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Earnings Call: Q3 2022

Nov 3, 2022

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our Q3 nine months 2022 results presentation. I'm Valeria Ricciotti, Head of IR and Credit Rating Agencies. Today, our CEO, Alessandro Profumo, will take you through our progress during the first nine months of this year, and then our CFO, Alessandra Genco, will take you through the nine-month results and the outlook for the full year of 2022. We will then welcome your questions. I will now hand you over to our CEO.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Thank you, Valeria, and good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for taking the time to join us today. Let's start with the key points about our third quarter and nine months results and our recent very positive progress. We have seen good, solid third quarter results, confirmed growth in the first nine months, and we are on track for our full year targets. We have raised our expected level of new order intake, and we are now targeting slightly better free operating cash flow and net debt at the year-end. Our main defense governmental side has delivered a strong and robust performance, and there is a gradual recovery in civil markets. We are commercially strong, and we are achieving a very good commercial momentum.

In the first nine months, order intake stood at EUR 11.7 billion, up 26.8%, adjusting 2021 to exclude the contribution of GES in August and September, increasing significantly year-on-year with a major order of EUR 1.4 billion for 32 AW149 helicopters in Poland signed in July. Even without this large order, we have stepped up our level of new order intake. We have increased our book-to-bill to 1.2 x, providing greater long-term visibility, and we are carrying this strong commercial momentum forward and seeing good demand across defense, governmental, businesses, and faster than expected recovery in civil helicopters. We are delivering well on our strong backlog with revenues at EUR 9.9 billion, up 4.1% on a perimeter-adjusted basis.

We are confirming our growth path in our defense governmental businesses, and we are improving profitability with EBITDA at EUR 619 million, despite headwinds, thanks to good underlying improvement of 9% on a restated basis, adjusting for COVID costs with EBITDA, which last year were previously accounted for below the line. Reflecting the changes in perimeter, the deconsolidation of GES and the inclusion of Ansaldo. With the return on sales at 6.2% or at 7.2% excluding passthrough, we are also delivering on our target of improving cash generation, with free operating cash flow at - EUR 894 million, which is more or less EUR 500 million higher year on year. Higher in the sense that better than the previous year, with higher quality from lower factoring, a reduction in seasonality.

We are on track to reach our slightly higher full year target. Net debt is at 4.4%, also reflecting the old Ansaldo acquisition and the disposal of GES and AAC. Our nine-month results show how we have been delivering across the group. Our main defense and governmental side remains very strong and robust. Helicopter is performing strongly with the defense and governmental very robust, and we are also seeing faster than expected recovery in civil markets. Electronics Europe continues its good progress and is seeing exciting commercial opportunities. DRS is delivering on important key U.S. DoD programs. Aircraft is showing continuous strong profitability, and we are seeing gradual recovery in Aerostructures in line with plan. We're actively managing and navigating the more complex external macro environment, dealing with cost and supply chain pressures. Our group backlog has risen further to over EUR 37 billion.

It's not just an increase in the backlogs that underpins our confidence, but the fact that we are delivering it and it provides us with greater long-term revenue visibility and certainty, especially when we win more platform orders, such as Poland. Overall, this group, the group is on track, and our very strong commercial momentum means we are raising our guidance for new order intakes this year from around EUR 15 billion to a level higher than EUR 16 billion, reflecting both the excellent third quarter order intake, including the EUR 1.4 billion Polish order, but also our confidence level in our short-term order pipeline for fourth quarter, especially in Italy.

We are also confirming our guidance on revenues and EBITDA, while slightly raising our free operating cash flow guidance for the full year, and we are also improving our expected year-end group net debt level from around EUR 3.1 billion - EUR 3 billion, thanks to the free operating cash flow expected at year-end, disposals carried out so far and despite the 25.1% acquisition of Ansaldo. We are also announcing today the redemption of our bonds in the U.S., redeploying the higher than expected proceeds from disposals this year. We are taking advantage of current market opportunities and paying down the most expensive instruments in our portfolio.

As these bonds have coupon in the range of 6.25% - 7.375% with interest expenses of EUR 20 million per year till 2039, 2040. At the same time, we have been making some important strategic steps. This year, seen important moves to help position us best for the future, reinforcing Leonardo's positioning in our defense electronic segment with acquisition of our 25.1% stake in HENSOLDT, which is well placed in sensor solution for defense and security applications. Leonardo DRS is continuing delivering on promises and on a standalone basis. We have completed the divestiture of AAC and GES, leading to more focused DRS. The combination with RADA, we reinforce DRS core business of sensor and integrated systems.

