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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Jul 28, 2023

Eduardo San Miguel
CEO, Tecnicas Reunidas

Hello, good morning. This is Eduardo San Miguel. Before entering into the presentation, I would like to introduce you all Antonio Alonso-Muñoyerro, who is the new Head of Investor Relations Department of the company. He replaces Joaquin Perez de Ayala, who from now on, is the Head of the Track Energy Transition Unit. Thank you. Thank you. Joaquin is with us today as well. Thank you. Thank you for your support these five, six years, Joaquin. Now, Antonio, you have the floor.

Antonio Alonso-Muñoyerro
Head of Investor Relations, Tecnicas Reunidas

Thank you. Thank you very much, Eduardo. Good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure to have a chance to say hi to all of you, and I will do my best, along with Tomas, which you all know, to provide the best quality service you expect from this position. Thank you very much. Now, well, let me welcome to you to this results presentation of the first half of 2023. It will be conducted by our Chairman, Juan Llado, and our CEO, Eduardo San Miguel. It will take around 20 minutes, and afterwards, you will be able to address all your questions. Juan, please, you have the floor.

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

Hi. Hello, everyone. Let me congratulate Antonio Joaquin for the new challenges, which are good challenges, but also fun challenges.

I'm sure they're gonna do great. Let me start. In today's presentation, Eduardo and I will be driving you through a summary of TR results for this first half of 2023. Then I will start with a review of our commercial activity, and what you can expect for the upcoming quarters. I will also update you on the recent evolution of Track, which is our low-carbon technologies new business unit. Eduardo then will move on to give you an update on the most relevant milestones recently achieved on our ongoing projects, our production, our execution, very important to us. As usual, Eduardo will explain to you the financial figures for the period. Then, finally, I will conclude the presentation with the guidance for 2023. Start with the commercial activity.

This is, to me, a rather large and complex slide. Let me walk you through this slide. I want with it to share our conviction, that this is going to be a great year for TR on the commercial front. A year in which high quality awards will comfortably surpass our annual sales. A year that will confirm our good times ahead of us, with what we call the investment super cycle. We call that way when we did our capital increase, not that long ago, and it's happening. In the slides that we showed to you three months ago, we started, or we stated, that we were facing the three largest pipeline ever had. We were reaching, and we still there, close to EUR 70 billion for the next two years, and that's the pipeline that we maintain.

Let me do a further analysis. Only in 2023, TR is expected to submit bids for a total of EUR 26 million. Let's do a breakdown of this. The breakdown is that EUR 13 billion in natural gas projects are already presented. More than EUR 10 billion in petrochemical and refining development, and almost EUR 3 billion in energy transition projects. Those are the EUR 26 billion altogether that we have to present, and we are presenting in 2023. Out of this, where are we now? What we have already done? As of today, TR has already submitted bids for a total of EUR 11 billion, altogether, with the three waves. The bids follow the expected sequence of investment waves that we have showed to you in our last presentations. We had the first wave of natural gas, petrochemicals, and low carbon technologies.

Even more important, as of today, I can confirm, and this is very important, that within this EUR 11 billion that we have already submitted, this is very important. First, we have been declared preferred bidders in projects for a total of EUR 1.8 billion. Being selected preferred bidders signifies that we are already negotiating final terms with our customers. Second, as important as the first point, we have been declared front runners in additional bids for an additional amount of EUR 2 billion. Being a front runner, really, you know, is, as I said to my team, is for us to lose. We should win. I mean, we have to get those jobs. Therefore, I can be very optimistic, and I am optimistic, to deliver to you good news in the upcoming months from the bids that we have already been presented.

We are being selected as front runners and preferred bidders. More, but it's also important that this is not the end. We're still going to submit bids for another EUR 50 million from now to the end of 2023. In this regard, let me stress that TR is not a short-term business. This is not a trading business. This is a long-term business, and we have to manage it as such. It pays to be, you know, it pays to the company, to our shareholders, to all the stakeholders, to be patient. We will be patient and selective. Patient and selective, to be well selected, and we are being well selected. We're striving to get a high quality and profitable backlog. We have been patient because we think that the projects we're currently negotiating, and this is very important, are the right ones for TR.

