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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Jul 19, 2023

Operator

[Foreign language] . Good morning, welcome to the conference call organized by Vidrala to present its first half 2023 results. Vidrala will be represented in this meeting by Raúl Gómez, CFO, and Iñigo Mendieta, Head of IR. The presentation will be held in English. In the Q&A session, questions will be also answered in Spanish. It is strongly recommended to pose questions in English in order to facilitate understanding of everyone. In the company website, www.vidrala.com, you will find available a presentation that will be used as supporting material to cover this call, as well as a link to access the webcast. Mr. Mendieta, you may now have the floor.

Iñigo Mendieta
Head of Investor Relations, Vidrala

Good morning to everyone, and thank you for the time that you dedicate to attend this call. As announced, Vidrala has published this morning its 2023 first half results, and additionally, we have also published the results presentation that will be used as supporting material to this conference call. Following this document, we will dedicate the first part of our exposition to briefly explain the figures released today, to devote afterwards as much time as necessary to discuss on business performance in the Q&A session. We invite you to access the webcast through the link available in our webpage. Starting with the main magnitudes, in the first half of 2023, we achieved as most relevant business figures, revenues of almost EUR 795 million, an EBITDA above EUR 215 million, and a net income equivalent to an EPS of EUR 4.19.

Net debt at the end of the period stood at EUR 284 million, which is equivalent to a leverage ratio of 0.8x the last 12 months' EBITDA. Turning to S lide 4, we look at top-line performance, analyzing the annual variation of revenue, broken down by concepts to arrive at the reported figure of EUR 794.8 million. That is the result of 23.9% growth on constant currency basis. The Park contributed +2% to sales growth. Volumes were down -5% in the first half, while price mix effect was up 27%. Following the order of key business figures referred to at the beginning, we analyze with the same breakdown, the variation of operating income.

2023 first half EBITDA amounted to EUR 215.2 million, reflecting a constant currency growth of 94%. These operating figures resulted in an operating margin, EBITDA over sales, of 27.1%, which represents an expansion of almost 10 percentage points compared to 17.2% registered in the previous year as a consequence of already mentioned unprecedented inflationary pressures. If we conduct an analysis of last 12 months' data to try to mitigate non-representative quarterly distortions and deduct business trends, we can appreciate how we are gradually recovering more normalized profitability levels towards historical average, well above 20% over sales. Let's analyze now the free cash flow generation in detail.

We will do so with the help of the chart on Slide 8, which reconstructs the cash conversion accumulated for the last 12 months in order to fully normalize our annual cash flow. Starting from an EBITDA margin of 25.1%, we have dedicated 8.8% of sales to investments. Unusually, the aggregate of working capital, financials, and taxes represented a big cash outflow, in this case of 11.9% of sales. More important, we return to positive last 12 months free cash flow generation, despite exceptional working capital movements that were already anticipated and should moderate during the second half of the year. Finally, net debt at the end of the reported period, closed at EUR 283.8 million.

This figure is a consequence of the just mentioned cash generation, our commitment to shareholder remuneration, and the cash out for the acquisition of The Park and the non-controlling, minority stake in the share capital of Vidroporto. As a result, leverage ratio stands at 0.8x EBITDA. Now, before turning to the Q&A session, I pass the word to Raúl so that he can extract main conclusions from highlights and make additional comments that he considers appropriate.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Iñigo, and thank you all for attending this conference call today. You know, we really appreciate your time. Well, we are today announcing results for the first six months of the year that are broadly aligned with our guidance, that meet our targets, and that are a good proof of the progresses we are seeing in our business strategy. I will say, we basically are today where we plan to be, and all this is becoming real in our numbers, despite the many extraordinary external factors that we have faced or that have affected the business over the last years. Having said that, I will invite you to take a look back with perspective to better appreciate the resilience of our business profile.

