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Earnings Call: H1 2024

Feb 20, 2024

Operator

Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the WiseTech Global First Half 2024 Financial Year Results, presented by CEO and founder, Richard White, and CFO, Andrew Cartledge. All participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you will need to press the star key, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Richard White, CEO and founder. Please go ahead.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our First Half 2024 Financial Year Results Briefing. Before we look at the financial highlights, I want to draw your attention to four key points we'd like to focus on in today's results. We have delivered a strong first half performance with our margin rate ahead of expectations as we continue to execute on our 3 P Strategy. We have invested over AUD 1 billion in product development over the last five years, with our accelerated rate of R&D investment and improved productivity over the last 12 months set to continue.

This increasingly powerful engine underpins our product delivery and drives revenue growth for WiseTech and value creation for our customers. We continue to enhance CargoWise landside logistics capability with the addition of MatchBox Exchange, which we acquired in October, while the integration of all our recent acquisitions is progressing well. Lastly, CargoWise momentum continued with three new large global freight forwarder rollouts, including Sinotrans, which is a top 25 global freight forwarder, meaning we now have 13 of the top 25 on global rollouts.

I would like to call out the passion, dedication, hard work, and focus of our team of more than 3,300 people around the world. I thank them all for the work they do. Our success is only possible because of their efforts. In the first half 2024, we delivered a total revenue of AUD 500.4 million, representing a AUD 122.2 million or 32% increase on our first half 2023.

Organically, total revenue was up 15%. The vast majority of growth came from CargoWise, with revenue up 40% to AUD 420.7 million, an outstanding result, which includes the benefit of our recent strategically significant acquisitions. This delivered CargoWise recurring revenue of 99% and, combined with incredibly low customer attrition of less than 1%, drives our ability to consistently grow revenue each year. EBITDA was up 23% to AUD 229.9 million versus the prior corresponding period.

As we explained at the full year 2023 results, due to the near-term dilutive impact of our recent acquisitions, our EBITDA margin is down four percentage points to 46% versus the first half 2023. Our organic EBITDA was up 16% with an EBITDA margin of 53%, flat on the first half 2023.

The margin rate is ahead of expectations, which Andrew will talk about later. Our underlying NPAT for the half was up 5% to AUD 128.4 million, and our free cash flow for the first half of 2024 of AUD 155.3 million was up 13% on the first half of 2023. We are delivering high-quality earnings, giving us plenty of headroom to execute on our organic growth plans and further acquisition opportunities that may arise. The interim dividend of AUD 0.077 per share is up 17% on the first half of 2023, representing a payout ratio of 20% of underlying NPAT.

What these results show is the value of our 3 P Strategy, which we consistently deliver against through the strength of our software, diversity of our revenue growth, and the agility of our talented team to adapt to changes in the evolving logistics industry. Andrew will now take you through our detailed financial performance.

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Thanks, Richard, and good morning, everyone. Before getting into the financials, I wanted to remind you that as we previously explained and contemplated in our FY 2024 guidance, our recent acquisitions, while strategically significant and value accretive over the long term, do have a near-term dilutive impact on margins, which is reflected in these results and noted throughout my commentary.

Starting with an overview of our first half financial performance on slide eight, as Richard noted, the business delivered strong revenue growth in the first half, with total revenue up 32% on 1H 2023 to AUD 500.4 million, largely driven by strong CargoWise growth, which was up 40% to AUD 420.7 million. Organically, total CargoWise revenues grew by 19% on 1H 2023, with recent M&A contributing an additional AUD 53 million.

Gross profit for the half was up 29% on 1H 2023, with gross profit margin of 84%, down 2% on 1H 2023, reflecting dilution from recent M&A. Organically, EBITDA grew by 16% to $230.6 million, with underlying EBITDA margin in line with first half 2023 at 53%. Reported EBITDA was up 23%, with the EBITDA margin of 46%, reducing 4% on 1H 2023, again, due to the dilutive impact of recent acquisitions and cost investments in product development to drive future growth. Our first half margin rate is stronger than anticipated.

As we progress with the integration of Envase and Blume, some planned cost investments have been delayed or eliminated as we leverage WiseTech's global scale to recognize synergies. We've also focused our efforts on larger product initiatives. Consequently, this generates larger revenue growth opportunities slightly later than originally planned. This strong organic EBITDA growth reflects our top-line growth, underpinned by large global freight forwarder rollouts, pricing, new product releases, as well as the impact of enhanced operating leverage, and ongoing financial discipline.

The increase in product investment for future growth held the organic EBITDA margin flat on 1H 2023. The 17% growth in EBIT reflects a 46% increase from 1H 2023 in depreciation and amortization, equating to an increased cost of AUD 17.2 million, driven by an additional AUD 7 million of acquired amortization from recent M&A, AUD 6.9 million from amortization, and a AUD 3.2 million increase in depreciation. The increase in acquired amortization included a favorable adjustment of FY 2023's preliminary acquisition accounting values.

In 2H 2024, we expect acquired amortization to be approximately AUD 12 million, assuming no further acquisitions. Underlying net profit after tax for the half was up 5% on 1H 2023 to AUD 128.4 million, with net finance costs of AUD 9 million, primarily reflecting interest on our drawn debt facility to fund recent M&A, reducing impact growth by approximately 7% . Underlying EPS was up 4% to AUD 0.388 per share, with statutory NPAT up 8% to AUD 118.2 million.

On slide 9, you can see the split between recurring and non-recurring revenues, as well as between CargoWise and non-CargoWise revenues. For a SaaS and subscription-based business like WiseTech, recurring revenue represents revenues from customers who use our products consistently. A high proportion of recurring revenues gives us good visibility over future performance. In 1H 2024, recurring revenue grew by 31% or AUD 111.4 million, excluding the impact of FX.

