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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Aug 8, 2022

Felipe Peres
Head of Investor Relations, BB Seguridade

Good morning. Thank you for attending our virtual meeting to present the results of the Q2 of 2022. A few housekeeping reminders before we start. This conference call is being recorded and has simultaneous interpretation into English. If you want to hear the audio in English, click on language interpretation button on the bottom menu of your Zoom screen. The Portuguese version of our presentation will be shown on the screen during the company's presentation. The English version of our presentation is available at our investor relations website at the address at the bottom of the screen. After the company's presentation, we are going to have a questions and answers session. During the company's presentation, questions may be sent in writing by clicking on the Q&A icon on the bottom of your screen.

After the company's presentation, we are also going to allow a few questions to be asked in audio, in Portuguese only. Now with us, we have Mr. Ullisses Assis, CEO of BB Seguridade, and Rafael Sperendio, CFO and IRO. Now, I would like to give the floor to Mr. Assis, who's going to start the presentation. Mr. Assis, please, you may start.

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Good morning, Felipe. Good morning, everyone. It's a great pleasure to be here once again with you. Thank you very much for your attendance on the release of our results of the Q2. This quarter made us very happy in terms of our performance. The company is really demonstrating quite consistent results based on better operational performance, strong operational performance with more sales, low loss ratio.

Net investment income, again, is a significant share of our performance of our bottom line. We are growing on very sound basis. We ended the quarter with BRL 1.4 billion net income, the best quarter ever. A growing operational result totaling BRL 1.2 billion in that quarter, 45% higher than the operating result in Q2 last year. Net investment income was BRL 166 million. Consolidated numbers as compared to last year in the Q2, it had to be negative by BRL 102 million. We know that Selic change would lead us to a new level of net investment income. We're even happier because we are growing very consistently, both in premiums written and also in pension plans and premium bonds.

In insurance, we had an increase of 23% as compared to the Q2 last year. Almost BRL 4 million in written premiums. Loss ratio is 77%, lower than last year, with a significant drop of 23.7 percentage points. We see a drop in the loss ratio due to COVID, and we had no major storms in terms of the loss ratio on the rural loss ratio. We have had a strong collection of pension plans. In the Q2, we had almost BRL 12 billion in contributions and a very strong growth in premium bonds. We are again leaders in terms of collection, BRL 1.2 billion in collection, 27% higher than the same quarter last year.

All of this will enable us to pay out BRL 2.1 billion, which is a payout ratio of 80%, as we had announced before. Now, going to our next slide. Now talking about technological modernization and technological and digital transformation, we see an ongoing growth in the number of businesses that are conducted in the digital environment. It was 15% greater in the H1 of this year compared to the H1 of last year. Digital is accounting for almost 13% of our total sales. This percentage is less significant than how much these businesses are growing over its own basis, because 13% share reflects that the network of the bank has been selling and what other channels have been selling. The share of the pie is the least important.

What matters is that we have a bigger pie. When we are really celebrating, we have been working so that the percentage of businesses conducted on digital environment to grow year-over-year, and we have had a 15% growth. We are also investing heavily on a digital journey, on improving the digital journey. Practically 90% of our digital journeys are already using the best UX practices. We had almost 2 billion based on data analytics. Our data analytics models have been demonstrating to be increasingly more accurate. This is good for us to operate in the market both now and in the future when we analyze Open Insurance.

I think the digital transformation is fundamental for us and this heavy investment in data analytics. It's something that we've been trying to do so that we are better and better positioned. As to the new IT architecture, is the thing that all our products are aligned, not just to be sold through the digital channel. They are already sold, but they should be sold in any kind of channel, a BB channel or a channel outside BB, well, and they should be customizable.

In June 2021, we had 15% of the products ready, and now we are at 55%, and we have the commitment that we will get 100% product ready to be sold in the virtual, ready to be sold in any type of channel, by the end of 2022, both in Brazil, and we are also preparing for Open Insurance. As I had said, this year we have doubled the investment in our budget for IT only in the H1 of the year, we have invested BRL 219 million, 38% higher than we had in the H1 of last year.