Talking about the today's business context, despite demand conditions are softer than initially expected, the underlying fundamentals of glass as a sustainable packaging material of choice remain intact. Demand levels are quite solid from a historical two or three years perspective. More than this, or about this, thanks to internal reasons, thanks to internal actions, even after the short-term visibility in our sales volumes are today somewhat lower than usual, we remain confident with our guidance, a guidance that we reiterate today. That means that we keep on seeing full year sales increased by double-digit. We do maintain our confidence that margins will be broadly consolidated at the current levels, guiding a margin of 25% EBITDA over sales for the full year. We do still see annual profits quite above the reference or the level of EUR 7 per share for the full year.

Finally, probably more important, we still expect annual free cash flow to exceed an amount of EUR 150 million for the full year. That will be obviously mostly concentrated in the remainder of the year. All this reiterated guidance is, under our opinion, a good proof of what we are today, the strong fundamentals of our business and the benefits we are seeing from our strategic actions. Vidrala is today stronger than in the past, the way we serve our customers has improved significantly, giving us what we do consider a competitive advantage. Finally, before going to the Q&A session, let me end with some remarks again on our quite dynamic recent corporate activity.

You know, since end of January this year, our subsidiary in the U.K., Encirc, owns the beverages filling facilities and the logistic infrastructure in Bristol, known as The Park. The business purchase under a quite rational strategy, that is already fully integrated in our business, further improves the range of services we provide in the U.K., capturing demand, securing glass volumes, helping our existing customers to grow if they need, improving logistics, increasing flexibility, and minimizing carbon footprint. Reinforcing Encirc's unparalleled fundamentals. Even more relevant for us from a strategic point of view, in February this year, we announced the acquisition of a minority stake in the Brazilian company, Vidroporto. A renowned, very well known for us, competitive Brazilian player.

This first step represents for us a very deliberate strategic progress, diversifying our business towards the growing Brazilian market, creating a driver for future growth in regions that will, for sure, offer for us interesting opportunities. All this with an aim of reinforcing our long-term partnership with some of the main global customers, particularly in the beer segment. Thank you. Okay, this completes our exposition. We now give way to the Q&A session.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the Q&A session starts now. Questions by telephone will be answered first. If you wish to ask a question, please dial star one on your telephone keypad. Thank you. Question comes from Ignacio Romero, from Sabadell. Please go ahead.

Ignacio Romero
Equity Research Analyst, Sabadell

Yes, hello, can you hear me?

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Yes, we can hear you.

Ignacio Romero
Equity Research Analyst, Sabadell

Great. Okay, my question has to do with your guidance for the year. It does seem a little bit conservative to me, at least in terms of EPS, given that in the first half you already have made EUR 4.2 per share, and for the full year, you are guiding to about EUR 7. Given that the second half of the year is usually better than the first half, I was wondering if you're being especially cautious this year, or is there something that we might need to take into account to understand this guidance? Thank you.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Ignacio, thank you very much. Well, what we are doing is basically reiterating exactly with all specific details, the guidance we gave three months ago, the time of our first quarter results publication. We deliberately didn't updated our guidance. Okay, following your comments, since then, it's obviously that the our demand orders are somewhat weaker, and our margins are more or less where we plan to be. In terms of EPS, probably we do have some room for further improvement, okay? We understand your comment, and we accept this comment, okay? What we are doing is basically reiterating exactly the same guidance, just to give you a level of comfort. Nothing has changed from our full year results perspective over the last three months that could affect your numbers.

Operator

The next question comes from Francisco Ruiz from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead, Francisco.

Francisco Ruiz
Senior Equity Analyst, BNP Paribas

Thank you. Mainly, you are reiterating that you will be able to maintain the current margins, but the current margins are not 25, are 27, okay? Could you tell us what will make you to have lower margins in the second half if energy is maintained at these levels, and prices probably will move, but not so much, and probably will be some efficiencies or some synergies coming from the acquisition? The second question is on the inflation. I mean, despite the deflation that you are enjoying in energy, the OpEx, well, all the costs, sorry, operating costs, are growing 7% or 8% in this quarter, versus Q2 last year.

