Good day, and welcome to the Ferrari N. V. 2017 Third Quarter Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Ms.
Nicoletta Russo, Head of IR. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Alison, and welcome to everyone who's joining us. Today's call will be hosted by the Group's Chairman and CEO, Sergio Marchionne and Alessandro Gile, Group's Chief Financial Officer. All relevant materials are available in the Investors section of the Ferrari corporate website. And at the end of the presentation, we will be available to answer your questions. Before we begin, let me remind you that any forward looking statements we might make during today's call are subject to the risks and uncertainties mentioned in the safe harbor statement included on Page 2 of today's presentation, and the call will be governed by this language.
With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Geely.
Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for listening in on the call. I'm happy once again to report a record Q3 in the history of Ferrari. Revenues were up single digit and drove adjusted EBIT to €202,000,000 up 17%. We unveiled the Ferrari Portofino at the beginning of September with a spectacular world premiere in the Portofino Bay. The car was then presented at the Frankfurt Motor Show just a few days later.
Deliveries of the Portofino, which already has a robust waiting list, will commence in 2018. During the month of September, we celebrated our 70th anniversary with over 44,000 customers participating in a massive parade, which touched several European cities. The parade ended in Maranello, where Ferrari also the pinnacle of the celebrations with a weekend full of exclusive events. We revised upward our 2017 outlook, now with revenues up at roughly €3,400,000,000 adjusted EBITDA at approximately €1,000,000,000 and net industrial debt lower than €500,000,000 On Page 4, our shipment reached 2,046 units, up 68 units or 3.4% versus prior year. Results were driven by a 27% increase in V12, thanks to the GTC for Lusso, La Ferreri Aperta and 812 Superfast, which just arrived in EMEA.
V8 posted few units decrease due to the California tea phasing out, partially offset by the 488 family and the GTC 4 Lusso Tea. In terms of portfolio turnover, the California Tea and the F12 Berlinetta are phasing out. The newly launched Ferrari Portofino will commence deliveries in 2018 and already has a robust waiting list. Group net revenues for Q3 2017 were €836,000,000 up 6.7% or 9.3% at constant currencies, mainly due to USD weakening versus euro. Cars and spare parts leading the way with volume, mix and pricing.
This was partially offset by engines due to the termination of the rental agreement with the Formula 1 racing team and slightly lower sales to Maserati due to a different production schedule as well as the deconsolidation of the European Financial Services business since November 2016. Our adjusted EBITDA improved by 13.2 percent, reaching euros 266,000,000 31.8 percent margin. This result was primarily driven by higher volumes, better mix, thanks to LaFerrari Aperta and pricing. This was partially offset by higher R and D expenses for innovation, components and hybrid technology. Adjusted EBIT for the group showed a 17.3% increase, reaching EUR 202,000,000 a new company record for 3rd quarter, resulting in a margin expansion of 220 basis points to 24.2%.
Adjusted EBIT benefited from a strong adjusted EBITDA. Industrial free cash flow for the Q3 2017 was EUR 147,000,000 driven by strong adjusted EBITDA of EUR266,000,000 partially offset by net change in working capital of EUR 34,000,000 CapEx of EUR 93,000,000 and lack of contribution from advances of LaFerrari Aperta. Let me kindly remind you that Q4 will bear the 2nd 2017 tax advance payment. Net industrial debt at September 30, 2017, was reduced to €485,000,000 from €653,000,000 at December 31, 2016, thanks to positive industrial free cash flow generation. Moving to shipments on Page 5.
We had a solid performance of the 488 and the GTC for Lusso families as well as LaFerrari Aperta. The 812 Superfast just arrived in EMEA. EMEA expanded by 5.1% with France and Italy growing at double digit pace. United Kingdom was up mid single digit, while Germany was in line with prior year, mainly due to the California Tea and the F12 Berlinetta phasing out. This was partially offset by Middle East, down to the reallocation triggered by tough market conditions.
