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Q4 25/26

Apr 28, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Q4 FY 2026 results conference call of The Phoenix Mills Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Shishir Shrivastava. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Shishir Shrivastava
Vice Chairman, Phoenix Mills Limited

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. FY 2026 was a year of strong operating performance and an important transition year for The Phoenix Mills Limited. We delivered consolidated revenue of INR 4,423 crore and an EBITDA of INR 2,637 crore rupees, up 16% and 22% respectively, reflecting a healthy broad-based growth across our portfolio. Importantly, we delivered this performance without adding any new retail capacity during the year. This performance underscores the strength of our retail-led mixed-use platform. Retail consumption gained momentum in the second half of this financial year and continued to scale meaningfully during quarter four. Offices saw strong leasing momentum across newly delivered assets. Residential sales provided incremental cash flows, and hospitality remained resilient despite a challenging backdrop.

Underlying operating leverage improved across segments, and operating cash flows remained robust, supporting both growth investments and first tranche payment for the CPP stake acquisition in ISMDPL while maintaining disciplined leverage. Over the past year, we have also taken key steps to strengthen our growth trajectory for the long term, consolidating ownership in high-quality assets, progressing large under-construction developments, and building depth across leadership and operations. Our focus remains on ensuring that this platform continues to compound sustainably through disciplined capital allocation, strong governance, and consistent execution. With that context, I will now hand over to Rashmi, who will walk you through the retail performance and key drivers in more detail. Over to you, Rashmi.

Rashmi Sen
CEO, Phoenix Mills Limited

Thank you, Shishir, and good morning, everyone. Retail continues to be the core engine of Phoenix portfolio, and FY 2026 was an extraordinary year for the business. Leasing remained exceptionally strong. During FY 2026, we completed approximately 920 deals covering 3.2 million sq ft. We opened over 400 new stores across the portfolio in FY 2026. This includes several marquee brands like Apple, IKEA, Uniqlo, Bershka, Rolex, Golden Goose, Lego, Victoria's Secret, Onitsuka Tiger, flagship store of Lifestyle, Tanishq, AZORTE, The Game Palacio, and Pantaloons, among several others.

These launches have further strengthened the positioning of our malls as the preferred destination for leasing global and domestic brands. On the F&B front, we introduced an experience-led concept, Gourmet Village, at Phoenix Palladium, which is now being replicated across our portfolio, starting with PMC Bangalore and Phoenix Palassio. Rentals continue to grow steadily.

Retail rental income for the year grew to INR 2,157 crores, up 10% year-on-year, without any area addition in the portfolio during the year. Revenue share income also improved meaningfully, reflecting healthy tenant trading performance. At the asset level, Phoenix Palladium delivered INR 461 crores of rental income, growing 14% year-on-year. At both our Phoenix Marketcity Bangalore and Phoenix Marketcity Pune centers, over 3 lakh sq ft of area at each mall has undergone strategic repositioning. These churns and new deals will result in a strong double-digit rental growth in the upcoming year. Phoenix Palassio entered its fifth year of operations, triggering a renewal cycle which enabled us to achieve over 20% rental growth across 120 renewal and new deals. This uplift will flow through in the coming periods.

Our newer assets also continue to gain traction, with Phoenix Mall of Asia delivering 33% growth in rentals and Phoenix Mall of the Millennium delivering 22% growth in rentals in FY 2026. We maintained strong cost discipline during the year. We continue to keep a very close eye on expenses while ensuring the quality of customer experience across our assets is preserved. Renewable energy now supports a meaningful share of our retail energy needs, delivering tangible savings. At the same time, we transition to more targeted and smarter marketing campaigns, which has helped us optimize spends while continuing to drive strong customer engagement and footfalls. All such initiatives have translated into robust EBITDA growth. Retail EBITDA for FY 2026 was INR 2,246 crore, growing 12% year-on-year.

This improvement reflects both strong top-line income growth and operating leverage coming through from a disciplined cost management. Finally, consumption continues to be a clear outlier. Retail consumption reached an all-time high of INR 16,587 crores, growing 21% year-on-year, while Q4 consumption grew 31%, demonstrating strong momentum across the portfolio. From a category perspective, fashion and accessories, which contributes nearly 60% of our area, grew by 16% during the year. Cinema and entertainment delivered 22% growth, while jewelry and electronics grew by over 30%, reflecting both premiumization and healthy discretionary demand. What is equally important is the quality of that growth. Even as Q4 consumption moderated sequentially, retail rentals remains largely stable, and retail EBITDA was essentially flat quarter-on-quarter.