Could you give us a breakdown of what is growing above that levels, and how you see the second half of the year, considering a similar gas prices like today? Last but not least, is on the volume side. As the volumes has, you commented -5% , in H1, which means close to -8% in Q2. Could you give us the reason for such a big drop in volumes, and what your estimate for the full year? Thank you.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Thank you, Francisco. Thank you very much. Well, first on your point of margins, it's true that if we consider our guidance in margins for the full year, that would mean a slightly lower margins in the second half of the year. Please, first, consider this guidance as our previous number, that we provide in an effort to improve transparency and predictability. The real number will depend on demand conditions, sales volumes, the temporary need to align capacity if needed, and the progressive path of adaptation of our sales prices should cost stabilize.

All in all, we do have things at the margin level under control, and under the different scenarios that we can today foresee, and we are analyzing many different scenarios, basically from a demand perspective, the impact on our margins in the second half of the year and the impact on our profits will be minimal, okay? This is probably something that provides us some confidence of how solid or competitive our industrial footprint is today, and the contribution of our recent corporate actions that are making Vidrala a different player, okay? The volatility on margins that we will see from now, probably including 2024, will be much more under control, much lower than in the past, okay? We do feel confident on this, okay? That is linked with your second question, okay, inflation.

Well, despite energy and raw materials costs that have largely stabilized over the last few months, they still remain a significant headwind for us versus, particularly versus two years ago. We remain seeing inflation in many pieces across our cost base, okay? I mean, raw materials has started to stabilize. Energy markets are under a process of relaxation, we still see in these two pieces, that accounts for more than 40% of our OpEx, of our total OpEx, inflation, year-on-year inflation of more than 20%, two years, inflation or, inflation over a two-year perspective of more than 40%.

If, how you say that, it should externalize the underlying cost factors further relax, really relax, and consolidated at these levels, our prices will progressively and probably efficiently adapt it, with an effort focused on securing a positive or neutral price to cost gap, and as a result, maintaining our margins, our margins safe. Okay, as I said before, inflation is under a process of realization, but they still remain as a headwind.

Iñigo Mendieta
Head of Investor Relations, Vidrala

On your third question, Francisco , and before Raúl comments, just to provide some numbers and to clarify the figures. In the second quarter, stand alone of 2023, we have seen volumes -6%, excluding the positive impact or the positive contribution of The Park, that is, would partially mitigate this decline, would be +2. For the first half, as you mentioned, volumes are -5, with also The Park partially mitigating that effect, +2.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

I looking at the future, at this level, sales volumes is, well, it's very evident that demand is today, softer than initially expected. We, as I said before, we do see a limited impact on this in our numbers, at least in the short term, okay? Let me remind you that our strategic targets, our strategic priorities, were not based on top-line growth. You probably remember that. Our strategic target has been broadly based on our deliberate capacity realization plan, selectively divesting and investing a number of our facilities to improve the competitiveness of our industrial footprint. That means that our margins are much more based, and our profits are much more based on cost competitiveness than on top-line growth. Having said that, we do feel comfortable.

We do feel that we are well positioned to manage a weaker demand context, and that, in fact, had been previously accepted by us as possible. We are prepared for that, okay? The confidence in our guidance is a good proof of this. I would say sales volume variation is today negative due probably to a number of factors. First, the last year comparison is quite challenging. Let's take a look at more historical perspective to better understand where we are in terms of the underlying demand conditions. Second, our customers that secure higher glass inventories a year ago, are today probably restocking glass. Finally, consumption levels are somewhat lower, globally affected by following macroeconomic factors. Under a two, three-year perspective, as I said before, our demand is quite higher, quite solid, following underlying strong fundamentals.

Our production capacity, nominal production capacity and our recent co-strategic actions are broadly aligned with our current sales levels. Okay. How is it that following the more limited short-term visibility in our sales volumes, while we prefer to avoid giving you a specific prediction at that particular point, our year-on-year change on sales volumes for the second half won't be relevant, I will say. I believe that won't surprise you significantly. Positively or negative, we still don't know, but the variation will be very limited. Evidence of this, of how comfortable we feel with this, is our reiterated guidance at a margin level or EPS or even free cash flow.

