Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the NCC Limited Q1 FY26 Earnings Conference Call hosted by JM Financial Institutional Securities Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Vaibhav Shah. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
On behalf of JM Financial, I welcome everybody to the Q1 FY26 Earnings Conference Call of NCC Limited. We have on the management today, Sri RS Raju, Director of Projects, Sri Sanjay Pusarla, Executive Vice President, Finance and Accounts, and Sri Neeraj Sharma, Head of Strategy and Investor Relations. Now, I hand over the call to the management for their opening remarks, and then we can have the Q&A session. Over to you, sir.
Thank you very much, Vaibhav. Good morning, everyone. This is Neeraj. At the very outset, I thank each of you for taking time to attend this interactive meeting. I have with me my colleagues, Mr. RS Raju, Director of Projects, and Mr. Sanjay Pusarla, CFO. Yesterday, we have declared our unaudited financial results for the first quarter of the financial year, FY26. Hope you had an opportunity to download and study the results and investors' presentation uploaded on our website and shared with the stock exchanges. Before I begin this interactive meeting, I will read a brief disclaimer. You may read the detailed disclaimer in our investors' presentation. The presentation may contain certain forward-looking statements concerning NCC's future business prospects and business profitability, which are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, and the actual results could materially differ from those in such forward-looking statements.
This interaction is broadly divided into three parts. In the first part, I will briefly talk about the business environment and the prospects for our company. In the second part, CFO will give a brief about the financial performance of the company for the first quarter of the financial year. In the third part, we will attempt to answer all your questions and clarifications. As you are aware, we are sitting at a strong order book of INR 70,087 crore, and in the first quarter of FY26, we have booked orders worth INR 3,658 crore. If we take into account all the projects back till today, this value is INR 6,719 crore, which is about 31% of the lower band of the guidance shared with the state.
In the first quarter of FY26, the company has reported a turnover of INR 4,430 crore as against INR 4,747 crore in the corresponding quarter of the previous year. The EBITDA margin is 9% on a standalone basis, which is in line with our guidance for the current financial year. For FY26, we are seeing a healthy prospective pipeline of projects of about INR 2.5 lakh crore. In our buildings and transportation division, we continue to see good traction and a healthy pipeline of projects. We have an order book of INR 23,577 crore, which is about 34% of our total order book in buildings, and INR 17,957 crore, which is about 26% of our total order book in the transportation division. In our electrical T&D division, the order book is INR 15,737 crore as of end of June, which is about 22% of our order book.
The order book in the irrigation division is ₹3,863 crore as of end June, which is 6% of our order book. Our water division has an order book of ₹4,215 crore, which is about 6% of our total order book. The order book of the mining division is ₹4,733 crore as of end of June, which is 7% of our order book. Now, I will hand over to CFO with a request to cover the detailed financial performance of the company.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. This is Sanjay Pusarla, CFO of NCC Limited. I am pleased to announce the financial results of Q1 of FY26 of NCC Limited. My announcement will cover order book revenue, profitability, debt movement, and some of the important balance sheet items in the same order. So, coming to the order book, our order book, you know that it stands at INR 71,568 crore at the beginning of the year, and we secured orders of INR 3,658 crore in the first quarter. After eliminating the execution, we are standing at an order book of INR 70,087 crore as at the end of June. Coming to the revenue, first, I will cover on the standalone.
Turnover reported in Q1 FY26 is INR 4,430 crore against a turnover of INR 4,747 crore in the corresponding quarter of the previous year, which is almost like 7% lower than what we reported in the same quarter of the last year. At consolidated, the turnover reported is INR 5,208 crore as against turnover of INR 5,558 crore in the corresponding quarter of the previous year, which is about 6% lower. Coming to profitability, at standalone level, we achieved an EBITDA of 9.02% per Q1 as against 9.33% of the corresponding quarter of the previous year, which is in line with the indications given to the market. PBT is 5.44%, and PAT is at 4.29% in the current quarter that is ending June 26 as against PBT of 5.63% and PAT of 4.3% of the corresponding quarter of the last year.
