 9% on the prior period. This was a pleasing result because the prior period was elevated by the timing of loan repayments, mainly EOS, who repaid one of their previous loans ahead of time in first half of 2025. We deployed AUD 383 million of new capital during the half, including AUD 67 million offshore, and had AUD 474 million of loans repaid, a healthy sign of a book that is actively turning over. To offset these repayments, we need to keep writing new loans, and this is the biggest challenge we have. Returns from this asset class are driven by the quality of our borrowers, the way we structure each loan, and the interest we earn for the risk we are taking.

Soul Patts is structurally different to other credit funds in that we are deploying our own balance sheet, and we don't need to worry about duration mismatch. Our book is built through direct relationships. The majority of the loans in this book have been sourced by our team, so our reputation gives us a meaningful advantage in this regard. With a preference for bilateral deals, this enables us to have a lot more control over deal structure, setting the terms, and maintaining active oversight. The pipeline remains active both onshore and offshore with AUD 367 million in undrawn but committed funds to offshore credit partnerships. We see the current environment as being potentially attractive for continued offshore deployment. Private credit is a deep asset pool, and in recent times has seen significant growth.

However, we have all heard of the many large funds being in outflows, and this should create a better environment for future investment. Private companies now makes up 11% of the total portfolio. The net asset value grew 49% to AUD 1.6 billion following the addition of Brickworks building products and other new investments. These other new investments were predominantly offshore with AUD 50 million deployed into strategic partnerships. While this is still a very small proportion of the overall portfolio, we believe that allocations to partners in offshore markets gives us access to unique opportunity sets and specialist expertise. Net cash flow from investments increased 32% to AUD 37 million for the half. What is unique about our approach to private companies investing is our flexible mandate.

We have the ability to hold minority and majority positions, and we do not have a requirement to exit the investment quickly. Our edge is the access we get to these types of deals before anyone else sees them. This is evidenced by the current portfolio, where 94% of the current assets in that portfolio were sourced through a proprietary deal origination. It tells you that we have high quality relationships and a reliable reputation as a long-term capital partner. When founders or business owners are choosing who they want as an investor, they want someone who will be there through cycles, who won't force a short-term exit, and who can add genuine value alongside them. We work alongside management to actively shape strategy and unlock value, and we are continuing to build and grow these businesses as we constantly regenerate the portfolio.

Now I mentioned that the newest addition to private companies was the Brickworks building products business. The integration of Brickworks has gone extremely well. We've reduced the structural complexity in the business and enhanced financial flexibility. In addition, the management of Brickworks are taking the opportunity to simplify the operating model. These are tangible improvements that make the business easier to manage and position it better for the cycle ahead. Building products is our second-largest asset in the private company's portfolio and one that we believe will perform well over time. The current market environment remains challenging. While we are starting to see some recovery in the Australian market, particularly in multi-residential demand, the U.S. market remains soft.

For example, the non-residential market that Brickworks services is 27% below where it was three years ago. We knew that building products is a cyclical industry, but we have conviction in the quality of the underlying assets and the structural dynamics of the market they operate in over time. Real assets are now 22% of the portfolio, which is a large increase from the prior period. The increase in NAV reflects the addition of the industrial property joint venture with Goodman Group, which came across through the Brickworks merger. Net cash flow of AUD 24 million was driven by distributions from some of our existing property assets, which are exposed to industrial and residential development tailwinds. The attraction of real assets is the combination of income generation and long-term capital growth, with defensive characteristics that provide resilience through different market environments.

Industrial property, data centers, agriculture, and water rights are tangible assets tied to positive structural shifts in the economy. They benefit from demographic tailwinds such as the growth of e-commerce, the demand for data infrastructure, and Australia's high-quality agricultural land. I'll now touch on how we think about capital allocation, and I think it's important to understand the principles that drive investment decisions, not just the outcomes. There are three principles at work in how we construct and manage this portfolio. The first is a bottom-up portfolio construction approach. Capital follows our highest conviction ideas. We are not allocating by filling buckets or trying to hit sector targets. Every asset is in constant competition with every other idea in the pipeline. If something better comes along, the capital moves, and we manage risk dynamically, not by preset targets, but by considering the portfolio as a whole.

