Good afternoon. Welcome to Indra's 2022 full year results presentation. I'll now hand the conference over to Mr. Ezequiel Nieto, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you everyone for joining us today in our 2022 full year results presentation. I'm Ezequiel Nieto, Head of Investor Relations, and as usual, let me refer you to the disclaimer on slide three, that sets out the legal framework under which this presentation must be considered. Conference call will be led by our CEO, Ignacio Mataix, our Minsait Managing Director, Luis Abril, and our CFO, Borja García-Alarcón. The event duration will be around 1 hour. Now, let me hand the call to Ignacio Mataix, CEO of Indra. Ignacio, floor is yours.
Thank you, Ezequiel. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to our conference. Thanks for being with us this evening. We will proceed through the agenda now on our screen. I look forward to addressing your questions following that. Let's move to slide number six, where I will begin today's presentation with the main 2022 results highlights. As you will know, without having seen already, 2022 has been a year of very good performance for our group. We will discuss that more in detail. It has not been achieved easily in an environment which is challenging from many perspectives: macroeconomic, operational, supply chain. We know them all very well. I would like to thank you, the people of Indra for the hard work and application as a team to deliver for our customers so that the outcome for our shareholders can be the right one.
I and my colleagues remain very focused on that. 2022 has been outstanding and can be called historic because, firstly, we have achieved all-time high levels of annual backlog, order intake, revenue, and EBIT. Well above our already upgraded 2022 guidance. Secondly, we have posted double-digit growth in revenues, EBIT, and earnings per share. Finally, our strong free cash flow generation has reduced our debt net to almost zero. All of this has led us to propose a dividend of EUR 0.25 per share, which is an increase of 67% vis-a-vis last year. The 2022 performance sets a strong foundation, of course, for the future, no doubt where you are now focused. We will discuss the outlook and our guidance in some detail.
The overriding message I would like to share is that we look forward with high confidence to 2023, expecting positive performance trends, further growth from our record base, and attractive return for our investors. Let me turn first to the highlights of our 2022 financial results on slide number seven. Backlog and order intake, the drivers of future pipeline and revenues increased 16% and 2 9% respectively, with backlog reaching EUR 6.3 billion at the end of the year. In 2022, this translated into revenue growth of 14%, and an EBIT of EUR 300 million, further supported by 30 basis point margin improvement compared to 2021 and resulting in a final growth of 20% in our earnings per share.
Strong cash flow of EUR 253 million helped us to reduce our net debt and leverage practically to zero at year-end. In slide number eight today, we focus on 2022. We need to review this outstanding year in some recent context, because there's a risk you can miss the trends we are driving. Our group is steadily becoming stronger, more efficient, generating more cash flow, and de-leveraging. Our proposition for our people, our customers, and our investors is about growth and quality. I show you the progress here, and we are not yet finished. Backlog, which we have been consistently growing at double-digit rates over the past few years from absolute levels of EUR 4.5 billion in 2019 to our current market well above EUR 6 billion, with both Transport & Defence and Minsait contributing to this achievement.
This is translated into a very strong P&L performance with EBIT and net profit growing at annual compound rates of 11% and 12% respectively on average over the past three years and goes hand in hand with formidable cash flow generation, reducing our debt by more than EUR 500 million since then. In summary, 2022 has been an outstanding year for Indra despite the significant macroeconomic uncertainty and the market volatility where we have built a high-quality backlog that gives us substantial visibility and confidence for the period ahead. We have increased our capacity to reach bigger contracts, where FCAS stands out. Also, we have intensified and improved our focus and control on efficiency, cost base, and capital allocation. With all this, we have optimized the returns we generate for our shareholders, which is a key focus for Indra leadership team.
Please move to slide 10, in which we'll see why 2022 was indeed an outstanding year, even in the context of our recent past. These results give us a very solid base for medium-term growth. As you will see at the end of the presentation when we discuss guidance for 2023. I will come back to this slide then. Let's get under the skin of the business with respect to the three key drivers of 2022 strong financial performance. Let me start with commercial progress on slide 11. As you see, our backlog has increased from EUR 4.5 billion in 2019 to all-time high to EUR 6.3 billion at the end of this year.