This is positioning the combined entity in the fastest-growing segments of the U.S. DoD budget, as well as current global military requirements and needs. It brings significant commercial and technological benefits. This will also allow us to list Leonardo DRS in volatile markets. We are proceeding on transaction milestones as per plan. RADA shareholders voted and approved the transaction on the October 19th and CFIUS approval was received on the October 24th. And so now we expect closing end November, beginning of December. We have also spoken in recent months about our deep commitment to ESG and how it's core to our industrial plan and long-term sustainable growth.

And our goals are to significantly reduce our environmental impact further, increase, further our positive social impact, and maintain the highest level of governance. We just have announced an important development strengthening our decarbonisation plan. You are really aware of our target to reduce Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions by 40% by 2030. Now we are going further and extending our decarbonisation efforts to the Scope 3 emissions related to our entire value chain beyond the direct control of the group. We have just formally committed to the SBTi, the Science-Based Target Initiative. After fully analysing and mapping our Scope 3 emissions, we are keen to adopt this solidly recognised reference standard. Over the next few years, we will strongly work to define and achieve these ambitious emissions reduction goals.

We will focus on a number of main drivers, including reinforcing forces to reduce the environmental impact of our own operations, engaging our supply chains race towards lower carbon impact, working with customers to take advantage of our solutions to reduce product-related emissions. And the introduction of innovative technologies and more efficient products. To sum up, before I hand over to Alessandra, we have delivered a solid performance across the group in the first nine months, a significant increase our new order intake with impressive strong commercial momentum, which we are carrying forward into fourth quarter. We are also increasing profitability and cash flow generation. And all in all, we are on track to achieve our full-year target on revenues and EBITDA, despite changes in the perimeter, while we are now targeting higher order intake and slightly better free operating cash flow and net debt at the year end.

We are managing the impact of pressure from inflation, energy and labor costs, supply chain and other challenges of the external environment. So the external pressure are likely to continue next year in 2023, especially in relation to external cost inflation and to the tighter labor market. But we see this pressure reducing post-2023, and we have continued good strong confidence in the medium term, underpinned by our strong commercial performance and momentum, by the positive trends in our key markets and how we are delivering off our strong backlog, which provides us with growing revenue visibility and certainty. Thank you, and now I want to hand over to Alessandra.

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

Thank you, Alessandro. Our key group metrics show a good solid performance in the first nine months, delivering as we said we would, with very strong commercial performance, with a backlog now standing at EUR 37.4 billion, supporting growing long-term revenue visibility. Orders at EUR 11.7 billion, significantly higher year-over-year, even excluding the significant Polish AW149 helicopter order. Our book-to-bill is above one at 1.2, and we're seeing continuing good demand across our defense and governmental businesses.

We delivered a solid performance in revenues at EUR 9.9 billion, up 4.1% year-over-year after adjusting for perimeter changes. EBITDA of EUR 619 million, with a good underlying improvement of 9%, also on a restated basis for treatment of COVID costs, with return on sales at 6.2%, and at 7.2% excluding passthrough. Importantly, we are on track with increasing free operating cash flow. It means we are on track for our targets, so we're confirming our full-year guidance for revenues, EBITDA, despite changes in perimeters, and also we are upgrading our new order intake guidance to a target level of higher than EUR 16 billion, as Alessandro said.

Reflecting the excellent Q3 order intake, and also our good confidence in the fourth quarter order pipeline, including Italy. We are also seeing slightly better free operating cash flow and net debt, notwithstanding the redeployment through the bond buyback of higher than expected proceeds from disposals. We are actively managing and navigating the challenges in the external macro environment, where to date, we have worked hard and managed to contain inflationary pressures on costs. In Leonardo's four domestic markets, wage inflation has been seen in the U.S. and in the U.K. already in 2022, with Italy and Poland likely seeing pressure from 2023. To date, we have seen some limited impact, mainly in the U.S., with DRS from constraints relating to supply chain and the tight skilled labor market.

I also want to explain both the results and the underlying progress across the group, adjusting for a number of moving parts. As you know, there have been some changes in perimeter. In DRS, through the sale of GES from August 1, which contributed EUR 26 million to orders, EUR 33 million to revenues, EUR 4 million to EBITDA, and EUR 23 million to free operating cash flow in August and September 2021. In defense electronics, from the acquisition of our stake in HENSOLDT, with a negative contribution to this year of EUR 9 million at EBITDA level, which reflects its equity contribution at first half 2022, as the deal was finalized at the beginning of January. You can see more details in the appendix of the presentation. You adjust for COVID costs previously accounted for below the line as non-recurring cost, EUR 35 million in the nine-month last year.