Francisco Ruiz
Senior Equity Analyst, BNP Paribas

Okay. Okay, thank you, Raúl.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Alberto Espelosín from JB Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Alberto Espelosín
Equity Research Associate, JB Capital Markets

Yeah, hello, good morning. Can you hear me?

Iñigo Mendieta
Head of Investor Relations, Vidrala

Yes, we can hear you, Alberto.

Alberto Espelosín
Equity Research Associate, JB Capital Markets

I have two follow-up questions. First, on prices, gas prices collapsed. If I remember correctly, about half of your sales have automatic price adjustment formulas. Are you already lowering prices to customers, and are clients pressuring you on this front, or does the +20% OpEx inflation compensate for this? How do you expect prices to develop to year-end? My second question is, do you have any update or any details on Vidroporto, and do you think this acquisition can be closed in second half 2023, or should we wait for next year? Thank you.

Iñigo Mendieta
Head of Investor Relations, Vidrala

Alberto, thank you very much. Just very brief introduction on your first question in terms of pricing? We have seen that the contribution of pricing in the second quarter of the year has been lower. This is still not due to relevant price level adaptation. This is mainly, first of all, because of comparison basis. You remember that in the first quarter of 2022, we were increasing prices in the range of 10%, and in the second quarter, we already introduced the energy surcharge that meant prices in the range of 30%. That's why the annual variation has mathematically moderate in this second quarter, and this base effect will also affect the remainder of the year.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Thank you, Alberto. Going inflation in many pieces across our cost structure, you mentioned that the natural gas are collapsing. Unfortunately, for us, in our experience, natural gas are just progressively under a process of relaxation, natural gas prices today, unluckily, is still double the level we had three years ago, and that needs to be reflected in our prices. Beyond the natural gas or the energy factor, we still do see a lot of inflation in many pieces, okay? It's true that inflation is giving us signs of relaxation. This is a top priority for us. I mean, our top priority is to intensify as much as possible the capture of the process that we are seeing of cost, I would say, the inflation.

If this is finally consolidated in our numbers, we will be fair and transparent with our customers, progressively adapt our prices with the focus and the priority on securing a positive or neutral price to cost spreads, and maintaining our margins safe. We do feel confident with that, okay? Just to give you a reference, you probably remember that approximately one-third of our sales volumes are dictated by long-term supply agreements with price adjustment formulas. This is just a mathematical result of a price adjustment formula following our cost structure, calculated today, is giving us a minimal negative price variation that completely secures these neutral to positive price to cost spreads and maintain our margin safe. We don't feel particularly concerned about that.

Prices will be adapted progressively only if costs are definitively relaxed or under a process of moderation. Your final question is expected about the Vidroporto, Brazil. Let me say that we know well Vidroporto. We know well what we are doing there since years ago. We have been providing Vidroporto technical assistance for years. We have been involved in the process of the corporate process of this company since years. I will say that our destiny is to be partners. The assets of Vidroporto are the type of assets we like, very well invested. Vidroporto is expanding capacity in one of its two sites, Vidroporto is today, by far, in our opinion, the most competitive player in Brazil, one of the most competitive players in the Latin America, the glass market, okay.

What we are seeing today as minority stakeholders is that all stakeholders around Vidroporto welcome us as potential future owners, from shareholders to management, staff, customers, governments. Probably they are giving us credit to our business integrity and our long-term industrial intentions. We are taking part of Vidroporto's management as a minority shareholder, offering them our industrial expertise. I think that Vidroporto needs us industrially and financially, and actually the majority shareholder that represents the founder family and all the great industrial legacy created by them, has formally expressed his desire to sell to us, and we do have an agreement with them. Okay?