This reflects the structural protection of our lease model, and it is the same model that creates the runway for accelerated rental growth as leases reset over the next two-three years. On rentals, specifically, rental income grew 14% this year on an already strong base. The gap versus consumption growth reflects three factors. First, our MG plus revenue share lease structure is designed to protect downside and capture upside as consumption scales, which creates a natural lag in the near term. Second, newer assets like Mall of Asia and Mall of Millennium are still in their ramp-up phase and will converge over time. Third, seasonal consumption growth in Q4 was driven by categories such as jewelry and electronics, which are high volume categories that carry structurally lower revenue share ratios.

With 36%-50% of our portfolio area coming up for renewal over the next two-three years, the conversion of consumption growth into rental growth has a clear and near-term catalyst. As we look ahead, leasing transaction at our under-construction assets remains encouraging, with Phoenix Grand Victoria in Kolkata already at 79% leased and Phoenix Surat at 41% leased. Combined with upcoming expansions of existing assets and visibility of pipeline extended through 2030, we are well positioned for a sustained double-digit growth in retail earnings over the next phase. I will now hand the call over to Varun to walk you through the other business highlights. Thank you.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Thank you, Rashmi. I will now take you through the performance of our office business, followed by a brief update on hotels and our under-construction assets. Over the past two years, our office platform has undergone a meaningful transformation in both scale and quality. From a portfolio of approximately 2 million sq ft spread across Mumbai and Pune in FY 2024, we have now expanded to nearly 4.8 million sq ft today across four cities, Mumbai, Pune, Bangalore and Chennai, with three large Grade A developments that were delivered during 2025.

Each office asset is integrated within our destination retail-led campuses, offering occupiers access to a differentiated, amenity-rich environment that is increasingly valued by leading corporates. Alongside scale, we have remained focused on quality with all new developments having the best-in-class energy efficiency measures and are designed to support collaborative future-ready workplaces.

FY 2026 also marked a strong year for the office leasing execution. Gross leasing for the year stood at over 2.2 million sq ft, and our portfolio occupancy on this 4.8 million sq ft increased to 70%. Within this, our mature operational assets saw occupancy rise to 83%, up substantially from 67% at the start of the year. While the offices completed during 2025 saw leased occupancy ramping up to 62% from a very low base at the beginning of the year. This pace of absorption compares favorably with market benchmarks for newly developed Grade A office spaces. For the year, our operational office portfolio in Mumbai and Pune generated income of INR 213 crore, with EBITDA of about INR 141 crore, reflecting steady growth even as a significant portion of leasing occurred in newly operational assets.

As is typical in the office business, leasing activity leads income recognition with a time lag. With the leasing achieved during FY 2026 and the pipeline already in place, we now have clear visibility on income ramping up and overall occupancy progressing towards 90% over the next few quarters. We expect some meaningful step-up in rental income and EBITDA from FY 2027 onwards.

Turning briefly to hotels. FY 2026 was a year of resilience amid a more cautious macro environment. Hotel income grew 8% to INR 596 crores, while EBITDA increased significantly by 14% to INR 276 crores, reflecting strong operating discipline and the inherent quality and standing of our assets in their respective micro markets. The St. Regis Mumbai continued to perform, outperform the market, with EBITDA margins improving to 49% and average room rates in excess of INR 21,000, supported by strong occupancy, underscoring its premium positioning and pricing power.

Courtyard by Marriott Agra also remained resilient, sustaining occupancies in the high 70% and maintaining stable margins despite the softer ADR for the overall city. Rashmi spoke about Kolkata and Surat, and both of these assets are targeted for becoming operational during FY 2028. Let me also give you a quick update on our other developments across Thane, Coimbatore, and Chandigarh, where we have moved from approval stage into execution. At Thane, we have received the environmental clearance and other necessary approvals, and we have onboarded the excavation contractor, with excavation expected to commence at the site shortly. At Coimbatore, all requisite approvals are in place, and excavation at the site commenced from quarter four onwards. Similarly at Chandigarh, all requisite approvals have been obtained, and pre-construction works have already been initiated.