This was driven by further large global freight forwarder rollouts, price increases to offset the impact of inflation and generate returns on product investment, new products released in prior periods, and revenues from recent acquisitions. On the right-hand side of the slide, you can see the contribution from strong organic growth in CargoWise revenue, which was up AUD 58.6 million or 19% excluding FX. Of this, AUD 50.1 million was from existing CargoWise customers and AUD 8.5 million was from new customers.

This growth also reflects new large global freight forwarder rollouts, price increases, and new products released in prior periods. Importantly, as Richard said, CargoWise customer attrition remains extremely low at less than 1%, demonstrating the stickiness of the CargoWise platform for customers and emphasizing the significant long-term value generated from each CargoWise customer under our SaaS model.

On slide 10, you can see our operating expenses across product design and development, sales and marketing, and general administration, where our strong revenue growth and efficient operating model continues to drive operating leverage. Overall, operating expenses as a percentage of revenue were up 1% from 1H 2023, with the impact of our recent M&A the main driver. Importantly, operating expenses as a percentage of revenue were down 2% from 2H 2023.

This demonstrates our ongoing operating leverage, which is offsetting the previously mentioned gross profit margin dilution from recent M&A and underpins our confidence to return to 50%+ EBITDA margins in FY 2026. Product design and development expenses increased by AUD 27.4 million on first half of 2023, 2% of revenue due to recent M&A and investments in CargoWise innovation and development.

Expenses supporting maintenance of non-CargoWise platforms represented 23% of total PD&D expenses, down 8% on 1H 2023, a trend which is expected to continue. Sales and marketing expenses of AUD 38.1 million increased 2% on 1H 2023 to 8% of revenue, with the increase attributable to recent M&A. General and administration expenses as a percentage of revenue were down by 2% on 1H 2023, returning to pre-FY 2023 levels.

Excluding M&A costs, G&A expenses were flat year-on-year at 14% of revenue. Turning now to slide 11, where you can see our R&D investment, which is previously communicated, has deliberately accelerated as we focus on innovation and product development as a strategic priority. Our overall R&D investment increased by AUD 62.4 million or 54% versus 1H 2023, reflecting hiring activity to drive future revenue growth and recent M&A activity. Overall, this represents a reinvestment of 35% of our revenue in R&D, which is slightly higher than prior periods and increasingly weighted towards CargoWise.

54% of our 1H 2024 R&D investment was capitalized, up 1 percentage point on the prior corresponding period and remaining above the target range of 40%-50% as expected. This reflects the quality of our development process, which is delivering stronger productivity and lower defects, which allows our team to focus on developing new products that will drive future revenue growth.

We expect this level of capitalization to continue through FY 2024 as we invest in new product releases across our six key development priorities, which can be seen in development costs for work in progress R&D, increasing by 86% to AUD 71.6 million at December 2023 versus December 2022. We delivered 576 new product enhancements on the CargoWise application suite in the first half, bringing total enhancements delivered to more than 5,500 over the last five years from a total investment of over AUD 1 billion.

CargoWise product development resources increased by 86% versus 1H 2023, driven equally by increased hiring and M&A activity, with 62% of our global workforce now focused on product development, up 5% from 1H 2023. Moving to slide 12, you'll see how our strong balance sheet and liquidity provide a solid platform for future growth. At 31 December 2023, we had total liquidity of AUD 445 million, providing significant financial flexibility and headroom to fund strategic growth opportunities, as demonstrated by our recent acquisitions.

The AUD 109.8 million increase in intangible assets was driven largely by investments in capitalized development and recent M&A, partially offset by amortization. Turning to our liabilities, our borrowings decreased by AUD 25 million as we took the opportunity to pay down some of our debt from free cash flow generation. In October 2023, we were refinanced with a new five-year, AUD 500 million unsecured debt facility maturing in FY 2029, which was well supported by a diversified panel of nine banks.

The AUD 102.9 million increase in share capital reflects new shares issued as consideration for acquisitions, as well as to the employee share trust to fund our employee equity programs. Our employee equity programs are a key component of our policy to support staff retention, attract high quality talent, and encourage long-term value creation across our workforce, which is reflected in the high proportion of our people with WiseTech shares and share rights. Finally, turning to our strong cash flow performance on slide 13.

In 1H 2024, our operating cash flows were up 23% versus 1H 2023 to AUD 249.9 million, demonstrating the strength of our highly cash generative operating model. In 1H 2024, we increased the proportion of our operating cash flows reinvested to support long-term growth initiatives to AUD 94.6 million, which were invested primarily in product development and data center capacity. Our operating cash flow conversion rate remains strong at 109%, in line with the prior corresponding period.

Free cash flow for 1H 2024 was up 13% to AUD 155.3 million, with higher operating cash flows partially offset by increased product investment. Free cash flow conversion reduced by 6% on 1H 2023 to 68%, reflecting increased R&D investment and the dilution from recent M&A. Taking the sum of our total revenue growth and free cash flow margins, our Rule of 40 was 63% in 1H 2024, which remains highly attractive when compared to SaaS businesses globally. To summarize, we're pleased with WiseTech's financial performance in the first half of FY 2024.

The business is continuing to grow at a healthy pace, with EBITDA margins ahead of our forecast and underlying earnings and cash flow remaining strong. Our highly cash generative business model and strong liquidity continue to provide a solid platform to fund long-term sustainable growth. Back to you, Richard.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Thank you, Andrew. WiseTech's strategic vision is to be the operating system for global logistics, and we continue to make excellent progress towards achieving this vision through a consistent execution of our 3 P Strategy: product, penetration, and profitability. The logistics industry is complex, dynamic, and ultra-competitive.

CargoWise's competitive advantage is its proven ability to rapidly enhance productivity and capability at scale and globally, delivering an accelerated continuum of competitive advantages to existing customers and attracting potential customers away from unproductive and increasingly problematic legacy systems. With the majority of the top 25 global freight forwarders now on or moving to CargoWise, CargoWise is rapidly becoming the de facto standard.