Americas showed a 5% increase and rest of Asia Pacific grew 7.1%, with Japan being a relevant contributor. Combined deliveries in China, Hong Kong and Taiwan were down 15.6% due to the slowdown in Hong Kong as the new dealership became fully operational in Q3 2017. As a result of all of the above, Moving to Page 6. 3rd quarter net revenues reached the euro Moving to Page 6. 3rd quarter net revenues reached €836,000,000 up 6.7% versus prior year or 9.3 percent at constant currencies, mainly due to the USD weakening versus the euro.
Cars and spare parts revenues were up 12.7% or EUR 68,000,000 due to higher volumes and positive mix led by the EUR 488 and the GTC for Lusso families as well as the LaFerrari Aperta, along with a great contribution from our personalization programs and pricing increases. This was partially offset by the non registered racing car FXXK, which completed its limited series run-in 2016. Engines net revenues posted a slight decrease to €88,000,000 mostly due to the termination of the rental agreement with the Formula 1 racing team and slightly lower sales to Maserati due to a different production schedule. Sponsorship commercial and brand net revenues were almost in line with prior year, mostly due to lower 2016 commercial revenues for championship ranking compared to 2015, partially offset by higher sponsorship and brand related revenues. Other revenues were down by €5,000,000 to €19,000,000 mainly due to the deconsolidation of the European Financial Services business since November 2016.
On Page 7, you can see the year over year changes in the main items of the adjusted EBIT. Volume was up €14,000,000 due to an increase of approximately 55 units, excluding La Ferreia Perta, thanks to the GTC for Lusso and the 488 families, together with positive contribution from our personalization programs. This was partially offset by the California Tea and the F12 Berlinetta phasing out. Mix was positively impacted by LaFerrari Aperta as well as pricing increases and partially offset by the non registered racing car FXXK completing its limited series run-in 2016. Industrial cost and R and D grew EUR 8,000,000 mostly due to higher R and D expenses to support product range and components innovation mainly for hybrid technology.
This was partially offset by lower spending in F1 activities. SG and A costs were slightly higher than prior year as they were impacted by expenses related to our 7th anniversary celebrations and the approved long term incentive plan, partially offset by the deconsolidation of the European Financial Services business in November 2016. Foreign exchange, excluding hedges, had a negative impact mostly due to USD, JPY and JPY and GBP depreciation. Other was in line with previous year due to the positive contribution from supporting activities, offset by lower 2016 championship ranking compared to 2015, the termination of the rental agreement with the Formula 1 racing team and the deconsolidation of the European Financial Services business since November 2016. As a result of all of the above, Q3 2017 adjusted EBIT was up 17.3 percent to EUR 202,000,000 Adjusted EBIT margin expanded by 220 basis points, reaching 24.2% or 22.6% without FX hedges.
And adjusted EBITDA reached 31.8% margin or 30.4% without FX hedges. Moving to Page 8. Industrial free cash flow for the quarter was EUR 147,000,000 driven by strong adjusted EBITDA of EUR 266,000,000. This was partially offset by net change in working capital of EUR 34,000,000 as a result of decreases in trade payables and due to the seasonality in conjunctions with the scheduled shutdown and CapEx of €93,000,000 Other was positively impacted by accruals and reserves related to deferred compensations as well as provisions, partially offset by the lack of contribution from advances of La Ferre Raiaperta. Once again, let me remind you that Q4 will bear the 2nd 2017 tax advance payment.
Net industrial debt as of September 30, 2017 reached €485,000,000 thanks to the strong industrial free cash flow generation. The following page is just a quick glance at our client relationship activities. This, as always, is an opportunity for us to continuously engage with all Ferraris and provide them with unique experiences. This last quarter was particularly rich in events. In addition to the 70th anniversary world tour, the Ferrari Portofino World Premiere and 2 50 GTO anniversary, the Q3 saw the pinnacle of the 70 anniversary celebrations.