Across all three locations, we are following our established development discipline, wherein we secure all required approvals, finalize our design and cost frameworks, tender a significant part of the construction cost before we commence construction. This approach gives us confidence on timeline and visibility on cost, and also ensures quality of execution as these projects progress. With that, I will now hand the call over to Kailash, who will take you through our residential portfolio and overall financial performance.

Kailash Gupta
Group CFO, Phoenix Mills Limited

Thank you, Varun. Good morning, everyone. I'll take you through our resi performance and then briefly touch upon overall financial position and capital allocation. FY 2026 was a strong year for our resi business, both in terms of sales momentum and cash generation. It is important to note that we approach residential development with a clear strategic lens. It is not a capital-intensive growth engine, nor does it compete for capital with our annuity businesses. Instead, we use resi selectively as a cash-generating vertical, monetizing high-quality inventory in mature micro market. Gross resi booking for the year doubled to INR 471 crore, with collection closely tracking at INR 467 crore. Resi recognized during the year stood at INR 489 crore total sales.

This performance was driven primarily by our premium residential project in Bengaluru, Phoenix One Bangalore West and Kasavu, which continue to see healthy demand and pricing resilience for ready inventory, with average realization pricing around 28,000, 29,000 per sq ft. At a group level, FY 2026 reflects strong financial compounding. Consolidated revenue for the year grew at 16% to INR 4,423 crore, while EBITDA grew faster at INR 2,637 crore, up by 22%. Driven by operating leverage across retail, office and hotel, net profit after tax for the year stood at INR 1,557 crore, up by 20%. Operating free cash flow after working capital, tax and interest was at INR 2,140 crore, up by 23%.

FY 2026 was also a year of elevated capital deployment and investment in growth for our next phase. The most significant transition was the buyout of CPP Investments stake in ISML, which will result into full ownership of a high growth, high quality cash generation platform. Alongside this, we invested approximately INR 1,035 crore in construction and development across all the retail assets, retail and office assets, and a further INR 431 crore toward the land and development rights in existing projects. Despite the level of investment, the balance sheet remained firmly under control. Gross debt stands at INR 5,164 crore with a net debt of INR 3,160 crore.

Net debt to EBITDA ratio, which was 1.24% last year, has improved to 1.19x this year, even after factoring the ISML acquisition and peak construction CapEx. This reflects the strength of our operating cash flow and our disciplined approach to capital allocation. Well, as you look ahead, we remain focused on converting our scale into sustainable earnings and cash flow growth, funding development largely through internal accruals and maintaining a conservative balance sheet as we execute the next phase of expansion. With this, we are happy to open the floor for the question and answer.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question comes from the line of Puneet Gulati from HSBC. Please go ahead.

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC Bank

Yeah. Thank you so much, and congratulations on good performance. My first question is with respect to the upcoming malls in Kolkata, Surat, and also, you know, your residential project. Is it possible to get some sense of t imeline, what quarter for 2027 should we expect those?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Hi, Puneet. For Kolkata and Surat, we are expected to launch it during FY 2028. My bad. We would put it in the second half of FY 2028.

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC Bank

Okay. The residential in Kolkata?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Kolkata residential, Puneet, I think we are finalizing the design and the product mix in there and, you know, re-verifying the approvals. I think we will give you an update in the coming couple of quarters on the launch timeline for Kolkata residential.

Operator

Does that answer your question, Puneet?

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC Bank

Hello?

Operator

Yes, Puneet, please go ahead with your question.

Hello? Since there is no response from the participant, we would move to the next participant. That's Mohit Agrawal from IIFL. Please go ahead.

Mohit Agrawal
Analyst, IIFL

Yeah. Hi. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for the opportunity. My first question is on the consumption growth for fourth quarter. Can you share that ex of jewelry or let's say ex of non or low revenue share segments, what would be the consumption growth? Let's say the 30% reported number, what would that be ex of jewelry or non-rev share segments?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Sure, Mohit. If I take out jewelry and electronics, both of which have had very strong growth during FY 2026, but they are structurally, you know, lower as far as revenue share is concerned, then our quarter four consumption growth would come in at about 17%-18% for the rest of the portfolio. In fact, we believe that what you see in fashion or F&B or in cinema and entertainment, this has been the strongest set of, you know, sequential quarterly growth numbers that we have seen over the last three-four years in these categories.