It's going to get to almost BRL 600 million, so that we complete the digital transformation before December this year. Now, talking about the diversification of distribution. Since I've joined the company, this is a recurring theme, and we really believe in this new business diversification. It has demonstrated to be very successful. In the H1 of this year, we have issued 350 million premiums were written through partners. So we went from zero, practically. And as in previous conference calls, and as you have been seeing when you monitor and you still follow up the number of partnerships, we have almost 350 million premiums written via partnerships, which represents 5% of our total insurance premiums written.

We hope that in the midterm, this is going to be much more representative in terms of the share. We are still investing heavily, and our main vision has always been, and will be through Banco do Brasil. A company as big as ours needs to have the ambition to grow in the open space, and we have the capacity of using both strategies very, conducting both of them very well. As I had said before, we want to have 10 new partnerships operational, and this is an overview of everything that is already operational and partnerships under negotiation. Just in terms of cooperatives and agro sellers, we have more than 1,548 agro-banking correspondents selling our rural insurance banks. We have two digital banks operating.

We have closed a partnership with postal service company, as we announced as a material fact a few months ago, to loyalty companies. Not to mention the partnerships to sell large risks and transportation insurance in the wholesale segment. In these three modalities, we are talking of a market that is greater than BRL 10 billion in premiums. In a market where we weren't present in the past. Last year, we issued less than 70 million in premiums in a market of more than BRL 10 billion. We went after two strategic partnerships with companies that are specialized in this industry, so that we become relevant players and seek our fair share in this market. This is another business front we bet on, and we believe we are going to grow considerably over the next quarters.

Not to mention the negotiations, we have more than 20, and we are talking about more cooperatives and agro resellers. We are discussing with another six financial institutions, three digital wallets and retail companies, one benefit service provider, and one access and ticketing service provider. We have a wide range of partnerships for each one of our colleagues. All of them today have a structure to work with partners, and we hope that through this work that we have only very recently started, but it is already providing results, and we hope that in the near future, our company can be much bigger and that channel will be increasingly more representative.

Our main focus in terms of partners is Banco do Brasil, and it will continue to be our main sales channel, but we have the ambition of occupying or having a bigger footprint in the market. As insurance companies, we already have a basis. We need to be able to distribute our good products, take it to more customers and occupy more space in the market. I'm going to turn it over to Rafael to talk about the numbers and then I come back for the questions and answer session.

Rafael Sperendio
CFO and IRO, BB Seguridade

Thank you, Ullisses. Good morning. Now on slide number six, talking about our net income growth. One point four billion BRL in Q2 2022.

The growth of 87% year-over-year, with loss ratios going back to more normal levels in line with our track record until 2019, before the pandemic, and also the strong performance in sales, and I will talk about that further on. In all our business lines, a quite significant contribution, especially of rural insurance. Another factor that has contributed quite significantly to this result was the financial, the net investment income, as you can see on the right-hand side, BRL 166 million in terms of net investment income after taxes.

This is driven both by the increase in the average volume of funds, but also because of the higher Selic interest rate, and also because of the slowdown in IGPM that reduces significantly the financial expenses of Brasilprev in this manner in the Q2 of 2022. The net investment income accounted for 12%. It could have been better. We had a quite significant impact of mark-to-market, especially because of the opening of the actual interest rate at the end of the Q2, more specifically in the H2 of June.

When we look at the yearly number, BRL 399 million in terms of net investment income, this represents 15.4% below historical average, but going back to historical levels of 2020, 5% that we used to have. On the next page, there is a brief summary of how we are doing in terms of year-to-date numbers. You can see the BRL 2.6 billion net income in the H1 of the year, growth of 44%. As a contribution for this performance is distributed in a uniform way between the two main components.

This growth of BRL 855 million in our net investment income, BRL 449 million came from the operational result, and approximately BRL 566 million, including the increase in revenue because of earned premiums, because of sales done during the quarter or accrual of earned premiums from past sales, together with brokerage results. We have an increase in sales contributed with BRL 566 million net result, BRL 35 million due to management fee, Brasilprev revenues because of the balance with interest rates income related to our reserves.

About BRL 89 million came from the reduction in the loss ratio, that we had the benefit of the reduction of notices in terms of COVID claims, a decrease in COVID claims, and three-quarters of this improvement, which was BRL 325 million in reduction in our loss ratio, and BRL 266 million was related to higher loss ratio in agricultural or crop insurance loss ratio. We had a worsening and deterioration of crop insurance loss ratio, which leads to a balance in terms of better loss ratio of BRL 89 million.

