Ladies, and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. I am Mina, your Chorus Call Operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Piraeus Financial Holdings Conference Call and Live Webcast to Present and Discuss Piraeus First Half 2024 Financial Results. All participants will be in a listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a question and answer session. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star and zero on your telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Piraeus Financial Holdings CEO, Mr. Christos Megalou. Mr. Megalou, you may now proceed.
Good afternoon, ladies, and gentlemen, and good morning to those joining us from the U.S. This is Christos Megalou, Chief Executive Officer, and I'm joined today by our CFO, Theodore Gnardellis, Chrysanthi Berbati, and Xenophon Damalas of our IR team. Piraeus has delivered the best quarterly and semi-annual performance ever, with EUR 333 million normalized net profit in the second quarter, adding to EUR 612 million for the first half of the year. Our strong operating performance in the first half, 2024, demonstrates our progress towards achieving or exceeding our full year targets. 2024 is turning into a milestone year for Piraeus.
Following the return to full privatization status, the group paid a cash dividend to its shareholders in the second quarter, amounting to EUR 72 million for the first time after 16 years, while recently, the bank has regained the investment grade rating after 14 years. On top, Piraeus has become the first Greek bank to meet the final MREL requirement, a year and a half ahead of target. Furthermore, the successful acquisition of the Pan-European license for the neobank Snappi marks a significant step in our development and a new era in our journey to become part of the new banking landscape in Europe.
Finally, we are proud that Piraeus turnaround story and its leading role in the Greek market have been recognized by the prestigious international magazine, Euromoney, awarding Piraeus the titles of the Global Best Bank Transformation, Best Bank in Greece, and Best Bank in Greece for Corporate Responsibility. Let's dive now into our second quarter and first half 2024 results. In the second quarter, Piraeus delivered a solid set of financial results with substantially enhanced, enhanced top line, while our focus on cost containment and operating excellence remains. I am proud of our results and thank all of our people for their hard work. Now, let's turn to slide five for the key achievements of our second quarter and first half performance.
We generated a record normalized earnings of EUR 0.26 per share in the quarter, up 42% year-on-year, and EUR 0.47 per share in the first half, compared to full year guidance of EUR 0.85. We achieved a return on average tangible book value of 19% in the second quarter, which brings the first half figure at 18%, running ahead of the full year target of 15%. We delivered 10% recurring net revenue growth year-on-year in the first half, benefiting from strong growth of client balances. Operating expenses in the first half were reduced by 3% year-on-year at recurring level, with cost to core income ratio at 29%, best in class in Greece and among the best in Europe on the back of our cost discipline efforts that offset inflation and investments.
Importantly, cost of risk was maintained at low levels, standing at 19 basis points in the first half, excluding NPE servicer fees and synthetic securitization costs, an outcome of the successful management of NPE inflows. Overall, asset quality dynamics remain solid, with NPE ratio further down to 3.3%. We expanded our performing loan book by EUR 1.2 billion in the first half, with solid growth in the business book and the third breakeven quarter in the retail book. Our CET1 ratio increased by 50 basis points in the quarter to 14.2, and the total capital ratio stands at 19%, both already meeting our 2024 targets. Our MREL ratio reached 28.3%, following the successful issuance of a new green senior preferred bond in July.
Finally, in the first half of the year, we increased our assets under management to EUR 10.4 billion, already surpassing our end of 2024 target. Slide six depicts the financial KPIs that summarize our performance. We have sustained high performance on all KPIs over multiple quarters, a strong signal of the consistent profitability path we are on. Slide seven covers our earnings results in further detail. As you can see, a significant increase in earnings per share resulted in tangible book value per share, reaching EUR 5.42, up 15% annually, enhancing further the value proposition to our shareholders. Slide eight presents the trajectory of the core PNL lines, showcasing solid net interest income and net fee income dynamics, cost discipline, and resilient asset quality, with cost of risk at historic low levels for the second consecutive quarter.
Slides nine to 11 present the detailed information regarding net interest income intrinsics, with net interest margin at 2.7%, loan pass-through stable at the level of 80%, and deposit beta settling at 15% in June 2024, in line with our guidance of 16% average deposit beta for the year. Slide 12 outlines the impressive evolution of our net fee income, which has been supported by loan expansion, cards business, fund transfers, and asset management. Net fee income of our assets climb to new record high at the market leading level of 93 basis points of our assets in the second quarter. Piraeus widening outperformance in this metric versus its Greek peers is the result of our focused strategy on expanding and diversifying our revenue sources and our footprint. Our pursuit of operating efficiency bears fruit.