Looking at product development, we continue to focus on six priorities in order to deepen the value that we create from CargoWise and build even more capabilities over the long term.Five of the six priorities have now had significant product investment or have been strengthened by M&A. In the first half, we completed a tuck-in acquisition, MatchBox Exchange, and a Mexico foothold acquisition, Sistemas CASA. I'll touch on these in more detail later. In each of these development priorities, we drive adoption of or create increased attraction to implement CargoWise.

Additionally, we are creating access to entirely new addressable markets by solving deeply complex supply chain issues. R&D remains a critical component to our growth, with over AUD 1 billion invested in R&D over the last five years, delivering more than 5,500 product enhancements. In the first half 2024 alone, we released 576 product enhancements.

As a product-led company, we have a long-term strategy of not releasing new products commercially until we have delivered an industry-leading or breakthrough component that provides the full set of features, functionality, and usability that our customers need at the quality and reliability that our customers expect in today's rapidly changing environment.

We currently have AUD 71.6 million in process R&D, up from AUD 38.5 million a year ago, with a large and growing number of customers signing up to our early access program, which allows them to gain access to advanced features still under development. Our mantra of slower today, faster forever, drives the way we approach our product development and commercial release. Now, I'd like to give you a short update on the use of our machine learning, generative AI, big data, and our business and product automations in general.

Firstly, I would like to remind you that we have spent over AUD 1 billion in product development over the last five years alone, and we have been using machine learning, big data, and automation extensively for over 10 years. Our first half 2024 R&D investment has risen to AUD 177.5 million, which is 54% higher than in the first half 2023, with 35% of revenue reinvested in R&D.

This investment, its continued growth, and a relentless pursuit of software development productivity will drive revenue expansion opportunities, including within landside logistics and other major core and adjacent markets as these large product developments come to market. Some of you will have noticed that we said very little about AI last year, deliberately avoiding the buzzwords and the hype often seen in this rapidly evolving AI space.

We have been quietly working with a select set of new AI capabilities to enhance our existing machine learning, big data, and automations, focusing on our capability and productivity within our software development function, across the company's many teams and functions, and within our already highly productive CargoWise ecosystem. This careful infusion of further AI automation and productivity enhancements is already providing a substantial number of major opportunities to improve our own business and the capabilities and productivity of our CargoWise customers.

This includes improved productivity and automation in areas such as software development, marketing, sales, training, staff development, product support, customer service, talent acquisition, industry training, WiseTech Academy courseware across the business units and within our CargoWise ecosystem and customer base.

As a short and hopefully entertaining demonstration of this expanding capability, our publication of this script on our investor relations portal will include multilingual avatars of myself and Andrew speaking in English, French, German, and Spanish. It is important to note that these foreign language videos are avatars machine-translated from the English script but not otherwise verified and should be treated as demonstration only.

All of this investment in product and automation will continue to grow the platform and its customers and drive further productivity and capability across our product portfolio, enhancing our customer value chain. These product opportunities enhance our core international freight forwarding market and extend our reach into key adjacent markets like customs, compliance, warehousing, and landside logistics. They are attractive to existing and new customers, and they expand our capabilities into new market segments.

As I mentioned in our full year 2023 results, we have launched and deployed Neo to a growing number of customers. This deep additional value set allows our customers to better service their customers. As I referred to earlier, in November, we announced the acquisition of a customs foothold business in Mexico called Sistemas CASA. Mexico is the second-largest economy in Latin America and now the largest trading partner with the U.S. It is also the 17th largest export economy globally.

Today, our CargoWise Global Customs capability covers approximately 55% of global manufactured trade flows. With active development projects underway and with our most recent foothold acquisition, Sistemas CASA, this will lift the underdevelopment coverage to more than 75%. We continue to build foothold capabilities to meet our long-term objective of covering 90% of global manufactured trade flows.

The expansion of our CargoWise ecosystem into landside logistics drives a significant increase in our addressable market beyond international freight forwarding. Our integration of Envase and Blume into the WiseTech Group is progressing well, and as Andrew mentioned, we have reduced some investments as we refocus on larger product initiatives and realize synergies faster than expected from the removal of duplication and the redeploying of talent into other development roles.

CargoWise can now manage marine and intermodal containers for US trucking, railroads, ocean carriers, intermodal equipment providers, global freight forwarders, and BCOs, digitally linking and integrating planning, execution, and visibility. Our acquisition of MatchBox Exchange in October was another key component in bringing strong container optimization into our capability stack. The MatchBox platform enables import containers to reuse directly to an export activity, which is a major efficiency improvement compared with returning the container to a container park.

Turning to our second P, penetration, we can see the value and power of the CargoWise system in the progress we have made in securing further global rollouts in the first half 2024. Adding to our list of top 25 global freight forwarders, we have secured a CargoWise global rollout with Sinotrans, bringing our penetration of the top 25 global freight forwarders now in production or contracted and in progress to 13, which is more than half of the top 25.

We have also secured two further large global freight forwarder rollouts with APL Logistics and Yamato Transport, which brings the total number of large global freight forwarder rollouts to 49. CargoWise has become the platform of choice for global logistics service providers. Using Armstrong & Associates data, which tracks the top 25 global freight forwarder marine container volumes, we know that our in-production large global freight forwarder clients have, over the last 12 years, grown by 82%, compared to 12% for the remaining top 25.

This difference is staggering. CargoWise is likely to gain substantial additional customer attraction given what we are presenting here today. Finally, our third P, profitability. We remain focused on driving returns through our high-growth, scalable SaaS model, which delivers strong profitability and operating cash flows. Our company-wide efficiency program delivered a net benefit of AUD 1.2 million in the first half 2024, with the remainder of the forecast AUD 15 million net savings on track to be realized in the second half, on our way to achieving AUD 40 million of annual run rate savings.