You can see we achieved underlying growth in EBITDA of 9% from an adjusted base of EUR 568 million. Looking at the performance across the group on key metrics, starting with order intake, overall, very good performance. New orders at EUR 11.7 billion, up 26.8% year-over-year, with a strong result, even excluding the significant Polish AW149 helicopter order. Important book-to-bill at 1.2. Commercial machine working well, seeing and capturing opportunities domestically and internationally, providing long-term visibility, especially on the platform side.

Helicopters' standout performance in Q3, where they achieved nine-month orders of EUR 4.6 billion, up 93.4%, seeing good performance for our products, both domestically and internationally, especially on the defense governmental side and customer support, as well as a significant EUR 1.43 billion Polish order signed in July. There were also orders for the AW609, governmental orders in Italy for the AW119Kx, and the AW139. In China for the AW189 in a rescue role and others. We're also seeing the civil side recovering faster than expected. Moving on to electronics. Electronics Europe saw continued good commercial performance with orders at EUR 3.5 billion, with defense being the main driver.

This includes the order to supply naval guns and logistical support for German Navy frigates, plus orders for combat systems for special operations and underwater rescue operations, and the order for the E-Scan radars for the Spanish Eurofighter Typhoon fleet. On top of this, we can see a good short-term pipeline, including the U.K. MoD Eurofighter radar upgrade expected in Q4, and defense systems performing really strongly, seeing growing opportunities, leveraging the high demand in the ammunition segment as well as in land and naval platform upgrades.

DRS stepped up new order intake to $2.3 billion, up 22% in dollar terms, demonstrating its great positioning in key DoD program areas, with further orders for its new generation computer systems for the U.S. Army Mission Command, the Mounted Family of Computer Systems, plus additional orders for the IM-SHORAD short-range air defense packages, which allow the neutralization of low altitude aerial threats, including drones. Aircraft booked EUR 1.6 billion orders in line with last year, with export orders for Eurofighter Typhoon in Spain, the C-27J for Slovenia, and the first phase of the EuroMALE program, as well as additional orders under the JSF program and for logistics support for Eurofighter.

Aerostructures had new orders for EUR 342 million, up 14.4%, driven by orders from Airbus, mainly on the A220 and A321, and the EuroMALE project. The level still reflects the challenging market condition. Overall, a very good commercial performance and new order intake. Now, moving on to revenues. We saw continued solid group performance delivering on a strong backlog. Overall revenues of EUR 9.9 billion, up 4.1%. This includes EUR 257 million of positive forex effect. Analyzing now the segments, helicopters in the nine-month revenues had EUR 3.2 billion revenues, up 16% year-over-year, driven by delivering on the major Qatar NH90 contract, as well as on the AW169 line and from customer support.

Electronics Europe had good solid performance with EUR 3.1 billion, up 4.2% or 7.4% on like-for-like basis after adjusting for the reclassification of the automation business in other activities starting from January 2022. Again, defense systems were a key growth driver here. DRS revenues of EUR 1.9 billion, lower by 7.2% in constant currency because of some slippages caused by supply chain constraints. This was more than offset by the positive Forex effect. Aircraft saw revenues of just under EUR 2 billion, with lower production for trainers and lower EFA Kuwait activity due to delays from the supply chain. While in 2021, we had a significant Eurofighter Kuwait ramp up. This is offset by growing activities in European defense, EFA logistics and C-27J.

We expect to fully make up the slippage on Eurofighter Kuwait in 2023 and 2024. Aerostructures revenues were lower at EUR 351 million, affected by lower activities on the B787 program, partially offset by higher production in the Airbus programs. More weighting this year is on the Q4 activities after the recent resumption of production on the Boeing program. Overall, we have delivered an EBITDA in line with expectations at EUR 619 million, with a return on sales of 6.2% and an EBITDA up 9%, adjusting for perimeter changes and treatment of COVID costs. Helicopters had a solid profit performance with EBITA of EUR 234 million, up 4.9%, increasing due to higher volumes with a return on sales of 7.4%, reflecting expected passthrough activities.

With EBITDA of EUR 306 million, up 8.9%, with growth in all main European business areas and in particular defense systems. MBDA is performing well and ahead of last year with an outstanding commercial performance and higher contribution in the nine months of EUR 40 million versus EUR 30 million in the nine months 2021. HENSOLDT included for the first time since the deal closed in January, had a negative contribution of EUR 9 million at June 30, 2022, according to the accounting principle IAS 28, as the deal was finalized at the beginning of January. DRS EBITDA reflects the impact of supply chain constraints. DRS is not alone in the U.S. aerospace and defense sector in facing challenges in supply chain, especially in smaller electronics components. Combined with a tighter skilled labor market, DRS has been taking actions to mitigate these challenges.