Despite the inflationary headwinds, we have managed to maintain cost discipline and keep our operating expenses stable year-on-year in the second quarter, as shown on Slide 13. The strong improvement in our operational efficiency led the cost to core income ratio at best in class, 28% in Q2. Slide 14 provides a summary of our asset quality indicators. Our NPE ratio dropped to 3.3%, with breakeven new NPE formation. Meanwhile, second quarter organic cost of risk dropped to a historic low, 46 basis points.... basis points or 21 basis points, excluding the NPE servicer fees and synthetic securitization costs. NPE coverage remained at a prudent level of 59%. On slides 15- 17, we present the dynamics of our performing loan book.
Credit expansion was very strong in Q2, with performing loans rising by EUR 1.3 billion, supported by all business lending segments, and as a result, our full year target for EUR 1.6 billion credit expansion is expected to be exceeded. Out of the EUR 3.2 billion disbursements in the second quarter, EUR 1.5 billion went to small, medium enterprises and individuals, and EUR 1.7 billion to corporate and shipping. Recovery and Resilience Fund-related disbursements amounted to EUR 120 million, and there is a strong pipeline ahead. It is a good sign that the contraction of the mortgage book is accelerating, while retail balances overall in the first half were breakeven, helped by My Home mortgage program, To Spiti Mou. Piraeus has a superior liquidity profile presented in slides 18- 19.
Our deposit base is granular and of high quality, while our deposit mix has remained stable for the past 12 months. Our liquidity ratios remain solid, post TLTRO repayment, as evidenced by the 215% LCR, liquidity coverage ratio, and the 63% loan to deposit ratio, both in the top range of the European spectrum. Turning to our capital base on slide 20. Our CET1 ratio rose to 14.2% in June 2024, while accounting for a 30% dividend payout, already meeting the end 2024 target. Slide 21 presents our strong MREL position. On slide 22, you can see how our new wealth and asset management strategy continues to produce strong results, with assets under management reaching EUR 10.4 billion at the end of June 2024, recording a 27% increase year-on-year.
On slide 23, we present the latest developments for Snappi, including the European full banking license that was received in June 2024, the first Greek neobank with a relevant license. Snappi's commercial launch is expected in the next six to nine months. Its ambition calls for more than EUR 200 million of revenues and presence in three to four countries in the next five years. Our slides 24 and 25, you can see analytically the transformation projects that we delivered in the first half of 2024, including our successful rebranding, that signals a new era for Piraeus, as well as our 2024/2026 transformation strategic initiatives. The improvement of customer experience and customer journeys with Piraeus is a top priority of our strategy.
Finally, on slide 26, there is a summary of our KPIs, demonstrating that we are performing in certain areas of our 2024 financial targets. Our strong results mean that we can increase guidance for this year's return to 16% from 15% previously, and 14% in the original budget. Our strong results position Piraeus well among the broader group of regional peers. To give you some context, on slides 28- 38,
... We present the key metrics for Piraeus versus domestic and regional peers. We benchmark ourselves in terms of return on average tangible book value, credit expansion, net interest margin, net fee margin, cost to core income ratio, NPE ratio, cost of risk, and capital ratio. In all KPIs, we are now either at par or best in class, while we are growing our already sound capital buffers at an accelerated pace. We expect to generate significant value for our shareholders. With that, let's now open the floor to your questions.
Ladies, and gentlemen, at this time, we will begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star, followed by one on their telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, then you may press star and two. Those participating via the webcast, please review related information in the Q&A live session tab, should you wish to ask a question. For those participating in the question and answer session, please use your handset when asking your question for better quality. Anyone who has a question, may press star and one at this time. One moment for the first question, please. The first question comes from the line of Alex Demetriou with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Hi, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. Just two from me, please. Firstly, this quarter was very strong for fees, especially in the card segment. So is this a new run rate level we should expect going forward, or there, or are there some temporary benefits here that we saw in 2Q? And secondly, just on mortgages, could you please give us some more color on the demand you're seeing going forward, as well as the portion of fixed rate mortgages you are currently writing? Thank you.
Hi, Alex. So this quarter was a particularly strong quarter on cards. This is, it's not a one-off, but it's not a run rate either. But the initiatives that the bank has taken have definitely increased the fee productivity of cards. So I would say, the truth is somewhere between, for a run rate basis between Q1 and Q2. We're looking at a productivity profile of, I would say more than EUR 70 million per annum, right now from cards. And hi, Alex, just on mortgages.
