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Earnings Call: Q1 2023

May 16, 2023

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to IRB-Brasil Resseguros' first quarter 2023 results presentation. Present at today's conference call are Mr. Marcos Falcão, the CEO and Investor Relations Officer of the company, Mr. Wilson Toneto, Board Member and Technical and Operations Vice President, Mr. Daniel Castilho, Underwriting Vice President, Mr. Carlos Guerra, the Legal, Governance, and Facilities Vice President, and Ms. Thaís Peters, Internal Controls Risk and Compliance Officer. We would like to inform you that this teleconference is being recorded and that all participants will be in listen-only mode during the presentation. Ensuing this, we will start the question-and-answer portion. Should you require any help, please dial star zero. This presentation was prepared by IRB-Brasil Resseguros and could not be considered as a source of investment data.

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Marcos Falcão
CEO and Investor Relations Officer, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

A good morning to all of you. 2023, we sped up the process that began and has been very important for us. In January, we have renewed some contracts, and we had an increase in the share and a lower exposure to risk. We now have people focused on this and on the search of new businesses for the company.

Now, we visited more clients than we had in the entire year of 2022, and this has been transformative in our day-to-day work. After changing and overhauling the internal processes of our company, we are working with a base zero budget, which means that we are beginning the year 2023 with a very asset-light company. In April, we signed contracts based on a completely different base. Finally, what had an impact on the results of the quarter, we closed an agreement with the Department of Justice of the U.S. and the Securities and Exchange Commission. This will mean that we will have an enhancement of our return.

Loss ratio reduced from 81% - 77%, commission from 25%- 19%, and the expenses rose from 12% - 14%. Because the ratio of expenses is calculated with a view to the premium, the percentage increases. Within our strategy to further concentrate in Brazil and Latin America, you can see on slide seven, on the upper part, that there was a reduction in the international premiums from BRL 765 million to BRL 577 million. This reduction is due to a reduction in global businesses outside Latin America, catastrophic businesses in the U.S. and Caribbean, agro in India. We do not want to keep those businesses because we were not being appropriately remunerated for the exposure. The reduction in premiums in Brazil has to do with the overhaul of our portfolio in January, as we thought for some businesses the premium was not appropriate.

We also decided to reduce our share in some business lines such as rural. On slide seven, again, you can see the breakdown of business in our portfolio, especially property, 42% of the portfolio. If we look at the number of contracts renewed, we increased the number of these contracts from 86%- 88%, which means that we are underwriting a better quality portfolio with lower exposure contracts. On the following slide, on the upper part of the chart, you can see the retroceded premiums, retained premiums. We are retaining more. As we underwrite more risks of better quality, we are also retaining more, and this has to do with the fact that we are underwriting lower limits. We want to acquire retrocessions that are more appropriate to our exposure.

On the lower side of slide number eight, we see the reduction in the earned premiums in the first quarter of 2023 abroad and in Brazil, which results from our strategy to overhaul the portfolio in the January renewals to have better quality portfolio with less exposure. The re-underwriting process resulted in a reduction in premiums in 2023, and in 2024, we should go back to growing. I now turn the floor over to Toneto, who is going to make some comments about the loss ratio.

Wilson Toneto
Board Member and Technical and Operations Vice President, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

G ood morning to all. We are now on slide nine. There is no doubt that loss ratio is the most relevant factor to allow us to achieve the expected results. We also need to highlight the volatility of that ratio in our industry due to several factors.

As we all know, the loss ratio of a reinsurer results from contracts signed in previous periods and depends essentially from the process of assessing risks as they are presented and of appropriate pricing. Therefore, it is more important to analyze the trend of the index rather than the quarter. Having said that, I invite you to have a look at the upper part of the slide, where we see the changes in the quarter of the amount of retained losses, retained claims. The last quarter of 2022 had an impact coming from the catastrophe of agribusiness in Brazil. When we compare Q1 2022- 2023, we see that the volume of retained claims is flat and is BRL 933 million. Above the bars, you see the loss ratios with and without the effects of LPT.

