Good afternoon. This is the Chorus Call conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Campari Group's 9 months 2020 results presentation. As a reminder, all participants are in listen only mode. After the presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Bob Conte Concewitz Group Chief Executive Officer of Complyge. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you. Good afternoon, and a warm welcome to all of our Q3 call. As you can see, our overall performance in Q3 improved market they boosted by the impact both of staycation, as well as the continued good trading in the off premise. Moving on to page number 4, I'll cover the highlights. Overall, we'd like to underline the fact that where our underlying rent health is confirmed in all of our core markets, and we've had a temporary on premise recovery in a continued challenging environment.
Net sales on a 9 month basis showed that marked improvement down only 2.8%, driven by a very positive Q3, up by 12.9%. Well, the ongoing effect of the COVID-nineteen pandemic is still active challenging, many markets of restricted measures, we've continued to benefit our recovery in Q3, driven by the increased consumption in consumers home countries where they spent their holidays rather than traveling abroad. So the, so to say, vacation effect which affected, in particular, our abilities and importantly, their peak summer season. The on premise skewed Italian market was up a very strong 35 point 4%, boosted also by the favorable weather conditions. There was continued sustained consumption in off road and European markets, Australia and Canada, A slight performance in the U.
S. Was achieved after a quite positive Q3, up 8.9%, driven by Espolon and the Jamaican rums, thanks to strong category momentum, whilst destocking is continuing at the wholesale level. Looking at it by geography, with an overall decline of 9 months in SEMEA, driven by the very positive Q3 results, clearly, driven by the temporary on premise recovery in Italy. Alongside positive shifts in phasing and trends after the new route to market set up. And obviously, what impacted negatively the area was mostly weakness in Spain, Africa and global travel retail.
We have continued positive trends in core off premise markets particularly our 3rd largest market in Germany, the UK, Russia, Canada and Australia. The U. S. Was flat overall as destocking continues, while shipments in Escalon and the Jamaican runs group. The on premise skewed and tourism reliant markets, which in Latin America, as well as the Caribbean decline.
Looking at it by brand, in the 9 months, global priorities declined by 2.6% despite both Aperol as well as the Jamaican runs registering growth. Our regional priorities were down 1.3%, although Espolon registered very, very strong growth, and our local priorities were down or basically flattish down 0.9%. In Q3, growth was mainly driven by recovery across the high margin and on premise skewed Aperitif portfolio. So Campari, Afero cardino and Campari Soda led, the advance and as well as the acceleration of Espolon in the U. S.
Market. On a reported basis, net sales were down 1.6%, reflecting the positive perimeter effect of plus 2.7 percent, which has been compensated by negative foreign FX effect of minus 1.5 EBIT adjusted on an organic basis declined by 15.1% on 9 months, which represents and this due to the negative sales mix as well as the lower absorption of fixed costs in connection to COVID-nineteen. Which was also partly mitigated by an improved performance in Q3, up that quarter by 11.2% with a 30 basis point dilution driven by the A and P step up. On a reported basis, adjusted EBIT was down 13.7 per percent with a positive foreign effects of 9,300,000 or in other words 3.2% and a negative perimeter effect of 5,400,000 minus 1.9%. Pre tax profit on an adjusted basis reached EUR 220,000,000, down 15.1% New pretax profit on a reported basis is up, reached $198,200,000, down 22.4%.
Net financial debt stood at the end of the period at $1,68,000,000, which is up $290,800,000 versus December 2019. And that's mainly due to acquisitions, as that of what you found Mitsubishi on Champagne. The investment in San Nicole, the tax payment related to the disposable, Alivali said, as well as the dividend payment and the share buyback. All of those put together amounted to 461 points $6,000,000 or up by only $6,700,000 versus the 30th June 2020, which means that the positive free cash flow generator was quite good in the quarter. Net debt to EBITDA on an adjusted ratio basis reached 2.4 times at the end of the period.
Moving on to chart number 7 because we will be discussing what's a number 6. In the following chart in more detail. Number 7, what we'd like to underline is the, very strong ground momentum in the US across our portfolio. As well as across our Aperitif's portfolio in Europe. On the top left, you see how, from the giving up the lockdown till the end of the period, how we've outperformed the U.
S. Market on a near term basis, on the left hand access you have the volume changes. Actually, on a value basis, we've done even better than that. And on the right hand side, you see the outperformance versus the market. To the right, you see the performance, I articulated rather than the U.
S. Market. On the bottom half, you see the outperformance of both Aperol and Campari across key European markets. Versus the category. But given actually that, the two brands make up quite a bit of the category in terms of share, clearly the outperformance versus the benchmark overall market is much stronger.
Moving on to, slide number 10 and kicking off with the Americas. The Americas overall down, only 3.6% over 9 months. With the U. S. Flattish, the overall flattish performance in the U.
S. Was affected clearly by the ongoing destocking at the wholesaler lever. Deletions on a cumulative basis are up by 7.3%. That's quite a contrast. The positive shipment performance in Q3, which was up by 8.9% was largely driven by the strong performance of Espolon in the Jamaican runs, Ed, as we mentioned earlier, coupled also with a favorable comp base last year, the U.
S. Was down 2.8% in Q3. The, very strong performances of Espolon, particularly as well as the Jamaican rum, helped to offset the shipment declines in Sky and Wild Turkey, will continue to be affected by the destocking as well as Grand Marnier Aperol, which suffered from the strong exposure to the on premise channel. Depletions continued to grow above shipments, 13, up double, strong double digit, 14.4% in Q3, and The brand momentum across the portfolio in the off premise continues to be quite strong, with sell out on average at plus 30.8% overall, and a strong double digit growth in our core brands since lockdown. So we're consistently outperforming the local market by 10.4 percentage points.
As shown by the earlier chart. Jamaica was down by 7.6%. This overall decline is due to on premise strictions as well as the highly reduced touristic flow amplified also by a quite a tough comp base. Last year, Jamaica was up 17.3% over the 9 months period. The good news is that weighing nephew overproof, which is a quite a high marginality brand is continuing to register robust growth.
Canada continuing to grow double digit, up 11.1%, very resilient growth, continued in the largely off premise market. Key drivers are Forti Creek, and on Alnya and the Jamaican non portfolio. While we have also nice growth on Campari Sky and Aperol in Q3. Brazil is down by 11.4% This is an on premise skewed market, which remains challenged with a negative performance across the portfolio, particularly in Campari Africa and Sky. Of the local Brazilian brands registered some weakness in Q3.