At consolidated level, we achieved an EBITDA of 8.81% and PBT of 5.15% and PAT of 3.69% in the current quarter as against EBITDA of 8.65%, PBT of 5.39%, and PAT of 3.78% reported in the last year. Coming to the debt movement, the debt at the beginning of the year stands at INR 1,484 crore, and net debt after cash and cash equivalent is INR 695 crore. At the end of Q1 26, it is standing at INR 1,852 crore and net debt of INR 1,497 crore. At the end of Q1 25, FY25, that is the corresponding period of the last year, the same is at INR 1,820 crore, and net debt is INR 1,680 crore. There is an increase in debt by INR 368 crore compared to March.
The debt to equity ratio stands at 0.21 at the end of the quarter one of FY26 as against 0.26 at the end of quarter one of FY25. The same is at 0.20 at the end of March 2025. Coming to the working capital. So, working capital, I will be covering excluding cash and margin money deposits. So, at the end of Q1 FY26, it stands at INR 5,314 crore, which is 30% of the turnover. And in terms of number of days, it is 102 days. So, coming to the debtors' receivables position, debtors outstanding at the end of Q1 has increased from INR 3,098 crore to INR 3,096 crore. And the number of days has also increased from 65 to 77 days in the current quarter. And 85 days, it was 85 days for the corresponding quarter of the previous year.
Coming to the unbilled revenue, unbilled revenue stands at INR 6,442 crore, which is 37% of the revenue as against INR 5,937 crore, which is 31% at Q4. That is March 2025. Retention money stands at INR 2,008 crore, which is 11% per Q1 as against INR 1,870 crore, which is 10% at Q4. That is end of March 2025. Coming to the mobilization advances, mobilization advances stands at INR 2,944 crore as at the end of June 2025 as against INR 2,098 crore as of March 2025, increased by INR 846 crore. Of these mobilization advances, interest-bearing advances are 62%, and average interest comes to around 9.24%. Interest-bearing advances decreased from 79% to 62% during this quarter. Coming to the cash and cash equivalents, cash and cash equivalents are INR 355 crore as at the end of June 2025 against INR 789 crore at the end of March 2025.
Same is the case with margin money deposits, INR 671 crore as at the end of June 25 and INR 639 crore at March 25. Coming to the CapEx, we have budgeted a CapEx of INR 750 crore for the regular projects against which we have spent INR 92 crore in the quarter one of FY26. So, investor-related ratios, ROC stands at 12.62 as against 14.61 at the end of February sorry, at March 25. Return on net worth against PBT is 13.14% as against 14.23%. EPS stands at 3.03 as at the end of quarter one of FY26 as against 3.2 in Q1 of FY25. With this, I conclude the presentation on the financial numbers. Thank you all.
Mr. Vaibhav.
Mr. Vaibhav?
We can take questions now.
Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Shravan Shah from Dolat Capital. Please proceed.
Thank you, sir. Sir, first on the guidance front, so this quarter, 7.1% revenue degrowth, and we were looking at 10% growth for FY26. So, for balance three quarters, the ask rate is 15.5% odd. So, what's the revised guidance? And in terms of margin also, will it be a kind of a lower end of 9%, or still we can have a 9.25%?
Yeah. Coming to the guidance, so I think you are aware that whatever orders we have received, we have received at the end of March, major orders. Okay? And generally, what happens when the new orders are received, you need to mobilize the site. You need to have the workfront availability. The designs and drawing stages, clearances, everything will be there. They are all in place now. Probably by end of September or September onwards, the new works will also start producing the results now. They will have their revenue. We expect to maintain the guidance in the coming quarters. Probably in the quarter three and quarter four, you will be looking at numbers, achieving these numbers.
Okay. Great. And margin, will it be a 9% or 9.25%? Is also possible?
It's 9%. Definitely, we are expecting that we will be reaching that 9%, will be maintaining and sustaining that level, and there is a possibility once the growth is there in the revenue, there is a possibility of adding some more basis points.
Okay. And just a clarification, though, in terms of order inflow, we have 22,000-25,000 odd crore, and till now, we have received 6,719 odd crore. So, the L1 status, if you can help us currently, how much value of projects are L1? And including this L1, are we looking at total 22,000-25,000 odd crore kind of order inflow for this year?
Yeah. Vaibhavji, the L1 value would be between INR 5,000-6,000 crore. And as we speak, we reiterate that we are quite convinced that we should be able to achieve the guidance that we have shared with the state. And the number that you quoted, 6,700-odd number, which is already about 30% of the lower band of the guidance that we have shared with the state. So, we are reasonably confident of achieving that target.
Okay. Got it. And lastly, in terms of the finance costs, sir, last time we said it would be a 3%-4%, can be higher. So, that number is likely to remain the same?