In Q1 2023, the index was 77%, which was the lowest in the period and one of the lowest ever since the 2020s started. On the lower part, we see the breakout of the loss ratio per geography. This could have been better, but we had an uptick of claims coming from abroad, especially in life, having to do with contracts that were not renewed, and also on major events in aviation in Brazil and abroad. In this quarter, we had no relevant impact coming from agribusiness and very few claims related to COVID-19. We believe that the actions mentioned by Castilho in terms of adjusting prices, reducing exposures by decreasing our share in several contracts, and the alignment of commercial conditions and technical changes in the renewed deals, should contribute to improve this ratio during this fiscal year. We are now going to move to the next slide.

On the upper part of slide 10, you see the two main provisions of the company in net of our protections and retro IBNR and PSL. Since 2021, the volume has changed and has remained so, despite the reduction in premiums and the dilution of risk, which began in the beginning of 2020. This is a strong indication that our balance sheet now has robust provisions, and that we are managing our reserves for claims in a very prudent manner. This reduces the risk of deviation in the results. On the lower part, you see the breakdown of our technical provision in gross values. In Q1 2023, they amounted to BRL 13.7 billion. The reduction relative to December 2022 has to do with the higher volume in the payment of claims, as can be seen in PSL. This provision reduced by BRL 903 million, which affected our operating cash.

We also had a reduction of PPNG in view of the lower volume of underwritten premiums. The actuarial provisions trended in a different direction and had a growth in the last few periods. Robust provisions are necessary to face up to the risk of our portfolio. On slide 11, we see the cost of acquisition of the company, which in Q1 2023 was BRL 233 million, a 20.5% reduction relative to Q1 2022. If we exclude the effects of LPT, the commissioning index would be 21% in Q1 2022 and 19% in Q1 2023. The smaller share of this, which is the second biggest cost of the insurer, is in line with the strategy to improve the combined index and on changes in the mix of segments. On the lower part of the slide, you see SG&A in Q1 2023, which amounted to BRL 88 million.

Despite the effects of inflation in contracts and in our staff and personal costs, the nominal value remained flat relative to the last few quarters of 2022. The administrative expenses ratio was 7.3% in Q1, and if we exclude the provision for the payment to DOJ and SEC, this would be 5.2%. On slide 12, on the upper part, we see the changes in our financial assets. The portfolio amounted to BRL 8.6 billion in Q1 2023, a BRL 400 million increase relative to Q1 2022, and a reduction by the same amount relative to December 2022. This reduction relative to Q4 2022 is in line with the comments that we made relating to our operational cash. That is, it has to do with disbursements to pay for claims. Despite that, as we will see, this hasn't affected our regulatory sufficiency index and the coverage for technical provisions.

Now, looking at the lower part, in Q1 2023, the financial result was positive by BRL 146 million. When we compare this with the last quarter, this remained practically flat. If we exclude the one-off effects of previous quarters, the trend is positive and consistent. In 2023, we had no non-recurring events. As I said before in previous presentations, the increase in the interest rate in Brazil and internationally, especially in America, contributed in an important manner to obtain those financial results. Also, once again, we have an ALM strategy, and we need to provide guarantees to international operations. Therefore, 43% of our financial assets are linked to other currencies and have profitabilities which are not linked to the CDI. We expect that the reduction of our businesses abroad should allow that assets in other geographies should migrate to Brazil. I now turn the floor over to Castilho.

Daniel Castilho
Underwriting Vice President, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

Thank you, Toneto. I would like to make some comments about the changes in the combined index in Q1 2023 relative to Q1 2022. On slide 12, in the upper part, you can see the changes in the combined index in Q1 2023 with and without the effects of LPT, which was carried out in January 2022. There was a reduction in loss ratio and in commissioning. Expenses increased slightly in percentage terms. Although they are stable in absolute terms, the percentage increases, because this ratio is calculated relative to the earned premiums. So the combined index went from 114% - 109%. On the lower part of the slide, you can see the amplified combined index, which includes financial results. In the quarter, this went from 106% - 97%. I now turn the floor over to Thaís, who's going to talk about the regulatory ratios.