The projects that we want to have, they're the ones that better fit our know-how or capacity, and they're consistent with our de-risking strategy. Therefore, they're the ones that will deliver stronger and more stable margins. After this complex and dense slide, let me do a wrap-up with a simple one. Now, with a simple slide, let's do this wrap-up, let's do a recap of the full picture of our commercial situation. Sorry for repeating myself on and on, but I think it is important to have a crystal clear picture of this commercial outlook for the year. In the first months of the year, we were awarded the new fertilizer plant that Kazatomprom is developing in Kazakhstan. We were also develop a new regasification plant in Germany, very important one.

That was, you know, that was EUR 0.5 billion, that if you remember well, we put together the deal with the two construction companies that we trust more, so both civil and mechanical. We have put together a very good and, you know, which will be a very successful deal. Furthermore, we secured through track several key energy transition projects for clients, very important to us, our long, you know, our always all-time clients, such as Cepsa, Repsol, and Atlas Agro. All in all, we have already secured EUR 1.8 billion in awards. On the other hand, within the EUR 17 billion pipeline, we have already put forward bids for another EUR 1 billion. The outlook looks very positive. We have been selected as preferred bidder for EUR 1.8 billion in awards, we should be announcing awards, those awards, very soon.

We were very well placed. We are extremely well placed in more than EUR 2 billion of other new projects, which we have to really focus with our customers, because as I said to my team, it's for us to lose. In conclusion, we are very comfortable. I am very confident in surpassing the EUR 5 billion threshold in terms of new awards for 2023. As Anna, we will be stating later, this confidence will lead us to include this figure, as we haven't done it before, as part of our guidance for this current 2023 year. Let me now move, which I think it is important, to the last wave. It is very important. It's the last wave and eventually become a truly important wave. Let's move to Track.

Let-- I will explain how the hard work of track here now with his low carbon technology business unit is already, you know, bearing fruit in all many different fronts and technologies. With this slide, as we're extremely busy, you can see we're extremely busy in all dimensions of the low carbon technology. In the slide, we have just selected a sample of the results of our intense work in this business, in this wave. Up to the first quarter results presented back in May, we had already announced three important awards that I like to repeat, as that I do believe is very important. We, we were awarded a bid, potentially converted into a large open book for a green fertilizer company, Atlas Agro, to develop a zero-carbon nitrogen fertilization plant in the USA, which would include TR's technology in nitric, in, you know, and fertilizers.

Two, very important as well. In this case, it's engineering. It's not volume, but quality. You know, we've been awarded the engineering, procurement, management, and construction management to develop for Cepsa, our good customer, the second generation biofuels plant in Huelva. This happens to be the largest project in this kind in Southern Europe. We happen to be the engineering company working intensively with them. We have already started. Finally, with our good customer, Repsol, we were awarded the engineering, plus procurement and management-... of all the electrification of two very big industrial petrochemical complexes for Repsol, one in Portugal, Sines, and the other one in Spain, which is the first step to decarbonize petrochemical, you know, sites. The, you may be wondering, what have we done, you know, over the last two months?

Things are happening, and happening very rapidly, and that's the message that I want to, you know, express in this presentation. A memorandum of understanding, we have signed a memorandum of understanding with the IFC, which all of you know, that is the World Bank subsidiary for the private sector. The objective is to develop carbon technology projects in Eastern Europe. IFC is one of the biggest financiers, you know, in developing the private sector in all these industries, and we've put together a very intense and collaboration memorandum of understanding. The collaboration seeks to support the development of projects and facilitate the transition in low carbon technologies, which will promote decarbonization carbon in all the intensive industries. Obviously, we'll have to work very hard in the things that we are very strong.

We'll include hydrogen and all its derivatives, biofuel and all these alternatives, and the different technologies for low carbon units. This agreement is relevant as the investment in Eastern Europe in low carbon technologies are expected, according to external, you know, analysis, to be more than EUR 35 billion in the coming years. Also, it's important to say that all these countries produce about 35% of the total CO2 emissions in Europe. We have a lot of work to do and a very good memorandum of understanding signed. We're working hard. You might be wondering what happened with the U.S., that we talked to you before. We've already have the premises, we have opened the premises.

