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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Aug 11, 2023

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to EZTEC's Q2 2023 earnings conference call. We'd like to inform you that this event is being recorded, and all participants will be listening to the conference call during the company's presentation. We will start the question and answer session when further instructions will be provided. If anyone present needs assistance during the conference, please request support via the chat. In case of a failure in your connection, please reuse the same link or ID available on the EZTEC website, ri.eztec.com.br, to return to the presentation. You will also find on our website the presentation slides in the download center. Information is available in BRL and in BR GAAP and IFRS applicable to real estate development entities in Brazil, otherwise indicated.

Before we start, we'd like to mention that any statements made during this conference call regarding EZTEC's business prospects, projections, and operational and financial targets are beliefs and assumptions of the company's management, as well as currently available information. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of performance. They involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions as they refer to future events and, therefore, depend on circumstances that may or may not occur. Investors should understand that general economic conditions, industry conditions, and other operating factors could affect EZTEC's future performance and could lead to results that differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements. Now, I'd like to give the floor to Mr. Emilio Fugazza, CFO and Director of IR, who will begin the presentation. Please, Mr. Emilio. Thank you so much.

Emilio Fugazza
CFO and Director of Investor Relations, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

It's a joy to be here with all of you to present our results for Q2 and Q1 2023. I'd also like to thank our President of the Board, Mr. Flávio Ernesto, and the CEO and President of EZTEC, who's also a member of the board, Silvio Ernesto Zarzur . I'd like to begin by sharing with you a little bit of the results of our operations, which we see here in slide 2. This quarter, we had the launch of East Blue Tatuapé, for starters. Pretty much 50% of this launch has been sold already. We have been seeing the results in our earnings right in this semester. We also have the launch of the first tower of Lindenberg Ibirapuera, which is approximately 35% of units have been sold, and BRL 300 million.

This means that in this quarter, we have BRL 602 million in launches. In sales, we have reached almost BRL 900 million in gross sales during the Q1, with a highlight to the Q2, where we had BRL 487 growth million in sales. We see a positive result for the company. Sales have been recovering, and we can see that in the results. This is the company's best Q1 results since our IPO. These results are absolutely in line with what we have been seeing in previous quarters. Although, we are talking about a year where we are likely to see record numbers of deliveries and launches that the company has made over the past three years. This volume reaches approximately BRL 1.8 billion.

Most importantly, out of this volume, we have been, we have already sold 84% of units. This launch, called Reserva JB, as you can see in the picture, this is the we are launching the sixth and last part of this venture, and over 90% of these 600 units have already been delivered. This means our inventory is at less than 10% pending. We have saved Our savings in launches have been increasing as well. We have approximately BRL 4 million in cost savings, and this has a positive impact on our balance result. Our current stock in residential units is approximately BRL 2.6 billion, which is a reduction in what we practiced in 2022.

We would see that in addition to residential stock, we also have our commercial ventures, and these are, these are also important to our statement. Here on the left, you see Esther Towers . As you can see in the picture, 57% has been complete. Here we were determined to finish the first tower. We are on track to finish the first tower during 2024, and we are also completing the region that comprises the shared space between both towers. On the right, we see the Air Brooklyn venture, which should be complete in the next few months. This is a venture that is right next door to another residential venture of ours. Our land bank is currently standing at 8.5 billion BRL. That means 8.5 billion BRL available for future ventures. That's both for My Home, My Life ventures, residential ventures.

In the bottom left, you'll see the profile per type of project. We have some great results this quarter. That means these results will be coming due in the next quarter. I'd like to start by talking about net revenue. In this quarter, Q2, we have BRL 243 million in net revenue, this includes two ventures. One of them was launched in... We're also seeing some good results in recovery of our gross margin, and another one here in Moema, that was launched in the end of 2022, and now for this quarter, also comprises the. On the top right, we see the slow and gradual recovery of our gross profit, starting in the Q3 of 2022 and also continuing into the Q2 of 2023.