It's likely to remain same, and probably we are also having discussions with the bankers that are also exploring some alternative means of finance also, alternative products. It may be a little bit of lower side when compared to the previous year. Yeah.
Lastly, sir, two, three data points on balance sheet, trade payable, inventory, loans, and so total investment in subsidiaries and associates. And also, if you can break it up in loans and investment.
One second. Investment is INR 1,052 crore. Inventories is INR 1,476 crore. These two numbers and coming to the.
1,400.
Sorry.
Okay. 472. Okay. 1,472. Yeah. Trade payables, sir?
Trade payables is INR 6,062 crore.
6,062.
Yeah.
Okay. Okay. Got it, sir. Thank you and all the best.
Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mohit Kumar from ICICI Securities. Please proceed.
Hey. Good afternoon, and thanks for the opportunity.
Sorry to interrupt, Mr. Mohit.
Yeah.
I would request you to please come closer to the device.
Is it better now?
Yeah. Much better.
Yeah. Good afternoon, and thanks for the opportunity. So, my questions are related on execution. The first question is smart meters. We believe the smart meter has picked up in general in Maharashtra and UP. For us, are you seeing the pickup in execution, and has the execution normalized now?
Yes. In the case of smart meters for both Maharashtra projects, we have got the go-live, and the pace is picked up, and it's expected to be doing well in quarter two and quarter three.
Mr. Mohit, we have made a reasonably good progress on the installation of these smart meters. We have already installed close to three orders, close to 15 lakh meters.
My second question is on the Ken-Betwa River interlinking project. How is the execution going right now? Are we seeing more order inflow, more inquiry from the government side for the balance of the year?
Mr. Mohit, firstly, this Ken-Betwa project, this project is required to be executed in six years' time. So, for a project like this, there are a lot of processes involved, design, permissions in place. So, the project is currently at this stage. But we are hopeful that more projects should come for bidding for interlinking of rivers, but we have to wait and watch.
Are we seeing more tenders, sir, at this point of time in Maharashtra school as of now?
We expect to see because if we were to go by the different media reports, there are different inter-linking of river projects are being talked about in a few states. So, we have to just wait and watch how these developments finally pan out.
Yes. My last question, sir, on the order book. Are there slow-moving order books which are aged up compared to, let's say, last fiscal?
I mean, most of the projects that we have currently in our order book, Mr. Mohit, are moving at a good pace, and whenever we take a view that these projects are not moving, they are not expected to make progress, generally, we try to remove those projects from our order book. This is an exercise that we have done in the past, so as we speak, I mean, we have taken a view that these projects should make reasonably good progress in quarters to come.
Understood, sir. Thank you and all the best. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Parikshit Kandpal from HDFC Securities. Please proceed.
Yes, sir. My first question is, out of the total order book of INR 70,000 crores, what quantum of the order book the work has not started until now?
It was almost like whatever projects we have got in the month of March. All those projects are in the initial phase of designing and getting clearances and also having the work available for workfront availability, so those are the projects which are taking up now, and there are no projects which have been stalled in order book.
So, if you can quantify, I mean.
Parikshit, I would like to answer that a little different. In the FY25, we have bagged projects about close to INR 33,000 crore. The projects that we have bagged in the month of March, they are expected to take a few more months to really get started. Whenever we bag a project, there is a process involved, the taking over the site, mobilization, completing the documentation, having all the ROWs in place. It will take some time for the projects that we have recently bagged. Otherwise, all the projects that we have in our book are making good progress.
So, what will be the order inflow in March, sir?
It would be about a little less than 20,000 crore.
INR 20,000 crore was bagged in March. That is where the work will start by second half of this financial year.
Right. You are right. Depending on the site, depending on the I mean, different sites will have different conditions. But by and large, we could say that.
Okay. Got it. Second question is on the JJMs. So, what's the progress on JJM, and what are the dues currently outstanding in revenue for Q1 and order book?
As far as the JJM are concerned, the total order book is about INR 16,000 crores. Out of that, we have already executed about INR 12,000 crores. INR 4,000 crores is the balance order book that need to be executed. And this year, also, we are expecting to execute a major portion of that. And coming to the receivables, it was somewhere around how much? One second. I'll just give you the receivables numbers.