Both divisions have contributed to this growth, with Transport & Defence standing out and rising to 3.44x long-term revenues at the end of 2022. This is 2.54x three years ago. On slide number 12, we saw a strong revenue growth and margin performance for the year. On the left side of the slide, reported revenues amounted to EUR 3,851 million in the year 2022, up 14% compared to 2021. While revenues in local currency grew by 12% and 10% organically. On the right-hand side, the year 2022 operating margin was up 80 basis points year-on-year to 9.2%, and reported EBIT reached EUR 300 million, up 60 basis points, up to 7.8%.
On slide 13, we highlight the same information for the fourth quarter. Very strong as well. Fourth quarter 2022 revenues increased by 13% in reported terms, while the fourth quarter EBIT margin was 8.3%, up 110 basis points compared to the same quarter of 2021. On slide 14, we highlight how Indra's group workforce has evolved over the previous year and supported our strong 2022 growth. Annual revenue growth 14% has been above total group workforce rise 9%, with most of the headcount growing taking place in Latin America. We have improved our revenue per employee by 4%. We have also seen a slowdown of workforce increase in the last quarter versus the rest of the year. Finally, let me highlight that we keep the workforce at the bench at a very low levels.
Only 126 employees out of a total of more than 56,000. We managed to maintain an attrition rate at 16%, similar levels to 2021 despite the fierce market competition for tech talent. Moving to the slide number 15. As you know, ESG is at the center of our group strategy. Influencing and guiding how we engage with our shareholders is not merely a compliance exercise. I would like to highlight our strong ESG performance for another year. Indra was ranked for the second consecutive year as the most sustainable company in this sector and among 1% most sustainable in the world, according to the Sustainability Yearbook 2023 elaborated by S&P Global Agency.
It has also been rated as best practice by the prestigious CDP Climate Change Index, which recognizes Indra as one of the companies which, with the best environmental practices. Let me move now into the Transport & Defence division. The slide 17 shows outstanding results in this division, which has achieved all-time highs in terms of backlog, order intake, and revenues. This has translated into an EBIT margin at double-digit levels, placing us as the best in class among the aerospace and defense universe in defense and security and air traffic management profitability. For its part, Transport & Defence backlog is now over 3x long-term revenues, ensuring a strong growth prospect. Finally, let me highlight the agreement to acquire Leonardo Air Traffic Management business in the U.S., which give us access to this very relevant market.
On slide number 18, we display the main highlights of Defense and Security businesses. As you can see, our medium-term prospects remain very, very solid. Defense global expenditure are at all-time high in 2022. As we already have mentioned, our backlog and order intake are at historical highs with very sizable and multi-year programs in place. The FCAS is the most relevant one with more than EUR 600 million already signed for the next few years. Regarding Air Traffic Management business on page 19. In 2022, we have exceeded above the pre-COVID levels, and there are very positive tailwinds for the coming years. Global air traffic is expected to bounce back to pre-COVID levels by 2024. Secondly, we signed relevant contracts during this year both in Europe and AMEA. Thirdly, we expect to close the Leonardo Air Traffic Management acquisition in the U.S. by March.
Last, new opportunities at Canada are arising for the medium term. If we move to slide number 20 to show the main highlights of the Transport business. It is noteworthy that Transport has returned to profitability in 2022 after a year, after a period of at breakeven or loss-making. This achievement has been possible after several years of notable de-risking of several problematic projects. Making a 180-degree turn towards value-added products and service quality, as well as gaining influence in leading countries in the business. For its part, the order intake carried out in recent quarters that enjoy better margins, providing more visibility for its profitability improvement. On slide 21, as mentioned before, Transport & Defence backlogs at all-time highs.
For its part, order intake in the Transport & Defence division in 2022 was up 43% in local currency, with a strong growth reported both in Defense & Security. This was 52% increase in local currency, mainly due to the signing of the Phase 1B of the FCAS project, and in Transport and Traffic, 30% increase in local currency, particularly in the air traffic segment. On slide 22, you can see that 2022 revenues in Transport & Defence division increased by 5% in local currency, with Transport & Traffic growing by 7% and Defence & Security by 4%. Regarding EBIT, it improves to 12.2% versus 11.7% in 2021, mainly backed by increase in profitability of Transport & Defence.