Over 4,000 customers and 1,000 cars participated in a massive parade, which touched several European cities on the way to Maranello, where a weekend full of exclusive events ended the celebrations. 1 of the highlights was a car auction organized in collaboration with Aram Softbiss, where 1 of a kind LaFerrari Aperto was sold for €8,300,000 And let us move to Page 13, where we revised our quarterly 2017 outlook as follows. Net revenues at roughly EUR 3,400,000,000 up from greater than EUR 3,300,000,000 adjusted EBITDA at approximately EUR 1,000,000,000 up from greater than EUR 950,000,000 and net industrial debt now lower than EUR 500,000,000 down from roughly EUR 500,000,000 And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Nicoletta.
Thank you, Alessandro. We are now ready to start the Q and A session. Thank you.
Thank you.
We'll take our first question now from Monica Boggio from Bank of EMEA. Please go ahead.
Yes. Thanks for taking my questions. Actually, I have a few questions. The first one, if you can please comment on the pricing, the net pricing effect in the 3rd quarter And what did you expect in terms of outlook for 2018, given also the impact of the Superfast? Are you assuming well?
Hello?
Yes, we are. You can go ahead. Thank you, Maria. Okay.
Thank you. And the second question is, do you expect some release of provisions related to the Formula 1 at the end of the Q4? And the very last question is on the EBITDA margin. Even accounting for the impact of the hedging policies, the EBITDA margin is well on track to exceed is exceeding the 30% and this is well on track to further rise. Just my feeling, what the U.
S. Is there any reason that might prevent to replicate these figures going forward and even improving? And thus, my final question is, don't you believe that your full year 2017 guidance, which are basically aligned to the consensus, might reveal to conservative? Thank you very much.
I'm going to deal with the last two questions, then I'll give it to Alessandro to give you the answer to the rest. There's no use to I mean, I think we set as an EBITDA margin target. So there's an intermediate step, the numbers that we've talked about, what you've seen in Q3 and what we're giving you as forecast for the year is in line with this. We owe you another story and I mentioned this, sorry, in the last couple of times we talked on the call. We do owe you a 5 year plan and I think that hopefully when we get together sometime on the yearly part of 2018, you'll be able to tell that the EBITDA generation on a margin basis for this business is capable of significant expansion.
I think it's no use me threatening you with numbers. I must prefer to see you and to talk to you about the portfolio development and what I think we can do. But obviously, we're satisfied with where we have taken the business so far. I think we need to take a very hard look at this and see what more we can get out of the system, given the relative success that we've had with even these volumes at 8,400 vehicles for the year. So I just have patience that we'll come back to you when we deal with the 5 year
Okay. Okay.
So on your questions on pricing, it's impacting positively the quarter, mostly in line with what we mentioned already in Q2. So considering the impact on cars and parts is approximately 1%. The A12 Superfast, as we said, has just arrived in EMEA. Therefore, you're not seeing, for the moment, a relevant input from that perspective. It's going to be much more visible as the rollout of the shipments will be completed on a global basis.
In terms of F1, we had already adjusted some of the assumptions at the end of the quarter. So the effect is embedded in our numbers for the projection for the full year. And I believe the last question was on FX. As you see from the adjusted EBITDA, the USD weakening is already visible, still partially offset considering the complete full metric by hedges. Clearly, as the FX and the euro dollar is still weakening, we are not expecting to have a similar positive impact going forward since the exchange rate is clearly worse than the past.
Yes. Just as a final checkup, are you saying that your new target are already partially factoring some release of provisions? Did I understand well or
No, I think what Mr. Gidi was saying is that the accounts to the end of September and the forecast for the year allow for the proper recording of Formula 1 costs without further adjustments.
Okay, clear. Thank you very much.
That's the first issue. I just want to go back to something that Mr. Gidi said about exchange rates. We could spend a lot of time here hypothesizing about what happens to euro dollar, what happens to various exchange rates against the euro. I think one of the things that Ferrari has to resolve and it has to resolve relatively quickly is that given the scarcity with which it is managing supply, It is in a position now to look at its pricing mechanisms in euros and not necessarily be driven by foreign currency considerations.