We are both growth and cost-focused, and these programs continue to enhance our operating leverage. As Andrew has mentioned, our integration focus has been on leveraging WiseTech's global scale to recognize synergies, allowing us to delay or eliminate some planned cost investments in Envase and Blume. We expect EBITDA margins to return to more than 50% in the full financial year 2026. This leads me to our guidance for the full year 2024 and our continued strong growth outlook. Our guidance is based on the assumptions we have set out in the appendix of our investor presentation.

Assuming there are no material changes to these assumptions and no unforeseen events that arise prior to 30 June 2024, we reconfirm guidance and expect to deliver full year 2024 revenue in the range of AUD 1.04 billion-AUD 1.095 billion, representing revenue growth of 27%-34%, with CargoWise revenue expected to grow at the lower end of the 34%-43% range overall. In terms of full year 2024 EBITDA, we expect to deliver AUD 455-490 million, representing EBITDA growth of between 18% and 27%.

As outlined on the slide, we expect full year 2024 revenue and earnings to be less weighted to the second half than in full year 2023, which had a 46%, 54% split, as this includes the impact of slight delays in several large product releases. We have delivered a strong track record of revenue, EBITDA and EBITDA margin growth since our listing on April 11, 2016. Delivering 34% revenue CAGR and 43% EBITDA CAGR and 54% free cash flow CAGR really demonstrates the focus on our strategy and the strength and resilience of our business model.

To wrap up today, I'd reiterate my comments from the start of the presentation. We have delivered a strong first half 2024 performance as we continued to execute on our 3 P Strategy. We have invested over AUD 1 billion in product development over the last five years, with our accelerated rate of investment over the last 12 months set to continue. We continue to enhance CargoWise's landside logistics capability with the addition of MatchBox Exchange, while the integration of all our recent acquisitions is progressing well.

Lastly, CargoWise momentum continues with three new global rollouts by large global freight forwarders, including Sinotrans, which is a top 25, meaning we now have 13 of the top 25 on global rollouts. This is a truly exciting time for our business, our global team, and our customers.

Our credo says it best: we are truly, deeply passionate about what we do, and we use all of our empathy, energy, focus, courage, talent, drive, and logic to confront the really big stuff that others will not. I'm excited by the huge potential we have ahead of us. My team and I look forward to reporting on our progress in the months and years ahead. Let's open for questions.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. In the interest of time, if you could please limit to one question and then rejoin the queue if you have any further questions. Your first question comes from Lucy Huang with UBS. Please go ahead.

Lucy Huang
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Thanks, Richard and Andrew. In terms of my question, just wonder if you can give us some color on the volume outlook, coming into the start of the second half. I'm guessing, you know, with all the rhetoric around macro still being a bit challenging, have you started to see any impacts to your volume growth in CargoWise? And would you assess that it's tracking above or below your expectations for the full year? Thanks.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Thanks, Lucy. It's Richard. It's pretty close to what we expected. There's been a slight uptick in the latter part of the calendar year, and it's followed through. It's a bit hard to say this early in the new calendar year, but it looks to us to be pretty similar to what our expectations were, and it hasn't shown any significant drop. I think that's... It's hard to extract our growth with global logistics, and so it's a distorting factor, but we see that we're on trend.

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

And Lucy, I might just add-

Lucy Huang
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Thank you.

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Richard's comment there as well. You know, remember that less than 10% of our overall CargoWise growth comes from market. Out of the 33% compounded growth rate that we've discussed on the last few results, you know, three percentage points of that comes from the market growth. Indeed.

Lucy Huang
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from Kane Hannan with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of ANZ Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Hey, guys. Obviously very strong first half. It does seem to be guiding to a bit of a slowdown in that growth in the second half, despite the incremental benefit, I suppose, of the cost out program coming through. Just interested, is that the sort of trajectory we take into 2025, or can you help us understand some of the drivers that accelerate your growth again into FY20 25? You know, is that, is that the delayed product release coming through and obviously these contracts rolling through? That'd be great. Thanks.

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Yeah. Thanks, Kane. Look, I think overall, we're very pleased with the first half revenue at $500.4 million, up 32%, and CargoWise up 40% in the first half. So a really strong performance there. That obviously, the continuing momentum's there coming through from FY 2023. You know, as we've said today, you know, there's some of our product development releases which have been delayed into FY 2025. And, as a result, you know, we've guided to the lower end of our CargoWise revenue range for FY 2025. Richard, I might just hand it over to you as well.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

I think it's very important to understand that these big releases, and they're getting bigger, as... and they're in, in adjacencies as well as in our core business, are various, very substantial product developments and therefore will affect revenue as to when they're released. This doesn't really change our long-term trajectory. You know, I think that the simple test is...

When you think about us today, are we in a stronger position now than we were at the beginning of the reporting period? And I think unequivocally, everything that we're talking about today shows that our position is stronger going forward than it was when we started this half.

Operator

Your next question comes from Bob Chen with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Bob Chen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Morning, guys. Just a quick follow-up on that, revenue growth, sort of slowing down a little bit this year. I mean, just doing some quick math. I mean, it looks like sort of the full year, you're sort of tracking around that sort of 19%-20% organic revenue growth in CargoWise One. I mean, when you're thinking about sort of these new product releases, is it sort of are you leveraging that to, to push more prices, or do you expect more take-up of, of, you know, more modules or more seats to, to help reaccelerate that growth?

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Well, it's always going to be a combination of those effects, but, we're talking about substantial product releases with, therefore, substantial revenues attached to them. And we're only talking about a relatively minor delay from the latter part of this half to the next half, to the early part of the next financial year. But we're expecting those capabilities to come through.