We transparently want to take full control of Vidroporto, but we feel comfortable with where we are today as minority shareholders, and we won't accelerate events and the times or events that we can't control. This will take the time needed. Let's be patient, okay? It shouldn't be a lot of time, okay? Let's remind us that even with a minority at stake, we are creating value for Vidrala. Let me please invite you to consider that this is only probably the beginning of the platform we are creating for future growth, okay? These months of wait are the wait we need, and will be probably soon forgotten in our history, in our study history.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, let me remind you, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Thank you. The next question comes from Manuel Lorente, from Bestinver. Please go ahead.

Manuel Lorente
Analyst, Banco Santander

Hi, good morning. Can you hear me?

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Yes, we can hear you, Manuel.

Manuel Lorente
Analyst, Banco Santander

My first question probably is on regional trends. I was wondering whether Raúl comments that in sustaining demand is specific to any specific region or something that you have seen across the board? Looks like U.K. is a little bit weaker than other regions, and even the exposure of U.K. to wine, whether that might be an issue of the performance in terms of demand. Do you see any difference between regions or between trends on wine and beer?

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Thank you very much, Manuel. well, I will say that demand is softer than initially expected, globally, everywhere in our regions of activity. I do think that our numbers are more or less aligned or even better than the numbers that some of our competitors are announcing. It seems that this is an evidence that okay, these softer demand conditions are more or less a global factor, okay? The differences that we are seeing by regions are probably more due to seasonal, structural differences. You know, that the first half of the year is less, is from a seasonal structural point of view, is less relevant in the UK market than in continental Europe. This is the only reason for this difference, in my opinion.

From now in the future, we should take into consideration that for a specific internal reasons, our volumes in the U.K. will perform progressively better than in the rest of our regions, because we will progressively capture more of the glass volumes that are coming from the acquisition of the filling facilities of The Park in Bristol. The rest probably will be more exposed to underlying demand conditions. The comparison basis, as we said before, is the last year comparison basis is quite different, second half with the first half, something that give us some confidence to reiterate, as we said before, that whatever is our sales volumes variation, second half, year-on-year will be the difference positively, positive or negative will be minimal.

Manuel Lorente
Analyst, Banco Santander

Okay. My second question is on working capital trends. There has been a EUR 57 million inflow in the other line. Can you give us some detail of what is that?

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Can you repeat the question, Manuel? Sorry.

Manuel Lorente
Analyst, Banco Santander

Yeah. There has been an inflow of EUR 57 million in your working capital in the others line. I was wondering...

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

In terms of working capital, I understand, Manuel, you're speaking about the numbers for the first half of the year. Okay? We still see working capital representing an outflow, okay? An outflow of slightly more than EUR 100 million. The movements in terms of working capital are mainly related to the effect of price increases and the effect of inventories that are progressively increasing. Okay? What we expect for the full year is this effect to normalize across the year, should be possibly a small cash outflow, but more in the range of flat to -EUR 20 million than the levels that we have seen for the last couple of 18, 24 months. Okay?

If you want to check that specific figure, we can talk after the call, because I don't know what figure are you referring to, again, we can clarify this after the call with any problem. Let me just add, Iñigo, that please keep in mind that we are reiterating our guidance of free cash flow for the full year, EUR 150 million. That means that most of these annual free cash flow will be concentrated in the second half of the year. We do feel confident with that means that the working capital won't be a significant cash outflow for the second half of the year. We really feel confident with this number.

Iñigo Mendieta
Head of Investor Relations, Vidrala

This implies, Manuel, that working capital trends should revert in the second half of the year.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Iñigo Egusquiza. Please go ahead.

Iñigo Egusquiza
Head of Iberian Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Hi, good morning, Raúl and Iñigo. You hear me?

Iñigo Mendieta
Head of Investor Relations, Vidrala

Yes, good morning, Iñigo.