I think one of the most disturbing things about his presentations is having to deal with this understanding of what a foreign exchange edge is and how it reconciles from one period to another. The thing that is much more structural of a Ferrari is the annuity nature of its earnings in euro. And I think we need to protect that basis. I think we need to be unimpacted by foreign exchange fluctuations. And I think the big task that we have here together with our commercial organization is drive their pricing mechanism to the field.
And we intend to do that opening within the next 6 months.
Got it. Thank you very much.
The next question comes from Georges Gaglier from Evercore. Please go ahead.
Yes. Thank you for taking my question. The first question is just around the LaFerrari Aperta. Clearly, it's likely to leave a hole in your earnings in 2018, given it's higher ARPU and presumably exceptional margins. I think in the past you said that this should be filled by increased shipments on the Superfast and then the other new models, including the Portofino and GCC Lusso variants.
Are you confident that the volume and earnings from these products will be sufficient to fill the gap?
Yes. The answer is yes.
Okay. And then secondly, just on Formula 1, I mean, I guess, during the first half of the season, it all looks so good and it looked like you could comfortably end up winners. It has eluded you. I guess the question I have is, 1, where do you think it went wrong? Is it the drivers, the car, the team management or just bad luck?
And secondly, from a P and L perspective, are we talking 1,000,000, tens of 1,000,000 or 100 of 1,000,000, the difference between coming second rather than first?
The easy answer is it's in the tens of 1,000,000. And to answer to your broader question as to what went wrong with Formula 1, I don't believe in bad luck. Ultimately, it's a reflection on the way in which we manage these businesses. It was a combination of especially in the second half of the season between technical issues and driver error or driver misjudgment. And so I mean as we got close to the end of the season, we and I got 2 races left to complete.
As you well know, it's impossible. And it was almost an impossible task in the last race on Sunday to think that we could recover at least the driver's title. I think we've learned a lot. I think it's a painful way of learning it. I think the second half revealed some structural weaknesses in the manner in which we're managing this business, which are going to get rectified and hopefully 2018 will be a much better season.
I remind everybody who asks me this question and I'm probably the most critical of the way in which we manage our F-one activities. That if I'd asked anybody at this time last year as to how well we would have done in 2017, I could have not I couldn't have gotten a buyer for the idea that we would have been that far advanced in the first half of the season. So we have done well given our starting point. We were unable to finish the task. It's a 2018 objective now, but we regret not having done better.
But the car is there. It is, in my view, probably the best car on the track today.
Great. Thank you. Well, I look forward to seeing a lot of podium finishes next year again.
The next question comes from Martinotto Ambroggi from Equita. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, everybody. The first question is on the Q4 implicit performance that you had in your guidance. Just to understand what are the main reasons justifying an EBITDA margin, which is 4 percentage point lower than in Q3. Is it just a matter of mix or there is a ForEx negative impact? So this is the first question.
The second is on the Asia, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan and so on were down in Q3. So I was wondering if you could spend with us a few words on the visibility on the Chinese portfolio. And any update on the Patent Box?
Just to deal with the issue of the forecast, I'm not going to reconcile Q4 for you. I think take the forecast for the year as the minimum achievable set of returns, we'll deliver whatever best Q4 we can going forward. We're not going to sit over here and do the difference between 9 months 12 months. We're going to spend the whole day doing this, take guidance for what it is. It is conservative.
It's achievable and deliverable, and we'll leave it at that. The APAC story, which Alessandro talked about, there's one issue which has impacted APAC and that's the Hong Kong situation. We now have selected a permanent solution to distribution in Hong Kong after a period of vacuum of deliveries into the customer base. That's the reason why Q3 looks as weak as it does. I think we'll see a recovery of the position, including product flow starting in Q4, the numbers should improve.
And I'll leave it to you to
talk about the time. Yes. And then the Patent Box, we've started officially the process with the tax authorities. Clearly, we are at the initial stage in terms of analysis of our position. So we are not expecting anything in the next weeks, but certainly the process is in now is on track.
And we should be in a position to deliver the benefits because it was designed we're designed to accomplish the same set of objectives that they have. So hopefully, we'll get it done.