Lastly, the last part is BRL 271 million that has taken part of this growth, which is the result of investments that we've been making on technology and the migration of the technological architecture, more focusing on services and the expansion of our staff to deal with all of our efforts to increase our scope and improve our business model. We had a BRL 855 million improvement in results, 436 came from the net investment income, 433 came from volume and rate variation, especially the Selic rate and the slowdown of the IGPM, the inflation index.

That time mismatch of Brasilprev's and a negative, it was not as negative as it was in the H1 last year, contributing with BRL 19 million. Lastly, a part of the improvement was taken by the opening of interest rate curve, as I said before, more specifically in the month of June, which demonstrated to have an impact of BRL 95 million year-to-date numbers in the H1 of a negative mark-to-market, especially for Brasilprev, whereas last year, even though the improvement was quite significant, the impact was even smaller, BRL 79 million in the H1 of last year. Now, moving to the main highlights of each one of our businesses.

On slide number eight, you can see our insurance premiums growing 23% year-on-year, 21% year-to-date numbers, with a quite significant contribution from rural insurance that grew 42% year-on-year and 43% in the H1. Also had a positive significance for home insurance, 27% quarter-on-quarter, and 29% half-year-on-half-year. As to the mortgage life, or rather credit life, more specifically than in the H1 of the year, we had a performance that really fell short from our potential. Demonstrated strong recovery in the Q2, growing 1.4% year-on-year, reversing most of the drop that was accumulated, closing the quarter with 4.2% contraction.

Now, talking about the operational indicators, you can see the combined ratio with a good improvement driven by the lower loss ratio that was significant, comparing last year to this year, going from 51% in the Q2 last year to 27% this year, especially considering agricultural or crop insurance. Lastly, we have commissions had a minor shrinkage. So, here you can see rural insurance gains from written premiums with average brokerage fees different from other insurance products, and also the credit life that has a performance bonus for sales that BB Corretora uses expenses of the insurance company, that because of the slowdown in year-to-date numbers, so this performance bonus for credit life was quite small.

Most of what is being booked, it relates to life insurance. As to expenses, there was an increase if we look year-on-year. The G&A ratio shows a 0.2 percentage points retraction. If you see year-on-year, there was a stability, especially because of rural insurance and once again, all the investment that we've been making in terms of personnel and technology to conduct the strategy to expand our business model. Net investment income suffers a more direct impact of the Selic rate with a 136% growth year-on-year. Not just Selic, but also a significant contribution coming from a higher average volume of funds.

Written premium is growing in a combined ratio because of a lower loss ratio, and the net income grew 202% year-on-year and 89% year-to-date numbers. Now, talking about pension, contributions grew 5% year-on-year as compared to the same period in 2021. Accumulated has grown 13% year-to-date numbers H1, compared to H1. Net inflows has grown too. You can see that redemption ratio has started to drop as we expected in the Q1 and the Q2. An important fact coming from redemption for investment or for consumption.

As to our reserves, the trends that you can see is a 4% year-over-year growth in twelve months, the contribution from multi-market representing 31% of the total of assets under management. Even though we've been seeing a decrease, if we look at quarter-over-quarter, this is because of a higher aversion to risk from our customers. Our customers have been preferring to invest their funds on lower risk products like fixed income. This explains this shrinking, if we compare quarter-over-quarter, which had an impact in the drop of the average management fee quarter-over-quarter, that even though it went down, even though it increased the volume of revenues by 4%. If we see year-to-date numbers, this effect cannot yet been seen, so it's not here.

One basis point and the total volume of revenue has grown above the growth of the balance of assets under management. As net investment income, as I said before, so the slowdown of the IGPM and IPCA, so the fall was less accelerated, has helped considerably in the financial composition in terms of the funds that we are retaining. Then in the Q2, the net investment income was negative by 89%, much better than minus 368% that we had in the Q2 last year. It could have been better and much better if it weren't for the negative mark-to-market in the month of June and in July. It opened even more and in August, most of this opening is back.