Thaís Peters
Internal Controls Risk and Compliance Officer, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

As you all know, SUSEP monitors two regulatory indicators which should be covered by the company. The first has to do with the sufficiency of adjusted net worth relative to the minimum capital requirement, which is a bit different from the general concept of solvency. The second indicator assesses the coverage of technical provisions. That is, the need for coverage with the guarantee assets. In terms of the first regulatory indicator, it was BRL 72 million in terms of sufficiency, that is 105%. The indicator supported one-off events such as the agreement with the DOJ. When we look at the total solvency of the company, the indicator jumps up to 260%. In the quarter, you will see that the regulatory indicator was at the same level as Q1 2022, but the general solvency of the company went from 231% - 260%.

The second indicator assesses the amount of eligible assets according to SUSEP to pay for the actuarial commitment of IRB, and that was positive throughout Q1 2023. At the end of the quarter, the sufficiency was of BRL 239 million. The regulatory index considers BRL 7.2 billion in guarantee assets, which is below the financial assets of the company, which were BRL 8.6 billion in the period. A difference by BRL 1.4 billion. The company's projections indicate that those indicators should remain within the regulatory standard requirements.

Marcos Falcão
CEO and Investor Relations Officer, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

Thank you, Thaís. I'm going to end this presentation by telling you that we have been working with the company by establishing clearer and more ambitious targets in order to give good results to the shareholders. In the first week of June, we are finally going to move to our new offices in Rio.

We are going to leave the historic building in Marechal Câmara to the Ventura building in front of the Metropolitan Cathedral. Our team is going to work in a more integrated manner and rely on more modern devices. We are also going to be dealing with the debentures that mature on October 15. We are discussing alternatives to refinance those debentures, and we are very optimistic in the sense that we are going to present a solution very shortly to our shareholders. We will now going to move to the Q&A session.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now go on to the question-and-answer session. Should you wish to pose a question, please press star one. To withdraw your question from the list, press star two. We have a question from Gabriel Gusan from Citibank.

Gabriel Gusan
Analyst, Citibank

Good morning to everybody. Well, there has been a great deal of fluctuation, and it has been difficult for us to gain a true view of what is happening. This seems to be a somewhat lighter quarter in terms of your results, and the second and third quarter, more heavier. Is this what is polluting what happened in previous years? Are you sufficiently confident in this sufficiency of net worth when you think about the scenario? Thank you.

Wilson Toneto
Board Member and Technical and Operations Vice President, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

This is Toneto, Gabriel. I'm going to answer the first part of your question referring to seasonality in terms of the loss ratio.

If we look at this historically, the first quarter tends to be more favorable because of the type of contracts that we have, our communication dynamics, and much more. Our expectation, although we may have this seasonality in the first half of the year, is that the activities that are underway in terms of underwriting should reflect higher numbers in the coming quarters. Although we do have a very volatile activity, as it is said, with some seasonality. From the global viewpoint, we understand that considering the present day outlooks, we are considerably better vis-à-vis the previous year, considering the lack of catastrophic events for the time being in agri business as we had last year. I do hope to have answered the first part of the question. I will now go on for the second part of the question with Gabriel.

Gabriel, if you could please repeat the second part of your question. Your sound was a bit cut.

Gabriel Gusan
Analyst, Citibank

The second part refers to the sufficiency of capital, and it seems that there has been a somewhat worse seasonality in terms of your loss ratio.

Wilson Toneto
Board Member and Technical and Operations Vice President, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

Gabriel, we're quite calm when it comes to our needs for capital in coming quarters. Especially as you must have noticed, we are already decreasing the volume of premiums. We're concentrating our portfolio in Brazil with more selective contracts and therefore this reduces our need for capital. We're quite calm. The results are moving forward well, the trends are positive, and we don't expect any surprises going forward. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, we would like to remind you that should you wish to pose a question, please press star one. We have received some questions over the chat.