Okay. And just another question on this Versova NCC Urban has won a redevelopment project of 0.4 million sq ft. So, this is under the listed entity, right? And if yes, then what is the plan for real estate now beyond the current land passes? How are you looking at this business?
Could you please repeat your question?
Sir, NCC Urban has won a redevelopment mandate for 0.4 million sq ft in Versova and Mumbai. So, I just wanted to check, is this the part of the listed entity? And if yes, then what are the plans for the real estate development in the listed entity beyond the current land banks?
For our real estate business, we have a subsidiary company called NCC Urban, and this company has bagged that project, the project that you are talking about.
Right. Yeah. That I understand, sir. But I was asking, are we looking at more projects like this development within NCC? So, that was my question. So, how are you looking at the real estate development now from here on?
It was not at the NCC level. It was at the NCC Urban level only, and they are looking for these kind of projects also in the near future.
But this will be part of the listed entity, right?
This is a subsidiary company of the listed entity, the parent company, listed entities NCC Limited. Our subsidiary company's name is NCC Urban. That company is not listed. It's an unlisted entity. But it's a subsidiary company of the parent company, listed company NCC Limited.
Okay. That I understand, sir. But I'm seeing the revenues and the profit will accrue to the listed entity NCC, the parent holdco company, right?
In the consol, it will come.
Yeah. Yeah. So, as a business, so I was asking, as a strategy, how is the parent now if the business is done under subsidiary, the capital requirement and everything, as we have been supporting our entities in the past. So, I wanted to know, how are you looking at this business? And outside our existing land parcels, how are you looking at the real estate opportunity from mid to long term? So, what is our strategy there? Hello? Hello. Can you hear me?
Yeah. Yeah. If you could repeat your question, Mr. Parikshit. You are asking about the long-term opportunity for this kind of see, this unlisted subsidiary company of NCC. They are always in lookout for all kinds of opportunities, including redevelopment projects. As and when they are able to identify a good project, they will evaluate and then decide the next course of action.
Okay. Sure, sir. And just last, that JJM, the receivables.
Yeah. It was around 300 crores is the receivables. 286, precisely. Yeah.
Okay. So, that comes down to.
SWSM. SWSM projects. Yeah.
Okay, sir. Thank you, sir. Those were my questions.
All right. No more.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nishit Jain, from S&G Investments. Please proceed.
Good morning, everyone. I would like to know regarding your projects in MMR region. So, if I'm not wrong, some two BMC projects companies executing in JV with J. Kumar, right?
You are talking about GMLR project, Mr. Jain?
Yeah. One is GMLR, and I guess another one is Versova-Dahisar Coastal Road also, right?
[crosstalk] Yes. VDCR. Right.
That's right.
So, have we received the clearances, and is the on-ground work started in this?
As far as the GMLR tunnel project is concerned, we have received all the clearances. Only, we are just waiting for the tree-cutting permissions, which is expected very shortly. Once it comes, then the project progress will also happen. And whatever equipment that is required for this project is also reaching India, which is actually an imported equipment, which is coming from outside. It is reaching now. And as far as VDCR is concerned, we are just waiting for some clearances to come. Once that comes, that project also will take off. And as far as GMLR is concerned, we already started all the approach roads and everything, and also the casting yard also for the purpose of tunnel lining.
Okay. In this follow-up, so for this Versova Dahisar project, so for that, there will be a requirement of casting yard? And if yes, is it finalized?
No. No. It is not for Versova-Dahisar Coastal Road. It is for the tunnel project, GMLR tunnel project.
So, for the Versova Dahisar, you won't require any casting yard, is it like that?
No. No. There, we don't require anything.
Okay, and second thing is on the Virar-Alibag MSRDC project. I think now they are going to do it on BOT model, so company will be participating in this BOT model tenders?
Which project you were mentioning about?
Virar-Alibag multi-modal, which they have canceled, and now they will issue in BOT model, I think so.
We will evaluate. We'll evaluate. But our focus always is on EPC kind of projects. But whenever these projects come up for bidding, we will evaluate and then decide. It is really premature to really commit whether we will participate or not. It would depend on the project, the various terms and conditions, and our decision would depend on that.
Okay. The only idea was, does the company participate in the BOT model? That is what was.
Generally, I think I have already answered that question. Generally, our focus currently is on the EPC kind of projects.
Okay. That will be all. Thank you.
Thank you. Thanks.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Prithvi Raj from Unifi Capital. Please proceed.