In dollar terms, it achieved EBITDA of $161 million, down 4.2%, including the effect of the deconsolidation of GES, although higher with the FX benefit at 7.9%. DRS also increased its profitability thanks to program transitioning from development to production. Aircraft achieved EBITDA of EUR 242 million in line with last year, showing continued strong profitability with a return on sales of 12.4%. Aerostructures saw gradual recovery in line with plan, so far on track, some activity weighted to Q4, and we expect a full-year improvement in EBITDA loss versus last year. ATR has improved its contribution to EBITDA, - EUR 4 million versus - 25 last year. ATR's partial recovery and improved financial performance was helped by the efficiency plan and the signing of customer settlement.

With deliveries with the consortium amounting to 10 aircraft versus 16 last year and impacted by some supply chain delays. Space had a lower contribution as flagged at half year. EUR 10 million in the nine months versus EUR 37 million last year. Telespazio is higher than expected with growing revenues and solid profitability, but the manufacturing joint venture is facing challenges and recorded a lower contribution also due to a risk provision on a contract related to Russia, in addition to the unfavorable comparison base due to the one-off benefit related to tax regulation change accounted last year. Our overall improving profitability also translates into a better below-the-line performance. EBITDA of EUR 552 million benefiting from the improvement in EBITDA and lower restructuring costs, which last year included the effect of the voluntary early retirement agreement in Aerostructures.

Non-recurring costs now reflect the devaluation of the exposure to the countries involved in the Russian-Ukrainian conflict for EUR 33 million. The figure for the first nine months of 2021 included COVID-related costs, as mentioned before. Net result before extraordinary transaction of EUR 386 million benefits from EBIT performance, lower impact of financial charges and tax. On top of this, if we include the capital gain from the disposal of GES and AAC completed in August, net result accounted for EUR 662 million. Importantly, we have continued to improve our cash flow generation and it's a sign of a sharper operational discipline. You can see that free operating cash flow was -EUR 894 million for the first nine months, an improvement of almost half a billion year-on-year, with better quality and lower factoring and with a lower level of seasonality.

All of this is driven by the robust performance on the defense governmental side, and we're still targeting slightly reduced cash absorption from Aerostructures by year-end. We are on track for our full year targets, stepping our cash flow to EUR 500 million this year, slightly better than previous guidance, taking into account the perimeter effect. We're still achieving all this while taking actions to build resilience into our supply chain by building up inventory in electronic components to mitigate shortage risks. As previously mentioned, we are announcing today that we are applying recent higher than expected disposal proceeds to reduce our debt. We're taking advantage of current market opportunities, redeeming $300 million of U.S. dollar bonds, paying down the most expensive instruments in our assets and balance sheet.

These bonds have coupons in the range of 6.25%-7.125%, with interest expenses of approximately EUR 20 million per year till 2039 and 2040. On this slide, you can see our expected net maturity profile, including the redemption of the U.S. bond and the new DRS term loan subscription following the merger with RADA. At the same time, we are now targeting slightly better year-end net debt guidance. That is also after the higher than expected sale proceeds from GS and AAC, and notwithstanding the make whole cost on the U.S. bond redemption. We expect to bring down the level of net debt to EUR 3 billion at year-end. Now, looking at our guidance for the full year. We have delivered solid results in the first nine months.

We have significantly increased the level of our new order intake, plus we have good confidence in our fourth quarter new order pipeline, including Italy. This means we are upgrading our full year guidance of new order intake by EUR 1 billion to a level higher than EUR 16 billion, with a robust performance across defense and governmental businesses and being where we expected to be in the gradual recovery in Aerostructures. Taking into account the perimeter effect due to the deconsolidation of GES, we are also confirming our full year targets on revenues and EBITDA, while slightly improving free operating cash flow and net debt even after the U.S. bond buyback. You can see the full year guidance set out on the slide and also adjusted for the perimeter changes this year relating to the sale of GES and the purchase of HENSOLDT, plus the updated guidance, including upgrades.