This reflects construction costs and has been showing to be much closer to, to be in line with the INCC variance, which we have confirmed for Q2 2023. These results will be, this trend line completes in 2024. In the bottom right, you see the results and margin to be appropriated. This includes a 1 percentage point recovery, exactly as we saw one year ago in the Q2 of 2022. This means that in our consolidated results, we are close to 37% in, in margin to the appropriated. Also on the left, you see the highlight for this quarter, the, property equivalent and its percentage to our net profit. Most of these ventures have been carried out in the, the current quarter.

These includes the results from Reserva JB, which is a venture that has seen very good sales, so the results were very good for this quarter. That means there are also two other ventures, Parque RU and Parque da República. This shows our growth margin of approximately 55%, and the Jota venture in Rua Joaquim Távora. This is the first venture in the joint venture between EZTEC and another construction company, which helps comprise our BRL 50 million net profit. Now, we see some of the company's financial results and our cash, as we can see in the bottom right, the development of our debt and net debt and cash. We are posting approximately BRL 781 million. On the top right, we see our direct, the evolution of our direct receivables. This has improved compared to 2022.

We also see the result of the much more intense speed of deliveries that we're going to see in the second half of 2023. All of this comprises net profit, not just in nominal numbers, but also in margin. This brings us up past BRL 75 million, meaning 31%. Now, it's important to mention that the company still has a net cash position. Our volume is quite considerate, considerable in construction underway, that should come due in 2024 or 2025. Our long-term debt should see an impact, a positive impact there. If we compare our cash with the year, the end of the year 2022, we see growth of approximately BRL 12 million. Now, looking at our capital structure, closing out the 2Q 2023, the book value per share is approximately BRL 21, which means BRL 4.8 billion.

As we can see our asset distribution on the right, these are great results for our liquidity. We have over BRL 1.2 billion in cash and receivables for this quarter. These results include the results from the Lindenberg Ibirapuera venture, and some other completed projects as well. Our land bank, as we've seen, is over BRL 8.5 million. In our capital structure, we see that financial sources, 19% is third-party capital, concentrated in approximately BRL 683 million in loans, financing, and long-term investment, plus BRL 47 million in payable land. To complete, let's look at our dividend payment. As we've been seeing in the past few months, this is equivalent to 25% of our result. Our dividends total is approximately BRL 17 billion. This will be payable on August 31st, 2023.

These are the results, and now I would like to pass the floor to the President of our board and then to our CEO. Flávio, please.

Flávio Ernesto
President of the Board, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Firstly, I would like to welcome everyone, say good morning, and say that it's a great pleasure to be here with you, sharing our Q2 results. We don't think this quarter meets all of our expectations, but we are certainly firmly underway to continued improvement, and we're confident that over the next few semesters, we will go back to having the company we've always liked. I'd also like to highlight that we are absolutely in line here.

Everyone in the board is aligned in this sense. I'd like to pass the floor to Silvio, our CEO, to give some of his remarks about the results we've seen in this quarter, and to share what results can already be shared.

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Thank you. I'd like to welcome everyone as well, and thank you for being present here. My comment that I'd like to say is that a number of events have occurred since the pandemic that culminated with the 3.7% interest rate. This also increased construction costs, in addition to the scarcity of materials that resulted from the pandemic. This is becoming more and more normalized after the pandemic ended. I would say that our real interest rate is decent. I would call it decent.

The real interest rate makes it very difficult for a company such as ours to do any work. This is the real interest rate, and I think it's never been as good. I would say that our results have been approximately in the mean, and we have what it takes to post very good results once these macroeconomic factors go back to pointing us in the right direction, not just the interest rate, but also inflation. We prepared the company. We are very well prepared in terms of personnel, in terms of system, and I would even say in terms of maturity. The company is set to grow in profitability and safely as well, securely. Often people think our primary driver is profits, but no, it's security, it's confidence. Of course, we want profits, but we need both.