Yeah. Hi. I just have a couple of questions on balance sheet. We saw an increase in the working capital and debt numbers on a sequential basis. Could you please explain this? Are we facing any delays with respect to payments, or has the situation improved? Could you throw some color on this?
Generally, the debt position at the end of the first quarter will be a little higher when compared to your March. Okay? So, the reason being, in the end of the year, as we more concentrate on the government projects, the government projects, generally, they tend to release all the payments because of the expiry of their budgets and other things. So, you have your debt position will be low at the end of year-end. At the end of the first quarter, the debt position, I think, were comparatively better than what we were there in the last year.
Understood.
We are not expecting any delay in the receivables, except for a few projects where the central funds are expected to be released sooner.
Okay. And on the Maharashtra, I think last year, you had a certain delay with respect to execution. Has the things improved after the elections? Now, is Maharashtra execution and payments seems to be normal?
Yes. Definitely. Because after the elections, we even started getting all the clearances. We got the go-live for all the smart meter projects, and we started executing the projects, and the payments are also flowing in now.
How should we look at the debt number by the end of the year? Do you have any number saying by March 2026, you would like to reach certain level?
Mr. Prithvi Raj, we do not really give any guidance for the debt number. I think we have shared three sets of guidance numbers for the current financial year, FY26, which you already know. So, we really don't share any specific number for the debt.
Yeah. So, one final question on the execution front. I mean, in addition to high bids last year, has there been anything else that impacted the execution, specifically in this quarter, early monsoon, something of that sort?
This quarter, the execution impact is not on that account. Actually, the execution impacted in certain category of projects like SWSM projects. As you know, there were delays in the release of payment from this government. So, that is the reason there was a dip in the turnover. Otherwise, there is no other impact. We expect these things will also set in right in the quarter too. Expect that we'll be meeting the market expectations as the guidance given by us.
Thank you. That's all from my side.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vaibhav Shah from JM Financial. Please proceed.
Sir, how much have you invested in the smart meter projects as equity?
As of now, it is INR 70 crores.
What would be the total investment and the time period?
It is like INR 430 crore is the total equity that is required over a period of one and a half years, and this year, it is expected that we may have to invest another INR 150-200 crore.
Incrementally?
Yeah.
Okay, and any thoughts on bringing some partner? We were earlier looking for a partner to share the equity burden, so any thoughts on that?
Still, we have not shelved that proposal. We are still active on that. And we are also looking for someone who will come to us at our terms. If somebody is coming up, then definitely, we will look for that opportunity.
But otherwise, we are open to put the entire equity.
Obviously.
Yeah. Okay. Sir, secondly, on the Vizag deal, so there was an outstanding loan of INR 375 crores. So, what is our plan to recover that, and how much have you recovered in this year so far?
This year, we have not recovered anything. Actually, there was launching of the project happened by them in the current year. There was little restructure being done. Starting September 25, they will start releasing the funds. This year, they have not released anything so far. End of September, they will start releasing as per the agreed schedule.
You are targeting INR 120 crores in 2026. Will you maintain the target?
Yes. That was the agreed target with them.
Okay. Sir, secondly, on the AP side, so what would be the outstanding receivables?
On the AP capital city, the outstanding is INR 104 crores as of now, and we started getting some money from there, and we are expecting this money also to get realized by end of second quarter.
Sir, in the running projects?
Running projects, it is good. Absolutely no problem. Even the new projects which have been awarded to us in the last quarter, they have already started mobilizing, and we have already started working on those projects. And initial bills were also raised in some of the projects. Because all the projects were not taken off immediately. Some projects have taken off, and we started billing them, and we are getting the money.
What would be the amounts, sir, outstanding from the running projects?
New projects, as of now, there is no outstanding. Whatever bills that have been there, those have been paid off.
Okay, and sir, lastly, what would be the share of AP in the consolidated order book?
Around 13%-14%. Yes. It will be around 13% to 14%.
Okay, and sir, lastly, what would be the CapEx for FY26?
FY26, INR 750 crores we have put the CapEx for the normal projects. Out of that, INR 92 crores we have already procured in quarter one.
Okay. Sir, one clarification. You mentioned that the GMLR receivables is around INR 286 crores. So, I got misspoken.
Specifically.
As of March, it was around INR 1,500 crores, right?
No. That is including all your unbilled revenue also, and other JJM projects also in addition to SWSM.