The market is very volatile, but even so. Our expectation for the year is that Brasilprev will have much better performance than it had in 2021. Finally, in closing, our pension business saw on the net income that we had a significant improvement driven, 346% year-on-year increase more than doubling if we look, the H1 of the year to date numbers comparing 2022 to 2021. Brasilcap, we see a strong increase in collection, 27% year-on-year. The fund net investment income also improved significant with more, funds and a significant improvement of the financial margin, very much because of the higher Selic rate and a positive hedge result of positions that we have.

net investment income growing 315% year-over-year, more than doubling, if we look, year-to-date numbers for the H1 of the year. net income, we had 201% growth year-over-year and 68% in year-to-date numbers. In terms of dental business, you can see gross operating revenue growing 2%, 3% year-to-date numbers. EBITDA margins with a slow shrinkage if we compare both quarter-on-quarter and year-to-year because of higher loss ratios higher use of the plans. even so, both in terms of revenue and the financial result of the operation, there was a growth of 17% year-over-year and 20% in year-to-date numbers.

Lastly, the last operation, brokerage business, 12% growth in brokerage revenues year-on-year, 11% year-to-date, driven by rural insurance, especially because of a strong growth in premium bonds. Net margin has grown 4.2 percentage points year-on-year and 2.9 percentage points year-to-date numbers the H1 of the year, not just because of revenue, but also because of significantly better net investment income, where all the investments of the brokerage business are invested in bonds and operations that are post-fixed. This contributes greatly for the company's net investment income in the quarter.

There was a summation of better revenues and better financial performance with you provided a 21% increase in the net income and 17% improvement for the year-to-date numbers. In terms of our guidance, our three indicators that we announced to the market, we have exceeded two of them. In terms of non-interest operating result, we were expecting a range between 12%-17%, and we had 25%. This yield was attributed to a lower loss ratio than we were initially expecting for the H1 of the year. When we announced this guidance, we had the peak of claims in terms of crop insurance and there was an uncertainty in terms of the impact of the Omicron variant on life insurance policies.

For the half year, the effect was much smaller than we initially expected, and the sales volume, especially for crop insurance, was much above what we were initially expecting, and that's why we have that. This also explains on this operation in the range of premiums written of Brasilseg, we were expecting from 10%-15%, we delivered 21.2%. The range of growth of the reserves, we are below the range from 9%-13%. If we compare twelve months, we delivered a growth of 3.9%. We really talked a lot about this indicator in our conference call in the Q1. The best way to follow this up is not to compare year-over-year because the variation of reserves along 2021.

The ideal is to compare the growth rate of year to date numbers, annualized, which would be 7.5%, even though below this range, although quite close. This is related to what I said before. The opening of the interest rate curve until May, until half of June, within this range, we had this at the end of June, but with the understanding that this is absolutely feasible before the end of the year. Because we overcame our expectations or our estimates, we are reviewing up the outlook or the guidance for non-interest operating results, revising it up for the range between 15% and 20%, premiums written between 20% and 25% also up. For reserves, we keep the range of 9%-13%.

These were the main highlights that we had in terms of our performance in the Q2. Now we can move to our questions and answer session. Thank you very much.

Felipe Peres
Head of Investor Relations, BB Seguridade

Thank you, Rafael.

As Rafael said, we are going to start our Q&A session. If you want to ask a question in audio in Portuguese only, just click on the Raise Hand button. If you want, you can send your questions in writing either in Portuguese or English by clicking on the Q&A button at the Zoom screen. If we do not have time to answer your questions here live, we are going to answer all of your questions by email, the emails you used to register. Our first question is coming from Antonio Ruette from Bank of America. Antonio, please, you can open your audio.

Antonio Ruette
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Congratulations on your performance. Thank you very much for your time. My questions are related to the guidance.

number one thing I would like to understand in this growth of premiums, how do you see the different lines? I think it's important, it's relationship with credit. What you expect for the growth of rural, as related to crop and credit life related to Pronampe. The second question is related to the operational guidance. What is your expectation for the loss ratio of the different business lines?

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

I'm going to start talking first about premiums. Well, as to premiums now, with the new crop, we expect a strong growth of rural insurance. Until September, we should still have a quite robust performance. Because of the growing loss ratio, this is a product that has changed very much the behavior of customers in relation to the product. It has been very much demanded.