The rest of the regions of South America including Mexico as well, was down 23.5%. Mexico declined by 34.3%. Q3 was, was better. We were only down 6.8%, thanks to the positive momentum in Sky RTD as well as after all. Argentina grew by 4.6%.
This is quite, quite positive given that, yeah, we're tracking the volumes here. As we do hyperinflation accounting. Moving on to, our 2nd largest recent Southern Europe Moody's and Africa overall down by 14.2 percent on an organic basis, almost compensated by the perimeter, which was up by 10.3 market. Percent. Italy is down 11.6%.
So clearly, the strong decline we saw in the first half of the year was mitigated by the very positive Q3, where we were up by 35.4%. It's an on premise focused market. As you know, 70% of the Marcus net sales are in the on premise. And as the on premise progressively erode from year into key summer season, we clearly benefited from it. The entire portfolio registered growth in the third quarter.
Most importantly, our high margin IP IT both the big bottles, Apparel and Campari, as well as the single serve IPs, Campari Soda and Cuadino. And the latter were also helped by a seasonal rebound. This outperformance was driven by the short term reaction to the listing of, restrictive measures as well as the so called vacation effect, which really drove domestic consumption, and this helped offset the lack of international tourism. The evolution, unfortunately, towards the end of Q3, in Beyond premise, is characterized by renewed signs of uncertainty. Due to the resurgence of the pandemic.
And as you know, the government also introduced new measures, last Sunday, which will negatively impact the on price. The rest of the region was down 21.6%. France grew double digit, as we benefited from the positive shift in phasing, after having destocked in the beginning of the year as of the route to market set up. The key driver there is, Aperol followed by Sabona and Campari, and our sellout data is very positive in that market. Unfortunately, Spain declined by 45.4%.
It's a heavy on premise food market, and it is, severe impact that both by the pandemic, the subsequent restriction as well as the significant reduction in tourism which occurred over the quarter. Within Africa, Nigeria grew by low single digits, while South Africa's decline was market change. And last but not least, and this is not unexpected. Global travel retail was down almost 65% and it remains, clearly a very highly challenged channel. Moving on to, Right.
So, Star, North Central, and Eastern Europe, up 11.3% of organic growth. Germany, our 1st largest market, up to 7.6%, very solid growth overall, and this is a predominantly off premise market. With quite an acceleration in Q3 where we grew by 25.5%. We were expecting the state's vacation. So, well, We tailored our plans accordingly and we waived the rewards.
The staycation boosted our core Aperitif at all, up 36.8 percent, Campari 28.44 percent. And although it's coming from a low basis, Crodino is also growing very nicely at 40.8%. And we expect good things on that broad in in future years. We've had positive overall growth in Buda, the Green Grant as well as Ultra 12, which sales are highly concentrated in that market. The UK continues to grow double digits, up 22.8%, a very resilient market, which grew mid single digits in Q3, Bear in mind that the comp base was very, very tough.
We grew by almost 53% in 2019. And it's clearly the growth is being led by Aperol, Graeme, a few white overproof, magnetonic, and Campari. Russia also strong double digit growth of almost 20%, 19.8%, continued very positive performance with a nice acceleration in Q3. Again, we, we maximize the season, growing by 20.6%. This is predominantly off premise market and, Arthur Oceans are removed from Honduras and Campari led the way.
The rest of the region grew mid single digit up 4.5% with the exception of, Switzerland of double digit 12.8%. Closing our regions on page number 14, Asia Pac, 5.5% organic growth with, Australia growing by 21% are quite strong, compensating for the decline in the rest of the regions. In Australia, very positive growth, in a predominantly off premise market. Again, a very nice acceleration in Q3, but here as opposed to the, Aperitifs, there was mostly the bourbon portfolio and the ready to drink speeding the way. And we've also seen some nice growth behind, land grant Campari to now remove from J.
D. K. And Espolon. With regard to the rest of the area, China declined after a negative shipment phase in Q3, but we're very nice broke rate confusion recur and also very positive results so far on the micro bottles on Aperol. New Zealand also declined, although trends improved there.
And Japan in line with expectation declined double digit in connection with the route to market change. Unfortunately, though, we're starting to turn the corner in Japan as a good set of data is starting to come through. Moving on to page number 15, the analysis by brands, starting with the global priority brands, our largest brand Aperol, on a nylon basis, growing by 2.6% a very strong clustering 6.2% in Q3, nice acceleration in the peak Q3 period. Clearly, Italy contributed quite a bit since it represents 45% of the brand sales. And, as I mentioned earlier, we benefited strongly from the staycation effect, not only in that market, but also in the core German market.
Elsewhere, the brand registered quite a resilient performance with strong off premise and online sales in other core markets, particularly France, Switzerland, as well as high potential in seeding markets,
in particular,
Russia, Canada and the UK. We've had a temporary decline in the U. S. Due to destocking given the on premise fee of the brand, while both depletions, which were up by 7.5% and sellout trends, which were up by 40% remained very positive in the off premise. Campari, flattish on 9 months, up by 19% in Q3, Again, a very positive Q3 in Italy, up double digit, benefiting from the same factors out there on.
Resilient growth in other key markets such as Germany, Nigeria, the U. S. And France, which then was offset by decline in important markets such as Jamaica, Brazil, and global travel retail. On a shipment basis, Grand Marnier was down by 10.4% on 9 months, 11.9% increase. Very positive performance in Canada, but this was more than offset by the destocking, which is continuing in the U.
S. As well as the, poor performance in the global travel retail environment. Importantly, though, if we look at its core market in the U. S, both sellouts and depletion are quite positive, sellout and we have seen on the off premise is growing double digit, around 30% week after week, and the patients are up mid single digit. On a year to date basis.
Sky, also on a shipment basis, down 15.3% on 9 months, 12.9% on the quarter, continued overall decline in the core US market or were down 6.9%. This is clearly being driven by the destocking which we expect to continue into Q4 on some selected SKUs. But if we look at sell out, the brand, is doing much better, both, depletions as well as our sell out trends on the mid single digit and particularly the core is doing well. Internationally, we were impacted by the shipment phasing in China, but by real end market performance in Canada and Italy. Moving on to, the bourbons, overall down 4.3%, up 2.5% on the quarter.