Finally, on slide 23, fourth quarter 2022 revenue growth was very robust, up 9% and accelerating its growth in the quarter compared to the full year, thanks to the certification of milestones in certain relevant contracts before year end in the defense and security and air traffic business. Fourth quarter of 2022 EBIT margin was also improved to 13.8% versus 12%, last year same period. Now I'm going to hand to Luis, to cover Minsait performance, very much fitting with the broader trends of the group.
We are here generating a strong growth, increasingly with a, with a mix shift towards higher value engagements, with a shared focus of continuing to improve efficiency, all of which, as you will see from Luis, is generating very encouraging operational and financial trends for the group.
To slide 25, if you want, what we display the solid year delivered by Minsait also, driven by the double-digit growth posted in order intake and sales. Which also achieved all-time highs, with both concepts growing 18% year-on-year. In terms of profitability, we have reached our highest historical level of EBIT margin at 5.5%. At the same time, we have increased our revenues mix with digital and solutions growing from 32% in the year and now representing 57% of our total sales. Also, we have continued with our bolt-on acquisitions strategy focused on high growth businesses as payments, cyber security, and digital. On slide number 26, you can see the main operational highlights of Minsait, which are the following.
For first, 2022 has seen the consolidation of our core value proposition to our customers, highlighting two things, basically. One, the high level of specialization by industry, for all our end-to-end technology solutions. Second, a very strong focus on our growth vectors, which are phygital, cloud data, payments, and cyber security. As such, all of them or all these acceleration vectors have delivered a solid digi-growth, as you see on the slide. We have also increased our share of work in our top 10 clients, with sizable wins in large contracts, reinforcing our relationship with all of them with successful deliveries of their critical system implementations.
Lastly, in the fight for tech talent, we have hired more than 15,000 new professionals in 2022, despite high competition while maintaining attrition rate in similar levels as of 2021. On page 27, we see that the sound 2022 delivery sets us in a very solid position to seize multi-multiple growth opportunities looking forward. Here basically we highlight first, the next wave digital domains with things like IoT or the IT/OT convergence and others. Second, new inroads in our core markets and geographies, such as to give an example, financial services in Italy, being Italy already our second geography in revenues. Third, the build-out of new accounts with potential to become top-tier accounts, which will definitely be relevant this year.
Now let's move on to slide 28, where we display the backlog and order intake evolution of the Minsait division. Here the message is a strong performance of the backlog growing 8%. On the right-hand side of the chart, you see order intake that increased 16% in local currency, backed by the solid growth sold in all verticals. It stood out the growth posted by public administration and healthcare, which was 35% in local currency, mainly backed by the order intake of the Elections project in Angola. Also we highlight here the growth of telecom and media, which grew 19% in local currency. Moving now to slide number 29, where we see revenues and margins.
Here we have to say that revenues increased by 15% in local currency in 2022. Again, with all verticals registering strong growth as well, standing out the increase sold in public administration and healthcare. Plus 28% in local currency, driven again by the higher contribution from the Elections business. Also in energy and industry that saw the growth of 14% in local currency. Regarding margins, 2022 EBIT margin improved to 5.5% compared to the 5.1% of 2021. Mainly thanks to the contribution of the Elections business and also to the profitability improvement in some verticals, such as financial services.
On slide 30, you can check the improvement in the mix change in more detail, which we already talked about a few slides back, with digital and solutions growing 32% in the year and now representing 57% of our total sales. Last, finally, moving on to slide 31. Here we show the revenues breakdown and EBIT of Minsait only for the fourth quarter of 2022. Here we have to say that sales in the fourth quarter of 2022 were up 13% in local currency in a market environment where client demand remained strong and with all verticals grew at double-digit rates.
On margins, the fourth quarter of 2022 EBIT margin also improved to 4.6% versus the 2.6% that we saw in the fourth quarter of 2021. That's it for Minsait. I leave the floor, I think, to Ignacio again, and then to Borja for the financial review.
Thank you, Luis. Now we turn to Borja for the financial, for the financials. I think, the part many of you have been waiting for, and in particular, having summarized the high level of the group and the divisions' trends. Let's now tie it all together in detail for the group before I come back to discuss guidance.
Thank you, Ignacio. Good evening to everyone. On page 33, we present the free cash flow generated in 2022 that amounted to EUR 253 million, with a very strong performance in the fourth quarter, in line with the seasonality of the business. As in 2022, this figures include around EUR 60 million of collection from the late projects from transport and traffic. As you may recall, this figure was, in 2021, EUR 100 million. If we exclude cash inflows from the late collection, our free cash flow will have stood at EUR 180 million for the year, above our guidance and the 60% conversion ratio.