If the market changes or the opportunity set changes, we have the flexibility to respond. The second is protecting shareholder capital. That means owning assets that exhibit strong fundamentals and resilience through cycles. We have a bias to companies with strong cash flows that are low cost, have high-quality management, and strong balance sheets. We're also seeking asymmetric positions where the upside is meaningfully larger than the downside. The question we are always asking is the same. Does the return we can generate more than compensate for the risk we are taking? That discipline never changes regardless of market conditions. The third is we want to use our structural advantages. We seek to exploit our permanent capital and our flexibility to generate alpha. These advantages only compound in value over time and create more access to opportunities.

Right now, we are being deliberate about building more liquidity in the portfolio because the world is very uncertain. Uncertainty creates volatility and opportunities for mispricing. In this kind of environment, permanent capital and flexibility are significant advantages. This slide here shows you those principles in practice. During the recent half, we transacted over AUD 4.3 billion, and that excludes the corporate activity around Brickworks. That is a significant level of transaction velocity and reflects the dynamic nature of how we manage risk. The number is carved up between buying and selling. We invested AUD 1 billion into emerging companies, AUD half a billion dollars into large cap equities, AUD 400 million into credit, and circa AUD 100 million into private companies. On the other side, we divested around AUD 700 million from emerging companies.

We sold AUD 1 billion from large cap equities and had circa AUD 500 million of credit loans repaid. You can see that the credit portfolio was you know, slightly decreased in size because we had more repayments than we could make new investments, but we did substantially reduce the size of the large cap equities book through the period. That rotation in and out, rebalancing, recycling is active portfolio management and is how we maintain the quality of the portfolio over time. We ended the period with a strong cash balance for strategic deployment. In the period since the end of the half, we've continued to increase the liquidity across the portfolio. It means that when the right opportunities emerge, be they mispriced assets, counter-cyclical plays, or high conviction new positions, we'll be ready to act.

Acting on behalf of shareholders is our team and a strong culture that comes with 92 years of combined service to Soul Patts. We've made a couple of changes to our executive leadership team during the half that I'd like to share. Dean Price, who first joined Soul Patts in 2008, was recently promoted to Investment Team Leader in addition to his current role as Managing Director. As the portfolio grows, Dean ensures we are constantly collaborating across all investment teams to keep across emerging opportunities. Brent Smith, who also first joined in 2008, was recently promoted to Managing Director. A more recent appointment in January was Andrew Switajewski as Managing Director. Andrew brings a diverse investment skill set from experience in Australia and internationally, spanning private equity, listed equities, and M&A.

Former CIO Brendan O'Dea departed the company to pursue other endeavors late last year, and we thank him for his contribution to the business, wishing him well for the future. We often get asked about how we maintain a strong culture? This is a culture that has been passed down from generations of family oversight of the business. We are stewards of shareholder capital, and that duty is front of mind, and that culture has strengthened over time. Following our most recent culture survey, we received a very strong engagement score that outperformed the top 10% of companies operating within the financial services industry. We have very low staff turnover with a rolling annual attrition rate of less than 1%. Our team is a one-to-one balance between investment and enablement staff, generalists and specialists working alongside each other as one team.

Our team is a huge part of our competitive advantage. The portfolio is in good shape, and we've been preparing for this kind of environment for some time. The current priorities are, first, to actively manage liquidity. We are increasing the liquidity profile of the portfolio and managing cash. This includes ensuring that we have leverage available to us for additional flexibility. At the same time, we are allocating to more defensive and liquid strategies. Second, to reposition the portfolio. We are continuing to ensure that the portfolio is resilient in what remains a highly volatile environment, and we are continuing to increase our international exposure where we see strong risk-adjusted returns and partnerships that can benefit from the current environment. Third, to allocate opportunistically. We will continue to look for mispriced risk. We are prepared to be countercyclical and contrarian.

We need to be in a position where disciplined analysis can generate outsized returns in periods of dislocation. It is in these environments where our structural advantages perform best. Our permanent capital and unconstrained mandate allow us to take a long-term view when others are worried about liquidity and short-term performance. In closing, a recap of the key performance highlights for the recent half. The portfolio grew 9.7% per share over the first half, significantly outperforming the broader market. Net cash flow from investments grew by 15.4% on the prior corresponding period, underpinning a fully franked interim dividend of AUD 0.48 per share, which is up 9.1% on the prior year.