Positive growth overall for the Wild Turkey Bourbon in Q3, clearly driven by the core markets the west in Australia. The brand is continuing to catch up to a more positive depletion and sell out trends, which are actually double digit in the core U. S. Market. This growth was partly mitigated by the double digit in core Japan, and this again is due to destocking but in this case in connection with the route to market change.
Positively, though, the high end of our bourbon portfolio is doing very nicely and accelerating Q3,
we've seen
lots of reserves in Wild Turkey Mountain Branch growing by 9.4% with a nice acceleration in that quarter. American Honey declined overall, but registered growth in the Q3 period, up 17% We actually had some out of stock issues, which impacted, Australia in Q2. So we're cycling these and, returning to a healthier pattern. Moving on to the runs, to close our global priority brands, up 6.2% on 9 month 0.5% on Q3. This, this growth is mostly driven by Grand Nethew, white overproof, which, grew almost by 25%.
Continued positive trend in Jamaica as it is consumed mostly by locals, and very nice pickup in international markets in U. S. And the UK, which are large markets, as well as in Canada where they're starting off with small days. Appleton Estate registered an overall negative performance, or let's say basically flattish, despite the acceleration in Q3, and this was largely driven by Canada, the U. S.
And New Zealand, which are helping compensate South American markets as the, relaunch brand new packaging and a new brand visual identity is proving to be quite successful in the Northern market. Moving on to our regional priorities, Espolon going from strength to strength, up almost 30% on 9 months, more than doubling plus 107% in Q3. Clearly, an off performance driven by the core US market where on a shipment basis, we were up 34.3%. On a 9 months basis, almost 132% in Q3. We had very strong category momentum, but within the category, the brand is also, outperforming very, very strongly, as highlighted by very solid depletion and shallow trends.
Importantly, the brand is also becoming meaningful in markets such as Canada and Australia, which are growing healthily. Unfortunately, Bulldog is down double digits, 20.2%. It's continuing to be impacted by Global Travel Retail And Course Spain, which are really impacted by
the close of 'nineteen pandemic.
If we move on to the whiskey, the GlenGrant also impacted by global travel retail, down double digits 27%. Here, it's not only travel travel retail, but also there was a change in South Africa, which is impacting it. Forty Creek on the other hand is in positive territory, up 7.5% on a 9 month basis, slightly down on a to free basis, nice double digit performance in Canada, but the U. S. Moving on to the Italian bidders and the curves, down double digits, although improving in in in Q3.
This overall negative performance is clearly impacted by the on premise queue of these bidders and curves. Largely due to declines in the core Italy and the U. S. Over the 9 months period. Q3 improved particularly for Aperna which responded very positively to the new packaging as well as the new campaign.
So, we expect to improve these trends. In the quarters to come. Sparkling wine has removed the Chinsano brand, down 8.1% year to date, but a nice catch up in Q3. I and 0.5%. And this is mostly due to the vermouth, which had a very solid double digit growth in Q3, up 18.6%.
Thanks to their recovery, and it's 2 core markets, Russia and Argentina. Sparkling lines, were down 10.5%. Again, improving trend in Q3 at 4.8%. And this thanks to Eastern European markets, as well as, the recovery in Germany. Last time, but not least, our local priorities, you see, there was a very strong recovery in core into the Campari Soda in Crodino in Q3.
So that was up 46.3%, Crodino 24.2% so significantly reducing the declines we saw in the 1st 6 months of the year. Moving on, the, Wild Turkey RTDs in Australia growing very strongly and also accelerating in Q3. Again, this was led by our overall performance in the Australian market. The Brazilian local brands are up on an online spaces, but down almost 10% in Q3, as that market continues to be impacted both by the pandemic as well as the very, let's say, weak economic environment. Ouzo 12 growing double digit, mostly, constant sales concentrated in Germany, again, Brian reacting very well.
Last but not least, Cabo Wabo benefiting from category, momentum growing double digit as well and these sales are most concentrated in the U. S. So this was it from a perspective, and now Paolo will take you through the finances. Thank you, Bob.
If you follow me to Page 2022, we can see that gross profit on a reported basis was down in 9 months by 5.2 percent in value to 59.4 percent on sales, showing 250 basis points dilution. Looking at the existing business, the gross profit organically was down by 700% in the value leading to 270 basis point margin dilution in the 1st 9 months of this year. The dilution was driven by 2 factors unfavorable sales mix lower absorption of fixed production cost. Looking at the unfavorable sales mix, we have 3 factors there. 1st and foremost, the outperformance of the lower margin as well due to the high aggregate price.
Secondly, shipment declines in higher margin grammarnier campaign after all our brands in the U. S. This is called due to, to destocking. Effect. And thirdly, with results in the Aperitif Portfolio in Italy, which was strongly hit by the on premise closure in the second quarter of this year.
If you look at the third quarter in isolation on the contract, we have quite, quite solid results and improving trends, Gross profit organically was up to 10% in value, showing a more contained dilution at 100 60 basis points versus 260 basis points on 270 basis points on a year to date basis. The reduction of the margin dilution was driven by, a positive, a positive sales mix. But on the other hand, the margins were continued to be affected by negative sales mix, mainly driven by combined effect of growth in the lower margin at Poland and Japan declines in high margin Grand Mariana effective business in, in the US, while on the contrary, in Italy, we had, you know, acquired encouraging results in the third quarter in isolation. A and P, on a reported basis, we're was down 7.3% in value to 16.8% on sales, showing 100 basis points, margin accretion. In existing business, A and P was down in value by 6.9 percent, driving 80 basis points, margin accretion.
Thanks to cost containment measures. The postponement of certain initiatives in the on premise channel, particularly in the second quarter of this year. On the contrary, in the third quarter, of this year, A and P increase in value by 17.9% organically. Leading to 80 basis points in margin dilution, driven by accelerated investments behind the high margin operative business. Which, it's a big season, together with continuous investment in both digital brand building and online brand activation as well as the new, as, initiatives.