We understand and we see that in multi-market more than many insurance companies during this period because of the high loss ratio do not have full capacity to cater to this market, whereas we are very well positioned to support the need of our customers. We are very optimistic with the growth of our rural insurance. Credit life, as we are still below what we expected, we had a recovery of credit life insurance in the Q2. For the H2 of the year, we are expecting it to get better and better going back to a reasonable level of growth above what we've been having. We are optimistic about credit life insurance to have more intense contracting. Then first you asked about premiums.

I'm sorry, I missed the second part of your question.

Antonio Ruette
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

More details on the operational guidance in terms of the loss ratio.

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Well, the loss ratio, we have noted in the Q2 a normalization of the loss ratio, both in terms of COVID and in terms of rural insurance. We don't have major expectations in terms that the loss ratio scenario will change in the H2 of the year. This is reflected in our guidance. We expect very well-behaved ratios of loss ratio in the H2 of the year based on what I said. Number one, that we are seeing a slowdown of the COVID pandemic. We are not seeing any changes in the market. And even in terms of the rural insurance, even in the beginning of last year, this year we didn't note that.

Everything is within normal levels, and we are expecting a quite well-behaved loss ratio in the H2 of the year.

Antonio Ruette
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Great. Thank you very much, and congratulations on your performance again.

Felipe Peres
Head of Investor Relations, BB Seguridade

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tiago Binsfeld from Goldman Sachs. Tiago, please, you may open your microphone and ask your question.

Tiago Binsfeld
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Good morning, Ullisses, Rafael and Felipe. First, I would like to ask a question about pension. Could you talk about the trends that you are seeing from now into the future in terms of redemption? We are seeing net redemptions this quarter and also your expectation in terms of management fee, considering the multi-market versus fixed income mix effects.

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Okay. Redemptions from pension plans. As we have been seeing, and I even talked about that in the presentation, we are seeing a slight improvement in redemptions.

What we have always been doing, the Previ, is all our redemptions that are conducted through our channels, we monitor both the quantitative and qualitative aspects to understand what's going on. We are really seeing that we still have a very strong demand related to costing, considering the challenging economic scenario. We see a minor slowdown of that. Once we analyze in terms of transfer in and transfer out, very much within what had been going on. It's under control, I would say. They will be more aggressive this year, so we have increased our appetite in terms of transfers. A work that was very well done by the company.

For the next few months, we expect this trend of the fall in redemptions to go on and then we'll convert it in the H2 of the year into something positive. If there is economic stability, this scenario will continue. You saw that last year, the strong movement that we had in terms of market, we got to almost 32% of our portfolio in terms of multi-market. We went from 10% to 32%. This is related to the increase in our management fee. This year, because of economic issues and a higher Selic, all major players, and here, especially the 10 top players, all of them had a significant drop of their reserves in multi-market. Brasilprev fell less than the market, if we are compared.

Some of them have their AUM in multi-market has dropped by half for some players, but we didn't. Our management fee varied 0.1 percentage point in the H1 from the H1 of last year to the H1 of this year, if you compare June 2021 to June 2022. Considering the work that we have been doing in terms of being close to our customers, talking about scenarios, providing a closer consulting, we have been able to make our customers more stabilized in terms of the changes in the economic scenario, so we don't have much of an oscillation in terms of investment mix and also in terms of our fees.

Answering your question objectively, I think that our management fee is very much in line because of this slight drop in multi-market, but it's not going to be very significant in the next few months. I would say that it will be a natural accommodation of the market, nothing different.

Tiago Binsfeld
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

This is very clear, Ullisses, and if you allow me to ask another question. I would like to understand better the results of your brokerage business. We saw a growth close to 11%, but the expenses grew 18% quarter-over-quarter. This would mean a narrower margin. I would like you to give me more color on that, especially in terms of the expenses.

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Well, Tiago, as to the expenses of our brokerage business, yes, there was a shrinkage of our operational margin.

Summarizing it, we have more investments that we've been making in technology with the migration of the architecture, service centers, and the platform. That will provide us more flexibility in launching new products, so that BB Corretora will plug into any product provider today, whether they are our own or third parties. There is also a part of the expenses, which is the result of transfer of commissions to partners because of that strategy of creating channels and also a higher headcount of our brokerage businesses, in line with the strategy. We created this line in seeking commercial partners, so we have increased our data team and our analytics team, and we have replaced some vacancies in other areas of the company, and because of the pandemic, they were not being filled.