As I said in... when I was talking to the detail in the presentation, you know, we are very concerned to make sure that when we release a product, it is fully complete, bug-free, high value, and creates substantial advantage for our customers and, of course, revenue for us. So this question of landing a product perfectly, particularly as you get larger, is not something that you should focus on.

You should focus on the long-term effect of this product development. We're spending at a very efficient rate, extremely large amounts of money on building revenue streams for the future. So I think that's... Andrew, do you want to make any more comment to that?

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Yeah, just to add to Richard's point there, Bob, I mean, you know, what we've seen is, you know, an increase in the amount of in-process R&D that we've got capitalized on our balance sheet. It's increased by 86% over the last 12 months, and it now sits at AUD 71.6 million. So really, that, what you should take away from that is that indicates the significance of the coming pipeline of new products.

And, you know, that's also highlighted in terms of the, increase in the hiring rates that we've seen in our product and development teams, as well as the capitalized development through the, the back end of last year and into, the first half of this year.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Indeed.

Operator

Your next question comes from Matt Ryan with Barrenjoey. Please go ahead.

Matt Ryan
Founding Partner and Co-Head of Research, Barrenjoey

Thank you. I just need some comments on Blume and Envase and how the integration's gone so far. Looks like you've, I guess, tweaked your margin assumptions moving forward. Just interested in how much of that's driven by those acquisitions.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

I think, Andrew, you do it first.

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Yeah, sure. Look, we, as we mentioned, as we were going through the presentation there, you know, we delayed or actually, in fact, eliminated some of the costs that we'd indicated were gonna come through. And the reason that we've done that is we've been able to focus on this global scale that we have within the WiseTech business, that's allowed us to look at different ways to integrate those businesses quicker and more cost effectively.

That's why our first half margin is coming out ahead of our expectations at a 46% EBITDA rate on a reported basis for the first half. You know, those integration activities will continue through the second half as well. But, you know, that's the main reason for the margin uptick here in the first half.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

And I just want to point out that, first of all, we've done quite a lot of acquisitions in recent times, and we've become extremely adept at integration. It's a process in the company. It's not an event that happens. It's a process that we drive very carefully. And then secondly, underpinning WiseTech's development capabilities and the way that we run the business, we have very, very efficient processes. We focus on productivity, we focus on reducing defect rates, we focus on eliminating things that are not going to add value to the business going forward.

And all of those things feed into the acquisitions. And as a result of that, we've made, you know, very sophisticated decisions around what we will and won't do and how quickly we'll go and what we do with these, these substantial assets. Equally, this is what we do for a living. This is exactly how we function. Our acquisition capability and our integration capability is fundamental.

Operator

The next question comes from Paul Mason with E&P. Please go ahead.

Paul Mason
Managing Director of Technology Research, E&P

Hi, I just wanted to ask a bit more detail about the guidance structure. So you've got a bullet point on slide 23 saying the second half EBITDA margin's gonna be in the range of 46%-48%, which seems to make your 44%-46% full year guidance impossibly too low, basically. Could you maybe reconcile those two bullet points, for us, if that's all right?

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Yeah. Paul, you're, you're absolutely right. So, you know, we've indicated 46%-48% for WiseTech's overall EBITDA rate in the second half of the year, on top of the 46% that we delivered here in the first half. You know, obviously, you know, we have got a revenue growth trajectory here to sort of work through in the second half of the year, as well as the ongoing integration of not only the Blume and the Envase businesses, but also the most recent acquisitions, and also, you know, the cost program that is on track through the first half and delivering to expectations.

So I think those are the key variables in terms of the range. You know, we've indicated that, overall, for the year, the margin rate for the business is somewhere between 44% and 46%, and the top end of that range has increased since the guidance that we gave you with the FY 2023 results.

Operator

Your next question comes from Garry Sherriff with Royal Bank of Canada. Please go ahead.

Garry Sherriff
Managing Director, Heda of Australian Equity Research, and Lead Technology Sector Analyst, Royal Bank of Canada

Yeah. Hi, Richard and Andrew. Yeah, really strong performance, particularly with cash flow. Just with capitalization rates, historically, your target range has been 40%-50%. It's much higher, I guess, first half 2024, 54%, and again, similar in the second half. How should we think for 2025 and 2026, FY 2025 and 2026, about those capitalization rates? And the reason is because you have guided for FY 2026 for margins to be above 50%. So I'm just wondering, is that being aided by higher capitalization rates, you know, that you've got now continuing into that 2025-2026 financial years? Thank you.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Well, first of all, look at the capital rise, capitalization rates as we progress in the business, and so we're not gonna make a prediction about 2026. It's too far away for that. But what's actually going on with those capitalization rates is that we've been working, we've been talking about this consistently over the last few years. We've been working on those things that cause software to be less efficient or more expensive, or those things that you build that you shouldn't build or, and how to create the very best outcomes from an investment in software development.

Now, that's become an extremely strong capability. We do a lot of internal training, we do a lot of internal review of the processes, and we've spent a lot of time on squeezing out problems and getting better and better at building software first go to perfection.

It's one of the reasons why the rate the products are slightly delayed to the early part of FY20 25, because we're really building the best we can possibly build. So those capitalization rates are a goal for us to try to lift, but it is... We are actually very efficient, so getting, squeezing more out of that is gonna be quite a job. I think we should leave it as we've said. Andrew?

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Yeah, and just to sort of add to Richard's comments there, the 50%+ EBITDA margin return in FY 2026 is really driven by revenue growth and the operating leverage that the business throws off that that achieves that. You know, it's not you know, us diving into more capitalized development to to get to that at all. I want to be very clear on that. It is revenue growth and operating leverage that's driving the the track back to 50%+ EBITDA margins.

Operator

Your next question comes from Nick Basile with CLSA. Please go ahead.