Mohit Agrawal
Analyst, IIFL

Okay. As we move into FY 2027, how do you see this, you know, probably this jewelry and electronics growth kind of stabilizing and the gap between the, consumption growth and the rental growth on the reported basis, would that narrow or probably would this gap continue in FY 2027 as well?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Mohit, we have a lot of moving positive factors at play at this point in time. If I first talk about the portfolio, you will see the trading occupancy at Phoenix Marketcity, Pune and Bangalore going up substantially in the coming quarters. It's not just occupancy that's moving up, but also the kind of retailers and the impact that they will have on the trading densities, consumption and the overall rental growth.

We have already guided to a strong double-digit growth from these two mall portfolios that we should see during FY 2027. Further, you should see the stabilization of Phoenix Mall of the Millennium and Phoenix Mall of Asia, which have seen over a 10% increase in their occupancies during FY 2026. This should stabilize and start contributing to rent, so you get a stable base to compare the rents on.

Further, these are, you know, these two are the core set of malls that we have spoken about. Across the portfolio, we have a significant amount of lease expiries that are coming up, which gives us a great opportunity to renew good performing brands and also introduce new categories across malls like Phoenix Palassio and other malls where we have a number of expiries. Now, if you collectively take these three factors into consideration, we continue to remain positive as far as rental growth across our portfolio is concerned. You know, electronics and gold and jewelry, if they continue to grow well, you will see a strong momentum in consumption. Even if they moderate, I don't think it will have that material an impact on rental growth for FY 2027. Does that address your question, Mohit?

Mohit Agrawal
Analyst, IIFL

Yeah. Rental growth, irrespective of how the consumption number moves, this will continue to be, as Rashmi mentioned, mid- to high double-digit growth.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Yes. Yes, Mohit.

Mohit Agrawal
Analyst, IIFL

Okay. My second question is on, you know, your opening remarks on office portfolio. You mentioned that you are targeting 90% occupancy in the next few quarters. Now, clearly here, Bangalore is the big, you know, thing that can move. It is about 33% lease. What is the outlook on that asset, Bangalore, office? And secondly, on your Project Rise, how are you looking at so while it's still getting constructed? Are you kind of reaching out to, you know, to IPCs and trying to lease out? What is the strategy in terms of leasing out that asset?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Great questions, Mohit. Thank you so much. I think, first of all, the response from the tenant for our office products has been simply phenomenal in the last 12 months. We, in fact, while we have announced that we have closed leasing of 2.2 million sq ft, we also have, you know, several deals in the pipeline where commercials are closed and documentation is under, you know, execution. I think what has helped set these office assets apart are the amenity and the product experience that we have provided. At a base level, the product that we have delivered is of the highest standard in the market in terms of energy efficiency, in terms of layout, et cetera.

We have further complemented it by adding never-seen-before amenities like a great hall, which provides all office occupiers with private meeting rooms, great cafe, entertainment areas, et cetera. We also integrated at specific locations more offerings and lifestyle amenities like club, et cetera, that have, you know, really set these offices apart, and they have become the go-to address for corporates who have their addresses in these respective cities. I am not taking any names on this call of the tenants who have come in, but if you follow our LinkedIn page, you will see many tenants have posted about opening their new city headquarters in our office portfolio. We have several other more prominent occupiers in the pipeline that we are very hopeful of converting.

Similarly, Mohit, I think, you know, like retail, we believe in creating destination offices, and Rise is going to be a similar product that is going to be set apart from the rest of the developments that you see in the city. We are already engaging with, you know, IPCs and tenants, and conversations are at an advanced stage here. Finally, to address your question on Bangalore, we have a very strong pipeline. While you see an occupancy, lease occupancy in the late thirties right now, we expect it to move up substantially in the coming couple of quarters.

Mohit Agrawal
Analyst, IIFL

Okay. Just a clarification. Any pre-leasing that you've already closed in for Rise so far that you know of now?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

We will come back and make those disclosures, Mohit, the minute we start signing LOIs, but talks are moving at an advanced stage at this point in time.

Mohit Agrawal
Analyst, IIFL

Sure. Thanks a lot. That's all from my side. All the best.