Okay. Thank you. Very last on the FXK EVO. I don't know if you are willing to share with us the price. We already saw it on press sources, but the volumes and if it's all included in next year figures?
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JEAN FRANCOIS PRUNEAU:] It's not in this quarter. That's all I'll tell you. I think it will get delivered between the end of this year and next year. But the price is what you saw in the press.
And volumes, if I may?
It's a limited number. It's barely double digits.
Okay. Thank you.
The next question comes from John Murphy from Bank of America.
Good morning and good afternoon. Just a follow-up question on mix. I mean, I think there's a lot of skeptics out there on mix turning negative in 2018. But an optimist might argue that with the Portofino and the Superfast and maybe a few Apertas that slip into 2018 as opposed to 2017, mix could not just fill the gap and potentially be positive in 2018. Is that too optimistic a view of things or is that a realistic view?
It is not overly optimistic.
Okay. That's incredibly helpful. Then a second question, as we think about what might come in this 5 year plan, I think there's a lot of speculation that form factors may change dramatically on your on some of your vehicles and that volume may go up dramatically. As you think about those two factors, how do you decide what kind of form factors and how far to push the volume? Is this sort of your general market studies or are you actually talking directly to your customers, so you know directly what your customers want, so you're addressing their needs as opposed to speculating what market can absorb?
No, look, I mean, one of the benefits and you've seen this from the presentation, I mean, the level of the relationship between us and the customer base is something which is they have been in business for a long time, but this type of relationship is enviable. It's not common. And I think a lot of the knowledge that we have built about the future product portfolio of the SaaS is based on years of relatively intense dialogue with them about what they want Ferrari to be. What we can provide with them provide them in terms of technical solution to these objectives. This is not necessarily common knowledge, but we do have sort of previews of any of these major cars with a select group of customers.
We bring them in way ahead of commercial launch. And I think we use that information that we gather from these exchanges to form a relatively clear view as to what the market is expecting and could potentially support in terms of purchasing pattern. So this is not pie in the sky. I don't buy IHS studies to try and determine what the next Ferrari car will be. We have run clinics even in terms of the style with our customers to there's a much higher level of comfort, I think, in terms of the projections that we're putting together for the 5 year plan that we normally would see in connection with anything.
So I feel relatively comfortable that if we put the numbers down, it's based on solid consumer data.
Okay. That's incredibly helpful. If you think about the hybrid R and D costs and sort of the step up there, are those largely baked into your R and D costs as we're looking at them right now? Or could there be, as we get closer to launch, a real step up to get this out there and commercialized? Or are we seeing the cost in the numbers already?
No, I think you're going to see part of the cost filter through in 2018. That's probably the biggest challenge that we've got coming forward in 2018 is because the problem is that the base that we're creating for this hybrid is across the whole range. So it's not just a one time, one car event issue. And so I think the seriousness with which we're approaching this from an R and D standpoint is crucial. So you will see a ramp up.
We'll make it back in terms of margins that worries me doesn't worry me about the actual performance in 2018. But the CapEx will be, in my view, probably abnormal given where we've been lately.
Okay. And then just lastly on waitlist, are we still looking at around 1 year plus in general, any updates just plus or minus on waitlist?
Yes. I mean, yes, it is probably more than a year now given the way in which the 812 is shaping up and the Portofino is shaping up. We're working our way out to the finish of the 488 now. We've got a bit more to run. We'll see much more once the next cycle starts.
But I think the product pipeline is full and I think that the waiting time is still well in excess of 12 across the major pieces.
Great. Thank you very much.
The next question comes from Adam Jonas from Morgan Stanley.
Thanks. A couple of questions. First, Sergio, on the utility vehicle that you've kind of alluded, you've run internally and of course with the clinics. Has the feedback been kind of unanimous enthusiasm or kind of how controversial or contested has been the concept and or your design philosophy on this?
I think that based on what we've seen, the support you asked me the last time we talked to stores that the Board had seen it, the Board has now seen it.
Okay.