We are very well grounded, this means we can post very strong growth over the next year and a half. Of course, we're at your disposal for any questions you may have.

Operator

Thank you, gentlemen. Now we'll open the question and answer session. For those who wish to express themselves, we request that you use the Raise Hand feature to be used on the Zoom platform, and as time permits, we will also answer questions that arrive through the chat. If it's not possible to answer all your questions within the allotted time, we'd like to ask you to send in your question by email to the EZTEC IR. That way, our IR team will be able to contact you after the conference call. Our first question, comes from Mr. Igor Haltero from XP. Mr. Igor, please go ahead.

Ygor Altero
Equity Research VP, XP Inc

Hi, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for your presentation.

I have two questions: First, what is the margin dynamic like that you're thinking? Do we hope to see an even faster recovery or a stability at this higher level? The company has posted 40% in the past. The second question is, in this scenario, with a dropping interest rate and real estate fundraising, I'd like to see what you think about the Esther Towers , potentially.

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Hi, Igor. Thanks for your question. All right. Costs are not dropping. What is dropping is the cost variance. Cost itself is controlled. It doesn't seem that we will see a drop in the cost of civil engineering and construction. What we do hope to see very strongly is increased demand linked to the interest rate, because when the interest rate goes down, the customer's purchasing power increases considerably.

Their purchasing power see, increases. We can see our competitor, XP, they don't have very many options. Today, consumers have pretty much the option of buying real estate or making financial investments. They can, individual can accept a higher interest rate. This will increase the each unit's sale price. I think this movement is what is going to bring us back to the results that we've been expecting. When Emilio reports an increase in construction costs, this is partly responsible for our balance, but there's also another part that we cannot see or estimate. We do hope... We, we believe we are seeing improvements to our margin, and that is based on maintaining costs. We are likely to return to the margins we had in the past. I mean, it's obvious, right?

It's the same thing that happens for competition for financial instruments. When you have a real estate fund that yields a given amount every year and is corrected by the IPCA and other fees. This becomes much more attractive as the interest rate goes down. We're going to see the return of real estate funds. I think the development of Ester Towers is linked to the resumption of economic power, economic practice, that we've been seeing in the post-pandemic scenario. We are seeing people start to go back to physical offices, and we believe that this will be very salient in the next year. Of course, real estate funds are the main driver, but there are other alternatives, too, in addition to real estate funds.

Let's remember that EZ Towers, one of these towers were sold to São Carlos , which is not a property, a real estate fund, and another to Abrupto, which is a international fund. Igor, did we answer your question? Any other follow-up?

Ygor Altero
Equity Research VP, XP Inc

No, thank you. It's very clear. Thank you. Thanks, Igor. Have a great day.

Operator

Thank you, Igor. Our next question comes from Mr. Gasparetti from Itaú. Go ahead.

Speaker 12

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the call. I have a follow-up to the previous question. I'd like to understand what you think will happen in the second half now. You've mentioned the impact of the dropping interest rate and how this could incentivize consumers. What do you think would happen to the sales and launches and their speed? Now moving into 2024 as well in this scenario. A second question, looking at the increased price, because cost isn't going to drop, the price should go up. Could you estimate what Parque da Cidade is looking like? We've looked now that these, the sales have gone up recently, and what's likely to happen in the future?

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Hi, Daniel. Thanks for your question. All right, let me begin by saying we have 2,950, including the second tower of Lindenberg Ibirapuera, of property to sell.

Our pipeline, I consider to be relatively strong up until at least the end of the year, but we're not going to see any major changes compared to what we saw last year. There's not going to be a huge amount of variance, but we do expect to see recovering sales. It's a day-to-day exercise. It's every week, we also run all the numbers. That's how we work. Every week, we go back to work, and our forecast for this semester is 20% higher than the previous semester. Our sales target is 20% higher than last quarter, last semester, pardon, and this could be realized, but it might not be. There are outside factors as well. Our company is highly exposed to macroeconomic scenarios.