Yes, G and A on a reported basis, we're up at 2.2% in value, 23.2% on net sales, showing 110 basis points dilution. Existing business, we had the quite contained increase of SG And A, with a value increase of 0.7 center driving, just 80 basis point margin dilution, mainly due to the lower absorption of fixed cost that in SG And A around for about 80, 85 percent of the of the total bill with cost to container and measure mainly related to variable and discretionary costs. Again, during the third quarter, if you look at the third quarter, in isolation SG and A, grew at a very contained pace with an increase in value of 1.8 percent significantly behind the top line growth of 12.9% in the third quarter, leading to 200 basis point organic accretion of my If you follow me to page 23, EBIT adjusted on our on a reported basis, was down at 13.7% in value. At 19.5% to 0.4% on sales, down from 32.1% from, 20, 2019. In existing business, if it's adjusted organically declined by 15.1% in value.
Leading to 280 basis point margin dilution in the 1st 9 months of this year. And that was largely due to negative sales mix lower absorption of fee structure cost, given the top line decline coupled with, somehow a tough comp base as the 1st 9 months of last year grew by, EBIT grew by 9.9% in value. In in the third quarter, on a stand alone basis, EBIT adjusted performance was quite robust. In value, up 11.2 percent or a 1,000,000 with a very contained EBITDA dilution in terms of margins by just 30 basis points. And that was due to a positive top line results, while margin continued to be affected by negative sales acceleration of A and P investment, which are due by 80 basis points in the third quarter.
And that effect were partially mitigated by SG and A efficiencies as we saw before. EBITDA adjusted on a reported basis was down by 9% 9.7% in value to 23.9 percent on net sales. And in existing business, EBITDA adjusted declined by 11.7% in value, generated 140 basis points from margin dilution. Moving on to Page 24. Cooper, recorded operative adjustments for, an amount of 1,000,000 of which 27,300,000 Euro have been registered in, in the first half of this year.
Primarily due to the, recognition of impairment loss of 1,000,000 on the put of the trademark. That is, you know, as you can see below, totally offset by the write off of the Bordeaux earn out for a corresponding amount. And on top of data, we, you know, group, made some, some donations support the standard of air emergency. And then, following the completion of 3 deals, we there's some M and A transaction fees. In the third quarter, we've recorded further operating adjustment for an amount €20,900,000 due to the treasury program in in Jamaica where we're exiting the agribusiness.
And that is a 1 off cost of 1,000,000, topped up by some costs relating to redomiciliation and some other initiatives, again, M and A transaction fees, primarily. Net financial charges came in at 7,400,000 or 1000000 higher versus the 1st 9 months of last year. We incurred in the €2,300,000 of negative variances due to exchange rate differences. And, And although the average indebtedness in the 1st 9 months is higher versus last year, by 1,000,000 versus 1,000,000 of last year. Such effect has been compensated by lower average cost of net debt, 3.8% this year versus 4.94.1% in the 1st 9 months of last year.
Was a post period, highly impacted by negative carry, it said due to, the large amount of, cash sitting on our current accounts. The decreased cost of net debt is largely attributable to the reduced average gross debt coupon. On the put option and earn out, we have a positive impact of 1,000,000 the bulk of it sits with the write down of the write off of the earnout in the on the Bulldog acquisition. A group pretax profit came in at €190,200,000, down 32.2, 32.4 percent grew pretax profit, adjusted income in at 1,000,000 down 15.1%. If you move on to Page 25, We have the
financial
position. The net financial position came in at 1,000,000,001,000,000 1,000,000 from 1,000,000, primarily driven by the acquisitions, whose cost total, the 1,000,000. The tax payment related to the disposal of Villa, etcetera, for 1,000,000. The dividend payment for 1,000,000 the share buyback, which, at, at, in, in the 1st 9 months, total 212 1,000,000 for an overall amount of 1,000,000. Overall, the the net financial debt was up by 1,000,000 versus the back end of June with a very solid recurring free cash flow, which has been, you know, generating a third quarter, which was totally, you know, total reauxite in the accelerated buyback program, which accounted for 1,000,000 in the third quarter of this year.
With regards to the buyback program, I was by noting that the total program accounts for 1,000,000. As said, we bought shares for 1,000,000, we're expecting to buy further 1,000,000 in the fourth quarter of this year so that we've been in a position of having bought back at 1,000,000 by December 2020. And then we will complete the buyback program in the first quarter of 2021 with further €50,000,000, share buyback. And that could be direct for just came in at 2.4 times, at the end of September. Probably unchanged versus, the the back end of June.
The 9 months period of closing, 6 of October, the group completed the issuing of a new 7 year Eurobond for the consideration of 1,000,000 with a very, you know, interest in coupon of 1.25 percent,
which,
you know, within April, as to expand the overall debt maturity profile, as well as to improve the average nominal coupon for bonds and term loan, which will decline from two point 15% to 1.32%. I think this is it on numbers, you know, I wouldn't back to Bob for, an update on the marketing initiatives and corporate developments as well as conclusion and outlook. Thank you, Pavel. I'll just a
quick recap on the very intense marketing initiatives before moving on to the outlook. On the Campari brand, we've been able to benefit from the temporary opening. So we were proud to sponsors above the Venice as well as the New York Film Festival, and we see very, very strong and positive coverage for that. At the same time, in September, we kicked off a slightly different and a goony week where we ask consumers to actually donate, money to their favorite bars, and that was also very, very well received by the on premise. And lastly, at the end of the quarter, we launched the new, fully digital, Campari campaign on a global basis.
Aperol is, has also moved basically all, digital with entertainment and digital competitions and digital animations, and that seems to be working quite well, as we saw very strong results over the quarter. Again, a very strong digital push on the Wild Turkey loan branch as well as on Espolon. And, these are, again, very strongly growing brands. So we feel good about that. In terms of new initiatives, we've managed finally to roll out the new, pack size and, much more premium brand visual identity on Crodino in international markets.
And that has been quite nicely received by the, by the on premise, and we're starting to see nice numbers behind the brand. Nothing, but not least, we've also had a very positive reaction to the relaunch of the other end and the brand behind the, probably, Cecilium, new platform. So moving in conclusion, looking forward, I think it's fair to say that we see persistent uncertainty in the short term but, good confidence for the long term business momentum. Now with the progressive uplift of the restrictive measures toward the end of the second quarter, our performance in the 3rd quarter largely benefited from this vacation effect. This temporary effect impacted, in particular, our Aperidines business in their peak summer season in core on premise markets, notably Italy, and were also boosted by favorable weather conditions.