First of all, we are quite happy that, on average, for the first six months, we have managed to reverse the negative trend that we have been seeing consecutive quarters, and we are breaking even in new production over repayments. And this is quite an important trend. This has also been helped by To Spiti Mou, which is, you know, my home, where we perform extremely well. And overall, we see a trend where individuals' balances are increasing significantly quarter on quarter, and actually counter the repayments of the historic big vintages that are coming through the mortgage book.
So it's a better trend than what we were seeing the last few years, I would say, and quarter over quarter, and we hope that this will continue.
Thank you very much. Congratulations on the strong result.
The next question comes from the line of Nida Iqbal with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hi, congratulations on the excellent set of results. My first question is on margins and the resilience that we've seen this quarter. Your loan yields continued to move up this quarter, despite lower rates and the Euribor levels. So perhaps if you can just talk about what have been the drivers behind this, and how should we think about the second half of 2024? And in addition, with the trends that you're seeing, and the upgrade to guidance in June, do you believe there's upside to your 25, 26 NII guidance? So that's the first question on margins. And then the second question, just wanted a bit of a, a follow-up on loan growth, and the upside that's driving the return on equity upgrade.
You know, what are the drivers here versus your previous expectations, that have caused the upside surprise? Thank you.
Hi, Nida. So, yeah, I mean, well, well spotted on margins and overall loans. The yields are quite resilient, even growing, even if, especially when you look at the business side of things, which drives, as we know, the overall book.
...One thing is, first of all, the first Euribor cut is not fully baked in, right? Because it takes time for it to the first one for it to evolve into the book we haven't seen yet. We do have some spread pressure of about 30-40 basis points on the new production, yet that has not come in, so we're kind of looking at the kind of perfect situation here. Also, the mix of the new production is towards higher yielding products, so that overall is creating this very resilient picture. I would say, you know, going forward, you know, the Euribor cuts and eventually the spread erosion will compress slightly, I would say, the yields.
But what we particularly like is that the revenue pools look like well defendable, given the accelerated expansion. So the expansion it will be covering in the future to a large extent the margin erosion that will at some point start happening. Now for 2025, 2026, we'll come back to you in future communications, but obviously you're leaving 2024 on a higher run rate than you thought. It depends a lot on the evolution, of course, of the risk-free, but if you bake all of that in, yes, things are looking good, but let's quantify it later in the year.
On Nida, thanks for the question. On loan growth, essentially, we've seen, and we continue to see, a really granular, let's call it, activity, which gives us quite a lot of confidence that we are looking to surpass the current level of net credit growth, as we are indicating in our results. This gives us confidence at least between now and the end of the year. We see that this will be transposed into the bottom line, and therefore, we came up with a normalized return of tangible book value, as we say, of higher than 16%.
So this basically comes from activity and in a number of areas and sectors, and it's manufacturing, it's trade, it's transportation, and that gives us, let's say, the confidence to look at the end of the year with this increased guidance that we put forward. Also, RRF is playing a role here with some pipeline and a number of dispersed already, but also contracted and pipeline RRF numbers. That gives us confidence that over the next few quarters, you know, things will be materializing, you know, mostly, most likely above the EUR 1.6 billion net credit expansion that we had at the beginning of the year.
Thank you very much, very clear. The next question comes from the line of Mehmet Sevim with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon. Thanks very much for your time. I have just a few follow-up questions, please. Maybe on loan growth, clearly, this quarter is very encouraging with the growth that we've seen. When I looked at the sector data, I have to say, I haven't seen the June numbers just yet, but, the growth at the sector level wasn't that positive, and in fact, there was still a bit of a decline in the corporate book, if I remember correctly. So if I ask, if I can ask, how you see the trends, at today's right now, versus, what's going on in the overall sector? And how you would, basically compare, for example, your pricing dynamics, your appetite to lend, et cetera, to the broad sector trends, if I may?
Secondly, on your CET1 ratio, clearly this is a big quarter. You've reached your target level now. It seems to be the comfort level of 14% now. And this was, as you said, also the full year guidance. But now, looking at the trends in the second half, can I ask, please, where you would see it now, considering any potential one-off impacts as well as Basel IV, for next year? That would be very helpful. And one final question that will be on Snappi. Thank you for the update, and congratulations there on the license. I've seen you targeting 2.5 million customers there. If I may ask, how many of these 2.5 million customers are already in the bank?