And we have run it through customers. I think the reception has been quite good. It's early days. I think it needs to be refined further. We'll continue to do more work on this.
But I think the initial reaction, Adam, is that based on what I know today, the project as a go.
And was how controversial was it when you presented to the board?
It wasn't because it is a Ferrari.
Okay. Just a follow-up, the 5 year Capital Markets Day, in terms of the clues you've given leading up to it, it involves new segments, new markets, new tech, new strategies for the brand. Is there and again, I don't want to front run that event in early 2018, but is it reasonable for us at least at this point to think more thinking of our forecast going out for 5 years? Many of us are giving you credit for the big growth in the top line and taking the them going after the new segments. But is it unreasonable that as we execute such strategies that there could be maybe a back end loading in terms of the reward or some of the earlier years require a bit of upfront pain in order to achieve that level of growth and sustainability?
I think there may be an asynchronous CapEx and volume build, but not enough to classify this as a back ended or something that's loaded at the back end. I think you're going to see a gradual delivery of the volumes through the period. I think obviously the last year of the plan will show the full range of completion and by definition, it stands out. But fundamentally, you will see the improvements in a very forecast period.
Thanks, boss.
Thanks.
The next question comes from Steven Reitman from Societe Generale.
Yes, good afternoon. I have two questions. First of all, on the your comment that you think you can offset the ending of the powder sales in 2018 with volume and Superfast and the Portofino. Are we looking at a very substantial ramp in terms of production or sales compared to the increase that we're seeing in 2017, the 400 odd units that you're predicting? I'm a second question.
No, the answer is no, Stephen. I think we need to be curved. We have not unveiled the whole product range for 2018. I think we've talked about things that are obvious that Portofino launched. And after the glorious introduction of Maria and Sandra, I felt I should be on a beach instead of being in this room.
But it was a very nice launch and we have launched the 8 12 Superfast in a similar fashion. There's other stuff coming, which is typical of Ferrari, will only be visible when we launch. And so that will impact on 2018 performance and it will change the financial dynamics of the business.
And secondly, on the comment in the revenue bridge about the sales of engines, And you referenced a slightly lower sales to Maserati due to a different production schedule. How can you elaborate on that, please?
I think that the Maserati is calling off engines of the Ferrari on a different schedule because of the ramp up that it said in the Levante. It's something that we're getting adjusted to. And so we just need to get synchronized. It's that simple. There's nothing nefarious about the way in which it got done.
The sequencing of engine delivery is different because production has changed at Maserati.
I see. Thank you very much.
The next question comes from Philippe Houptour from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Yes, good afternoon. I just have two questions. First one, a detailed one. Back on the patent box discussion, can you confirm if you applied for the treatment before the end of 2016, so that includes 2015 as a fiscal year?
Yes, we do.
Yes. Thank you. And the second question is more strategic. As you kind of put together your plans for the next 5 years, Porsche, and I appreciate you said before, this is not the same level of price point, etcetera. But Porsche nevertheless has announced a program called Passport, where you pay a fee and you can have no access to different vehicles at different points depending on your needs.
Is that form of I don't know, I want to call car sharing, but is that form of business model somewhat applicable to Ferrari or is it totally off?
It's applicable to some other brands that I'm involved in. I think Maserati could benefit from that, but I doubt very much that Ferrari can play that role. Look, let's be clear on one thing. One of the great things about investing in one of our vehicles is value retention and the fact that there's a secondary market, which is active, which is quite supportive of the investment cycle. I think things that the Porsche program that you described is absolutely contrary to that process.
So I and it doesn't fit our bill, but I think probably Maserati and Alfa could look at those in a realistic way.
But on that point, maybe if I can follow-up. As you grow the business and including utility vehicle, those arguably are vehicles that are probably going to be used more than your average sports car. How do you approach the value retention as you mentioned?
Is that I
assume that the more you drive, the more depreciates?