For instance, foreign exchange or interest rate variation could be felt here, we do forecast 20% better results this semester. This may not be materialized. Look, our PDT, it's so difficult to say because we've sold a unit totally off the curve. High, we've sold at over 28,000 in the last PDT. It's difficult to give you a precise number, our forecast is very good. This is likely to happen in mass, starting at the end of the year, for a number of reasons, positioning. For instance, we purchased a property where the businesses, the old sales were held, and now we have a sales strategy. We have a macro strategy and a point-of-sale strategy. That's why we're launching the Carrefour Residential Tower.

When that is launched and we see very strong advertisements for that tower, this is a tower with 35,000 square meters of private area. This tower is right in front of PDT. Selling those units with the decorated unit, this is going to give us great synergy. I believe our margins are going to be very high. I can't give you a precise estimate in percentage points, but it's likely to be a good result. Emilio is giving us some numbers. It was an absolute increase in prices. That's after financial corrections, over 100%. Did we answer your question? Any follow-up?

Speaker 12

No, that was perfect, Emilio. Thank you. Have a great weekend.

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Thank you, Daniel.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mr. Pedro Lobato from Bradesco. Pedro, go ahead.

Pedro Lobato
Equity Research Analyst, Bradesco BBI

Thanks, everyone. Thanks for your question.

I'd like to go back to the topic of Fit Casa and those properties. Could you tell us what percentage of Fit Casa fell into those BRL 2 billion in the properties that you have for that segment? Also, let's explore the land bank. We see BRL 1.8 billion in land bank, 22% of the total. Do we foresee a continued investment in those office buildings? Is the type of project likely to change to residential or perhaps part of that land bank? Thank you.

Emilio Fugazza
CFO and Director of Investor Relations, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Hi, Pedro. I'll start by answering the land bank question. Well, the EZTEC Inc. Land Bank is flexible. It can be used both for commercial and for residential unit in full. This did not used to be the case, with the new zoning law, we only had one property that was locked up in commercial.

This is in the Guimarães unit. Now, with the change in the city's urban plan, this has now become flexible. For the next results, I'll check with Emilio, we converted a great deal. This has already been converted. We have already converted a great deal of our commercial land bank into residential because we requested the category change during the Operação Urbana Água Espraiada from commercial to residential. A great deal also of the Roque Petroni property and part in the Verbo Divino property. The others, we don't need to do that, we did formalize our filing to City Hall, we believe that City Hall will authorize this request. It's a little bit difficult to explain, we have the property's potential, which is permanent.

We are converting that additional potential from commercial into residential, but we do still have the property fund that can be used both for commercial and for residential in the future. Today, our plan is... There may be something I'm forgetting about, but practically all of it will become residential. This is what we see in the short term, because the recovery is not likely to happen in the very short term. We are going to launch a Fit Casa venture. I think in less than 45 days, we're launching a big one in Vila Prudente. Our, our Fit Casa pipeline is quite considerable. Our pipeline is approximately at BRL 2 billion underway. We're going to launch them. We have a number of ventures to be launched, including Fit Casa. These are going to be launched hand in hand in the total pipeline.

We have BRL 11 billion in the pipeline, BRL 2 billion for Fit Casa, and we're going to launch them more or less proportionately. When Rio Bonito launches, it will bring up something like 20% of the total, and we're moving in that direction. We have some partnership, three more ventures. We have a large number of ventures. I won't call them Fit Casa. It's Minha Casa, Minha Vida, Casa Verde e Amarela, the government grant program. These are being launched in partnerships, and we're going to bolster and invest in these partnerships for the low-income residential segment. Pedro, did we answer your question? Any additional questions?

No, that's it.

Pedro Lobato
Equity Research Analyst, Bradesco BBI

Thank you for those, for that texture, Emilio.

Emilio Fugazza
CFO and Director of Investor Relations, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Thank you, Pedro.