If the revenue pool that you're targeting there is fully incremental, or whether some of these customers are already generating some revenues within the bank. I just wanted to understand the you know cannibalization risk there, if possible. Are you also consolidating this given the JV structure, or will this be at the subsidiaries line? Thank you.
Okay, well, Mehmet, that's three questions in one. Great. Okay, so loan growth. The sector has done well in June, so if you check the June numbers, we're pretty much on par with share. We haven't seen the details yet, of course, we don't have this luxury coming out first, but it looks like June was also a strong month overall for the sector. So nothing to write home about there.... On the CET1 ratio, look, we said above 14 for a reason, right? We will be substantially above 14 at year-end. You know, what we do with this extra capital is to be discussed, but that's why we're sticking to the guidance of 25-26.
Basel IV is kicking in first of January, so there won't be any impact on the December print. Going forward, going into 25 is when, especially in Q1, is where we will start feeling it. So, again, the capital is now becoming more of a 25, 26 question, and then of course, a distribution question, which is not to be answered, in today's call. Now, Snappi. The business model of Snappi is to onboard customers that are not of, you know, they are – we're addressing the entire Greek market. It is not a Piraeus Bank cannibalization. It is a standalone franchise with a standalone proposition that addresses particular segments.
There might be, and according to shares, you know, Piraeus Bank customers might move there, but there's no automatic migration that creates an automatic revenue cannibalization. We think given the profile of, of the customers, that this will be, marginally, extensively incremental to the current PNL, from a revenue perspective. And, yes, given the, 55% share that the group owns, this is consolidated, it is a subsidiary, so you will be seeing it in the core lines of the PNL of the group going forward.
And Mehmet, just to add on Snappi, we are estimating that the full commercial launch is going to be in Q1 of 2025, and of course, ahead of that, we will be coming with detailed numbers and what we are aiming for. So that's a way to hear more on this, but I can concur, no cannibalization, the way we are strategically looking to grow this segment for Piraeus Group.
That's super helpful. Thanks very much, Christos. Thank you, Theo.
The next question comes from the line of Eleni Ismailou with Axia Ventures. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, and congratulations from my side for this very strong set of results, and thanks for taking my question. My first question is a follow-up on the spread of mortgages, specifically. As we see a sequential increase of circa 45 basis points, could you help us understand a little bit the drivers behind the movement? So that would be question number one. The second one is on cost of risk. As your guidance was 70 basis points for the full year, and in the first half, you're well below this guidance. That said, it should be like a one-way street down. So in order to get to the 70 basis points you're guiding, we need to see a marked deterioration in the underlying cost of risk.
So can you speak to the trends that you've seen in the first half of the year, and what you expect would be different in the second half? And the third question, if you could elaborate on the drivers behind the increase in the RWAs for this quarter, and how this helps you, and of course, would it help you, going forward, manage your capital level? Thank you.
Hi, Eleni. So yes, from 509, I think you're again, page 45, from 509- 554, this is really a technical adjustment on the system. It's something that we amended. We looked again at the cash flows, the system. It's an IT thing that we kind of fixed. There's no kind of commercial change that was done. Going forward, it's a 5.5 yielding book, and that's how you should be looking at it going forward. Cost of risk. Yeah, I mean, we're currently running at 50 basis points with a 20 basis points underlying. It's really within spurious accuracy or kind of margin of error.
There are some cases that will need a potential extra cost of risk to be treated in the second half. We did benefit a lot also in the first half, from some substantial reversals that we had on provisions, some curings that came in, especially from the hospitality sector. So yeah, I mean, I'm not going to say that it's impossible that, you know, we come back in Q3 again with 50 basis points, but let's just say we get some buffer there in the guidance just to make sure that we treat the book if we have an opportunity to improve the asset quality even further.
Now on the RWA, yeah, I mean, the expansion this quarter was of course substantial. There's an RWA delta of about EUR 1 billion. Most of that has to do with credit risk. You know, if you look also at the delta performing exposures, this is a marginal density of about 75%. I would say going forward, you know, when you see the P delta, you should add between, I would say, 60%-70% to the RWA. This as we saw this quarter is an example of the strength of the profitability of the franchise that you know, with 30% distribution built into it, with such a big...
... expansion quarter, we're still largely capital accretive, meeting our capital targets. So even with this growth, the profitability outpaces the growth in terms of capital, with the current distribution profile, and that sets us up very well for the future.