It must also be said that we really from a marketing and sales execution standpoint have done a very, very good job in that period. We've had also strong brand momentum across the portfolio in the off premise across all of our markets. However, unfortunately, towards the end of the quarter, the evolution, of the on premise has characterized by some renewed signs of uncertainty due to the inevitable resurgence of the pandemic and many areas of the world and that has led to a series of different forms of measures across different markets, which clearly will impact the on premise in the months to come. Looking at the remainder of 2020, we believe that it will be marked by uncertainty due to the evolution of the pandemic. The restrictive measures, which are being reintroduced by the government, Many affected markets are expected to potentially generate an adverse effect on consumption in the on premise channel.
The trend of which remains obviously highly unpredictable, particularly during the key holiday season at year end. All, you know, might have a staycation effect there too, but, impossible to predict at this stage. Moreover shipments in the US continue to be affected by the ongoing destocking activity, particularly the Sky brand and only some SKUs of that brand. So we'll have we'll see a progressive catching up with the positive sellout trends across the rest of the portfolio. Long term, there's no question that we will continue to undertake all of the necessary non structural actions contain the effects of the pandemic on the business in the short term.
And but we will remain highly focused on pursuing our long term strategy because we know that the really pays up. We remain highly confident about our long term consumption trends and growth opportunities We will continue to leverage the centron resilience of our brands, our business model, as well as strategy, ensuring that it has strongly positioned and ready to accelerate the growth as soon as consumers can resume their habits in the on premise. As a very committed and long term brand builder, we will remain focused on highly engaged in the off premise opportunity with our distinctive brand portfolio. We're firmly convinced that the out of home social experience as well as the condensed reality will remain absolutely essential to consumers' lifestyles, as demonstrated clearly, very clearly by consumers' consumption behaviors in the third quarter. So this is it on our end and happy to take your questions.
Excuse me. This is a Chorus Call conference operator. We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Simon Hales of Citi. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you. Good afternoon, Bob. Hi, Farley. Just a couple of questions, please. Firstly, Bob, be, you're talking at a lot more cautiously about the outlook as you head into to q 4.
Could you maybe sort of talk a little bit about maybe the exit rate that you saw across some of your businesses from a sales point of view, you know, through the end of Q3, that's particularly about what you've seen in September. Maybe some of your European markets. And if there's anything you can say as to how that trend has perhaps evolved through the early part of October, given those on premise restrictions that we're seeing increasingly come through. And then secondly, I would say the best view around stock levels in a couple of your markets. You know, for us French standpoint, you called out, no, the benefit of shipment phasing in Q3.
Was that all completed in the 3rd quarter? Or should we expect shipments to run ahead of depletions in Q4 in France as well? And then on the US business, you know, you referenced some ongoing destocking, particularly around some of the Sky SKUs into the 4th quarter. You know, when should we expect the shipments just really start matching depletions in totality in the US market, how much more destocking or any more months worth of destocking you think we've got to go?
Yes. Thank you, Simon. Now with regards to the Q3, I mean, the end of September, we say it was more a question of feeling And we started seeing a slowdown in the on premise, particularly in Italy, in October and most towards the end of the month. I mean, last week, we started seeing the signs where, from being, you know, double digit ahead, versus, same period a year ago, were down mid single digit on a day by day basis. So you know, who knows where it's going to go.
But it's important to say that whilst the, measures taken the government will undoubtedly have an adverse effect on the on premise in Italy in Q4. It's worth mentioning that Q4 is very different from Q2. It's very different from a, brand focus standpoint. Clearly, it's not high seasonality for our ability business. Also if we look at the measures taken, currently, they're not as totalitarian as in Q2.
You know, the parts of the day where the on premise remains open. There are certain areas of the country where it remains open. And last but not least though, we've also learned quite a bit in Q2 in Italy on how to do our brand building in the off premise. And so we were prepared for things to happen and we'll do our best best possible. So net in net, yes, it will affect us, but, most probably not as bad as in as in Q2.
Yes.
With regards to the destocking effect, you know, based on our, you know, current visibility and analysis, we have estimated that the 9 months impact of the stalking, they are of €35,000,000 to €40,000,000. So it's a big number. And we believe, you know, in the third quarter in isolation, the destocking accounted for about 1,000,000 And so we're looking at the the fourth quarter of the year, you know, worthwhile, you know, calling out, you know, a potential you know, further destocking effect, which will be, you know, south of the €5,000,000, we we don't know exactly, you know, to be, you know, 3,000,000, you know, within the $5,000,000. And so that's, you know, how we see it, you know, clearly the the destocking has impacted the imports brands primarily. The heavy cases where distributors have implemented a more effective way of managing inventory levels.
And this is clearly driving most of the margin dilution that we've seen in the 9 months of the of the year topped up by what we said on Espolon as well as a lower absorption of fixed cost. But then with regards to fourth quarter, the last point that I wanted to call out is the effects. That is, you know, moving, you know, opposite direction with regards to dollar. And so we'll be recognized that it is rather a further, you know, €5,000,000 negatively big impact on the effect. So destocking and FX are the 2 major movers in the, in the for this year.
It is also worth underlining that we thought that destocking in the U. S, our net sales on a 9 month basis would have been actually flat versus year ago, which is quite a good performance within this environment.
That's great. Can I just clarify, Paolo, your comments and your numbers you gave on the destocking impact? Is that the impact on the U. S. Business destocking alone or is that total across group destocking?
Yes, it's total, but it's primarily coming from the U. S.
Got it. And then just in terms of my question on France for the fourth quarter, is there any further lingering benefit on shipment phasing or is that done in Q3? Oh, it's it's, so, you know,
it's mostly done. We believe, you know, we don't see major impact in Q4.
We're pretty much operating on a pool model across all of our markets. Clearly that the one exception this year is the US because of the destocking, you know, happening at the wholesale level.
Got it. And just one final point of clarification for the Bob. In terms of Italy and seasonality, of your business to the on premise. How do we think about the 70% exposure going to the on premise to typically see for the year. What is that in Q4?
It's still around 70% or is it a lot lower?
It should be lower. I don't have the exact figure in mind, but clearly, Q4 starts moving more into the brown spirits and sparkling wines.
Got it. Very clear. Thank you very much.
The next question is from Olivier Nikoli of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Just a follow-up on the shipment of the stipulation question. If you wouldn't mind, you gave us some comments on the U. S. And France, which is very useful. But just a very strong growth obviously in Italy and Germany.