We are on track and delivering, actively managing despite the external macro pressures on cost, supply chain and labor. Looking further forward, we're carrying our strong commercial momentum forward, and we're delivering well on our strong backlog. At the same time, we do expect pressure to continue next year in 2023 on our input costs, as well as from the tight labor market for skilled labor. We're planning to mitigate these pressures at best and in areas like energy costs, we have protected ourselves well. These pressures should start to lay down after 2023, and we have good, strong confidence in the medium term prospect and outlook, underpinned by the positive trends in our key markets and our ability to capture opportunities and new orders domestically and internationally, and how we're delivering off our strong backlog, which provides us with growing revenue, visibility and certainty.

In summary, we have achieved very good commercial momentum and strong order intake. Book-to-bill well above one, providing visibility, delivering well on strong backlog and improving EBITDA and free operating cash flow, actively managing challenges in external environment. We are on track for increasing our full-year guidance and positioning well for the future. Thank you.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Good evening, everyone, and welcome to our nine months 2022 live Q&A session. Before taking your questions, I would like to hand over to our CEO, Alessandro Profumo, for some initial remarks. Thank you.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Many thanks, Valeria. We have delivered a solid performance across the group in the first nine months and significantly increased our new order intake with impressive, strong commercial momentum, which we are carrying forward into the fourth quarter. We are also increasing profitability and cash flow generation. Overall, the group is on track. Our very strong commercial momentum means we are raising our guidance for new order intake from around EUR 15 billion to a level higher than EUR 16 billion. Despite the change in the perimeter, we are seeing a slightly better free operating cash flow and net debt as well. While reconfirming our guidance on revenues and EBITDA, we are managing the impact of pressure from inflation, energy and labor costs, supply chain and other challenges of the external environment.

The external pressures are likely to continue next year in 2023, especially in relation to external cost inflation and tighter labor market. We then see this pressure reducing post 2023. We have a good, continued, strong confidence in the medium term, underpinned by our strong commercial performance and momentum, by the positive trends in our key markets and how we are delivering of our strong backlog, which provide us with growing revenues, feasibility and certainty. With this, we are ready to take your question. As you know, we are here with Alessandra and Valerio, the CFO of the group and the general manager of the group.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Let's take the first question from the call.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Alessandro Pozzi from Mediobanca. Alessandro, your line is now open.

Alessandro Pozzi
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Good afternoon, thank you for taking my questions. I have three. Well, first of all, I think it's good to see you managed to maintain or indeed upgrade the guidance, despite the consolidation of GES. I think what we'd like to have maybe a bit more color is on the opening remarks about inflationary pressure in 2023 and potentially easing from 2024. Now, I think the next update that we're gonna have is in March with the full year results. I was wondering to avoid a potential negative surprise. I was wondering if you can give us any qualitative indication on the impact that could have on margins, whether you think you will be able to maintain margins despite the higher labor costs that we're gonna see in Poland and U.K. next, and Italy next year, as well.

That was the first question. The second question is on the order intake. It's good to see the upgrade. I was wondering, I think you have a target of EUR 80 billion cumulative order intake over the business plan, so EUR 16 billion at least every year. Do you think that given what's going on at the micro level, potentially you should be able to do better than that? Also, the final question, FX. I don't think you have changed your FX assumptions, and I was wondering what would be if you can remind us the impact of FX on guidance. Thank you.

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

I take the first and the last question.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Sure.

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

Alessandro, good afternoon. I'll take the first and the third question you have asked. Starting with the final one on FX, the assumptions for FX rates are confirmed. What you see in the financial reports is the actual FX rates that we have encountered in the last nine months and the assumed FX rate, which we have maintained for the guidance. Fundamentally, the sterling is in line with the budget. The U.S. dollar, as you well know, has seen an appreciation. In terms of potential impact on the full year, I would say that you can utilize the impact that you see booked in the first nine months and then take it from there for the full year. First question around inflation.

We are, as our peers, facing clearly inflation pressure, both on the costs of the purchased goods and services as well as on labor. This is part of the dynamics of the macro environment that we are all living through. What I can tell you is that we have put in place a very well rooted in every business mitigation plan addressing these pressure in 2022, and you see the results of these actions in the nine-month results, and you'll see them also throughout 2022 with the confirmation of the guidance. Clearly for the years to come, this remains an area of major alert for us. We're very vigilant on this item, and this is clearly priority number one for all of us.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

It's also important to say that-

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

In China.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

we have hedged the-

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

Energy.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

In reality for us, as inflation is coming mainly from, as Alessandra said, the renegotiation of salaries, mainly not in Italy, because in Italy, the contract is relatively stable and on purchases, because clearly the supply chain is pricing on their cost. As Alessandra said, we are really working in order to manage that in the proper way. The last question was on ordering-

Alessandro Pozzi
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Is there any chance?