Operator

Thank you. Participants, please restrict yourselves to two questions. For any more questions, you may rejoin the queue. Our next question comes from the line of Puneet Gulati from HSBC Bank. Please go ahead.

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC Bank

Yeah. Sorry, I dropped out. My question is on these Phoenix Marketcity, Bangalore and Pune, where we've seen, you know, good comeback in terms of consumption growth, but it is yet to be visible in rental growth. How should one read that?

Rashmi Sen
CEO, Phoenix Mills Limited

We have about 9% of area both in Phoenix Marketcity, Pune and Bangalore, which is leased but under fit-out and has not started trading. We'll see the upside of rental of that area in the current year FY 2027, as well as a lot of churn that happened during the year, and brands have opened during different period and some in, you know, Q3, Q4. You'll also see the full upside of that rental in FY 2027. Phoenix Marketcity, Pune will see close to 14%-15% rental upside in FY 2027, and PMC Bangalore is going to be close to 20% increase in the rental income.

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC Bank

Understood. There's just a bit of lag from consumption to rental over a quarter.

Rashmi Sen
CEO, Phoenix Mills Limited

I think what Varun answered earlier, apparel and accessories, which is close to 60% of our portfolio, continues to grow at 15%-16%. We may see that continued seasonal jump in jewelry and electronics. You'll see that slight difference between the growth rate of consumption and rental. Otherwise, it all looks very healthy in terms of both the consumption increase and the rental increase, and both will grow at a similar pace.

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC Bank

Understood. That's helpful. Lastly, on slightly philosophical side, you have two small malls, Phoenix United in Bareilly, Lucknow, and a hotel in Agra, not meaningfully contributing. What is your thought about divesting those assets, or do they serve a purpose in your portfolio?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Puneet, we haven't thought about divesting those assets. We have a strong team in the North, which has an oversight on all of these assets and amongst the larger assets that we have in the North or upcoming. We haven't thought about divesting these. We take your point that these are not very impactful in the overall financial statements. They don't have much of an impact. However, there is potential in these cities as they continue to grow. There could be a model to, you know, expand on. For the moment, we've not thought about that.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Pritesh Sheth from Axis Capital. Please go ahead.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. Good morning, third team. First question is on the upcoming, you know, expiries. Almost 60% of the portfolio over next three years coming up for expiry three-four years. What kind of, you know, rental upside that we see based on, you know, the existing contracted rents and what the actual market rents are? If you can guide us on that.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Thanks, Pritesh, for the question. I think let me take a step back, Pritesh, and talk about what we have done in FY 2026. In FY 2026, Rashmi spoke about doing about 3.2 million sq ft of these across the portfolio. If I take out the deals that we have done at our under construction assets, we are talking of about almost nearly 2 million sq ft of deals that is done at the existing operational portfolio. Within this portfolio, during FY 2026, I think on a blended average, we have seen nearly a 20% growth in rent between new deals and renewals combined.

Now, we have a strong leasing expiry pipeline that is there, and we have identified opportunities to reposition, especially in terms of the brands and category mix, as well as the experiential, F&B experiences like Gourmet Village that Rashmi spoke about earlier. We will use this opportunity to reposition the mall and target strong renter upside, you know, not too dissimilar from what you have seen in FY 2026 as well.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Not too different than what we have seen in FY 2026, right? That's what you-

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

That is what our endeavor would be.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Sure.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

I think, you know, market conditions staying supportive, we hope to deliver on that.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Sure. Beyond these expiries, rest of the portfolio will grow at, you know, your contractual kind of levels or there also will be you know contractual plus revenue shares coming into picture and hence it would more or less be linked to the consumption growth as well.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

I mean, I think a strong endeavor internally to ensure that every retailer is having their best performing stores at our malls, and hence our marketing efforts, our customer engagement initiatives, and you know, all the events that we do is targeted to ensure that retailers are growing not just at 5%, but at much higher growth rates year after year. I would say that the rest of the portfolio outside of the expiries should you know, continue to see reasonable growth year-on-year.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Sure.