The strong double digit growth you've seen in the quarter is completely matching the underlying demand?
Or is there still a
bit of a mismatch here as well between the shipments and underlying division? And then just on the Aperol, you've done in previous years, you've done a lot of work to try to deseasonalize the brand, which obviously was heavy skewed towards the summer, but you've been pushing it in ski resorts and so on. Now how big is Q4 for the brand And could you comment perhaps on the initiative you're taking to stay relevant in the off trade for the winter months? Thank you.
Yes, I mean, with regards to U. S. And France, I mean, we're very robust, hope depletions as well as, you know, set out data or double digit across both, in the US, and in France were outperforming the market. So, you know, we feel very strongly and very positively about the business in both markets. In Italy and Germany as well over the quarter, frankly, the, our, our shipments mirrored the the set up and, our, we we were planning on a strong quarter because we, we, we thought there would be a staycation effect.
So we really did plan that Having said that, so, you know, our supply chain had really to react to, a very, very strong demand coming from from consumers. Now, and after all, yes, we we have BC's immunized it, bear bear in mind that, a lot of, let's say the activations would have been truly happened in Q1 and skiing resorts and stuff like that, which obviously will not happen. But with regards to, the, brand and its, opportunities in the off premise, we're really focusing on visibility in store, in store theaters and activating it very strongly via digital.
Thank you very much.
The next question is from Lawrence Wyatt of Barclays. Please go ahead, sir.
Thanks very much for the questions. Could I just have a follow-up on the U. S. Business and just you could give us an idea of your normal level of stock in terms of number of data stock in the channel and what it currently is Secondly, your advertising went up in Q3, and now it seems you've got to advertise in both the on trade and the off trade in slightly different quantities than normal, as we have a continued sort of work from home and, reduction of use in the entree, do you think the current level of advertising that we saw in Q3 will be more normal as we go into sort of 2021 and perhaps beyond. And then finally, just on M and A, we've seen lots of activity in the Spirit's world, especially in premium gins, to how do you see your current gin offering?
And do you think there's any opportunity for premium, gins, in that space.
I'll take, thanks, Lawrence. I'll take the last two questions. Starting with the last one, you know, premium gin, we think that category has almost turned into into wine. I mean, the shelves are so full of so many different, labels that we really don't see the benefit of making an acquisition in that area. So we're happy with the regions we have and we will nurture them and grow them you know, there's no point spending money, adding franchises in that category from our point of view.
With regard to A and P, I mean, we expect that on a full year basis, this year as well as next year to be around, like by like, level to be in line as a percentage of sales on an organic basis versus last year. So not much of a big change on A and P, it's much more a question of the mix, which is changing. Were moved significantly from offline to online.
Yes, with regards to the normal level of stocks in the U. S. Business, as Bob had just mentioned, we've strongly moved towards a full model whereby assumption, drive the depletion, depletion, which drive shipments. So you cannot give a number for the whole portfolio because it very much depends on whether brands are imported or are locally produced typically a locally produced brand. So you have lower inventory days on imports.
You have higher inventory days, even the fact that the lag time to supply the market is longer. So basically the wholesalers are reviewing their numbers to make sure that they are, you know, as effective as possible in managing their inventory levels. On average, we can say that, you know, 60 days a couple of months is, is, you know, sensible number, which can vary with, you know, lower inventory days on, locally produced brands and higher inventory days on imports.
Understood. Thank you. And just on the 60 days as normal, where would you say you currently are. We're at half that level or
Yeah. What about that?
Thank you very much. Good morning.
Excuse me, sir. The next question is from Trevor Sterling of Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Morning, Bob and Paulo. Just one question for me available to be answered. With the phenomenal growth on that growth of Espolon, is there any risk of supply problems
Yeah. Thank you. I mean, you know, our supply chain has really been dancing on pretty nice this year. Trying to ensure we, we, we supply the market. No, we don't think we have any buy issues, but clearly the strong demand across the category is not helping, reduce the price of agave, which remains flat.
Super. Thanks. That's it, Bob. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
The next question is from Edward Mundy of Jefferies. Please go ahead, sir.
Afternoon, both afternoon, Tyler. Excuse me, the process is even very successfully capturing It should be on to the off trade, during the pandemic. I wanted to share with us what your on this is off trade split was pre pandemic and where you think it might be today. The second question is, again, some of the questions that we have. The first is around the operator as the structures are lifted, in the third quarter, is there any evidence that the consumption dynamics in the off trade stage firm?
I think you get the added benefit of the on trade coming back. Are you people still treated as much at home? And then you're getting a bit of an uplift, as people go out And then the the final one is around, CC utilization of Afroles. I think some celebrity go out there. Potentially mixing after all with things like Apple started to move more or terminal, outdoor scripts.
And do you think there's an opportunity moving terms do more with our customer recipes, and it's what we've done with Campari. So we're gonna keep it to, sort of, call, Professor, and and and and Walter, and their core serve.
Hi, thanks. Thanks for your questions. Starting with the last one, I think in most markets, you know, we're serious. We're really still in the in the building phase of the brand. So we'd like to stick on just one brand call and one signature drink, which is the Apparel sprint.
Consumers and celebrities feel free to, you know, pump their apple spritz is adding different things, you know, good good for them. But, we're highly, highly focused also in our entertainment initiatives on the perfect serve of the apparel spreads. Now with, what happens to the off trade and the on trade when market's reopened, I think, clearly, the habits, which are being instilled now with consumers in Western Country freeze, getting to the habit of making themselves and offering them their guests as well as cocktails. I think that is here to stay I think for the years to come. That's a real positive of the pandemic and we're even starting to see some of that in Italy.
So, but as as the on, reopens, as seen by Q3, we see a very big, you know, growth from that channel. So overall, we see we we expect that, you know, once the pandemic over, that the new normal will be overall, quite positive with a strong on premise returning as well as the at home, spirits and spirits cocktails taking market share from other alcohol categories. With regard to the split on the on, off per market and how it's varied, we we haven't really calculated it, but I would expect that you know, in all of our markets, the off premise will have increased by probably, you know, 10, percent. It's share of the total or even more in markets like Italy where the on premise, was shut in Q2. But these are just estimates from my, from my side.
And we need to calculate them and come back to you with more precise numbers.