We're extremely busy and growing, we have already hired a new leader, and we are building up the project structure team to take advantage of the attractive regulation the U.S. has already put in place. We are there, already there. We're up and working. Finally, we have another award. Unfortunately, I cannot disclose the client. It's a good client. It's a client with whom we have worked before, and we know extremely well. We have been awarded the engineering services for a very green ammonia, very green, I'm gonna say, a very big ammonia project in Europe. We will be announcing this award soon, as our customer allow us to do so. Having done so, now it's time for Eduardo to move on with our production and numbers.

Eduardo San Miguel
CEO, Tecnicas Reunidas

Okay. Thank you, thank you, Juan. Good morning again. It's true, the immediate future is extremely promising, as Juan has explained in detail, but we cannot miss the focus on executing properly the current projects of our backlog. This is why I would like to devote this part of the presentation to give some color about a few relevant milestones that have been achieved within the last quarter in different projects. Before entering into the milestones achieved, I would like to highlight two messages. The first one is that after three difficult years, we are almost back to full normality. The second one is that under this scenario of normality, we have secured the delivery of at least EUR 1 billion of sales per quarter, and this is the minimum threshold we believe the company needs to deliver consistently solid margins. Let's go to the slide now.

At the top of the slide, we see our ADNOC Gas project for ADNOC, an expansion of its gas treatment facilities in Das Island for around EUR 1 billion. As you know, the project is being performed by a JV, where we are the leaders. The main scope of TR in this project was recently achieved with the completion of the load out of the last module, as you can see in the top right-hand picture. At this point, the engineering, the procurement, and the module shipment is fully completed. Now, the construction is in charge of Técnicas Reunidas India's partner at the JV, and has 50% progress completed. Now, at the bottom, and regarding our petrochemical segment, I want to focus on one of the biggest projects in our backlog, the Olefins project for ORLEN in Poland, that we are constructing together with Hyundai.

In recent weeks, they are completed the transport of the wash tower to the site. As you can see in the picture, this transport was very challenging. Due to its huge size, transport was done through the Vistula River, and we crossed by truck the city of Plock during night hours to avoid disruption of traffic in the city. The engineering and the procurement are almost fully completed, and the construction phase is currently under development at full speed. Let's take now a look at the refining segment. In this case, we have chosen two of the largest projects carried out by Técnicas Reunidas in its history: the Duqm Refinery in Oman and the CRISP Refinery for Exxon. The Duqm project was awarded to the consortium formed by Técnicas Reunidas, S.A. and Daewoo in 2018 for an amount of almost $3 billion.

During this 3rd quarter, Duqm has started its initial operation and is currently ramping up to full capacity. We are particularly proud about the delivery of this project, since a big part of the construction works were executed during the pandemia. The CRISP project for Exxon, at the bottom of the slide, is an expansion of its Singapore refinery and was awarded to TR in 2018 as well. One of the big challenges of this project is that the process units are to be constructed as modules outside Singapore and have to be assembled at the site. During the 1st half of the year, several shipments with modules have already been sent from Thailand, and most of them are already installed in the site.

The project is also a good example of our continued support on improving the safety, both at the yard and at the construction site. We want to emphasize that we have reached 24 million of safe man-hours in this project. Let me now give you an update on the evolution of Técnicas Reunidas' engineering capacity in recent quarters. As we indicated during the capital increase presentation in April, the engineering resources available in the sector shrank dramatically over the last decade. We also explained that, on the contrary, Técnicas Reunidas kept intact its core engineering base during that period. Now, I want to strengthen the message that Técnicas Reunidas is ready to address the large investment super cycle.