We continue to maintain liquidity and optionality with available cash close to AUD 500 million and significant undrawn leverage, and rebalance the portfolio with over AUD 2 billion of new investment ideas made during the half. Over the longer term, our strong performance has enabled the board to continue increasing dividends, which have increased for 28 straight years and compounded at nearly 12% per annum for the last five years. Looking at total shareholder return, we have delivered an average return of 12.9% per annum over 25 years, outperforming the ASX 200 by 4.6% per annum, which means that over 25 years, an investment in Soul Patts has multiplied by around 20 x, which is triple an investment in the ASX 200 index alone. That is the compounding effect of a consistent philosophy and disciplined execution. Thank you.

Courtney?

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you, Todd. Thank you, David. We will now open up to the Q&A part, and we will start with analyst questions that may be on the line. Thank you, moderator?

Operator

Thank you. For the analyst participants, if you wish to ask a question via the phones, you will need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you wish to ask a question via the webcast, please type your question into the Ask a Question box. Your first question today comes from Steven Sassine with Morgans. Please go ahead.

Steven Sassine
Analyst on Diversified Financials, Morgans Financial Ltd

Thank you very much for the opportunity to ask a couple of questions and congratulations on another strong result. I've got three questions. I might just ask them one at a time, if that's okay. I'll start with the private credit portfolio. I mean, Todd, you spoke to that quite a fair bit in your opening remarks. Look, it's quite topical at the moment, and we're starting to see some sort of pockets of stress emerging globally, and obviously there's elevated scrutiny. Can you maybe just talk to any concerns you have about this becoming more of a systemic issue and I guess your overall confidence around the quality of your existing credit investments?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Sure. Thank you. You know, my view on the private credit market is we haven't seen any real indications of structural stress in the system. We haven't seen the defaults increasing. What we're seeing is people's expectations of higher defaults. I mean, today what we've seen is a few select examples, you know, whether people call them cockroaches or otherwise. They are a few examples of fraud rather than structural issues. Now you could argue that there's a structural issue that perhaps there has been too much money coming into private company, sorry, private credit land and people have had to deploy that quickly and maybe their credit standards has dropped, and maybe that's why they were exposed to some of that fraud.

I think the broader issue that people are concerned about, in particular in the U.S., is the exposure to SaaS and software loans. You know, I mean, what I always say about if you're worried about defaults of credit, then you should certainly be worried that the equities is more than impacted, because, you know, at the moment where people can't repay loans, the equity has gone to zero. I think to some degree we haven't seen how that's going to play out, but I would say that. You know, it's net positive for us because what we've been seeing in the general environment is a rush of funds into private credit, and what that has meant is that those funds have to be deployed.

You know, generally speaking, we've seen loosening credit terms, and we've seen tightening spreads. What you saw with our portfolio in the last six months is less deployment than repayments. We were in net outflow. Now that wasn't because we were choosing to allocate less to this asset class, it was because we couldn't find as many good opportunities to replace the repayments that we were seeing. Repayments are a great thing because it shows that we provided loans to the right companies. They're now in a position to refinance them with cheaper money. Getting repaid is healthy, and the fact that we didn't chase the market down and provide, you know, lower quality loans, I think is an important discipline.

I don't think our thesis on private credit has changed. We're not seeing any stress in our book. The kinds of managers that we are partnering with offshore will do better in this environment where we will see less money coming into private credit funds, and in fact, we're gonna see outflows, and that should be very beneficial for, you know, the type of people that we invest alongside.

Steven Sassine
Analyst on Diversified Financials, Morgans Financial Ltd

Great. That makes perfect sense. Thank you. My second question is probably more of a broader question actually. Clearly the portfolio performs pretty well in volatile markets, and we can see that with the uncorrelated returns and the current defensive positioning. I mean, if we assume things normalize from a geopolitical sense, you know, if you think sort of six to 12 months out, like how are you positioning the overall portfolio for growth? Like where are the actual opportunities at the moment?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Well, I mean, we've fortunately been heavily invested in the right themes. I think that those themes will be enduringly positive for some time. You know, we've always been tilted towards energy for a long time because we believed that there was you know, significant growth in energy required for the electrification of everything and growing populations and urbanization and all those sorts of things. We saw the growth in energy demand as a result of the data centers and AI. Now what we're seeing is energy dislocation from the war. That's the theme that we think is enduringly positive for us. I imagine that we're going to do quite well out of that for some time.