That's very clear. Thank you very much for the, for the answer. Thank you, and again, congratulations for the great set of results.
The next question comes from the line of Mikhail Butkov with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Good day, thank you very much for the presentation. My question is actually on your assets under management and deposits. So basically, your AUMs grew quite quickly over the past 12 months. Do you see any kind of migration from your deposit base into that? And is this migration factors captured in your outlook and guidance on time deposits? And more broadly, how do you look at time deposit developments so far? And what's your outlook, are there any changes to your outlook into the next year with regards to this? Yeah, thank you very much. To time deposits, I mean.
Hi, hi, Mikhail. Thanks for the question. Look, just to start, from the end of your question, we see the mix, you know, stable actually, and between term deposits and total deposits. And that was, let's call it, contrary to our original thinking, that obviously the term deposits would have been growing faster. Looks like that they have stabilized at the current levels, and that is what we also see for towards the end of the year and, you know, for the next year, looks like.
Now, on migration, we have been offering a pretty efficient asset management products across the spectrum of risk, and also on target maturities, which we're giving to our customer base a lot of alternatives in actually investing on these products instead of term deposits. So, we have been able to channel a large part of demand for target maturity and returns to our asset management product, and also to our equity product. And, the way we see the future going forward, we see this trend obviously to continue. So, you know, we were able to come up with the target earlier in the year, subject to market movements and of course, final performance of portfolios.
We expect this trend to continue. And of course, we're calibrating our targets towards the end of the year for the 2025 and 2026 going forward. We are pretty happy also with the way we are, these portfolios are yielding for our fees over assets, which are almost on par with European averages. So that's also another good development in our asset management book.
Great. Great. Thank you. Thank you very much for the answers, and congratulations on the results.
The next question comes from the line of Alexandros Boulougouris with Euroxx Securities. Please go ahead.
Yes, hello, congratulations on my end as well. Most of my questions have been answered. A quick one on mortgage lending, which we have seen flattish trends in the quarter, as you mentioned earlier as well. Could this imply that we could see also growth reverting back to have some growth in 2025, given also the government schemes that are in place, or is that too early to assume? And one more question, technical. In your initial guidance, you were assuming one-offs for the year of about EUR 100 million, if I remember correctly. But in the first half, I think it's very limited, the amount. Should we expect this to pick up in the second half, VRS or other impairments? Thank you.
Hi, Alex. Thanks for the question. Just to say on mortgage lending, the government initiatives are very important, and actually we take a bigger share of that than our peers in at least the performance up to now in the first round of My Home, To Spiti Mou. We expect that this could be a driver for growth for the rest of the year, provided the scheme comes out in the market early enough to be able to account for the year. We hope that this will happen and that that's gonna be a big help for mortgage lending going forward. Other than that, we expect the same, you know, neutral trend to continue until the end of 2024....
and hopefully positive look into 2025, but we have to wait until we reach there before we can tell you more about 2025. And on your question, on one of basically the delta between reported profit and normalized, it's still expected to land at EUR 100 million at year-end, all in. So yeah, I would just say between any normalized calculation and reported, just shave off EUR 100 million.
All right. Thank you very much.
The next question comes from the line of Gabor Kemeny with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi, Gabor here. A few follow-up questions from me, please. The first one on Snappi. You flagged an expansion of this neobank going forward. Can you comment on which services do you think would be straightforward to export and which other Eurozone markets seem attractive to you from an expansion perspective? My other question would be on the funding costs. I think you flag around the 60 basis points difference between the pricing of new term deposits and your back book. Can you give us a flavor over what time frame could this difference narrow? And the final question will be on capital build.
You flagged, I think, a 20 basis points or so upside from ratings, and perhaps from an external ratings review, as I understand. Is this at all related to the investment grade upgrade, and do you see any further tailwinds from being rated IG? Thank you.
Hi, Gabor, and thank you for the question. Now, on Snappi, as we said, I mean, we'll come up with more detailed guidance and views as we're closer to launch. However, just wanted to say that the MVP and the way we will be launching ourselves in the Greek market is, you know, equally exportable outside of Greece, and that's our aim over time, to be able to grow this franchise in Europe. We cannot disclose countries where we are looking to grow, but this is not just a European Greek project, but also a European project. Once we see solid numbers in the Greek market, which we expect that could possibly be positively surprised in 2025.
But it's a pretty much of an exportable MVP that we would like to see in other European countries in the Eurozone. Now, Theo will cover the time deposit and the other question.