On page 34, as a consequence of the capital management policy with a strong focus on the free cash flow generation, together with the growing EBIT of the group, our return on capital employed keep growing, closing 2022 at 20%. This achievement has been the result of both the increase in operational profitability and the result of running a very tight ship when it comes to capital deployment. Moving to page 35, we see material working capital improvement in the fourth quarter, as is always the case in our business. Comparing year-on-year figures, day of sales remain negative with a slight increase of two days. This increase is due to an increase in inventories to avoid problems with the supply chain and to the incremental demand from our clients. This increase is naturally offset by the accounts payable.
Slide 36 show how we have closed 2022 at almost zero net debt compared to EUR 240 million in 2021. Going step by step, the most important is the 1st one, as it comes from the excellent performance of the business in 2022 that has generated EUR 432 million of operating cash flow. Working capital is slightly negative due to the increase in inventories, as we have just seen. CapEx at EUR 39 million and taxes slightly above 2021 due to the higher return and the additional payment of EUR 4 million in Spain because of the tax inspection, as we have commented in previous conference calls. Other financial liabilities are EUR 32 million, in line with the EUR 34 million at the end of 2021.
Net interest reduced to EUR 26 million, below the EUR 33 million registered in 2021, mainly due to the reduction in gross debt together with higher cash remuneration. Finally, dividend payment was EUR 26 million. FX impacts and other amounted to EUR 29 million, of which M&A represent the vast majority, EUR 27 million. In page 37, we set out the evolution of our leverage since 2016. We closed 2022 with leverage ratio of just 0.1 net debt to EBITDA, and with a material improvement compared to 2021. As in previous years, factoring stands at EUR 187 million to make figures comparable, and excludes the impact of IFRS 16. Now, just to finish my part, a quick look to the debt structure in page 38.
In 2022, we have reduced gross debt in around EUR 500 million. At the end of the year, we had EUR 966 million of gross debt, well diversified around 50% fixed and 50% floating. Average maturity of two years and cost of debt at 1.9%. The cash position at the end of 2022 was EUR 933 million. We also have more than EUR 180 million of undrawn credit facilities. Figures that compares well with our gross debt maturity profile that, as you can see, includes EUR 250 million for the convertible bond that matures in 2023. Overall, our strong financial position, together with the strong operating performance of the business, offer opportunities to fund future growth going forward.
I leave the floor to Ignacio for the outlook and guidance.
Thank you, Borja. Last but very important, let's turn to our outlook and update for guidance on page 40. As a start, I see the scene by indicating to you that following and understanding 2022, the overall theme is for a moderation of the growth rate in 2023, but even on that base for Indra Group to grow at a very attractive rate. The picture I summarized for you here is formulated early in the year. Of course, our tendency is to take careful approach to our assumptions. The early signs we have seen in the first months give us confidence at this stage of the achievability. As you can see on the slide, we overachieved the revised 2022 guidance we gave back in July in all metrics, revenues, EBIT, and free cash flow.
As you can see in the middle and left part of the table, thanks to outstanding performance of both divisions during the year. Regarding 2023, we expect it to be a growth year, both in revenues and EBIT, while generating again, a very strong free cash flow. In more detail, we expect revenues in constant currency to be above EUR 4 billion. Reported EBIT in absolute terms above EUR 315 million. Free cash flow of more than EUR 200 million, implying a free cash flow to EBIT conversion ratio above 60%. Now on slide 41, we come back to the slide that we displayed at the beginning of the presentation, but now including our 2023 outlook. As you can see, it results in a very positive trend for the 2021-2023 period.
Our 2023 guidance implies that we are delivering growth and profitability compared to our standing 2022 figures, with our revenues and EBIT growing 3.9% and 4.8% respectively, and with a very strong cash flow generation. With this 2023 guidance, we expect trend for the 2021-2023 period improves significantly versus the 2019-2021 period, surpassing in all metrics revenue and EBIT growth and average free cash flow generation and ensuring that we are very well positioned for the medium-term outlook. Let me finish the presentation by saying how this excellent 2022 has provided a very solid starting point for our future growth and strategy looking forward for 2023 and beyond.