In the period of 2021, we had some staff that had left, and we had not refilled those vacancies during the pandemic, but now we did. Now we have a higher headcount.

Tiago Binsfeld
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you very much and congratulations on your performance.

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Thank you, Tiago Binsfeld.

Felipe Peres
Head of Investor Relations, BB Seguridade

Our next question comes from Guilherme Grespan from JPMorgan. Guilherme, please.

Guilherme Grespan
Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Good morning, Ullisses Assis, Rafael Sperendio and Felipe Peres. Thank you for your presentation. My question is regarding rural insurance. We see a very strong performance again, and I think that the guidance implicitly incorporates the growth that we will see in Q3 and Q4 in this segment. We've been seeing the segment growing between 30% and 50% year-on-year. It's more related to reinsurance and risk retention.

We see that in reinsurance, there is a significant movement of the main player of rural reinsurance. What is your reinsurance strategy today, and could you talk a little bit about the distribution of reinsurance between the many commercial partners that you have, and we are seeing for the Q2 this year? A potential weakness of the main reinsurance layer in terms of balance. Does this change anything in your strategy in terms of reinsurance in this segment? Thank you very much.

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Well, Grespan, as to reinsurance, we had a considerable expansion because of the capacities offered by the reinsurance panel because of a strong growth in agricultural segment especially.

We have gone through the worst time in terms of loss ratio in total volume of claims paid in the Q1 especially, but we didn't have any type of difficulty to receive any reimbursement from our reinsurers. All of them have met their obligations. Our reinsurers provide great services to us, and there were some advances, sometimes even before our calendar. We didn't have any type of problems. In the H1 or even in August, we have another considerable amount of claims to pay in the last week. We have noted an expansion in capacity.

We are aware of the capital situation, not just IRB, but other reinsurance companies that have faced some difficulties that were time-specific, temporary, and that will be reversed over the next few years. Other reinsurers that have gone through difficulties have already received capital investment and are back to usual business and usual operation. We are observing and monitoring very closely the capital and solvency status of all reinsurers in our panel. Today, the company already has capital allocated to our own operation to face any need of higher risk retention, whether that is necessary. Today we have a concern regarding that. In terms of exposure to risk, we used to have an exposure that was very much concentrated on a single reinsurer in the past, IRB.

Since 2018, we have a diversification policy in our reinsurance panel, because in the past we used to have only two reinsurers. Today we have five reinsurers. Our exposure to IRB was almost as high as 80%. We had that much concentration in the last renewal, and today we are at 30% allocated to IRB. And we have established an internal limit that no reinsurers should concentrate more than 50% of all our risk exposure. If that happens, it needs to be submitted to the board of directors, and this would be an exception depending on the scenario. Today, nothing impacting our appetite for growth in terms of crop insurance.

We have reinsurance capacity, and if we find it necessary, we can also have our own funds and other strategies for risk mitigation that will not impact our capacity in that area. Thank you very much, Guilherme .

Guilherme Grespan
Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Thank you.

Felipe Peres
Head of Investor Relations, BB Seguridade

Our next question comes from Henrique Navarro from Santander. Henrique, you may ask your question.

Henrique Navarro
Head of Latam Banks and Financial Non-Banks Equity Research, Santander

Thank you, Felipe. Thank you for the opportunity of asking a question. Sorry to go back to the previous theme, but this is still related to the IRB as a service provider. When we analyze the reinsurance market, whenever there is a catastrophic event, this affects the profitability of the industry, and then in the following year, reinsurers put a margin return that is major because of repricing. If you consider what happened with the loss ratio for reinsurers, such as rural, we can almost call it catastrophic. It's a major event.

What I mean is that we should imagine that there will be a significant attempt of price recomposition for crop insurance next year. In your calculations for next year, do you consider that they will try to recompose or recover margins, so those doing co-insurance in retrocession, everyone trying to compensate the losses because of a very high loss ratio this year? How does this goes into your calculations for your numbers for 2023?