So, I mean, Gabor, the overall cost of deposit, we don't expect a major shift, right? I mean, even the 2.8 will happen at possibly part of the book. It will also take time. There's mix effects. The beta will increase, but that's a calculative matter on a dropping Euro.
But overall, the cost of deposit, we think it has pretty much reached a terminal situation, and it's probably going to stay there until we see much lower interest rates. On the 20 basis points kick from the external rating agency upgrade, yeah, nothing related to the investment grade. It is a one-off, the certification of a particular rating agency has helped mitigate RWA of borrowers that have received good ratings from that particular company. So, and we don't expect anything to come our way as a tailwind on this either.
What we like is what I said before, that, you know, even without those 20, 20 basis points, in this situation, with such a big expansion, this is a capital accretive profitability post distribution accrual. Yeah, I hope this covers the question.
Yeah. Indeed, it does. Thank you very much.
As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and one on your telephone. The next question comes from the line of Osman Memisoglu with Ambrosia Capital. Please go ahead.
Hello, many thanks for your time and the presentation. Just coming back to your guidance on slide 26, you have more than 16% for ROTE. Apologies if I missed it. I'm just trying to understand what's driving that. Is it, as usual, the NII or you highlight there's upside on the net fee side, loan growth? And also, more specifically, you mentioned in one of the slides the deposit beta is 16% versus 19% previously. Is that for the 15% ROTE target, or is that for the 16% ROTE guidance, that 16% deposit beta? And finally, just modeling detail. The other impairments on associated income is negative EUR 27 million. Just trying to get some color on what the outlook will be in the next couple of quarters. Thank you.
... Hi, Osman. So, yeah, the, I think it was, it was, somewhat covered before. It's, it's, mostly fees, and I would say NII, coming from, from better yields and, and accelerate expansion. And as, as we've said, it's above 16%. We will see exactly where it lands. It could be, it could also be a little bit, a little bit higher. On, on your, on your question on, on other impairments, I mean, really, between other assets, between the kind of REOs and equities, there's, there's always adjustments that we do, on the book. We, we're basically looking at, at this line together with the loan impairments as, as kind of, one line driving profitability.
I would say we stick to, to what we're seeing, overall on average so far for the particular line. You had a, you had a third question, I think?
On the deposit data, is that 16%?
Right. That's the 15% implied number.
Okay. And one thing I forgot, in your cost of risk, I saw on a quarterly evolution, the cost for service fees and synthetic securitization, really coming down. Is that a trend starting, or is it a, just a quarterly blip? Or how, how should we think for that part of the cost of risk?
Yeah, there was a one-off in Q1 on the servicing fee that drove it up. What you saw in Q2 is really sort of a recurring cost. But remember, servicing fee costs are widely affected also by outflows, by treatment of cases, so it depends very much on the outflow performance of a particular quarter as to, you know, what the actual number will be. But just remember that Q1 had a one-off, you know, you're probably safer with the Q2 number.
Got it. Thank you.
The next question comes from the line of Alberto Nigro with Mediobanca. Please go ahead.
Yes, thanks for taking my questions. The first one is on the MREL. Now that you have reached the final target, are you planning to continue to improve the mix of the ratio by issuing more senior bonds and free up capital? And if you have in mind a precise amount per year of senior bond issuances. And the second one is on Basel IV, if you can confirm the EUR 1.4 billion a year risk-weighted assets day one, and EUR 1.6 billion fully loaded, you mentioned the previous call. And the last one, if these Basel IV impact includes also the FRTB impact. Thank you.
Hi, Alberto. Yeah, I mean, with this recent trade, the EUR 650 million of green bond plus the CET1 accretion, we've met MREL target. So any acceleration question and issues for banks going forward, reduction of the transition period, et cetera, is not our concern anymore. That said, there will be issuance from us going forward in the coming years for various reasons, one of which is what you said, the other one is to manage buffers and manage growth. So hopefully that covers that.
On Basel IV, yeah, the number that you had was without the adjustment and the delay that was recently decided for 2025, moving into 2026. So now actually, we're expecting the burden of 2025 to be somewhere over EUR 1 billion rather than EUR 1.4 billion, and that changes, of course, on the fully loaded number.
Thank you!
Ladies, and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Megalou for any closing comments. Thank you.
Thank you all for participating in our first half 2024 Results Conference Call. We look forward to discussing with you all, physically or virtually, during our investor outreach program. We will be commencing of early September. In the meantime, please have a relaxing summer break. Thank you very much.
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