Nick Basile
Equities Research Analyst, CLSA

Good morning. Just a question on slide 21. I think it's trying to show us the performance of CargoWise in production customers versus performance of, you know, top 25 players without it. How powerful is that message when you, when you go to sell, you know, the CargoWise platform to C-suite s, whose businesses are not influenced of your ability to win some of the remaining top 25 more quickly, or perhaps, you know, continue to see elevated spend from existing customers? Just interested in the conversation and the feedback.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Well, I was hoping someone was gonna ask about this slide. It's certainly a very powerful message. First of all, you know, marine containers are 90% of international shipping. And so it's a very strong indicator of what's going on in the marketplace. I think if you look at that, and you can correlate that to a lot of different things, but ultimately, we have very successful business in that top 25, and we're able to extract... Using Armstrong & Associates, so we can extract this data and present it in this very simple way that shows what's going on with our customer base.

I do think it's gonna attract some attention, and I do think it's gonna make a difference to people when they're looking at these things. So if you, if you think about what we're talking about here, we've always talked about productivity at the center of everything. We've shown you that we've got the productivity, and that the customers that use CargoWise are significantly advantaged by being on a platform which is truly global, live in real time, single database.

And this is just another data point that indicates that, that capability. Is it gonna help us in sales? I'm pretty sure it will, but there are many other things that drive our sales results. And now that we've signed, Sinotrans, we now have 13 of the top 25. That's more than half. So there's a, there's a tipping point effect here, I think, that will start to occur.

I think we need to keep working very hard on being highly productive in how we build software and making sure that the software that we put in front of customers is the best it can possibly be and creates further and further competitive advantage and productivity and cost reductions for our customers. After all, that's what creates growth.

Nick Basile
Equities Research Analyst, CLSA

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Roger Samuel with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Roger Samuel
Senior Analyst, Jefferies

Hi, morning. I've got a question on your guidance. It looks like you have increased the benefit from FX by about AUD 5 million, and yet you have increased the proportion of revenue as well that is covered by hedging. So I just want to understand that extra AUD 5 million, was that already banked in the first half?

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

... Yeah, Roger, a little bit of it came through in the first half, and you've seen, quite rightly, that we've lifted the FX benefit in CargoWise revenue from AUD 10 million-AUD 15 million for the year to AUD 15 million-AUD 20 million. I did indicate in the comments there that that's evenly split first half to second half. And you know, there's a little bit of improvement in the first half FX numbers versus what we had back at FY 2023 results.

And then correspondingly, there's a little bit coming through in the second half as well. Yeah, the hedging program has sort of continued to add a little bit of volume, and it's now at 65%-70% of the second half revenue that's covered by some form of hedging instrument.

Operator

Your next question comes from Siraj Ahmed with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Siraj Ahmed
Director and Lead Technology Equity Research Analyst, Citigroup

Thanks. Hi, Richard. Hi, Andrew. Just a two-part question on organic growth expectations, right? Can you just clarify what's assumed in terms of organic growth for 2024? Because I do think the recent acquisitions, MatchBox and Systema s, is adding another AUD 10 million to the 2024 number. And on that, Andrew, you previously mentioned that second half should see, you know, organic growth back to that sort of 30% target that you have. Is the expectation as new products drive that in 2025? Is that the way we think about it? Because it seems like it's gonna be 20% this year, right? Thanks.

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Yeah. Thanks, Siraj, for that. So organic growth in the first half of the year, we expect to see continue into the second half of the year, given the range that we've indicated for CargoWise revenue growth. So, yeah, I think you can kind of use the first half as a bit of a proxy for the second half. The thing that returns it to sort of the 30% plus type of areas, Siraj, are all the elements that drive our revenue growth. So it's all of the wins that we've had with the large global forwarders that are in the process of them rolling out. They're coming onto the platform. As they roll out, they generate more revenue.

It's new customers, and, you know, outside of the large global forwarders, it's price increases, it's product development, but it's also the new products that Rich has talked about today, and the significant pipeline of in-process R&D that we have on the balance sheet that is due to launch in FY20 25. So all of those elements are in play as we move forward, as they have been in the past.

Operator

The next question comes from Roy, Roy van Keulen with Morningstar. Please go ahead.

Roy van Keulen
Senior Equity Analyst, Morningstar

Thanks for taking my question. Clearly, slide 21 was the most interesting one for me, for obvious reasons. It's really impressive. Maybe performance should be the fourth P behind product penetration and profitability. But I was wondering, Richard, what you attribute the outperformance of your CargoWise customers to, and then, you know, to what degree should we expect revenue to grow with their outperformance as they take market share?

And then, lastly, you know, what are the implications, not just for customer acquisition, but for, you know, if your customers just grow because of your product, do you really need to attract that much more customers, or can you just wait for your existing customers to take market share? Thank you.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

First of all, I think that data point on slide 21 is just one data point. It just happens to be a very strong data point, but it doesn't mean that, you know, there's gonna be some big bang explosion. I think we have to work very hard with the market, with our potential customers, and we have to explain why changing is gonna make a difference to their business. But I think we'll refer back to the total picture here rather than any particular slide deck. We've just crossed the halfway mark in terms of top 25 penetration. That's a significant thing.

We're putting enormous amounts of investment into forward product development using AI, machine learning, big data, automation. We're gonna give every effort to making the platform even more efficient and effective and productive than it is now. And we're gonna continue to prosecute this long-term vision, which is much stronger now than it was even six months ago, because of the fact that we've got this ability to create value through product releases, and of course, that adds to our revenue stream, and it adds to our customer success.

So I think there's no one point that indicates success. It's the combination of all the things we're doing and the continuation of the 3 P Strategy and our incredible focus on efficiency of product development and building innovations that make the industry better and better, and solve these deep, fundamental problems that nobody else is solving. That's the real secret sauce.