First, because we now have a very high quality backlog at all-time highs and increased mix towards digital, a constant focus on improving our operational delivery together with a very solid financial position. Second, we now enjoy a very strong balance sheet to support our strategic options, built on our robust cash flow generation and the careful stewardship of our shareholders' capital that we have delivered in the last years. Third, because we will remain sharply focused on delivering first-class customer satisfaction together with improving our operational performance and efficiency. Thank you very much for your attention. Now we are ready for the questions.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Q&A session starts now. If you wish to ask the question, please press star followed by five on your telephone keypad. First question comes from the line of Laurent Daure from Kepler. Please go ahead.
Good evening, gentlemen. Congratulations for the strong 2022. I have two questions tonight. The first is if you could give us a little bit of granularity on the outlook in defense for 2023, 2024, and especially on top of FCAS, maybe the main programs that could contribute to your growth rate over the next two years. My second question is on the profitability, relatively flat you expect for 2023. I'm wondering, with a growth rate north of 4% and net convert of 9% plus wage inflation, how to reconcile the more modest growth rate and the cost of staff that is likely to go up. Thank you.
Laurent. Hi. Well, I think that how we see 2023 is I think we will have in defense and security, I mean, double-digit growth, obviously with a strong support of FCAS contribution. I think a similar contribution of Eurofighter. If we exclude these two programs, I think defense will post a strong growth. I think we have a strong backlog, multi-year programs in Spain. I mean, programs like 8x8, like NH90, Chinook or air defense radars, I think will have a strong contribution in 2023 already. I think we have also in the pipeline and in order intakes, looking forward the batches of the year and also good prospects to continue increasing our, our backlog.
Okay?
Okay.
Regarding the second question, I don't know if it's so clear for me to be honest, because your line was difficult. We understood the 6% increase.
It's basically the workforce that has moved up. The head count grown a lot last year. There's wage inflation. It's big. It's more than half of the sales, the staff cost. We're just worried about a potential margin squeeze, basically.
I think, you know, we'll have 6% inflation. All in all, you know, we think everything we need to do in the company that we will, through the exercise that we do on a yearly basis, compensate with several measures. You know, pyramid, passing costs to our clients, and so and so on, more juniors, remote working. I think so. We've been doing this now for years. We have, you know, maybe a little bit more headwind in terms of the real inflation, but, you know, we have plenty of measures going forward and already in process that will offset that.
Basically the target is to have the IT part more or less stable in profitability then?
Yeah, sorry. Luis, maybe you can go ahead.
Yeah, yeah. In the IT part, the idea is to be stable in terms of profitability, yes, in terms of EBIT. Basically also because, apart from the things that Ignacio was commenting on, we'll have to compensate, you know, for the effect of the lower contribution from the Elections project in Angola, which as you know, in this year, 2022, has been relevant, and in 2023, basically will have a minor impact. Basically what we are expecting here, you know, the expectations in terms of profitability of Minsait for 2023 are to have an EBIT of around, I mean, actually more than 5%.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Which is flat. This is apparently flat. If you take out the impact of Angola, it, you know, implies a slight improvement.
Thank you so much.
Thank you. Next question, please.
Thanks. From the line of Ben Castillo -Bernaus from BNP, please go ahead.
Hi. Good evening. Thanks very much for taking my questions. One just on the FCAS project. You highlighted the EUR 600 million of order entry. Just wondering on the how we should think about the phasing of the costs associated on delivering that and indeed how we should think that revenue being recognized through 2023 and beyond for that initial phase. Secondly, looking at your hiring in Minsait, look like hiring sequentially has slowed to just 1% in both Q3 and Q4 sequentially, down from sort of 3%-4% before that. How should we think about the expected growth in Minsait in 2023? Are you planning for a positive growth year or a flat year-over-year? Thanks very much.
Okay. Thank you. I think, facing of FCAS, you know, we have a EUR 600 million contract. Roughly, we have like a EUR 100 million average step up, stepping up in 2023. From a cost point of view, this is at least in the first years, a technology contract. Sorry. A technology contract, basically is having the people in place to develop technology, and we will be able to invoice, depending on, you know, the number of resources and deliveries we need to do on those resources, no? I mean that's, it's a pass-through, like, let's say, contract, from a subcontracting point of view to our suppliers. I would say very straightforward.
I think that if that's your question, answers your question.
Yeah, that's helpful. Thank you.