Operator

Our next question comes from Fanny, from Santander Bank. Fanny, go ahead. Thank you, Pedro. Good morning, everyone. Congratulations on these results.

Fanny C.
Executive Director of Corporate and Investment Banking, Banco Santander

I have 2 questions. First, could you talk a little bit about the VGV Star Towers venture? Could you explain to us what you believe the rental level is going to be like? What kind of cap rate do you foresee for that valuation? That's my first question. My second question is about the VGV for the next 2 years. We have a dropping interest rate scenario, and perhaps even more quickly than expected. Could you explain in a few words what you foresee for 2024 and 2025? Thank you.

Thank you. I'd like to highlight for the Star Tower, we're going to hold that back a little bit because as Silvio mentioned, we're going to wait for the recovery in the country's financials before we make more investment.

Emilio Fugazza
CFO and Director of Investor Relations, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

This pricing will be done according to the market, as the market dictates. At the time, we don't think that this pricing structure is ready yet, at least not so clear. I have a comment I'd like to make. If we look at when we sold Easy Tower, Easy Tower is right in front of Edifício Esther. It's a tower that is equivalent to Edifício Esther for its time. Today, it's the most modern tower in Brazil, as Easy Tower was during its launch. At the time, we rented Easy Tower for BRL 90,000 per square meter. We rented it out for BRL 90,000. We can't give a specific, precise number, but there is a price compression occurring. These numbers should be today around BRL 27 million-BRL 30 million at BRL 30,000 per meter. That's not what happened.

Rent prices were much closer to BRL 90 than to BRL 160, so the price is much closer to BRL 22 than to those BRL 27 or BRL 28 that we had foreseen. What can happen is, just as way back then we had that boom for Easy Tower, we can also have a good market price today, around BRL 22, but we expect or forecast sales at between BRL 25 and BRL 30 with a recovering market. This expectation may or may not be come to fruition. What happened in the pandemic could be, could become normalized. This is why I'm hesitant to give you a specific, precise number. We may not follow the forecast. When we see the relative drop in commercial, commercial buildings during the pandemic may not normalize yet. Of course, the logistics chain is becoming more and more normal.

What we are confident about is that we are working within the scenario as best as we can. Also, please, don't quote me on this, but we're going to approve something between BRL 6 billion and BRL 7 billion in VGV. We have a pipeline that's been approved for the next two years. You, you'd like to see numbers, right? Well, 2.5 a year, this will be a good estimate. A little bit higher, perhaps, or lower, but it shouldn't deviate too much from that. Emilio says we don't have an official guidance. Yes. All of this that I'm saying may not come to fruition. You know that in Brazil, we work on the base of certainty. Sometimes the political scenario changes. They may up and decide to change the president of the central bank, who will change interest rates, we don't know.

The scenario comes from outside. We may be subject to surprises, which could be positive or negative. This is an expectation, but it's not a certain forecast yet. I'd like to say that when we, when we say approved, we mean approved by the municipal city halls, to allow the projects to be available for launches. There's one thing within what Silvio mentioned. This is what we believe will happen in the future, and we are very confident today about this scenario here in Brazil. Something else that's crucial is that there's something pushing us forward. It's our inventory levels. Did we answer your question? Any additional questions?

Fanny C.
Executive Director of Corporate and Investment Banking, Banco Santander

Thank you, Pedro. No, Emilio, that's very clear. Thank you.

Emilio Fugazza
CFO and Director of Investor Relations, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Thank you, Fani. Have a great weekend. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tainan from the UBS Bank.

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Good morning, Silvio, Flavia, Emilio, and Pedro. On our end here, we have two questions. One is about the margin and the other is about Reserva JB. These recent projects, most of them have been accredited by, they are in 42%, right? Can we consider that the margins are not going to be attested to by equivalency, how can we, how can we raise that level past the 40%, 42%? The construction savings in Reserva JB, could you explain how exactly you made those savings? Was it divided between the different steps in construction or a specific one? How can we make savings in other projects, too, not just that one? Thanks.