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Navarro, thank you very much for your question. As to the recomposition of margin, this happened in the renewal for the next cycle, 2022-2023. We definitely needed a rebalancing, not just in terms of reinsurance, but also for the insurance business. Because of higher loss ratios, we need to re-adapt the pricing of crop insurance, and this was done together with the reinsurance panel.

This has already happened, not just in terms of pricing and premium, but on the end of reinsurance, reducing reinsurance commissions that we pay, for them for origination. This movement has already happened.

Henrique Navarro
Head of Latam Banks and Financial Non-Banks Equity Research, Santander

Okay, thank you.

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Thank you very much.

Next question.

Felipe Peres
Head of Investor Relations, BB Seguridade

Our next question comes from Kaio Prato from UBS. Kaio?

Kaio Prato
Equity Analyst, UBS

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity of asking a question. I have two very quick questions. One is follow-up on pension. You mentioned a more aggressive work of transferring by BB Seguridade. Could you give an example of the measures that you have implemented to increase transfer in? The second is also about rural insurance. We have recently noted that some players are more vocal in terms of this opportunity, and news has been published of another public bank with intention of having a more active share in rural insurance. What are you feeling in terms of the competitive environment in the rural insurance business?

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

I'm going to start, then Rafael will continue.

As to pension, we work in pension in two different ways, obviously, with our main sales counter being Banco do Brasil, and especially through the very segmented network that they have. When we talk about transfer in and transfer out, we're talking about a very high concentration in retail and private. This is the main focus in terms of transfer in and transfer out. In addition to the network and a very segmented market and the models that we are seeing, Brasilprev, we have turned more robust in terms of specialized, so both in terms of portfolio. This is the private model, and there is a dedicated Brasilprev consultant that serves so many customers, and the consultant talks to those customers about pension.

This transfer in, transfer out market, in terms of transfer out to us, it hasn't changed much. With what we've been monitoring along years is a quite stable line in relation to what we are attacked. Of course, we are attacked by other. We have BRL 200 billion in our portfolio. Of course, if there's someone who's much smaller, they will be much less attacked. This is the good problem of being very big. We are slightly more attacked. If we have good strategies, the access to this consulting that we are taking to our customers to bring them closer to us, has an interesting effect in terms of retention and diversification of investments and customer relationship. Why couldn't we use this strategy to be more aggressive in attack?

This is what we are doing. There is a dedicated team in Brasilprev to complement the Banco do Brasil network today that communicates constantly with those customers. Because many of those customers that are coming back to us, at some point in time, they left with a promise, with a different portfolio, with a different profitability, and we know the result that was delivered to these customers out there. When we talk to them and discuss their portfolio as a whole, this ends up facilitating to us to deliver more appropriate value proposition. This is basically what we've been doing pension. As to rural insurance, we can see a major movement in the market, especially with smaller and seasonal insurance companies.

In some years, players tries to gain share, market share, and they do, sometimes. However, whenever there is a wave of loss ratio, such as we had, many of those small insurance companies lose capacity to operate very aggressively. We see this very much, seasonality. There's someone, they work very hard, they can't meet for the next few years, they leave, and there's someone else, the year after. This is how the market has been regulating itself. In terms of the major players, we don't see any strong movement, nothing that is very, very intense. The market as a whole, Kaio, is still underexplored. When we talk about farmed areas versus planted areas versus insured areas, we are talking of a little bit more than 50% of the planted area with insurance. In U.S., it's 80%.

This rural insurance market still can grow a lot, an awful lot. That's why our concern of growing a lot within, Banco do Brasil's customers, because those are customers to whom we already provide loans and financing, and they already have rural credit, but also our desire to grow outside the bank. We are not interested only in the area that is funded by the bank. There are other areas. I could tell you today that we are preparing both in terms of products capacity and now in terms of diverse distribution channels to be more and more aggressive. Of course, within a quite cohesive and robust underwriting policy, an appropriate level of reinsurance.

Yes, we do have appetite to grow within a business of good businesses because the market has many opportunities over the next few years. This is a market that is likely to grow a lot.

Kaio Prato
Equity Analyst, UBS

Very clear. Thank you very much, Ullisses.

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Thank you, Kaio.

Felipe Peres
Head of Investor Relations, BB Seguridade

We have another question by audio from Daniel Vaz, from Credit Suisse. Maria?