Operator

The next question comes from Andrew Gillies with Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Andrew Gillies
Head of Technology and Telecommunication Equity Research, Macquarie

Thanks, guys, for taking my question. I'd just love a little bit of additional insight on the early access program. Are there any particular areas of customer interest? Can you provide any color on perhaps the types of customers participating and how many there are? Thank you.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

In the early access program? Yes. I think it's quite broad. Given the number of customers that have signed and are in the pipeline to sign, I think it's a good representation of our customer base. Typically, when you're doing these early access programs, it is smaller customers that jump in first because they have less concerns about the scope of their business and the size. But we are getting a lot of interest across the entire customer base, and it's still pretty early days in this program, because we've got a number of fundamental projects, products that we're releasing under this early access program.

Many of them have some very broad implications for the long-term growth of the company and the success of our customers. But I'm gonna tell you that it's a great new program. It means that we get much better customer feedback much earlier, so we can actually build a much better product when it gets finally commercially released. It's very positive.

Andrew Gillies
Head of Technology and Telecommunication Equity Research, Macquarie

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from Tom Beadle with Jarden. Please go ahead.

Tom Beadle
Telecommunications, Media, and Technology Analyst, Jarden

Thanks for the opportunity. Just a follow-up from Gary's question on that 50%, FY 2026 EBITDA margin. You know, I realize it's revenue growth and operating leverage to get you there, but just what is the capitalization rate for product design and development that you're assuming to get there? I assume it's probably, you know, falls back to maybe the mid-40s. Is that a fair assumption?

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Yeah. Tom, thanks for asking a clarifying question. Look, we're. We're not gonna give any guidance right now in terms of capitalization rates into sort of 2025, 2026. We'll, we'll update you on that as we get through 2024 results .

I think what we're demonstrating in this set of results, and consistent with we discussed at the full year 2023, is that the level of productivity and efficiency that we're generating in our development processes, the number of new developers that we're bringing on to focus on new product development areas, has increased our capitalization rate through FY 2023 and in the first half of FY2 024. That's a great thing.

That means we're focused on not fixing, you know, bugs and issues and defects in the software, but it means that we're really focused on building, you know, strong new products that will generate future revenue growth. And like I said, we'll come back to you at the end of the year with an update on where we think that'll land for FY20 25.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

I just, I will add, though, that I think our focus in terms of getting back to margin is related to cost controls and related to revenue growth, not related to ... the fact that we want to be more and more efficient in development is not connected to our prediction about getting back to 50% growth in 2026. Might have a tiny impact on that, but our real fundamental focus is we are very, very focused on revenue growth, and we're very focused on being as efficient as we possibly can be in cost set, in cost set.

And there's, as Andrew has pointed out, and I've pointed out, there is a program which we're hoping to pull quite a lot of costs out of the business at the same time as continuing to grow revenue. That's what's driving 2026.

Operator

Your next question is a follow-up question from Bob Chen with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Bob Chen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Hey, guys. Just a follow-up. Just in terms of the product enhancements, that's been sort of delayed into FY20 25. I mean, is there any color on when it might land in 2025? Would it be more towards the first half or maybe sort of later through the year? Have you thought about that?

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Without wanting to give you perfection in delivery of product, because these are big things, we're expecting it to be earlier in the first half. We might even get a little bit of the revenue in the latter part of this half, but you know, it is not a thing of precision. When you're building product, you have to make sure that it's complete, working very well and able to be commercialized before you get revenue from it.

So that's one of the reasons for the early access program, so that we can build confidence in the product releases and make sure they're hardened before we deliver them. We're working very hard to make sure that they get in as quickly as possible, and we're thinking early in the first half of 2025.

Operator

The next question comes from Stuart Turner with Blue Ocean Equities. Please go ahead.

Stuart Turner
Institutional Equity Analyst, Blue Ocean Equities

Thank you, gents. I was wondering, to what extent are the 13 out of the 25 global rollouts of CargoWise penetrated within the organization? Like, how much more capacity do those large and sophisticated organizations have to increase the usage within their staff of the product?

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Thank you, Stuart. Hi.

Stuart Turner
Institutional Equity Analyst, Blue Ocean Equities

Hi.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

This is a great question because it shows that this is a multidimensional problem. So if you just think in terms of winning a new customer as the way of growing revenue, you're not in the right space because we do, whilst we do think of that, and that's very important, we've just crossed the halfway mark in the top 25, and that would be indicative of, you know, the top 200 as well. What we're really talking about is a multidimensional growth path.

We're talking about growing into multiple adjacencies at the same time as we're talking about more penetration in the core. We're talking about creating much more value within the sector that we're in. So that's meaning giving people more and more productivity, cutting their labor costs, and making their work more efficient, more effective and less risky, highly compliant, adds value. So there isn't one dimension of sales. It is a multidimensional cube of how you build things to grow the company.

Operator

The next question comes from Paul Mason with E&P. Please go ahead.

Paul Mason
Managing Director of Technology Research, E&P

Hey, thanks for the follow-up. I just was hoping to get a bit of color on how Neo's gone out of the gates. You know, whether you've seen much take-up from your customer base's customers yet, and whether you've started marketing proactively to any of the bigger BCOs as well?

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Well, remember that Neo is a product designed for our customers to present to their customers as an advantage. It will have an impact on our customers' capabilities, and particularly their ability to service their customers and provide productivity, where otherwise customer, a lot of human-driven customer service is often presented. It's an important thing. We are not selling directly to BCOs here. We are marketing through our existing customers to their customers, and that isn't a revenue item, at least in the medium term.

What it is, is an extraordinarily powerful way of adding value to our customers' platforms and bringing in their customers into the CargoWise ecosystem. Now, I've been surprised and delighted by the take-up of Neo. We've had a lot of people queuing up to be in the early access program to get onto that.