Fortunately, you know, the other parts of our of our emerging companies portfolio is telco. We've got two assets in the emerging companies and TPG in the listed companies. I think, you know, they are very defensive companies in that, you know, people are not gonna switch off their mobile phone if they get into, you know, a more sort of recessionary or low growth environment. I think that they are high-quality assets. We've got exposure to real assets. Now that's still generating a positive return for us, but it also has the additional benefits of being defensive and, you know, resilient in an inflationary low growth environment. I think everything that we've been positioning ourselves towards has done very well.

The reason why we're sort of just getting a little bit more liquidity is because the environment is so uncertain at the moment that we wanna be in a position to be able to strike wherever we see that next opportunity. I don't know what that's going to look like? I suspect the opportunity set looks better in a stressed environment than what it has in the last couple of years where there's been lots of money flushing around the system and everyone's been risk on.

Steven Sassine
Analyst on Diversified Financials, Morgans Financial Ltd

Great. Thank you. Just my final one, 18% of the portfolio off the top of my head, I think is allocated to offshore investments?

David Grbin
CFO, Soul Patts

That's right.

Steven Sassine
Analyst on Diversified Financials, Morgans Financial Ltd

What sort of appetite is there to ramp that up? Like, is there a target or will it be sort of more opportunity dependent? I guess secondly, if that does ramp up, can you just maybe touch on your internal capability to manage these? Like, is there gonna be additional headcount required?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

I mean, like everything, we don't have a desired target of how much we want to allocate to these strategies, but you know, it takes time. You can't just allocate all of it at once, firstly because you need to find and develop the relationships with the right managers, but secondly, you wanna sort of average into different vintages and not pick. When you're investing in a fund, you're sort of taking a five- to 10-year view, so it's better to do that over time rather than all at once. We're being disciplined about the way that we're allocating it, and it's probably increasing by sort of circa AUD 500 million per annum.

The way that we're managing that internally is we think of an allocation to a manager in the same way that we think of an allocation to a company. The difference being that we can't get to the underlying companies offshore because we don't have boots on the ground. We recognize that by the time we see that opportunity, it's probably been passed over all of the established people in the market. What we're doing is that's why we're partnering with people who do have that expertise, but they think like us.

The approach that we're taking from our team is to think about it just in the same way that you would an allocation to a company, where we are hands-on, we're deciding that that team is aligned with our way of thinking and they're good people to back. But we're also learning from all of their experience and on-the-ground expertise that we can then apply back here. It's completely additive. I mean, not only are we getting them to make the investments, but we're also getting a lot of access to great quality data along the way.

Steven Sassine
Analyst on Diversified Financials, Morgans Financial Ltd

Great. Thanks again for the opportunity and congrats on a strong result.

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Thank you.

Operator

Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone. We'll pause a short moment for any final phone questions to register. There are no further questions from the analysts on the line at this time. I'll now hand back to Courtney Howe for any written questions on the webcast.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you, moderator. We do have quite a number of questions that have come through on the webcast, Todd. Picking up on the credit thematic, which I know Steven asked you about, but there is a couple of follow-up questions to that. Firstly, can you comment on the mix of the current loan book in terms of the security, the spreads, whether there are defaults, and the covenants?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Yeah. We're, I mean, we've avoided any kind of covenant light structure. You know, most of the book that we have has senior security. I would say probably 60% of it is senior secured, 15% is asset backed, about 15% is sort of junior in security, and then there's other stuff like pref equity and other instruments in there. Mostly we are looking at ways where we get elevated above substantial amount of equity in the liquidation preference, ensuring that we have you know, really strong controls around you know, covenants and information and rights to step in if things get into trouble.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you. Another follow-up question on credit. A shareholder is asking, are you able to state which global credit funds that Soul Patts is invested in to give shareholders more transparency in terms of the industry and the risks associated with global credit managers?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Yeah. There's a fairly long list of our exposures to credit and private equity funds. If I'm just looking at credit, I think maybe next time round, we'll have a separate bit of information around our approach to international investments. You know, I would say to answer that, in terms of credit, I would say that, you know, our focus is more around either funds that do well in distressed environments like special sits or distressed funds or asset-backed financing. You know, we have tended to avoid the sort of generic leveraged buyout lenders, you know, leveraged finance lenders. You know, a lot of those are the ones that in the U.S. are going to be exposed to some of those SaaS companies and things.