Okay. So, the number corresponding to March, INR 1,500 crores would be what number right now?
16,1700. It will be 1700.
Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir. Those are my questions.
Thank you. Next question is from the line of Deepak Poddar from Sapphire Capital. Please proceed.
Yeah. I'm audible, sir?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Poddar, you are audible.
Yeah. Thank you very much, sir, for this opportunity. Sir, just wanted to understand this first quarter, our net debt was around INR 1,500 crores, right?
Yeah. Yes. Yes.
Okay. What is the target for FY26 end? I mean, in the past, we had some target of debt reduction. So, now the debt has increased. So, what sort of target we can have for FY26 end debt levels at the gross level maybe?
Mr. Poddar, we don't really share any target for the debt, really. We expect that we may end up at around INR 1,400 to 1,500 crores.
14 to 1,500 crores. Okay. Similar to what we had at the end of FY25.
Yes. Yes.
Interest cost also, I mean, do you expect the interest cost on a YoY basis because debt levels have increased right now to kind of remain flattish or we can see some increase?
No. It was similarly like last year only. There will not be any significant change in that.
Okay. Okay. And just, I mean, if I have to see, I mean, last four, five quarters, I mean, consistently, we have seen a degrowth on a YOI basis in terms of our quarterly revenue. So, and we do have a very healthy, strong order book. So, just wanted to understand where we are. I mean, we are finding it difficult to grow our business. I mean, is it the execution part? So, some understanding on that would be very helpful, sir. Yeah.
Yeah. It is like this. If you see the year 24, 25, FY23, 24, the growth rate was very high. If you see that, it was around 35% is the growth rate. Okay? And coming to 25 year, we have given, I think, a guidance of 15% at that point of time. And mid-term, we revised it to 10%. Okay? So, the actual growth that happened is around 5%. Okay? And with the projects which have come in the last year, okay, those have come in the latter part of the year. Because in the beginning of the year, because of the political, these elections and other things, there was no order book that was building up in the beginning of the year. The order book was built only at the end of the year.
That is the reason you have a comparatively, if you compare with the previous years, there is a reduction in quarter on quarter. But these orders which have come in the month of February and March of this current year, they will result in producing your revenues maybe from the quarter two ending or quarter three of the current year.
Okay. I understood. So, in the second quarter also, we expect.
One more question of Mr. Deepak. I would request you to join back the queue as there are several participants waiting for their turn.
Thank you so much.
Yes. Thank you so much. We take the next question from the line of Bhavin Modi from Anand Rathi. Please proceed.
Hi, sir. Thank you for giving the opportunity. So, when I was looking into the execution part, so I see the execution is being lagged from the transportation business and from the electrical business. So, sir, what is the reason for that? Why is such low execution? So, the conversion is around 4%-5% of the opening order book of this quarter.
See, Mr. Modi, about this T&D, I think we are on record. We have already shared in the previous con calls that execution got little impacted in the state of Maharashtra for rolling out these smart meter projects. So, whenever a delay of this kind takes place, naturally, it will have some implication on the project progress. But we are quite hopeful. As we have shared in this call earlier, we have the go-live and we are making reasonably good progress for this electrical T&D.
Okay. And sir, second question, can we expect a good amount of execution from our BSNL order which we won in the first quarter? First quarter of the last financial year. And can we also expect a good amount of execution for GMLR projects? So, can we expect execution to ramp up because of these two major orders?
So, as far as the BSNL is concerned, now that groundwork is happening, that design clearances approvals are in place, probably from Q3 onwards, we'll start billing and executing. And by end of the year, maybe Q4, it will pick up. As far as the GMLR is concerned, the preparations are happening for launching these TBMs. That is a very complex job. Once the TBMs are launched, then only the increase in the revenue is expected. Till such time, you will have approach roads, you will have box tunnels, cut and cover tunnels. All these things, they will be doing it. So, you will not expect higher revenue in respect of GMLR now until the TBM starts working.
Okay, sir. Thank you, sir. And last question, sir, how do you see the impact of monsoon till date, how have you seen the execution impact?
Generally, the execution in Q2, because of the monsoon, we also even expect to do moderately. So, that is going to be there.
Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir.
Welcome.
Thank you. Before we proceed with the next question, ladies and gentlemen, in order to ensure that the management is able to address questions from all participants, please limit your questions to two per participant. The next question is from the line of Vishal Periwal from Antique Stock Broking. Please proceed.