Iñigo Egusquiza
Head of Iberian Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Raúl, on volumes, weakness, I don't know if you can give us some color by countries and segments. I'm sure you answered to the question, but sorry for asking you the same question again. This is the first question. The second question, I don't remember. Yes, okay. On pricing for 2024, I assume that negotiation will come after the summer, but I don't know what can we expect considering the cost deflation. What are your guess estimate for pricing in 2024, considering the information that you have today? Thank you.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

In terms of if, of demand conditions or sales volumes, it's very real that sales volumes variation is today negative. We said before that it's probably due to a number of factors. Last year, comparison is quite challenging, customers are probably stocking, and consumption levels are somewhat lower, probably following macroeconomic factors. If we do consider these three factors, the second half, the comparison base will be much softer, less challenging. That gives us some confidence that what we said before is that our year-on-year sales volumes variation for the second half will be less relevant. I don't know if it will be positive or negative, but won't be particularly significant.

As a good proof of this, as a good evidence of this, won't affect significantly our margins or sales in the guidance that we are reiterating today, okay? These softer demand conditions that we are seeing is probably a global factor. This is just what we are seeing from a regional perspective. In our different regions of activity, there is no particular differences, probably this is something that is more or less consistent with what some of our competitors are saying, okay? In the specific glass space or in other packaging spaces, okay? Looking at the future, looking at the next half or the next year even, we do feel that we are particularly well positioned to face potentially weaker demand context, as long as we are still capturing demand from the acquisition of The Park in the U.K.

Something that is not dependent on structural or underlying demand conditions. Second, please, keep in mind always that our steady, long-term steady targets were not based on top line growth, were based on cost competitiveness and capacity realignment. Our managers tend to be, in this year and next year, are to be based more on cost competitiveness than on top line volumes growth. We do feel confident with the situation we are today.

Iñigo Egusquiza
Head of Iberian Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Your second point, Iñigo, in terms of prices, what we are seeing is that we still see inflation in many factors of our cost structure. There is a reason to maintain our prices. Our prices will be fairly and transparently, progressively adapted, should our costs are consolidated at lower levels, with the focus, the priority of securing a positive for neutral price cost gap and maintaining our margins safe, okay.

If we try to foresee our prices in the second half, and particularly next year, following the amount or the percentage of our sales volumes that are dictated by price adjustment formulas and trying to predict what could happen with the rest of our volumes or customers that are dictated by the bilateral or direct negotiations, we see our prices progressively adapted downwards. This is unavoidable, but that will follow real cost relaxation paths, and that won't affect our margins in 2023, or probably in 2024, I would say.

Iñigo Egusquiza
Head of Iberian Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thank you, Raúl. Just a follow-up. Sorry. Any update on Vidroporto situation and in terms of calendar for the acquisition of the remaining stake in the Brazilian company? Thank you.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Well, thank you. Thank you, Iñigo. Well, there is nothing new, nothing officially new, okay. We do have an agreement to acquire the remaining stake in Vidroporto. We are, with the case of Vidroporto, that we are actively acting, providing, technical, industrial assistance to Vidroporto. We are happy with our position as minority shareholders. We are creating value. We do have an agreement to acquire the remainder stake, but that won't be materialized deliberately, till some legal limitations that block the sale of this majority stake owned by a family vehicle are solved, okay. We don't control the events, we don't control the timing. Shouldn't take much time from this, okay.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Daniel Suárez from CaixaBank. Please go ahead.

Daniel Suárez
IT Project Manager, Caixabank

Hi, Raúl, can you hear me? Raúl, you?

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Yes, we can hear you, Daniel Suárez .

Daniel Suárez
IT Project Manager, Caixabank

You said, I think in the email you were explaining, can you explain again for this quarter the breakdown between prices, volumes, and how The Park has been provided? Also, I think Raúl was mentioning the evolution of price expectation the second half in 2024. Also regarding margins we should expect for 2024 if prices fall. Do we expect a fall in the margins or should the priority for the company will be maintaining the margins and prices will adapt to that? Probably you have answered the question, but my line has fallen several times, so if you could clarify on that.