Our exposure to that is limited to nil.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you. Moving on now to franking credits. David, I might ask you these questions. We have a couple of them. Franking credits highlighted as AUD 1.1 billion. Could you comment on the board's intended franking strategy, meaning buffer versus deployment, and what constraints might limit franking utilization?

David Grbin
CFO, Soul Patts

Well, at the moment, and we said in the presentation, there's about AUD 1.1 billion of franking credits available. If you gross that up to say, well, how much of a dividend we could pay to eliminate that balance, it's about AUD 2.6 billion. That's the first point. In terms of being able to use that, I think most of the constraints are not ours. They do come from restrictions that the various federal governments have put in over the last sort of 15 years. It becomes very difficult to other than if you want to, you know, take on a fair whack of gearing and then pay that out as a dividend. You know, that is an option.

You know, we don't see the need to do that, given that, we'd prefer to use that gearing to reinvest into the portfolio. What we are doing and what Todd mentioned in terms of putting more of the portfolio offshore, we can do that in a manner that earns higher post-tax returns, and then attach franking credits to those earnings. 'Cause they're offshore, they're not subject to tax in Australia, and we can then continue to attach franking credits to continue to use that balance, and try and wear that down over time.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thanks, David. Turning back to international, there's a question here about where Soul Patts is seeing the most attractive opportunities for the marginal dollar. In framing itself as a listed family office, shouldn't there be a larger slice allocated to listed global equities? Todd?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

The marginal dollars are going into strategies that we think will perform over the next, you know, three to five years. As I said, there is a bias in some of our deployment offshore to those funds that will do well in dislocation. You know, these are funds that have still managed to do quite well even in good times, so in the last, you know, sort of five years, they might have been able to still do 10%-13%, but they would do much better in periods where there's, you know, a bit more distress. The second part of the question was?

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

In framing us, ourselves as a listed family office.

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Oh, about the global equities.

Yeah, well, I mean, when we did the analysis a few years ago, we looked at where, even though we had a lot of ASX-listed companies, the proportion of international revenue in those companies was very, very high. You know, if I think about things like New Hope as an example, you know, it has almost all of its demand and revenue from offshore. So we have always had an international flavor to the business. But I think that, you know, we are being a little bit more active now in thinking about how we can get exposure to offshore equities, particularly in emerging markets, I think, is probably the one where we have a bit of interest right now, and I think that gives us a fair amount of liquidity at the same time.

I think that is an opportunity for us to grow a bit more.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you. With a portfolio that has greater allocation to private assets, does the liquidity advantage that Soul Patts has reduced over time as the listed equity position reduces?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

It's a good point because, you know, a lot of those private companies are illiquid, but at the same time, I mean, when I talk about having liquidity and increasing liquidity across the portfolio, I don't mean the whole portfolio. I mean, it would be silly for us to give up on the advantage that we have with our permanent capital and give away that sort of premium for illiquidity by having the whole book capable of being liquid. So we want to be thoughtful about it, but when you know what we are doing is in the listed part of the book, we're increasing the liquidity. So we're broadening out the book and reducing some of the sizes of what we have, and that just gives us more flexibility.

You can see that the direction of travel has been to increase our exposure to private markets, but at 50/50, that is by no means compromising the liquidity that we have.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

In a follow-up to that question, you talk about the lower risk that you are taking and yet continue to generate excellent returns. Could you give a couple of examples of this low risk in practice?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Well, I think there's lots of examples. I mean, credit as an example is in my mind a defensive asset class in the sense that when something goes wrong, equity is going to experience much more downside before even one dollar of its debt is impacted. We've got AUD 1.6 billion in credit, but it's been generating sort of 14% return for the last four or five years fairly consistently. Now, that's better than the long-term returns available to equity markets. You're getting the best of both worlds. You're getting outsized performance but lower risk.

I think that's probably the easiest example to point to that where we can find opportunities that are lower risk, but generating still very strong returns.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you. A question here on how you think about the disconnect in the first half between the strong NAV outperformance, which was 6.6% above market, and our share price underperformance.

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Yeah, I think, I mean, there's a couple of things at play there. I mean, the share price, you know, frequently has a little bit more volatility than the portfolio does. That's dictated for a range of reasons. In the last six months, we had an elevated starting position because we'd already announced the Brickworks merger. Some of that was being reversed. Also, you know, I think the market probably hasn't been aware of the quality of the underlying performance. You know, some of the, you know, the traditional share price to NAV that we usually trade at, you know, the premium has been eroded. We've seen, you know, a lot.