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Sorry? Alessandro, go ahead.

Alessandro Pozzi
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Is there any chance you can quantify the impact on all those pressures on margin?

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Alessandro, as you can imagine, we are still working on the budget for 2023, and as usual, we don't do any comment on the number of the following year before having closed the budget and discussed in the board. What you can be sure that, as we said, we are working in a very intense way, so which is really giving us a confidence on the capability overall, also considering the growth of the company so that the fixed costs that will have an impact on a larger base in terms of revenues to manage these numbers. Again, we have to talk of that when we approve the year-end results and the budget. We have not yet discussed even in the board.

Order intake, we have a positive trend in the order intake. To say what will be the projection in five years' time now is not easy. What we know is that in our previous plan was not considered the growth up to 2% of the overall NATO expenditure in defense, so that we have a positive view on our capability of continuing to grow as we planned or even better. The growth we are having this year even considering a single relatively large order, because EUR 1.4 billion is relatively large, but all the other orders are smaller, give you the solidity of our numbers, because in reality, we are moving very well in all the divisions.

Alessandro Pozzi
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Okay. Maybe just to follow up on the order intake, there was some news potentially from Nigeria that the sale of some jet fighters could be progressing. Is there any chance you can comment on that?

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Alessandro, you know that again, and I'm really sorry for that, we never comment on potential orders.

Alessandro Pozzi
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Okay.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

As soon as we will finalize the contract, we will inform you. As we have many negotiations ongoing. Clearly, when we say above 16, it is because we don't know what will be closed, what not. Saying above 16, we are saying that this is the floor and then, clearly above is above.

Alessandro Pozzi
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

All right. I'll send it back. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Virginia Montorsi from Bank of America. Virginia, your line is now open.

Virginia Montorsi
Equity Research Associate, Bank of America

Thank you for taking my question. It's on inflation again. Could you help us maybe understand how the various buckets of inflation into next year are going? I know you mentioned wages and purchase price. But in terms of your divisions, how should we think about where you're more protected versus where you have maybe some more work to do? On the energy side, you said you've hedged your position. Could you give us any more color on this?

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

Sure, Virginia. On energy, we have hedged our entire exposure for next year. We're fully hedged for 2022, and we're fully hedged for 2023. For inflation, broadly speaking, what we're seeing, there are, as we mentioned before, two main sources of inflation. The first one is from procurement of goods and services, and that is quite spread out across our purchasing categories. What we have put in place is a mitigation plan that utilizes different levers. The first one is leveraging our inventory. We have significant inventory that we can rely on to serve our customers and to generate revenues, and that clearly is an inventory that is priced at old pricing. The second one is the fact that we are negotiating contracts and renegotiating contracts with suppliers and look at those renegotiations also in a more creative way.

Meaning, looking, for example, at centralized purchases for one single customer at group level so that we have more leverage with our counterparts. As well as extending the length of our commitment in buying, where we get in exchange a reduced price increase on what we're buying. We're also skipping the intermediaries that typically in our purchasing process may exist and go directly to the first, you know, the end source, the seller of the goods, so that we do not have to pay that intermediary margin. We also, you know, as you well know, in 2022, had some management reserves which we are bringing to fruition in order to offset all of these effects. Clearly, you know, on the new contracts, what we're doing on the new bids, we are updating our cost curve in order to reflect the new environment and prices that we are seeing.

Our customers are aware of that. Clearly, we know that on the backlog, approximately 70% of the backlog is firm and fixed price, and on that one, we are doing all the actions that I mentioned before to minimize the potential impact, and have also engaged in dialogue with customers to understand how we can be compensated for these extraordinary effects.

Virginia Montorsi
Equity Research Associate, Bank of America

Thank you very much. That's very clear.

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

Thank you, Virginia.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, you can press star one on your teleconference pad. Our next question comes from Daniela Costa from Goldman Sachs. Daniela, your line is now open.

Victor Allard
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hello, this is actually Victor Allard on behalf of Daniela from Goldman Sachs. Hope you are well. Just have a quick question on free cash flow. When I look at the performance, obviously, like so far this year, it's been good. I was wondering how to think about Q4 basically, and the moving parts to reach your guidance, and whether there is some upside. I know you've had a good contribution from dividends, and working cap, but wondering how, if you could give more elements on this. Thank you.