We will not only keep intact our core engineering base, but we are also reinforcing our engineering team in Spain and stepping up the growth of our offices in the Middle East, India, and Turkey. This will allow us to have capacity available at competitive costs. The number of professionals, as you can see, has increased 50% year-over-year since June 2022, to reach a level of 8,700 employees today. The growth is totally consistent with the commercial outlook that Juan presented to you. Major waves of investments are coming, and we are getting ready to address them all. Let's move to the figures of the first semester of 2023. In terms of sales, TR continues to record quarterly sales of more than EUR 1 billion, reaching EUR 2.2 billion in the first six months of the year.

The figure implies an increase of more than 31% vs the same period of 2022. The margin from our operations continues to grow quarter after quarter, getting closer to the 4% guidance for 2023. The margin for the second quarter stood at 3.7%. This is the fourth quarter in a row that sales are above EUR 1 billion, and that EBIT margin grows vs the preceding quarter. Moving to balance sheet figures, as you can see in the slide, the net cash position at the end of June stood at EUR 241 million. This figure includes, obviously, the EUR 150 million inflow coming from the capital increase that was closed at the beginning of the second quarter.

During this second quarter, as advanced to you in the capital increase presentation, we have put to work some of this cash, devoting it to repay about EUR 48 million of our financial debt and to incentivize our suppliers to accelerate the project as fast as possible. We are sure this is a wise use for the cash available. Revitalizing our supplier's cash cycle is the best way to reach on time new milestones to be invoiced, and that generates further cash to feed this positive loop. Our financial goal is obviously to be certain to deliver on-time projects to full satisfaction of our clients. Now, I will hand over the floor to Juan for the guidance.

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

Hey, thank you very much, Eduardo. I have a very simple slide here. You see, you know. Let me conclude today's presentation, you know, reiterating our confidence on the positive commercial outlook ahead of us. Using a traditional English expression, we can graphically say that the investment cycle is alive and kicking. We all see that the first major wave of awards is already taking place all throughout the industry, not only with us. I am confident, and TR is confident, to take a big slice of this first wave. We've gotten ready for it. As we discussed before, we have been declared with bidders and front runners for our clients on several major projects. We're bidding, and the decisions are the very final stages. This makes us confident through enough to conclude our 2023 guidance, the expectation to surpass the EUR 5 billion of awards.

This figure will imply that we achieve one of the highest levels of order intake in TR history, and probably with good and well de-risked quality. We all expect this to be the beginning, the beginning of other waves of awards coming through 2024 and beyond. Projects in these waves will be comparable, not only in terms of size, but also in terms of their great and greater quality, which is where we're very much focused. As for the financial guidance, let me confirm our target for 2023. Given our current backlog, we think we can achieve the EUR 4 billion sales, and, in very important, a 4% EBIT margin. In the midterm future, we have the determination to grow. If market allows to grow, we will grow.

We are convinced that we will achieve our strategic goals for the benefit of all our stakeholders. We will grow in sales, consolidate our de-risked margins, and thus grow our bottom line in, and cash generation. In 2024, with the normalization of all operation on international variables, we should get back to you on these medium-term objectives. We are optimistic. Now we will be happy to answer any of the questions that you may want to address or pose to us. Thank you very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the Q&A session starts now. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Please be informed that there can be a short silence while questions are being registered. Once again, star one for questions. Thank you. The first question comes from Ignacio Domenech, from JB Capital. Please go ahead.

Ignacio Domenech
Equity Research Analyst, JB Capital

So I would like to get a sense on how the higher margins are being achieved, any particular dynamics that there would be?

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

Ignacio, we have lost the line for a while. Do you mind to start the question again?

Ignacio Domenech
Equity Research Analyst, JB Capital

Yes, I, I'll start again. The first question is on EBIT margins. Now, your 4% guidance in 2023 would imply delivering margins above the 4% on the second half. I would like to get a sense on how these margins are, are being achieved and any particular dynamics that you are seeing here. If there's any particular division that is better positioned or, or con- or contributing more to achieve this profitability. My second question is on free cash flow generation. I believe this was affected by higher out-outflows, clients in... Thank you.