Okay, thank you.
Next question is from Andrea Pistacchi of Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Hi. Hi, Doug. Hi, Paulo. 3 from me, please. The first one on on after all in the in the US are you doing anything maybe the difference in the U.
S. Compared to other markets to maintain the brand's momentum given the, I mean, the very significant on trade proposal has in the US and the slightly early early, maturity in the US compared to to other market. In a slightly broader question on the competitive environment across the market, if you've seen any change, maybe with some of the smaller players craft players being weakened in the current environment or
is it too early to tell?
And then just an update, if you can please on on on Jamaica. You have an update on the potential cost savings for the business there?
Hi, Andre. Let me take the first two questions. On apparel in the U. S, Clearly, in those markets where the on premise is open, we're trying as much as possible to continue with our normal activation method. Whereas in all the rest and in general, where we've strengthened our visibility in the, in the off premise and as well as all of our, digital, activation initiatives.
So, you know, if you look at the Nielsen, we're growing very nicely around 50%, which in this environment, I think quite good for the brand and will continue to do so. We don't see the need to do anything really different in the U. S. What's working in the rest of the world is working in the U. S.
Us that we need to dose, you know, our activations by channel depending on the situation of the individual states. With regards to the competitive environment, I mean, during the full lockdown, obviously, discounting came down significantly. Across markets. Now it's picking up a little bit, but nothing really major. Clearly, in the U.
S, there's weakness on the part of craft brands.
In Jamaica, the bleeding that we tend top on our sugar and agricultural business. It's currently, you know, €12,000,000 per, per year plan. So, you know, the restructuring there, which would be finalized by the end of this year, will put us in a position achieving efficiency for about, you know, 8,000,001, 2021. And thereafter, we'll capture the the remainder. The cost of reorganization for this year as I've, you know, highlighted is €11,000,000.
Great. Thank you.
You're welcome.
The next question is from Ryan Sintan of JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, Bob. Good afternoon, Paolo. Quintin, I am here from JP Morgan. Just two questions for me, please. Firstly, do in terms of the margin drivers as reflected into Q4 and into 2021.
Firstly, this line SG and talked about A and P earlier, but SG and A was your saving around 200 basis points year on year in Q3. Given the strong 2019 sales method that's coming during Q3 and I guess the outlook for Q4, did you be expecting a number of, like, employee bonuses or, any sort of overhead or other allocation costs to come through instead of q 4 or 20 21 that we should be thinking about. Then secondly, just a more broad question. Your RTD portfolio in Q3 did quite well, like compared in compiling soda. Cuadino and, well, take the RTDs.
What are you thinking that the RTD space more broadly? And in particular, would you consider either going to add launching in the type of range of against the high sulfur categories or even being the upper oil brine into a more widely available R2B? Thank you.
Yes, with regards to the margin trend, in Q4 and in coming here in starting on the gross margin, it's very much depends on the sales mix and how the hiring high margin, Brian, so it will be, you know, affected given the current restrictions. With regards to the SG and A trend, we expect SG and A to grow very little in the fourth quarter as they did in insert in the 2nd quarter of, of this year. With regards to today and P, you know, we we intend to step up at the E and Pinda in the first quarter. You know, clearly, you know, we'd be sensible and we will manage it spend also, you know, given the, you know, the the business conditions and given, you know, our ability to activate the brand So it will, it will very much depends on the market conditions in, I think, going forward. We believe, you know, trends in, you know, the trends in gross margins will highly depend on our ability to to execute the strategy.
Fundamentally, as it has been proven by the strong performance in the third quarter of this year, you know, if, you know, in, in, in normal conditions where, where, you know, the entree is, is open, missing the stocking, the ability of the group to deliver gross margin expansion is in our view, unchanged. And
SG and
A and P, you know, as I said, you know, we don't see, you know, SG and A and P as
to significant
levers to achieve EBIT margin expansion. There could be opportunities, of course, that the EBIT margin expansion going forward in any normal condition will be primarily driven by gross margin expansion.
Now with regard to your question on RTD, I mean, frankly being long term brand builders, we're not great brands. Offline extensions. We haven't been that in the past. We're not going to be it in the future. Clearly, we try to maximize and do high quality brand building work on our existing portfolio of RTDs, which is mostly concentrated in Australia and Mexico, which are 2 big RTB markets.
We're looking at the opportunity in in in China, but we'll we'll see how that goes. With regards to to Aperol, we've only extends the effort already to enjoy to very few markets. Actually, it's most of the business is ethnicity, which is the most mature market for the brand. And by the way, our aperol numbers do not include the, after all ready to enjoy, numbers, which are significant on their own, But, so given the overall situation, we'll consider to potentially test and extend in those markets where Aperol is the most mature, but it's not going to be anything massive. We'd rather build things the right way for the long term.
Great. Thank you. But just back to the first question, in terms of the synergy SG and A and overhead costs into next year, Is there anything that we should be thinking about now in terms of the employee bonuses coming back, rehiring costs, consultancy fees? Or should, as you said, should we just expect SG and A to sort of broadly increase in line with sales?
Well, you know, I, you know, I expect that for this year, you know, bonuses will not be, you know, paid in, in, in their totality. So that's, that's a fair sum So, you know, there would be, you know, some further savings that we can achieve in, in Q4, and then, you know, in 2020 21. It would very much depends on the ability of the group to deliver on targets. So, yes, that's a variable part. You know, has said that, you know, our SG and A line, you know, contains, 85% of costs that are, you know, fixed.
And are unprofitable and 15% of the costs that are variable, including, you know, commissions, bonuses and on and so forth. So this is the part of the SG and A that is destined to flow that part into the top line and the overall results of the group.
The next question comes from Nico Von Stackelberg, a private investor. Please go ahead, sir.
Hi gentlemen. Thank you so much for the call. I I just want to ask you a quick one on e commerce initiatives and your thoughts around the viability of direct to consumer. So for example, I'd be happy to buy your new, 24 back of 17.5 to send it with a curved email, a bottle of apple, 2 Transano, it's maybe an orange and a small soda. And you consider doing that as a a sort of package for a, for consumer.
Why can't I buy directly from your site?
Yes, thanks, thanks for the question. Clearly, we see e commerce as a great opportunity going forward. You know, we've been, working, on this for the past year or so. I mean, markets like the UK are the most advanced. It's about 5% of sales.