Yes, sir. Thanks for the opportunity. Sir, in terms of order book, can you give some color in terms of state-wise, top five six states and also central state, how the fit is for us?
Mr. Periwal, these projects have a very good mix from all the leading states, so all the large states that are rolling out these infrastructure projects, we have a very good mix from all these states.
Okay. When we win central, state, private, will that be handy, sir, with you?
Yeah. Out of the order book, you have a composition of like 20% is from the central government, about 15% from the state government, and other entities like PSU state government entities, ADB, AIIB, banks, and all. That's about 60%-65%.
Okay. So, private is clubbed in that last part. Is that what it is?
Yeah. Private is not very substantial. It is somewhere around 5%.
Okay. And maybe one last thing. So, order inflow, you mentioned number of 6,000 plus. So, that is till July, 6,700.
Yeah. Yeah. That's an L1 number, Mr. Periwal. Yeah.
No, you mentioned two things, sir.
The order inflows, right, till July. This is 6,719 crores.
Okay. Okay. Okay.
6,719 crores.
Got it. Thanks for the clarification, sir. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vasudev from Nuvama. Please proceed.
Yeah. Thank you for the opportunity, sir. Are we seeing any slowdown in the state government payments from any state?
Right now, not. We are expecting the payments to come. As usual, as we discussed earlier also, the payments from Telangana government was a little slower. But otherwise, rest of the places we are not facing any serious issues.
Okay. And sir, just one data-related question. We see at cash and cash equivalents, last quarter end was about INR 1,300 crores. So, can you just give a like-to-like number for this quarter as well?
Yeah. Sir, it is cash and cash equivalents, including the deposits, margin money deposits. As at the end of March, no. No, as at the end of March, we'll give.
This one and this one, you are talking about the cash equivalents.
Cash and cash equivalents, you want only pure cash and cash equivalents, you want including margin money deposits. If it is including margin money deposits, as at the end of June 2025, it is INR 826 crores. As at the end of March, it is somewhere around INR 1,400 crores.
Okay. And sir, this last one, how much investment are we anticipating in the smart meter project?
Sir, the total investment required is INR 430 crores. We have answered this question earlier. About INR 150 crores, we need to invest more in the current year.
Okay. Sure. So, that's it from my side. Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Lokesh Kashikar from SMIFS Institutional Equities. Please proceed.
Yeah. Hi. So, good afternoon. Most of the questions have been answered. Just a question from my side. What is the labor situation for us considering that we are sitting on one of the highest order book positions? And also, there has been the impact in Q1 as well, considering that there has been a marriage season and festivals also there. So, that's the question from my side.
Marriage season and festival season, it is always factored. Okay? It is there every year. So, that is always factored. But as far as the leverage concerned, as you said, it is very, very important for our industry. And as you know, that everywhere, the infrastructure boom is there and a lot of scarcity is there. But still, we are managing and trying to retain the people.
But do you see that our order book position of around 70,000 crores, we have enough laborers to ramp up the execution phase for it?
We do not see any problem in terms of availability of the labor for executing these projects. The fact of the matter is the situation keeps changing from city to city, place to place. There would be places in which it is not as challenging as in some cities. But we are able to manage. There are various things that we are trying to do on the ground to make sure that people are comfortable, labor force is able to come, do their job, to take care of their requirements. So, we are trying to do all these things on the ground so that we are able to execute the orders that we already have in our hand.
Okay. That's the question from my side. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Jainam Jain from ICICI Securities. Please proceed.
Thank you for the opportunity. Sir, my first question is we have been hearing from the tiers that there has been a labor shortage issue in the construction space, especially within the building segment. Whereas we faced a 13% decline in labor expenses. Can you throw some light on that part?
I think we have already answered that question. This is a reality. This is a reality. But just saying that this is a challenge doesn't improve the situation. So, as I have already shared in trying to answer a question previous to your question, the situation is not uniform. In some places, this would be more challenging than the other places. But we are a company that has been in this business for more than 47 years. So, we have what it takes to make sure that the labor force is available for these sites. But you are absolutely right when you make this observation that this is a systemic issue and this is a challenge.
Okay. Sir, sir, the way we have bagged good orders from AP Capital Project, are we eyeing any similar good opportunity which we expect to look at in our business?
You're not audible. Could you speak a bit louder, please?
Hello. I'm audible right now?