Marcos Falcão
CEO and Investor Relations Officer, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

I can review some of them and I will answer them, not specifically one by one, but I will give you a bird's-eye view of these questions. We do have some questions referring to our debentures, which I think I have answered. We still have five months before maturity. We are quite comfortable with the alternatives we are negotiating. We should get to October without further surprises. The offices of London and Buenos Aires. Regarding the London office, it has been there for 40 years and the goal of the management is to ensure that we can end these operations without any additional expenses, and we are in the process of negotiating. Regarding the office in Buenos Aires, everybody is aware of our difficult position.

There are elections in October, and that is a very interesting market with highly trained professionals, and we foresee that Argentina could become a hub for 15% of portfolio we would like to have in Latin America, as Daniel Castilho mentioned. LRS, this is another question. This is a new instrument for negotiation that we approved last year. We have a plan indeed to change things going forward. We have been here for only six months. We have a great deal of things for doing this. One of them, PDV, with all of the costs focused on the second quarter. This ended as we wanted, approximately 10% of the company. All of this worked very smoothly. We treated people as they should be treated because we believe this is the right forum to deal with this very difficult process. We have another cost question.

The cost for DOJ that was provisioned in the first quarter. We will have a follow-up of the Department of Justice for the coming three years in our activities and to make a lemonade for lemons, we are going to strengthen this area, enabling us to have a truly impeccable company when it comes to that point. We have changed offices. We are highly enthusiastic with our new way of working. Wilson Toneto regarding the cash for the first quarter, I think Wilson Toneto referred to this. There is an important association between the use of the PSL that has been reduced by some millions and the accelerated payment of claims that we have operated with in this first quarter. Regarding the guidance, of course, it's not our intention to give guidance. It's much too early.

We would like to end the second quarter with all of these adjustments, and then we will think about this further ahead. There is a question about non-operational assets. Evidently, it's very interesting for the balance of a reinsurance company in Brazil to have sufficiency of capital, and of course, some of the assets are important for the capital assets that do not even help us in capital sufficiency. We will not use them. We need to have operational assets. We work with non-operational assets in a very calm way, always seeking the best prices and not doing this desperately, of course. This is what is presently on our agenda.

The portfolio for financial investments, once we bring down the mix to Brazil of 80% for Brazil and 15% for Latin America, and 5% abroad, through time, this portfolio will migrate through Brazil, and this will enable us to grow our portfolio. Let me see if we have any additional questions I have not answered so far. The brand. We are working on the brand. Of course, this is important for our customers who have a very strong identity with us, and we want something that will be more streamlined, somewhat lighter. I believe that with this, I have answered most of the questions that we received through the chat, and I would like to return the floor to the operator.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we would like to remind you that should you wish to pose a question, please press star one. We have a question from Gabriel from Citibank.

Gabriel Gusan
Analyst, Citibank

Thank you for taking another of my questions. In the past, we spoke about retrocession. I would like to understand if what you attained in this last quarter is the level that you are truly seeking for the rest of the semester.

Daniel Castilho
Underwriting Vice President, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

Gabriel, if I understood correctly, you are speaking about retrocession. What are we doing? We are going through that process of cleaning out our portfolio between January and April. We still have other renewals this year. The idea is to adjust our retrocessions to our present-day portfolio. The intention, of course, is to reduce the purchase of retrocessions. But I would like to underscore that because of the international market, we see that the cost of retrocession is increasing.

This began last week, and we see that the cost of retrocession is increasing and the available capacity is quite reduced. Our expectation for this year is to reduce the purchase of retrocessions as we have limits in our portfolio that are much below what we had the previous year.

Gabriel Gusan
Analyst, Citibank

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. At this point, we would like to end the question-and-answer session. I will return the floor to the company for the final remarks.

Marcos Falcão
CEO and Investor Relations Officer, IRB-Brasil Resseguros

I would like to thank all of you for your attendance at the call and mention that we have been leading the company for the last six months, working with very difficult, serious work, and this is just the beginning. We hope that you will have patience. We have seen your questions.

We are going to address them slowly with focus and devotion, and we believe that the year 2023 will be a year of turnover, and 2024, we will begin with the company as we want it to be. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you for your attendance and have a good day. The conference call of IRB-Brasil Resseguros S.A. ends here. We would like to thank all of you for your participation. Have a good day.