The rest of the US, Germany are more around 2%. But, unfortunately, they're all growing triple digit. And we're managing that by, you know, 3rd party provider, providers who are specialized in that, the likes of Amazon, Drizly, mini bar and so on. The direct to consumer model is something which we're trying to evaluate, And clearly, the, TANICO acquisition is more for us to learn and then decide what we want to do in that area. It's not our core competence.
And, before making a big impact there, we we we would like to learn about it Having said that, so I think there's ample opportunity for you to go shopping on any of those providers, and find, to arrange
our total portfolio.
Absolutely. Thank you. And two quick questions.
Do you have the number for recurring free cash flow for the 9 month And also, can you tell me the, more about your appetite for M and A in this environment? Thank you.
Yes. The recurring free cash flow in the 1st 9 months accounted EUR 490,000,000 for which, 65,000,000 being generated in the first half than 125,000,000 in the third quarter on a stand alone basis. So you're very robust that the cash position is in the third quarter of the year.
No, the appetite for M and A remains our wallet is a little bit thicker, as you know. Now we've got to find the shares.
Perfect. Thank you, guys.
The next question is from Robert Ramson of UBS. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thank you very much for taking my questions. You commented earlier on October trends, theoretically. Any broader comments about how other markets are doing over the last month? My second question is, any chance you can quantify the impact of the Espolon growth on margin?
Or alternatively. Can you help us understand, the regional gross margin movements this quarter? And then finally, Eli from one of your earlier the earlier questions. Can you tell us how the April pipeline is kind of going or evolving? For example, do you think you can continue the momentum in places like Germany, Russia, and UK next year when obviously the BAR context will be very different?
Thank you very much.
Yeah, let me take the last two questions. I mean, we feel very good about the prospect of the Aperol brand. I mean, it's performing very well also in off prem markets. And, you know, bear in mind that the penetration or the consumption per capita, outside Italy is very, very low. And even in Italy where we are at 30 centimeters per person, it's only 1% of total beer.
So you know, the opportunity is there for us to see. And the brand health is very good. The model is working. So we'll continue, doing that.
Yes, with regards to the Espolon margin, you know, of course, we cannot we don't disclose profitability by brands. So I cannot be too specific on this one. Clearly, the currently given the significant increase in the agave price, the gross margin, as a percentage of sales on the Escalon brand, is well below the group average, well below group average. And, we find it to a potential opportunity based on current brand size of about 1,000,000 of EBIT uplift. If Yeah.
I got a price moved from the current level of roughly 29 to 30 pesos per kilos to the original price
of 6 peso, Mister Perkes.
Now if, you know, if you ask me, do do you believe that the agave price, sir, would go back to 6 pesos plus kilo? Probably not, and probably not in the short run. But, you know, that said, there is a big opportunity there. To, to, to recover the the brand profitability and have, you know, another, another cylinder that is, you know, adding to the, to the right direction of, of, EBIT margin expansion on top of, you know, the the parity portfolio. So, you know, the Espolon brand has achieved a size that now is quite meaningful in the overall context of the overall gross margin trend and the sooner you know, the average price start declining, you know, the battery keys and for with regards to our ability to deliver gross margin expansion.
The next question comes from Paola Carboni of Equita SIM. Please go ahead, ma'am.
Yes, hi. Good afternoon, everybody. I had a question, a similar question on the impact of Espolon. Let me say, looking at least to the indication you gave at the beginning of the year in terms of the potential impact from think, agave prices that you said, about 8,000,000 on a full year basis. I just wanted you to comment on this now.
So Is this indication still valid, or are we going to see a larger impact on it for your basis? And maybe if you can quantify the impact from agave price in, in Q3 on gross margin. 2nd point, is about, your comment. So that's clearly, the seasonality of a credit very, very different in Q4 from Q3, overall, but you were commenting in particular, in Italy. And, so I was wondering how, we should think about, your digital brand building, when this has to be addressed more to to brown spirits, for example, instead of operators.
So, do you think it's, has, is going to be as effective as with, with the operative, do you see anything different probably in the and the approach you're going to apply. So I was, curious on that. And the 3rd point, sorry, when you commented about September, October, you said that we went from being double digit up to down mid single digit, just to be, to be sure you intended the for Italy of role or just for the on premise, for the on premise business? Thank you.
Yeah. Hi. I followed, on that last point, I was just commenting on the on premise initiative on a daily sales basis. Okay. To clarify.
Now with regards to our brand building, you know, we've really come a long way and have had a very, very steep learning curve globally, but also especially in the city, how to do marketing and sales in this new environment. So you know, we've been expecting, the pandemic to have negative impact on the on premise. So we're prepared for, for the Q4. We'll see how it goes. I mean, clearly, you know, whatever tools we're using are working, So we'll try to make the most out of it.
Having said that, although it's not a, you know, high seasonality for the FDOTs, there's still some business to be had. It's not like we're gonna, you know, take off, our feet from the gas pedal from, continuing to build the brands such as, Aperol, Campari soda. With regards to the impact of the agave
flation guidance was a negative $8,000,000 for the full year. So it could be massively higher, but nothing meaningful. And the impact is almost even discrete among the different quarters. The, you know, clearly, you know, we are implementing a number of actions to mitigate the pressure given the the surge of the tequila consumption in the U. S.
And worldwide, like entering into long term agreements with Agaveros as well as consort agreements, which, you know, puts us in a more comfortable position while looking at the coming years still, the the the unanswered question is, you know, when the the price of aggregate will start falling, we, we, we can't buy you. If we, you know, we wait and see, you know, we do not have an answer at this stage. So probably, you know, beginning of next year, we'll have, you know, better visibility this point.
Okay. Thank you. The next question comes from call Pramvila of Mediobanca. Please go ahead.
Hi, good afternoon everybody. Just a very brief follow-up on that you you recall did, a very strong offer more than 100% year over year year over year in the first quarter. Can you help us understand how much of these outstanding performers that may be seen as sustainable, also in the coming quarters?
I'll give you an idea on what our uptake is. I mean, Aperol is growing double digits, Campari and GlenGrant are somewhere on mid single digit in the market, the rest is just shipment facing.
Okay. Thanks.
Thank you all very much for joining us. And, you know, if at home make yourself a Negroni or Naprospritz, everything will look brighter. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye bye.
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