Emilio Fugazza
CFO and Director of Investor Relations, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Well, okay. Hi, Tainan. How are you doing? Well, for our margin, I think it's about the timing for the building being launched.

Things are more back to normal, the cadence, I mean. The company is not as agile for us to solve a problem such as we saw in the pandemic. Things are only starting to come back to normal now. Yes, we can expect margins equivalent to what you saw for the company's future launches. This is our forecast. This may not be materialized. I don't know if there are any legal issues there, but in addition, we expect increased margins coming through increased prices, because the property price is, is a given. We've already bought and paid for the property. We have construction prices, which in the company's opinion, is remaining stable. We have the sale price. Today, that margin comes out to those 40%, and we expect to increase sale prices.

This forecast gives us an increased margin. Now, this may not occur, and it may or may not occur. In fact, the scenario could be difficult. We could have excess of products and excess in consumer habit. We don't know. We can't be certain, but we expect that margin to remain for other launches, and it'll increase if the sale price remains stable. Tainan, those construction savings that you mentioned during Reserva GB, this is due to the fact that from the point of view of construction that launched during the pandemic, for instance, the case of Reserva GB, this was launched right at the very end of 2019 and the early months of 2020. Those construction projects caught an increase in price. This increase in price started being normalized gradually, quarter by quarter.

Each construction had a management that was different, and in the case of Reserva GB, this-- these results led to saving. Although it was small savings, this is a very large project with significant budget. However, this indicates for us that construction ventures that were quoted and developed during the beginning or the mid of the pandemic may have some recovery in store. This means that for us, the worst, the worst forecast is accounted for. Now, if-- that means that we have nowhere to go but up. In my opinion, we're going to see some, some savings over 2024 and 2025, but the Reserva GB was the first one. Emilio mentioned, and I want to add, we have a planning team that follows the developer. The higher price that we see, that has already been accounted for.

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

What Emilio is saying is that from now on, we, we believe there won't be any more rises in price. In fact, we expect the following, the opposite. We expect price variance to point downward. We don't expect to see any more construction active. We, we expect to have construction underway with INCC. Tainan, did we answer your question?

Speaker 9

Yes, you did. Thank you. Have a great weekend!

Operator

Thank you, Tainan. Our next question comes from Gustavo Cambaúva , from BTG Pactual. Gustavo, please.

Speaker 11

Hi, everyone. Good morning. I also have 2 questions about the land bank. First, could you please say a few words and explain whether you're looking at real estate again and thinking about purchasing real estate again at the time, or if you right now, if you're planning on holding the cash flow in, in a sense, and about the city direction plan, the urban plan. What do you think was changed in the Urban Guidance Plan? Is there an opportunity there to negotiate real estate? Is it now easier to buy? Was there a property that was harder for you to purchase and is now easier now that the urban plan has changed?

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Hi, Gustavo. Thanks for your question. Look, I can tell you, we have a significant land bank. We are launching ventures, so we are consuming land bank.

I think that the return to real estate purchasing is very gradual. Right now, we prefer to leave those funds in the company's cash, because we have a significant volume of land bank, and there is a lot of land bank that you see that isn't really real around the around other competitors. Many of their land banks are just options and potential, not ours. Ours is real land bank. They're all purchased and paid for. Yes, we are going to purchase land bank, but only when it's an opportunity that is strategic for us. This is what we always keep in mind. I think when we do our land bank repositioning, we may see those numbers go up a little bit. We may go up past 12, but that's in a reassessment of the land bank.

We are going to make purchases when that is strategic for us. We have a, a very strong, a very strong motivation to increase the company's ROI. We really need to turn over our cash in, in levels that are higher and higher. We need. We, we, we're seeing numbers that are much higher than the CDI rate, so our ROI is what is most important for us. There are other strategies underway as well. We're not going to, we're, we're not going to be impulsive. We're going to make real estate purchases gradually. Now, looking at the urbanism direction plan, there, my head kind of spins when I see the amount of offers that we have.