Yes, but that's exactly why I think that we're talking if there is and we're speculating because we haven't announced this, but if we're talking about an expansion of volumes, it must be done outside of the traditional categories that are currently covered by Ferrari. Because although I think we play when you buy a California or sort of a portfolio I was going to call it the California. If you buy a Portofino today or you buy a GTC4, you're buying a higher mileage vehicle anyway by definition. The expansion into additional sort of car areas would imply that we would even go beyond the expectations of manage of the 2 cars that I just mentioned. That requires a completely different treatment, both at dealer level and in terms of value retention expectations.
And so the market, I think the brand is capable of covering the uniqueness and the exclusivity of a group of vehicles and it's capable of handling ancillary vehicles that effectively complement that position on the side without necessarily having both the extreme exclusivity and value retention attributes A up to now. And that's really the thing that we need to walk very, very carefully because it impacts on pricing, it impacts on penetration on the market. We cannot we could just not flood. I mean, somebody you made a reference to Porsche earlier. There's absolutely no way that this house could even remotely envision mass production numbers similar to what Porsche is producing today.
It just it will be outright nonsense. So even though we would be putting in more miles on these vehicles, the volumes of cars available in the marketplace will be severely restricted. So the dynamics are going to change anyway. So let's wait until we get together at the beginning of 2018 and we'll take you through all this.
Thank you.
The next question comes from Lelo Della Raggioni from Intermonte. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thank you for taking my question. I have three questions. The first one regards the FXXK, the Euro one you mentioned before volume, okay, the price. I was wondering if this carries advanced payments or not?
So if we should have an impact on the 4th quarter results or not? The other one regards ForEx, in the strategy that you're going to implement in 6 months' time, I'm just wondering if is it correct to assume that we will have in any case 1 year or whatever the waiting list the length of the waiting list gap between the implementation of the strategy and the real impact on the P and L and this side?
Yes. Look, let's deal with that when we talk at the end of the year. I think there's no doubt that we need to protect clients who are committed. I think that we have a structural issue that we need to answer about how we run this business. And that has been my fixation since I've started looking at this about 24 months ago.
It is for a business that produces goods in such limited number and for such exclusive customers, it is impossible for us to bear the risk of ForEx fluctuations. It is not in our in it's not part of the business model. So it needs to be eliminated. As we work our way through that state, there may be an adjustment
FX SK, that is not going to impact Q4 in terms of advances.
Okay. And the last one, just I mean, you made the comment on the outlook on the revision, but you make intensive use of roughly above and below. So I was just wondering if you can explain what you mean by roughly. You explained that this is just the minimum level that you intend to achieve, but you use roughly in several occasions. So I was wondering, that means plus 2.5, plus 5, plus 10 or whatever?
Mr. Antonio, guidance is guidance. I can't tell you it's wrong by a half. It's guidance. It's the minimum deliverable set of numbers that we think Ferrari will deliver.
Take them at that face value. Okay.
And by
the way, one of Mr. De Aragione, the last thing I want to do is to tell you how to do your business. But if you add up the 9 months, then you look at the forecast, you take the difference, run the 4th quarter, benchmark it against prior quarter's performance and find out whether it's reasonable or not and then make whatever adjustments you think you need to make.
Great. I was just referring to that some of your not competitors, let's say, German one use the same kind of signs, but they mean number. That's why I was asking. Thank you for the explanation, Bobby.
That's one of the few advantages of being Italian. Have a good one.
The next question comes from Ryan Brinkman from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Hi, great. Thanks for taking my question. You talked earlier about the cadence of the spending on R and D associated with the hybrid strategy. Can you remind us of the aim of that strategy again? Is it to enhance the fuel efficiency and the emissions of those vehicles or like the performance of those vehicles, make them even more powerful like the burn system on a lot of Ferrari?
Both, both.
So you will be Okay. And as a follow-up to that, I would just say that a couple of years ago it was considered sacrilegious to talk about a Ferrari for utility vehicle. Now it's like an enthusiastic discussion. Also, I think historically it would have been sacrilege to talk about a Ferrari without an internal combustion engine. But do you think there is a day when having that discussion would not be deemed sacrilegious?
And over what period of time do you think it would be reasonable to think that?