A little bit of share price weakness in the last six months, but hopefully that will wash through.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you. I've got a question here on the team. Can you provide a bit more information about the depth of the team and the intelligence resourcing to support a totally unconstrained investment mandate across multiple asset classes that includes private credit?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Well, I mean, it's one team looking after one portfolio, and where we do best is when we share ideas and market intelligence across the firm. It's extremely powerful in terms of the network effect that we can generate from seeing new opportunities and learning about what's happening in the market because we're not focused on one asset class, we're focused on lots of asset classes. I would say that's actually additive. Rather than being difficult for people to understand more information, because I think more information is always better. With that information, we become really high quality generalists that are capable of understanding what's happening in the market, but also analyzing what an investment in one asset class looks like relative to what we could be getting in another asset class.

I think that our team does particularly well in that environment. You know, as I said, we don't have high turnover. There's roughly, you know, 56 people, 28 investment professionals. The biggest team is in credit because it does require some specialist skills. We've recruited people with insolvency and restructuring backgrounds. There's probably three or four people in the team who have those backgrounds. That's a fairly unique attribute and something that will be particularly valuable in this market. When you team up that kind of knowledge with people who have the expertise in M&A, private companies, equity investing, then we can put all of that together and it's a very powerful combination.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you. Now a question on Tuas, just whether we have any concerns with no longer having board representation?

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

No, I think you know, that's a business that is obviously overseen by David Teoh. He has been an exceptional telecommunications investor and a manager of businesses, so someone who we are very comfortable with. You know, there was nothing more for us to add in doing that. Rob Millner is trying to focus more on what's happening with Soul Patts. You know, when you think about the amount of activity that we're doing here, he's focusing his attention there and less on the satellite companies that are, you know, particularly those that are performing well and we don't need to have oversight on.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you. I've got a question for you now, David. A question here about tax. How much tax is payable on recent asset sales?

David Grbin
CFO, Soul Patts

Very little, if any. The reason for that is that the rules for tax consolidation meant that at the time of the merger, we could reset all the tax cost bases of the assets up to their market value at the date of the merger, which was late September 2025. Any subsequent sales after that, the cost base of the assets is restated up to that market value. You know, if we sell that at a profit, sure, there could be some tax to pay, but we also have capital losses and some revenue losses that we can use to offset that.

For the next sort of foreseeable future, there shouldn't be very much tax friction attached to the investment portfolio.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thanks, David. I think we have time for one more question. Todd, we've been getting quite a few about the situation in the Middle East, and questions about how Soul Patts is managing its business in this context. Are we going more into cash? Are we looking at buying more equities, more distressed assets? Would love your thoughts on that.

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Well, we're in a period of peak uncertainty, and even before the war, you know, there was every day or every week you were reading about some industry that was going to be significantly disrupted by AI. We were already at a point where, you know, we were late in the cycle, asset prices were fully valued. It was a pretty tough environment to invest into, but it's only gotten worse, you know, now with the oil price shock and inflation, you know, that was already present, but now being added to. I think it's a very difficult time, but this is the environment that we've been preparing ourselves for five years.

You know, we've been saying for five years now that we're going to broaden out the portfolio, we're going to add uncorrelated assets, we're going to increase the diversification, we're going to remain defensively positioned, and we're increasing our liquidity, and we've always had cash and we've been net cash. Rather than being geared through that part of the cycle, we wanna be geared when the opportunities get a lot better, and that's when we can deploy capital. We've been preparing ourselves for this. We have always done better in more volatile markets, and you can see that play out in the last six months, in fact. I think, you know, if things get worse from here, you know, our...

We've built in mechanisms for our portfolio to be resilient, but also, ways for us to take advantage of those situations.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you very much, Todd. We're at time, so apologies if we didn't get to your question, but there will be a recording of today's presentation on our website shortly. Todd, I'll throw back to you for any closing remarks.

Todd Barlow
Managing Director and CEO, Soul Patts

Well, I think we've summed it up. Lots of great questions. I think it's covered everything that I wanted to say, but I really appreciate people's focus on us and their time today.

Courtney Howe
Head of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations, Soul Patts

Thank you.

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