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

Sure, Victor. Well, as you said, you know, the performance at free cash flow level has been strong. Year-over-year, we have absorbed half a billion less cash, which is clearly the result of all the actions that have been taken in the last two years that we are coming to fruition and started to come to fruition in 2021, and we are now confirming the positive trend in 2022, quarter- after- quarter. What we see for Q4 is the usual important net cash inflow. As we finalize orders with customers, we finalize milestones. The amount of cash-ins are very, very relevant for the group. This is what will allow us to deliver the, in a way, upgraded guidance if you take into account the delta in perimeter due to the GES deconsolidation, and we're confirming the EUR 500 million for the full year 2022.

Victor Allard
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Very clear. Thank you.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Go ahead, Victor. Anything else? No. Okay, let's take questions from the web. The first one is, following DRS listing via the merger with RADA, would you consider selling more DRS shares in the future?

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

We always said that we wanna keep the participation we will have in DRS after merger, so the answer is no.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Another question. What have been advantages having taken 25% stake in HENSOLDT? Any synergies or partnership between you both?

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Yes. As we always said, we have presented to the defense minister in Germany a cooperation plan which is proceeding. There are four areas on which we are working with HENSOLDT. We do have other areas as well, but the four are the key one where we have a value added on both sides. We are really sure, not only convinced, but sure that the cooperation as planned before the acquisition is becoming reality and the teams of the two companies are working quite well together. There are really different areas on which we are cooperating.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Okay. Let's take some other questions again from the web. Nick Cunningham from Agency Partners is asking, could the supply chain issues which you mentioned for DRS continuing through 2023 and even into 2024 impact your other businesses in the U.S. and perhaps in Europe too? Also, are you concerned that inflation may have an adverse impact on defense budget buying power resulting in lower annual volumes for big programs?

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

Okay, Nick. On supply chain issues and what's the forecast for 2023 and 2024, honestly, our view, but this is clearly a personal perspective, is that we see 2023 as the peak year of pressure. We do believe that in 2024 things will ease up. Also because of what we're seeing in the macro trends and potentially, you know, a slowdown in demand as the economy globally is slowing down. In the U.S., the supply chain issues have been particularly impacting revenues, while in Europe, as you have seen in the nine-month results, we have managed to mitigate the shortages with remediation plans that have worked nicely thus far.

With respect to potential impacts of inflation on procurement, buying power, I mean, what we're seeing is that in the U.S., for example, there is a very extensive discussion around inflating the budget for 2023 to take into account pricing going up for goods. You know, in that part of the world, we see that the DoD's priority are to protect programs and the ability of suppliers to deliver on future programs that are priority for customers, and raise the budgets. This discussion has yet to take place in Europe and in other geographies, but I would be confident that, you know, it's under everyone's eyes, the fact that prices are going up. I'm sure that this is going to be an element that our customers will take into account when thinking about budgets in the future.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Also, if I can add a comment. Since the level is 2% of GDP, with inflation, in reality you have a growing target. There is an effect of attraction to a higher number, so it's clearly moving the amount that will be allocated to defense. This is clearly very important. Overall, every day there is a stronger confirmation, the fact that this target will be maintained. Some countries even above 2% because many countries are saying that 2% is a floor. Some countries already planning to go above that.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Okay. Let's take again another question from the web. Any comment, please, on new Italian government possible strategy to force Leonardo to acquire Fincantieri?

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Listen, we always said, but also the CEO of Fincantieri has been very clear on that, is that there is no value in doing a merger. I think that this is a very clear comment. I don't have any feeling on this. It's called the pressure on this pressure.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Okay. I'll take another question from Virginia. The first one have been already answered. There have been some talks around delays in German defense procurement. What are you seeing on your end, given that Germany is a key country for you?

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

When you are talking of delays on new programs on which maybe there will be some delay. As you know, they have discussed of the Chinook, of the F-35 and so on and so forth. On the other areas, they are continuing to work in a significant way, for instance, as a Eurofighter. We are not seeing delays for what is relevant for us today.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Okay. I'm seeing a lot of questions around inflation, but we went through this topic many times in answering different questions. Anybody else from the call that would like to ask questions to us?

Operator

As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, you can press star one on your telephone keypad. We have a question from Gabriele Gambarova from Banca Akros. Gabriele, your line is now open.

Gabriele Gambarova
Sell Side Financial Analyst, Banca Akros

Yes, thank you for taking my question. I've got two. The first one is on helicopters. I saw that in Q3, the top line growth was very strong, at +26%. I was wondering if you could give me, let's say, a directional indication for Q4 or for the whole 2022, and possibly an explanation for this jump in Q3. The second one is, again, on helicopters. I saw in your remarks, there is this Norwegian defense issue on the NH90. I was wondering if this aspect has been, let's say, factored in your numbers or in your guidance, in any way. Thank you.