Rashmi Sen
CEO, Phoenix Mills Limited

Yeah. I'd also like to add one point to that in addition to the expiries, we also continue the ongoing churn to bring in newer brands that are coming into the market. As you've seen in recent times in Phoenix Marketcity, Pune, Bangalore, over the last two years a 10%-25% churn that we've done. This will also bring in the increased rental impact in addition to the upcoming expiries, because that's an ongoing process.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Yeah. Got it. That's helpful. Second on the, you know, Phoenix Marketcity, Pune and Bangalore, by when can we expect them to reach 95% kind of trading occupancy, which is a general steady stabilized rate that we expect?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

I think, Pritesh, in our presentation, we have already guided to reaching about 90% by the end of FY 2021.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

90%, yeah.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Right. Because we have, you know, certain identified stores like Uniqlo and other stores that are scheduled to open. You know, by our lease occupancies, if you see at Bangalore and Pune, Bangalore is already entirely leased, and Pune is also near 100% leasing at this point in time. The trading occupancy should also move up towards the 95%, 96% levels by the end of FY 2027.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Sure. Just one last on the office side. When would we start seeing cash rental contribution from the new-

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Yeah, go ahead, Pritesh.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Sorry, can you hear me?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

I can hear you. Please go ahead.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Yeah, yeah. Okay. One last on the office side. When should we start expecting rentals from the newer office assets, around from Q2 onwards, since these assets were completed towards the end of last year?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Yes, Pritesh. I think you should expect to see revenue coming in from Q2 onwards, and quarter-over-quarter, you should see revenue growing. I don't want to hazard a guess, but I would estimate that our quarterly income from office assets should double from current levels by the time next year quarter four comes around.

Pritesh Sheth
SVP, Axis Capital

Sure. Got it. That's helpful. Thanks and all the best.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Parikshit Khandpal from HDFC Securities. Please go ahead.

Parikshit Khandpal
SVP of Research, HDFC Securities

Yeah. Hi, team. Congratulations on a good quarter. My first question is on the rentals. We have seen 21% consumption growth has translated to 10% growth in rentals. Just wanted to understand if the mix of the tenant remains the same. Is it correct to assume that, typically the conversion from consumption to rental will be roughly between anywhere, I mean, up to half, like 50%?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Parikshit, thank you. That's an interesting question. Just, you know, for everyone listening in, I would just maybe give a backdrop on how our lease structure is structured and why it creates an intentional gap at times between consumption growth and rental growth. As you are aware, our leases are higher of fixed rent or revenue share, whichever is higher. Now, the fixed rent at the beginning of the lease creates downside protection for us. Even when stores are ramping up their consumption and their retailer sales may not have reached the threshold level at which they start paying revenue share to us, we still continue to benefit and, you know, enjoy downside protection from the fixed rent.

Once consumption crosses and breaches the threshold levels, then our rent starts moving, alongside it. You have seen this normalization play out in the last two years in Phoenix Mall of the Millennium and Phoenix Mall of Asia, where rent to consumption has moderated to, you know, what our portfolio average levels of about 10, 11% for new malls. Going forward, the rent should continue to grow. The growth in consumption would depend on, A, where the high growth but low revenue share categories like jewelry and electronics come in. I would say that if market conditions stay the way they are, the gap between rent and consumption should continue to naturally narrow as we go forward, and the revenue share component of our rental fees continues kicking in and bridging the gap.

Parikshit Khandpal
SVP of Research, HDFC Securities

Out of the INR 2,157 crore of rent, how much was minimum guarantee and how much was revenue share?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

We typically don't provide that breakup, but you may consider 90% of the rental income to be, you know, that we generate from retailers.

Parikshit Khandpal
SVP of Research, HDFC Securities

This is the last question. On this 10% growth in rentals which we have seen, if you can help us understand the breakup of, so what was the impact of the ramp-up in trading occupancies like to like, if we had to compare, so what could have been the actual rental growth? Because I think newer malls have seen a sharp ramp-up in trading occupancies, which could have added additional delta.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Yeah.

Parikshit Khandpal
SVP of Research, HDFC Securities

Just want to understand. Also on the volume and pricing bit, how much do you think that you've achieved? Because I think you said some areas was under renewal and you got 20% growth there. Just wanted to understand whether the inflation, whether the pricing is tracking inflation at least.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Yeah. I think there are many parts to unpack in that question, Parikshit. If I try and take a, you know, short-term jab at that question, I would say that, first of all, factually, trading area at a portfolio level hasn't increased compared to last year. You have seen trading occupancy go up in Phoenix Mall of the Millennium and Phoenix Mall of Asia. At the same time, we have lost some area in Phoenix Palladium, which is intentionally under redevelopment at this point in time. We have repositioned the Phoenix Marketcity malls, which has also led to a temporary intentional drop in trading occupancy. When we compare at our end, when we look at the data and we see trading areas across the portfolio, FY 2026 was at the same level or slightly below FY 2025.