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

Sorry, we, we have lost the line again. Let's do something. I'm going to answer to the first question, and you can call later, and we can try to understand the second question and answer it. Yeah, we still believe that the expected margin for this year is going to be a 4%. I want to be clear. It's a fact that we are now delivering around 3.7 per quarter, and it's a small challenge. It's not a challenge if you analyze that we are today completing a number of projects, and we are closing final settlements with our clients and with our suppliers. Our idea is that the outcome of these final settlements will give us these extra points that we need to reach this 4%.

To be very honest, I don't know if I want to be in the 4%, in 4.2%, or 3.8%, because we are talking about, I think, EUR 10 million or EUR 9 million. My target, and we believe it's achievable, and we will be doing it, is we will be doing this 4%.

Operator

Thank you very much. The next question comes from Kévin Roger from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Kévin Roger
Head of Energy Equipment & Services, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes, good morning. As a kind of maybe follow-up, if you make the math around your guidance, you are basically implying that the H2 EBIT margin should be around 4.5%, while the top line should not materially, materially increase on a quarterly basis. What makes you really confident in a way that you can jump from a quarter to another, from 3.5% around to 4.5% around? If this guidance is correct, in a way, what does it mean for 2024? Because if you are also refreshing the backlog with a new wave of orders coming, et cetera, that should be also the sign that your margin would be better in 2024, 2025 than in H2 2023.

If those maths for the H2 are correct, does it also imply that the EBIT margin at Técnicas should be at least a 4.5%+ for the coming year? That would be the first question, please.

Eduardo San Miguel
CEO, Tecnicas Reunidas

Okay, Kévin, as I have told you, this 4.5% potential margin of this second half of the year has to do with something very specific. We are closing a couple of projects that can deliver some extra points in the very last minute, but this is not the average. This is not the average. Next year, I think we should be waiting something around the 4%, which is the overall guidance we have been providing for the last, I would say, one year. That's, that's, that's, that's my message for you, okay.

Anyway, we also have to be a bit conservative, and I, I don't want to say we are going to be conservative next year, but if by any reason we see that the projects can deliver a better margin, we, we, we, we, we need to analyze twice if we want to deliver it or not. You know, we have suffered a lot in the last years, and I think to, to provide a guidance for next year of 4% is, is the, is the wise guidance. We can do it, and, you know, it's, it's challenging, but it's not a huge challenge. It's, it's something achievable.

Kévin Roger
Head of Energy Equipment & Services, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Okay, understood. To understand also the dynamic around cash flow for the coming quarters, is there any specific elements to mention for the cash flow in terms of working cap? Maybe some, if you have a very strong H2 order intake, does it mean that you should receive some prepayment, and that then it should be a support for the cash? Any color here?

Eduardo San Miguel
CEO, Tecnicas Reunidas

Well, the cash flow probably would be one of the good news of the forthcoming, forthcoming quarters. I don't know if the quarter, but I'm sure the fourth quarter, we will see very relevant down payments in the balance sheet, and probably we will not have time enough to pay our suppliers with the down payments received from clients. We will see a significant increase of cash in our balance sheet by the end of the year. That's for sure.

Kévin Roger
Head of Energy Equipment & Services, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, understood. Thanks for the time.

Operator

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, let me remind you again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have any question or comment, please dial star one on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. Thank you. The next question comes from Robert Jackson from Banco Santander. Please go ahead.

Robert Jackson
European Equity Research Analyst, Banco Santander

Hi, good morning, gentlemen. A quick question related to the U.S. and your development in that market. Can you give us any idea of what the challenges are for, or you're having, and more visibility in terms of timing or potential over the medium term? Maybe Joaquin, maybe Joaquin could comment on what he's developing out there. Thank you.

Eduardo San Miguel
CEO, Tecnicas Reunidas

Joaquin is going to answer this question.

Joaquin Perez de Ayala
Head of Energy Transition, Tecnicas Reunidas

Well, hello, Robert. Yes, well, for the U.S., I think, we have very good expectations, you know. We have already hired the head of projects development for the United States. He's based in Houston, and he's working hard in these first weeks to having active, in fact, several good conversations with project developers. We want to do some type of development with existing players there for hydrogen and for green ammonia projects, okay? Well, there, we want this to benefit from the IRA incentives that the U.S. have put in place. It is something that we are studying, studying thoroughly. We are working hard with the McKinsey team that we have also there in Houston.