Daniel Vaz
Equity Research Associate, Credit Suisse

This is Daniel Vaz from Credit Suisse. In the monthly dynamics, when you see the top line and the breakdown to the pension and premium bond insurance, how can we compare April, May and June year-on-year, month-on-month, for us to understand the monthly evolution of these revenues? Could you talk to us more about the monthly movement to understand which month was slightly lower? Also, if you can, to talk a little bit about July, how has it been? Are you seeing any recovery? What is the premium bond and pension top line?

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Well, Daniel, as to the intra-quarter, always good to remember, we have a budget that is allocated to the network that has a six-month basis.

In the Q1, we had a performance that was well above what we had initially expected, in our pension in a budget allocated to pension and also in terms of premium bonds. What happens there is that there is a management of distribution based on the budget. The performance is much stronger in pension than in insurance in the H1. In the H2, there was more focus on insurance and less on accumulation products so that we could deliver the budget that was estimated for the period of six months. If you see premium bonds for six months, even though we have exceeded the budget in all lines, but this dynamic depends heavily on the management along the half year.

One line with the other is not really related to origination capacity, and it's more related to the management of the budget along the period.

Daniel Vaz
Equity Research Associate, Credit Suisse

Okay, it makes sense. Would it be fair to say that you are going to focus slightly more on pension in the H2 of the year to try and catch up the middle of the guidance?

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

This is natural, and we are already seeing in June and August our work in pension, but it will be more intensely concentrated in Q4 seasonally. That is the movement that we usually see here internally.

Daniel Vaz
Equity Research Associate, Credit Suisse

Okay, thank you very much. Congratulations on your performance.

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

Thank you, Daniel.

Felipe Peres
Head of Investor Relations, BB Seguridade

We have no more questions in audio. There are a few on the chat.

One of them, they want to know about next year, what we expect, especially considering our business futures because in terms of carryover to the following year when there is growth in premiums. Another one asking about the payout of dividend because we made a few allocations on some operations last year. Is there any opportunity this year or next year of payout, an increase in payout?

Rafael Sperendio
CFO and IRO, BB Seguridade

Let's separate here into two components that we always emphasize in terms of operational performance. So far, we are having a good expectation for 2023. We see two economic indicators. We see a considerable reduction in unemployment rate in Brazil, an improvement in income.

We see a trend of improvement in terms of the income available, which will favor even further the volume of written premiums and the inflow too. We are expecting an even better 2023. In principle, Selic in terms of our market expectations will remain at high levels. Along 2023, which is part of our interest rate curve, in terms of reducing it along the H2 of the year, and it will continue to favor our net investment income. And as it goes down, it's important to remember that we still have the impact of the mark-to-market that will start to be positive.

As we've said, even though the net investment income had a significant improvement as compared to 2021, we have almost BRL 20 million of the mark-to-market. This is related to BB Seguridade. The face values are even higher than those. If this improvement in the scenario as a whole becomes true in 2023, we shall not have quite significant mark-to-market. It won't affect so significantly our bottom line next year. As to the payout of dividend, we have been retaining slightly more funds in our operations and also in the holding. Because of the uncertainties and volatility that still persist in the market, and in our understanding, this volatility should go down towards the end of the year.

As we note, a scenario in the short and the midterm, and the uncertainty level will release the excess funds that we are retaining today in the operations of our holding. Today, we can, in terms of percentage of the net income, the payout, regarding to the H2 of the year, is likely to be much higher than what we paid for the H1 of the year.

Felipe Peres
Head of Investor Relations, BB Seguridade

Thank you, Rafael. Well, we have no more questions, neither in audio or in writing. In that manner, we end our conference call for the results of the Q2 of 2022. When we end, could you please answer our assessment, providing us some feedback? Ullisses and Rafael, would you like to make any closing remarks?

Ullisses Assis
CEO, BB Seguridade

I would just like to thank you all for your participation, and we are available to answer any other questions you may have. Thank you very much. Thank you for your presence and greetings.

Rafael Sperendio
CFO and IRO, BB Seguridade

Likewise, I would like to thank you all for your participation. I and the investor relations team remain available to answer any other questions that you might want to ask after our conference call. Thank you very much. Thank you. Have a good day.

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