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

Yes, Gabriele. The first question you raised, the third quarter performance on helicopters and going forward, helicopters is performing well and raised the growth in top line, mainly because of strong delivery on the NH90 Qatar contract, which was planned, as well as good customer support contribution and the AW169. The outlook for the end of the year is to continue on a good path and this trend was planned as per the underlying contract with specific milestones that we have signed with customers. On the Norwegian NH90 situation, shall I comment as well? Okay. The Norwegian customer has recently expressed a view to desire not to continue to use the NH90 helicopters. That is a product that we are partnered with Airbus. Airbus has approximately 60% share and Leonardo 40%. What has been happening since then is that we have been in conversations, very detailed conversations with-

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Sorry to interrupt you. In reality, it's 62%, 34%, and the rest is Fokker.

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

It's Fokker, you're right. Yes. To be more precise, the CEO is right. I was rounding up numbers.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

64%, 32%, and the difference is because Airbus were the sum of two players, were 32%. Airbus merged two players, so is 64 % now, 32% is us, and 4% is Fokker.

Alessandra Genco
CFO, Leonardo

Absolutely, yes. That's the share distribution of activity within the consortium. Now, on these helicopters that were delivered, all of them except one, which we're planning to deliver in the immediate future, we have been engaged, together with Airbus and with NHI, the consortium, with the customers to understand the reasons behind this request and to understand how to move forward, considering that the fleet of aircraft has been flying, considering that there's been a number of contract amendments throughout the past few years, and that the contract is actually dated 2001. Having, you know, this change of perspective after 21 years is clearly not a common event that the business team is looking further into to understand how to best move forward in everyone's interest.

Gabriele Gambarova
Sell Side Financial Analyst, Banca Akros

Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Okay, let's take another question from the web. Any update on the Aerostructures division?

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Valerio.

Valerio Cioffi
General Manager, Leonardo

Okay. Our plan is fully confirmed. Military program are on schedule. Airbus has a very positive outlook, confirming the growth, both in the A321 and the A220. ATR is progressing both on the commercial side and also on the development of the new configuration, you know, the STOL, the short take-off and landing, and we are delivering the cargo FedEx version. Boeing delivery is already started during last month and are gradually increasing in order to come back to previous level, even if, as Boeing said, not before 2024, 2025. We are also progressing in the diversification issue. We started the EuroMALE wing in Aerostructures. We are near to close some bidding process for newer packages. Mainly, we are confirming our breakeven for 2025, without any impact on what we are foreseeing during this year.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

Thank you. Final two question. The first one is whether we expect an acceleration in reduction of net debt. The second one is around U.K. positive news, if any, in the helicopters.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

Reduction of debt, acceleration, we are doing better than expected, as you have seen. We have a guidance which is lower by EUR 100 million, which, having paid this year, the EUR 606 million for HENSOLDT is, quite a good number. We continue to work in this direction, so we confirm that, at the end of the plan, we'll be zero debt, as expected. If you are capable to speed up the process, clearly, we are always working on that, but I cannot say anything today. It is our aim, but we have to be also in line with the numbers.

Clearly, you have seen how strong is our priority and how disciplined we are, because I remember at the beginning of the year when we were talking of the payment of HENSOLDT, there were many skeptical positions on the fact that we should be able to reduce the debt despite of this acquisition. Helicopters, as you know, the new medium helicopter has been postponed as a program by U.K.. We continue to be very confident, since we are convinced that our platform, which is an existing platform and with two customers today, is an incredibly strong platform. Also from the social point of view, we are very well positioned in U.K..

As you know, the social impact do have a weight in the assignment of these type of contracts in Yeovil. We localize a huge portion of the helicopter, 60% of the helicopter, which will create an incredible strong impact socially in the Yeovil area. We are sure that in terms of the so-called prosperity plan for U.K., we are and we will be a very strong player.

Valeria Ricciotti
Head of Investor Relations and Credit Rating Agencies, Leonardo

I think this was the final question.

Alessandro Profumo
CEO, Leonardo

If this was the final question, thanks, really, all of you. As some of you commented, we will see you for the year-end results. If, as usual, you have any question, Valeria, but also the three of us, we are more than ready to have the opportunity to see you and meet you in dedicated meetings. So by Valeria, ask her for one-on-one or whatever it is, and we are more than happy to discuss with you of the Leonardo and our future. Thanks a lot. For someone, good evening, for someone else, good afternoon. Thanks a lot, thanks again for being with us today.

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