I don't think it's sacrilegious. It will probably if in fact it happens, it will happen after this product cycle is launched. So at the end of the 5 year cycle that we're talking about.
Great. I appreciate it.
The next question comes from Max Warburton from Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Yes. Hi, there. Wonder if I could just come back to F1 again. It seems topical this week. Firstly, my understanding is Liberty is about to set out its plans for the future of F1.
And I think the main team meeting is next week. Are we going to hear anything out of that early on that would give us any guide as to what the revenue share arrangement is going to look like for Ferrari after 2020?
I doubt it, Max. But just to make a couple of comments about this so that we don't we have every intent Liberty has got a couple of good intentions in all this, one of which is to reduce the cost of execution for the team, which I think is good. A couple of things we don't necessarily agree with, one of which is the fact that somehow, sort of powertrain uniqueness is not going to be sort of one of the drivers of distinctiveness in the participants' lineup. I think that's something that Ferrari cannot I mean, it would not countenance this going forward. It is raising the fact that we're now that we appear to be somewhat at odds in terms of the strategic development of this thing and that we see the sport in 2021 taking on a different air is going to force some decisions on the part of Ferrari.
And I understand that Liberty may have taken these into account and coming up with their views. But I think it needs to be absolutely clear that unless we find a set of circumstances, the result of which are beneficial to the maintenance of the brand in the marketplace and to the strengthening of the unique position for Ferrari, Ferrari will not play. And that has got a whole pile of positive implications apart from the cost relief from the structure of Ferrari, which is not inconsequential. But it does open up a whole pile of alternatives about what else Ferrari could be doing with itself going forward beyond that date. I don't want to prejudge any of this.
We're walking into this meeting next Tuesday with the best of intentions. We'll see where it takes us.
Okay. I imagine those discussions could get quite heated. Is it credible to threaten to leave the sport from a cost point of view? I mean, if you were to leave, would you lose less because the business is losing money at the moment? Or would you actually lose more given all the
people and assets tied up in it?
Oh, hell, it will be totally beneficial to the P and L. We will be celebrating here until the cows come home.
I mean, you clearly think it's important to the brand, but there's 70 years of equity in Ferrari, 5 years out of the sport, is anyone going to notice?
Well, Max, what I do know is that it's been part of our DNA since the day we were born. So I mean, it's not as if we can define ourselves differently. But if we change the sandbox to the point where it becomes an unrecognizable sandbox, I don't want to play anymore. I don't want to play NASCAR globally. I just don't.
How would you feel personally about being the Ferrari CEO that took the company out of F1?
Like $1,000,000 because I'll be working on an alternative strategy to try and replace it.
Okay.
A more rational one too.
I mean, last question on this, and it sort of fits into the previous ones. Given the limited financial importance of F1 overall to all the companies that you run for XOR, do you personally spend too much time in F1?
Oh, hell no. Hell no. I mean, we have competent people. At least in my view, they're confident. They may not be confident if you judge the fact that we have won the championship this year.
But having said this, I think we've gone a long way from where we were in 2016, but I don't. And by the way, I don't attend all the meetings. I mean, I'm attending those meetings on strategy because it's important, because it matters a lot to this business. The financial implications and the wrong choice for the model going forward are pretty significant to Ferrari.
Fascinating and good luck on Tuesday.
Thanks.
We'll take our last question from Gabriel Damberrova from Banka Akros. Please go ahead.
Yes. Good afternoon to everybody and thanks for taking my questions. The first one is on the weight of personalizations during Q3.
Same as prior quarter, 17% on total net revenues.
And a related question on this. Do you think that the 17th anniversary had a positive impact on that number and that we might see it coming down next year or it is not relevant?
We're not expecting that to be negative in any case. It's still part of the DNA of how we do cars here. Every car is personalized.
Okay. And the second question was on LaFerrarias Peyre. If it is possible to have an update, I don't know, on the percentage of shipments of completion of that of this model and if it will spill over to 2018?
There are some residual spillover in 2018, but it's not significant.
Okay. Many thanks.
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