Parikshit Khandpal
SVP of Research, HDFC Securities

Okay.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Of course, in terms of trading densities, like you alluded to, Phoenix Marketcity malls have seen a significant growth in trading densities, which are in excess of 20%, you know, for the quarter and also overall for the full year as well. That's an outcome at times of deliberate, you know, selection of which retailers continue to stay and what type of events we do to manage the, you know, impact from lower trading area in the mall.

Parikshit Khandpal
SVP of Research, HDFC Securities

On contractual rentals increase, I mean, they did mirroring inflation because now we are in accommodative

Operator

Sorry to interrupt, Parikshit.

Parikshit Khandpal
SVP of Research, HDFC Securities

Yeah.

Operator

Those were your two questions. Please rejoin the queue. Our next question comes from the line of Parvez Qazi from Nuvama Group. Please go ahead.

Parvez Qazi
Executive Director, Nuvama Group

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Two questions from my side. First, I mean, you said that consumption growth ex of electronics and jewelry was maybe 17%-18% in Q4. What would have been a similar number for FY 2026 as a whole?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Sorry, Parvez. Are you asking for a similar number for FY 2025 or 2027?

Parvez Qazi
Executive Director, Nuvama Group

FY 2026. FY 2026 consumption growth was 21%. If you adjust for jewelry and electronics, then what would that number have been?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Okay. That number would have been 14%-15% for, you know, adjusted for jewelry and electronics for the full year of FY 2026. For quarter four, that number was closer to 18%. For quarter three, that was 16%.

Parvez Qazi
Executive Director, Nuvama Group

Sure. The second question is, I mean, obviously the current economic environment is volatile. What has been the consumption trend in April? I mean, again, ex of jewelry and electronics, what do you think FY 2027 consumption growth looks like?

Rashmi Sen
CEO, Phoenix Mills Limited

April is looking very good. We are seeing close to a 30% growth in April. We've also had Akshaya Tritiya in April. Obviously the jewelry continues to have that seasonal upside in the month of April. Without this category, the growth would fall somewhere between 17%-18%.

Parvez Qazi
Executive Director, Nuvama Group

for FY 2027.

Operator

I'm sorry to interrupt, Parvez. Those were your two questions. Please rejoin the queue. The next question comes from the line of Girish Choudhury from Avendus Spark. Please go ahead.

Girish Choudhury
Analyst, Avendus Spark

Hi, good morning. Thanks for the opportunity. Some of my questions have been answered. I have just one. On the visibility right in terms of number of malls, you have announced pipeline which will take you to around 18 million sq ft by 2030, right? Looking at, let's say you have been wanting to enter new cities beyond where you're present, like, let's say Hyderabad or the Delhi NCR kind of markets or other tier one, tier two markets. The construction or development cycle takes four-five years, right? Just wanted to get a sense on the land scouting strategy, right? Then how should we look at beyond 2030?

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Girish, we are hard at work, and we are actively scouting the cities that we have also put out in our presentation. This includes Hyderabad, Jaipur, Navi Mumbai, amongst others. Fingers crossed, you know, we'll be hopeful of announcing, you know, one or two transactions in, you know, during FY 2027 in terms of new city expansion. That said, we do have substantial opportunity within our existing portfolio. Like how we are undertaking expansion of Phoenix Palladium and Phoenix Marketcity Bangalore and converting them into super campuses, we do have such opportunities across the rest of the portfolio as well, and we will evaluate and share the same, you know, going forward.

Girish Choudhury
Analyst, Avendus Spark

Great. Thanks. That's helpful.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraints, that was the last question for today. I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for the closing remarks.

Varun Parwal
Group President of Strategy and Corporate Finance, Phoenix Mills Limited

Thank you everyone for joining us. Should you have any follow-up questions, please reach out to our IR team led by Karan Mathurima for further follow-ups. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of The Phoenix Mills Limited, that concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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