Yeah. Yeah.
Sir, the way we have bagged good orders from AP Capital Project, are we eyeing any similar good opportunity which we expect to be tendered out in this call?
That is very difficult to say. What do you mean by similar projects like capital city?
I mean projects with similar sizes of projects.
It depends. It depends. As and when if the real big projects come, we are always in lookout for interesting projects. But that's a new capital city that is getting constructed in Amaravati. So, but whenever similar projects come up for other places, we will definitely evaluate and then decide the next course of action.
Okay. Sir, and sir, have we started the execution of AP Capital Projects which we have received in last call, and when do we expect to?
Your voice is not very clear. At times you are audible, at times you are not.
Hello. I'm audible right now?
Yeah.
Sir, sir, have we started the execution of AP Capital Projects which we had received in FY25?
I already answered that question earlier, that the projects that we have bagged for the capital city, it is in the stage of design, engineering, the pre-development stage of the project. Once the project crosses these milestones, the construction would start.
So, sir, when do we expect that thing to happen? When do we expect the execution to start on a full space?
It is going to happen maybe in a couple of weeks. Already in some of the projects, we started billing also. Because it is not one single project. It is a composition of many packages. Okay? It is not one single project, the entire order. It is different packages and it is different projects. It is like building up roads, infrastructure, constructing drainage systems, and hostel buildings, and high court. There are several packages which have come in. So, each package is at a different stage. But some of the packages, we have already started working on them and we started even the initial billing also.
Okay. Sir, that answers my question. Thank you, sir.
Right.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Saket from Kapoor & Co. Please proceed.
Yeah. Namaskar, Neeraj ji and team. And thank you for this opportunity. Am I audible, sir?
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, sir. Namaskar.
Namaskar, sir. Sir, firstly, if you could just correct me here. Sir, some of the slides we have removed from our presentation for this quarter, especially about the coal mining aspect and the urban part. So, any particular reason why we chose to do so? And what is the update, firstly, from the contribution from our mining MDO work and what are the targets we have set out for ourselves for this year?
For mining, we have set a target of about 2,600 crores for the current year. And we have achieved about 720 crores, I think, in the first quarter. And we expect to reach the target whatever we have fixed for that. And there is no specific reason why we have taken off.
It's a pattern, Saket ji. Because as per the improvement quarter to quarter, we try to share what information that we think best describes our business in that quarter. So, that's the reason. There is no other reason.
Hello.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yes, sir. Sir, secondly, on the real estate part of the business and some inventories in terms of the real estate that is being held as inventory, what should we expect going ahead in terms of monetization of those assets?
It's like this. In the case of real estate, the inventory will become we can monetize only when the OC comes in, but as far as the order booking is concerned, there will be a payment, pre-sale booking will be there. The bookings are good. Only we are not able to show the orders because of the occupancy certificate because the revenue recognition under that particular standard calls for OC then only we can book the orders. We can book the revenue, so pre-sales are going on and they are at a good number. We expect them once the OCs are coming, we expect the revenue also to come into the books, and as of date, what we are seeing is that there is a delay in giving the clearances occupancy certificate, and there were a lot of procedures that have been coming in between.
Earlier, it was taking only three to four months. Now, it is taking four to six months for getting the OC.
What would be the number we can expect for this year, sir, in terms of the contribution to the top line and bottom line from this segment?
350 crores we are expecting.
It is there in the segmental results.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yes, sir. Sir, and lastly, on the GMLR part, you mentioned that the receivables have moved up to.
Yes, sir. Mr. Saket?
Only one clarification, ma'am.
Back to the queue. I understand. But there are several participants waiting.
Not an issue, ma'am. I will follow. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. The next question is from the.
Last question. This is the last question.
All right. The next question is from the line of Tejas Shah from Unique Stock. Please proceed.
Sir, how do you go about for order inflows? I think in infrastructure companies, the major is taking orders. Now, what is the order intake we are looking for this year or next year?
The order inflow guidance that we have shared with the street is a band INR 22,000-25,000 crores for FY26. For FY27, after the completion of this financial year, we will start working on the budget of FY27. And then we should be in a position to share that number with you.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Due to time constraints, we take this as the last question. And I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing.
Thank you very much for your time and questions. Hope we have been able to answer all your questions. Should you have any more questions, clarifications, you may get in touch with us at the email mentioned in the investors' presentation. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much.