This makes me a little worried when we see the amount of real estate we're going to have with a significant change in each property's potential now that we have the new direction plan. Imagine a property where we could have bought 5,000 meters, we can now construct 8,000. This is, this was, in, this came at the cost of city hall exercising many of its options. I must say, this, we need to see how things develop before we make any decisions. It's like when pharmacies started opening, people thought it was ridiculous because there were pharmacies launching left and right. The pharmacies created demand, and I think property is the same. When we start making these purchases, the demand may may be realized, and so we may gain in the price.

Gustavo, did we answer your question or any follow-up?

Speaker 11

No, that was very clear. Thank you.

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Thank you. Have a great day.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mr. Andre Mazzini. Andre, go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi, there we go. Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for your call, for your video conference. I have a question as well about the urbanism plan. I was listening to some other companies, and they mentioned that it's often worthwhile for them to file requests from City Hall and just wait for the new urbanism plan, which has been approved, but also the soil use plan. There may be significant new possibilities for other ventures. Is that worthwhile for any of your projects? Do you think there's a specific project that's right on the cusp of launching, but you've decided to hold back, perhaps? My second question is also about Fit Casa.

It seems the government is interested in buying property for Fit Casa, because in the past, this was 10% of the land bank. What is Fit Casa purchasing? What does that look like? In the year 2024, how do you think Fit Casa is going to progress?

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

André, for resubmitting documents and projects, there are some... We're paying 13.5%, 13.25% in interest per year, but you have a company with turnaround, so it really depends on what position you're at. I can't hold back projects for last year because I would be creating a hole in the company's finances for this year. I need a frequency of launches to give us stability, and we also need to maneuver within those elements you mentioned.

There is some, though we do have a bit of a history of refiling and re, reassigning projects. We have a few examples of that in our history, but this is not as something that is systematic. This is not a strategy of ours, because I can't leave my launch schedule pending. The company has a number of other concerns. For your second question, I think we are turning over at a good pace. Our pipeline is very strong, and I would like to remind you of something. EZTEC is, our-- we, in our genes, we have the medium and high quality projects, high purchasing power projects in our genes. We have Bandeirantes II, we have Extra, we have a number of ventures. We have the one at Roque Petroni. We have very upscale, very large, in the mid to high and high standard ventures.

We also have some good ventures under Fit Casa. We have been purchasing properties systematically to construct Fit Casa. We're buying three to four properties per year. These are small investments, the real estate, that is, but they give us a very significant return for Fit Casa or Minha Casa, Minha Vida, Minha Casa, Minha Vida. Andre, did we answer your question? Any follow-ups?

Speaker 10

No, that was very clear. Thank you.

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Thank you, Andre. Have a great day.

Operator

Our next and last question comes from Matheus Venosa from Credit Suisse. Go ahead, please.

Mathias Dabdab Venosa
Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Hi, everyone. Good morning, and thanks for the chance to ask my question. I have two questions, in fact. The first is, I think this is a moment in the company's timing where you've decided to slow down launches and focus on selling inventory, right?

Emilio Fugazza
CFO and Director of Investor Relations, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

I'd like to ask you now, moving forward, is it possible or even likely to see a macro improvement in the real estate segment? So what would need to happen for the company to really flip the switch from purchasing property to really accelerating launches? My second question would be about partnerships, specifically with Lindenberg, which has been quite successful, especially in selling the Iguaçu project in this quarter. In this timing, where does the company position itself in this sector? Can we understand that you're now going to work in this sector through partnerships, or are you likely to keep operating with partnerships, but also launch and operate projects individually without any partners?

Hi, Matheus. Truly, I think inventory is the product that we sell. Now, you can't sell any product if you don't have inventory.