Iñigo Mendieta
Head of Investor Relations, Vidrala

No problem, Daniel Suárez . Thank you for your questions. Just clarifying volume and price performance in the second quarter and in the first half, okay? Volumes in the second quarter were down -6%. The Park contributed 2% positive, and prices were in the range of 17%. I think the rest is currency effect. For the first half, these numbers are -5% in terms of volumes. Again, +2% in terms of perimeter contribution of The Park, and prices in the range of 27%, okay? The rest, again, currency effect.

Daniel Suárez
IT Project Manager, Caixabank

Okay.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Thank you. Daniel Suárez , regarding prices and margins for 2024, well, as you can understand, it's probably too soon to have the needed visibility. In terms of prices, the moment of renegotiation will start after the summer, but we do have our reference, and this reference is the amount of our sales volumes that are dictated by long-term supplier agreements and price adjustment formulas. The result of a price, typical price adjustment formula calculated today for 2024, is giving us confidence of capturing a positive price to cost spread in 2024. Please let me highlight that, due to our deliberate energy hedging policy, we are capturing most of the energy market relaxation that we are seeing so far.

That means that our margins, we do consider our margins safe in 2024, okay? It will probably more, now the focus will be more to put on future organic demand conditions in 2024 and beyond. Let me finalize and big point that, hopefully, the business in 2024 at a group perspective is different than what it is today, following our pending corporate actions.

Daniel Suárez
IT Project Manager, Caixabank

Perfect. Thank you, Iñigo. Thank you, Raúl.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Luis. Please go ahead.

Luis de Toledo
Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Hello, can you hear me?

Iñigo Mendieta
Head of Investor Relations, Vidrala

Yes, good morning, Luis.

Luis de Toledo
Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay, good morning. My final question from my side, it's regarding the evolution of The Park in terms of results. I mean, we've we know that I mean, volumes have not been strong, and that you predict an improvement in the second half, and you expect also to start more synergies. Do you still believe I mean, six months into the acquisition, if you could provide an overview of and confirm if there's been any issue with profitability that you didn't expect, and you're still targeting EBIT margins above 20%? Thank you.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Thank you, Luis. There is a big strategic rationale for us in the acquisition of The Park, okay. This is by far the largest wine bottling facility in operation in the British market. That means that we are buying a customer, we are capturing demand in a moment where demand is softer than initially expected, so the timing is particularly efficient for us, and that give us a comfort of our demand conditions in the U.K. in 2024 and beyond. The profitability of The Park is not only the profitability that we are to obtain in The Park from an individual or a standalone point of view, filling wine, it's also a matter of the profitability that we are to obtain supplying glass to our filling facilities in The Park in Bristol. Okay.

All in all, we do feel confident with the acquisition we made. That means that the results of our business plans are exceeding our previous expectations, okay? Luckily or unluckily, that won't be material for our profits on a group perspective, but that will be quite relevant for our business at an individual perspective or for our British business or for Encirc particularly, okay? If you ask us of further details, let's say that in the future we expect to obtain, including glass volumes, EBITDA of more than EUR 15 million. EBITDA after leases in The Park, after an acquisition that had a value of EUR 35 million, as you probably remember. Just to give you a reference that we are making profits, okay?

Luis de Toledo
Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions. Dear speakers, back to you.

Iñigo Mendieta
Head of Investor Relations, Vidrala

Okay, we were taking a look also at questions through the webcast. We received several questions from one person, and I think that all that questions have been answered throughout the call, okay? If there is something still missing, please do not hesitate to contact us after this call. Just to finalize, thank you, all of you, for the time that you have dedicated to us. Just remind you that we remain at your complete disposal for further questions, and also remind you that there will be the recording of this webcast will be available on our website in a couple of minutes, hours. Okay? Thank you very much, Javi.

Raúl Gómez
CFO, Vidrala

Thank you very much. We all know that we do probably have a busy days ahead. Have a good summer after this, and please keep on eating and drinking on glass. Good for you. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.

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