Thank you. Luis?
On Minsait, on the growth of Minsait and the evolution of the employee base here, you know, we expect low single-digit growth in 2023, which implicitly is actually mid-single-digit growth. We take into account the negative delta from the Angola Elections project, which is gonna be minus EUR 90 million vis-a-vis 2022. Take into account also, I mean, some minor effects of inorganic of inorganic operations. So this would be like as I was saying, inclusive mid-single-digit growth, and then the employee base will have to grow accordingly. That's-
Great. That's helpful. Just one quick follow-up, if I may, just in terms of FX assumptions, obviously we've seen fairly sharp moves towards the end of Q4 last year. Your guide revenue growth is in constant currency. What's your base case assumption on FX? I think it was a 1-2 point tailwind in past year. What are you modeling for 2023, the impact?
Okay. I mean, difficult assumption, but we understand something like EUR 30 million to EUR 40 million positive in 2023, revenues.
Great. Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, please be reminded that in order to be able to ask the question, you must press the star key followed by five on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Nicolas David from Oddo. Please go ahead.
Yes. Good evening, gentlemen, and also congrats from my part for this very strong Q4. I have three question from my side. The first is coming back on Minsait growth guidance. It's likely that excluding the Angolan contract is mid-single digit. Could you discuss a bit about the phasing of this growth? Is it? Do you expect a stronger beginning of the year, and are you factoring then a slowdown, cautious slow, more cautious H2 based on the micro assumptions, which are probably, yeah, much micro is providing some uncertainty? Or is it really from the beginning of the year, 5%, and your assumption is that you will keep the pace all over the year?
My second question is really, what was the impact of the FCAS signing in your Q4 book to bill? Could you give us a figure and trend for Q4 excluding this contract? My last question is, could you provide us with an update regarding any potential strategic review, be it for midterm, new midterm ambitions and also potential evolution of the portfolio of activities? Thank you.
I start with Minsait on the growth quarter by quarter. You know, here I would say that, you know, there are a few effects to be taken into account. You know, one is that typically. Well, you know, quarters should be relatively stable, okay. That's the first of all. Then, if we have to say something about the evolution quarter by quarter, you know, probably the first one could be slightly weaker, because we'll have to compensate, you know, for the salary increase, which takes effect, you know, since January.
If you compare quarter-over-quarter vis-a-vis 2022, here there may be some effects in the comparison that have to do, you know, with the patterns of recognition of revenues of the Angola Elections project in 2022. You know, overall I would say that we should expect relative stability in the different quarters. Maybe the first one a bit weaker. You know, I would say it's coming.
Thank you, Luis. Coming back to FCAS, if I understand your question is, I mean, the order of FCAS is EUR 600 million. If we look into what is the order intake of 2022 ex FCAS is EUR 1.3 billion, EUR 1.4 billion, compared to EUR 1.25 billion, so EUR 1,250 million in 2021. There is growth of our backlog due to the order intake, including our ex FCAS. Okay? I'm afraid you need to repeat question three because it was not clear.
Yeah, no, Thank you for this answer. The question three was about providing an update regarding any strategic review regarding assets, disposals or midterm ambitions. When do you plan to come back to the market about that? Could you already now give us a flavor of what you could announce? Maybe a follow-up to Luis' answer. I mean, when you mentioned that weaker Q1 from Minsait, it means in term of margin, right? My question was whether about the growth, the phasing of the growth from Minsait excluding Angolan contract. Really the underlying growth from Minsait quarter after quarter for 2023.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Nicolas, I take this one first. Yeah, you are right. I mean, it will be slightly weaker in terms of margin. In terms of revenue growth, it shouldn't be weaker. Actually, we see no slowdown so far. You know, we tend to be conservative here because you know that this sector is less cyclical. In terms of growth or revenues, we see no slowdown, and we see four quarters which are should be stable in terms of growth.
Okay. On your question on strategy, well, we are very much working with the board on a strategy. I would say with a lot of meetings and so and so on. You know, once we are prepared, we'll come back to the market and obviously we'll give details on that. Let's let us work on that and come back to you.
Okay. Thank you. That's fair. Have a good evening. Bye.
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Thank you. Thank you very much for your attendance. Thank you very much for the support, and we're looking forward to the next conference on the first quarter of 2023. Thank you so much to all of you.
Thank you.