This does not concern me, because inventory is part of the, the company's business. We sold-- What did we sell? BRL 600 million? BRL 900 million in the first half of the year, and we have BRL 3 billion in inventory. Honestly, I think inventory is natural. If I go to a, a, a pants store, do you think I mean, when I, when I wanna buy a pair of pants, I want to go to a store that has lots of options in stock. If you think you're going to buy a 4-room apartment, you buy a 3-room apartment, or if you want to buy one in a given neighborhood, that's, at the last minute, you change your mind and buy an apartment in a different neighborhood. That's all possible because of inventory. There is an organized structure within the company's financial.

Our, our net debt level, for instance, is another key financial. What we're thinking now, for the time being, is first, we want to normalize construction. We're going to launch that store in Roque Petroni, that real estate sales store. We have another store in Ibirapuera. As we open these stores, we are improving the sales of our inventory. There's the PDC as well. This gives us more confidence in our selling. We have these points of sale, let's call them. We also need to have construction controls. This means we can accelerate launches, and we're doing this now. We should be able to. This goes back to that question that was asked, and we have a general plan to sell our inventory over the next few months. As for high income, this also holds for low income.

We are going to do business on our own, both in very high income and in low income, let's say, in a consistent manner, but this is not the company's focus. We are going to do business consistently, but this is not, this, that, that's-- partnerships are not the company's focus. As Lindenberg said, we have a partnership with Lindenberg, but that's not the company's focus. Our focus is on the major ventures where we trade very efficiently. We have Bandeirantes, we have Extra, Carrefour, Roque Petroni, these very large ventures where we can trade and do business with a good margin. I'd like to remind you that when you saw the volume of each segment in our balance sheet, they may be well-distributed, so we can be well-positioned in low, medium, and high income.

For high income and low income, parts of those are going to be operated by third parties. We are likely to have a good distribution between those three segments, but the company is strongly, more strongly focused on medium income. We are doing business on our own, but we also find partners when that is strategic. Matthew, did we answer your question? Any additional questions?

Silvio Ernesto Zato
CEO and President, EZTEC Empreendimentos e Participações S.A.

Gentlemen, if there are no further questions, we are also over time for this presentation, so I would like to pass the floor on to our directors to proceed with their final remarks. I just would like to mention that yesterday we had a board meeting. We are all strongly aligned, and I think one thing that became very clear, I usually like to make things very clear.

Basically, we are building strategic plans to consume our property, our land bank, much more quickly than purchasing others. Now, remember that a great deal of these properties, they used to be commercial, are now going to be residential. This is a strategy of ours. Now, as for acquiring Itcasa, low-income properties, this also requires less capital. At the same time, this is a segment that is strongly supported by the government's public policies. I think we can definitely surf that, surf that wave. For me, I think this, this becomes very clear and we're all strongly aligned. I'd like to make the following comment: We've been seeking liquidity in our sales. I think that's very crucial for us to say. When we come in with a, a store model, the fixed store model, the strategy has been panning out.

It's been the correct strategy. We need a number of points of sale around the city to be able to to sell property, and we have been successfully running these stores. The truth is, we want to sell our properties more quickly. It's not that we don't want to buy property, we just need to turn them around quickly. We need the ROI, return on investment. As we start selling properties more quickly, we will go back to purchasing properties more quickly as well. I think that's the key takeaway. Our scenario is quite positive. We're very optimistic about the future. The company is very well-positioned. We are improving our cost controls as well. Our board is very active. They are helping us significantly. This makes us very comfortable.

The execution and implementation has been set by the company's board, is also, really giving us good result. Please feel free to ask more questions. We have Pedro, we have Emilio, Fabio, and myself, and so I'd like to thank everyone. Thank you, gentlemen. Well, EZTEC Earnings Conference Call is now over. We'd like to inform you that we are developing new instruments and reviewing the layouts of our materials with the aim of bringing more transparency, accurate information, and engagement of our readers regarding the company's businesses and strategies. Be sure to check out the materials on our investor relations website, ri.eztec.com.br. Thank you all for being here. Wish you all a great day, and have a great weekend!

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