We are also trying to see how we could enter into new industries, like cement, where we think that the carbon capture incentives under the IRA are going to be very attractive for, for this industry. Well, you know, we are working, we are doing our homework, and, and we expect to, to have good news in the, in the coming quarters for that.

Robert Jackson
European Equity Research Analyst, Banco Santander

Okay, thank, thank you. I just, another question related to the MOU with the IFC. It sounds very, very interesting and, a lot of opportunity there. Can you, can you give us any, any more visibility in terms of, where Técnicas or, or how, how Técnicas can, can see, see that, the, that, that, MOU in, in, in, in their, backlog over the coming quarters or, or coming year? Any, any, any visibility there would be, would be interesting. Any more visibility would, would be interesting. Thank you.

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

Yes, with the IFC, I think we, we entered into conversation several months ago, and we have very good, very good meetings. You know, we are very, very aligned in the sense that we are going to co-develop projects, good projects, for green hydrogen, for biofuels, for carbon capture there. We are trying to target, I would say, initially, the largest emitters there in the region. You know, the geographical scope is, the main countries around the geographical scope are Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, even Ukraine also, although this is not the moment, I would say. You know that, here, what we see is that there could be about, from here to 2030, around EUR 35 billion of investments carbonizing the assets of these industries. Okay?

We are going to, to begin to identify assets at the first week of September, okay? We are have the kickoff meeting in the first week of September. We are working, I would say, hard in to, to prepare that, those initial meetings. We also expect to have, good news in the coming quarters. You know, we, we are, we, we both institutions expect that we are going to have very good achievements under this, collaboration.

Robert Jackson
European Equity Research Analyst, Banco Santander

Just, just to follow up. Who, who will, who will you be competing with in, in those, those markets?

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

Let me answer you to that. I mean, when we are moving into a new sector at the end of the day, I mean, we do have the know-how, we do have the engineering capacity, we have increased our capacity from engineering to structuring. The first thing you do when you develop, let's think of it as a startup, you have to gain visibility. Not credibility, we got visibility. I think that visibility together with the IFC, you know, it put us in a, you know, it's, it's, it's a jump forward, you know, very, very, very important. It's not the same to go by yourself knocking the doors than going together with the IFC, especially in those Eastern European countries. This is very important.

That's why we wanted to announce it and make it public. It is extremely important. To be successful, you not only have to be good, you have to be seen good. With them, we're going to be seen good. The same as in the U.S., I mean, we're good with Exxon, they know us.

Robert Jackson
European Equity Research Analyst, Banco Santander

Mm-hmm.

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

We have to be seen good and believed good, and that's, you know, and identify the good projects, and that's McKinsey's role.

Robert Jackson
European Equity Research Analyst, Banco Santander

Mm-hmm.

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

I think we're working very hard in terms of visibility and credibility because we do have the know-how.

Robert Jackson
European Equity Research Analyst, Banco Santander

Mm-hmm.

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

Competition, you know, you know, we don't know. Probably, you know, our longtime competitors, you know, they're going to be there, and they're going to want to be there. I mean, we're not, I think we're very bright, so that we have to compete in this world with also very bright companies and very bright managers and very bright initiatives.

Robert Jackson
European Equity Research Analyst, Banco Santander

Right.

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

Let me add one thing, Juan, you know, going further with the IFC gives a lot of credibility to the investment proposals that we are trying to build. Okay.

Robert Jackson
European Equity Research Analyst, Banco Santander

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions in today's conference. I now give back the floor to the speakers.

Juan Llado
Chairman, Tecnicas Reunidas

Okay. Thank you very much. I know it was not a good day, Friday, end of the month, you all are very busy. I have to thank you, all of you, you know, first thing in the morning is starting to wake up and do the reports. Thank you for your time, thank you for your patience and understanding, and thank you for listening to us. We'll be talking to you in November, I understand. Thanks a lot again.

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