And we have to moderate how quickly we can roll it out, because we do have to do some configuration and some training with that, but it is going extraordinarily well. Meanwhile, while Neo is rolling out in this program, we're also expanding and adding new modules to it, creating further capabilities, hardening it for the customers, giving, you know, a better user experience across the platform. But I'm gonna tell you that Neo is a very powerful platform. It's gonna make a big difference to our exposure to the world, and it is doing very well.

Operator

The next question is a follow-up question from Siraj Ahmed from Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Siraj Ahmed
Director and Lead Technology Equity Research Analyst, Citigroup

Thanks. If I could just ask two questions. Just first one, Richard, in terms of just the delays to new products, right? A bit surprised, given the CargoWise process is quite refined and you're seeing actually better productivity benefits. So is the delay just a function of, you know, getting customer feedback to add more functionality?

Yeah, if you can just clarify on that. And secondly, Andrew, in terms of Blume and Envase, I think you said it did AUD 53 million... I think acquisitions did AUD 53 million in the first half. You're guiding to 125- 1, the lower end of 125. So it sort of implies a pickup in the second half. If you can just clarify that and whether that's how we should think about the run rate into FY 2025. Thank you.

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Yeah. Siraj, I'll take the second piece first, and then Richard can talk about the product development question. So yes, you're absolutely right in terms of the revenue reported in the first half. You know, these businesses do have some, think about it as implementation-type revenue or project revenue. And, you know, we're anticipating to see a slightly higher volume of that in the second half of the year, for projects that we're working through at the moment.

So, they're in train, and there's also, you know, inherent revenue growth in those businesses as well, as we'd expect to see. So, those are the two things that are really gonna pick up in the second half. I'll hand it over to Richard just to go over the, the new product questions.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

So when we're building product, generally, we need to get the product to a position that it is market-leading before we commercialize. We bring customers in early on for a couple of different reasons. One is to harden the product, to make sure that we've covered off everything so that it is fully able to be commercialized. And secondly, to get feedback on where we should take the product further. One of the things that we've learned, and I think is very well understood in the product development community, is that products are never finished.

They're always released and growing and becoming bigger, better, faster, smarter, more powerful. And that there's not any different with Neo, and it's not any different with our CargoWise business and with the... If you look at the customs rollouts we're doing, these are always improving and getting bigger and more across the world. If you look at the warehouse suite, we're always growing those things. This is a constant effort to make things better and better.

And I think just to refer back to the AI discussion, we now have the ability to transmit ourselves at a much greater, with a much greater capability, much more efficiently and much more globally because of those AI capabilities we've demonstrated. And I remind people to have a look at the avatars that Andrew and I are speaking on a video, and you'll see that when it gets... It's posted now. It's just been told it's been posted. We're speaking in the English script, as you've heard today.

We are also speaking in French, Spanish, German, and Mandarin, and I can assure you that I don't any of those languages, but I'm apparently very fluent now. That's all. None of us actually recorded that. There is no video. That's a completely an AI avatar. These and many other automations and machine learning components are gonna make our product, our company, and our customers much more productive.

Siraj Ahmed
Director and Lead Technology Equity Research Analyst, Citigroup

Rich-

Operator

The next question comes from Roger Samuel with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Roger Samuel
Senior Analyst, Jefferies

Well, hi. Just wanna go back to the guidance again and just wanna confirm for Shipamax and Envase and Blume that you're expecting the margin to improve in the second half. Is that implying that it's still loss-making, or is it gonna make a positive contribution in the second half?

Andrew Cartledge
CFO, WiseTech Global

Yeah. Thanks for that question, Roger. It's a, it's a good one. I think in one of the backup slides, we've kind of showed you where the margin has come out for the first half, for the acquisitions. I think it's on page 31 from memory, so you can see AUD 53 million of revenue in the half, generating a negative EBITDA of AUD 6.1. I think that's about a -7% EBITDA margin for the first half, which is obviously an improvement on the -15%, that we saw in FY 2023 there.

So we're, we're expecting to see the, the margin to continue to improve. A little revenue growth will drive that, obviously, and, you know, obviously, the integration activity, within the business, too. That's part of, you know, that's all built into the second half margin, right?

Operator

Next question is a follow-up question from Lucy Huang with UBS. Please go ahead.

Lucy Huang
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Thanks, guys. This is my follow-up question. Just if you can give us some more color around the three customer wins, particularly Sinotrans. Which products are involved in this particular rollout? Is it mainly corporate forwarding, or are you starting to see elements of customs in it as well? Thanks.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

So we're only in that slide, 20, and in my comments about those wins, we're only talking about our global forwarding capability. We haven't been specifically reporting wins in those other places other than to say that, you know, the customs component is running quite well now. We've got a major program to go back to those large freight forwarders and to encourage them to use the Global Customs, because they don't really have to sell these additional modules.

They are literally on and available in use, and all we have to do is assist our customers to understand that they're there, train some of the staff to get them there, and then start using. So we are getting obviously good take-up in Global Customs. We're getting good take-up in warehousing. We've got a major program in both customs, warehousing, and in our Blume optimization, logistics optimization, to provide those capabilities at scale to a much larger group of customers.

That takes time because, you know, these are very large customers in the main, and they do take a conservative approach to implementing software when they're already busy. But it is going very well in those spaces. However, as you requested in the question, we are just talking about the forwarding module when we talk about the rollouts.

Operator

Thank you. We have come to the end of our Q&A. I'll now hand it back for closing remarks.

Richard White
Co-Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer, WiseTech Global

Well, look, thank you, everybody, for attending today. I'm delighted with the results, and I think, you've seen in the deck and our considered approach to communicating this, how confident we are about the future of the company. I think we are in a much stronger position today than we were in the beginning of this half, and we are certainly looking forward to delivering, exceptional results as we go forward. As we have been in the past, we will continue to do in the future. Thank you, everybody, for attending.

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