Demant A/S (CPH:DEMANT)
Denmark flag Denmark · Delayed Price · Currency is DKK
205.20
-3.00 (-1.44%)
Apr 24, 2026, 4:59 PM CET
← View all transcripts

Earnings Call: Q1 2024

May 6, 2024

Peter Pudselykke
Head of Investor Relations, Demant

Good afternoon, and welcome to our conference call following the release of our interim management statement for Q1, which was published earlier today. The call is a bit earlier than normal, but the plan and agenda is the same. We'll run through the presentation, and afterwards we'll switch over to Q&A. Just on a practical note, the presentation should now be on our website, and as usual, we plan for this call to last no more than one hour in total, including the Q&A session. On the call today, it's as always, Søren Nielsen, our President and CEO, and René Schneider, our CFO, as well as the IR team, Gustav Høegh, and myself, Peter Pudselykke. And with that short intro, I'll turn the microphone to Søren for your initial remarks.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Thank you very much, Peter, and welcome, everybody. We will head straight into key events for Q1 2024. Key highlights have, of course, been centered around the launch of new premium technology, and we have seen a strong initial reception, especially in the independent channel, that have also been a prime focus for the introduction so far. So all good performance in hearing aids following a very strong 2023. Our estimate quarter-over-quarter is that we have maintained market share in value, and yeah, work from there. Hearing care off to a slower start than expected, mainly due to France and China, both markets being softer than expected, and therefore more challenging to drive traffic and leads, et cetera.

However, the run rate for the business in total have improved during the period, and we expect growth to increase in the period following. Diagnostics saw solid performance and off to a good start to the year, and we have delivered our, yeah, we work on our strategic review for the communication business, and it basically follows plans, and with that, the updated strategy for the group. Key financial takeaways for the first quarter, organic growth for the group of 3%, driven by diagnostics and hearing aids.

The group's gross margin was better than expected, improved meaningfully compared to Q1 2023, and this is driven by improved product and channel mix that leads to a lifted ASP in hearing aids. OpEx also, as expected, due to very low comps last year, in a low double-digit growth level, and primarily related to investment in R&D and of course, the continued expansion of our distribution activities.

EBIT before special items in line with expectations, although slightly lower than in Q1, again due to the comp where we had very high sales and was cautious on the cost side last year, you get this slightly below last year effect, but something that will change during the year as we move forward. And based on this start of the year, which is basically in line with expectations, then we maintain our outlook of delivering organic revenue growth of 4%-8%, and EBIT now before special items of DKK 4.6 billion-DKK 5 billion, and special items positively a single line positive of around DKK 125 million.

If we look at the different business areas, a little bit, highlights of the hearing aid market here in Q1 2024. Overall, we estimate around 3% growth. As always, we cover around 2/3 of market with data and statistics, and this is a little soft, you could say, but also reflects a very diverse development. Europe only growing 1% in units, where North America have grown ten percent, with 13% in the commercial market and minus one, slightly negative in VA, and the rest of the world, also around 1%. So you could turn around and say that outside North America, a soft market, and North America, on the other hand, very positive. So that's the, that's the big picture.

We maintain our updated view that we also shared at the Capital Market Day, that in general, we expect ASP to be flattish, but there in this period, due to geography and channel development, have probably been a slightly positive ASP development. Hearing aids Q1 off to a good start based on a new introduction. Despite of the high comps, we have seen good initial reaction and uptake. It's not fully launched across all channels. We just started in VA last week and also yet to introduce to a number of larger retailers, but off to a good start. Growth entirely driven by ASP, where we have seen negative unit growth, which is partly due to lower sales to certain larger accounts.

If we go across the region, we have seen negative growth in France. This is primarily due to the timing of the launch, which led to a little bit towards the end of the quarter, a little bit holding back, and then once launched, sales have picked up. Germany, negatively impacted by exactly certain larger accounts, where we have seen unit sales go down, but to lesser extent, revenue. Good performance in many medium-sized markets. North America, solid development, especially with the independent. Strong growth in VA, despite negative growth in the channel, so a strong position that we continue or expect to, of course, expand on, and continued good momentum in the Canadian market. Asia, negative growth in China, reflecting the very soft market dynamics.

We actually think we on wholesale level play the game well and potentially gain share, but again, in a negative market, especially compared to Q1 last year, which was right after the reopening and therefore quite booming. Overall growth in Asia is driven by the minor markets and strong growth in Australia and New Zealand. Hearing care in Q1 we have seen overall a slow start to the year. However, important to stress that the run rate have improved, and the slower start is, I would say, related to the timing of invoicing before and after, and also in some European markets, a little bit timing of Easter, negatively impacting March, but on the other hand, supporting a strong start to the second quarter.

All in all, 0% organic growth, which is below our expectations, but also with a negative element from France and China. The French market also is developing a little slower than anticipated. We assumed a full year flattish, and we can just see here from the beginning of the year, at least on the retail level, our clear picture is that it's slightly negative compared to last year. Strong acquisitive element, acquisitive growth of 5%, driven by especially Germany and Belgium. So, all in all, good speed on the business, but started a little slow. We have seen flat organic growth in North America for the period.

Slight growth in Canada was offset by slightly negative growth in the U.S., but again, all timing, and we have seen the run rate develop positively also in North America. Strong growth in Australia, driven by especially product mix, and in general, we also see a better and better effect in hearing care when introducing new strong products like Oticon Intent, we see an uptake to ASP. Diagnostics in Q1, solid performance, off to a good start of the year. Organic growth of 7%, a little lower comp. We, I'm sure you all remember, had a little bit slower start to the year last year, but still, at least slightly better than expected, so all good on the diagnostics side.

I don't have much to add there. Outlook for 2024, a few minor changes to the market. As we clearly explained on the Capital Market Day, when we review the past five to 10 years, or the conclusion is that the development in the market on the ASP side has not been as we as stipulated, not been minus one to minus two, but rather been flattish. That's also our assumption to going forward, and as plans and budgets are made much more, you know, with the starting point in your own business, this doesn't impact the outlook. This is the updated assumption, just reflecting everything we went through on the Capital Market Day.

We expect cash allocated to bolt-on acquisitions in 2024 to be higher than normal, due to the acquisitions we have already made in 2024 and a continued strong pipeline, and that's also a slight adjustment, you can say, to previous data. Discontinued business, we still expect to close the divestment of the CI business here in the first half, and we also expect to have conducted the strategic review, not that things have been finalized, but the strategic review of the communication business by the end of the first half. So, except for the special item of positive around DKK 125 million, no changes to the outlook. Organic growth of 4%-8%, EBIT before special items, as this is a clear one-off effect for the year.

The underlying EBIT guidance is unchanged, 4.6 billion-5 billion, and a share buyback of more than DKK 2 billion, 2% of acquisitions, and FX of -1, a little bit headwind there. And yeah, other than that, no changes to, or in total, no changes to the outlook, except the special items. So a quick update on the business, and with that, open up for Q&A.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star and then two. Our first question comes from Martin Parkhøi with SEB. Please go ahead. Martin, your line may be muted.

Martin Parkhøi
Head of Equity Research Denmark, SEB

Sorry, sorry. I'll try, I'll try again. Firstly, on the impact from managed care, where you in the first quarter say that it has been slightly negative. Since then, you know, since your full year guidance released, we have seen the clash of, you call it that, with the healthcare and the removal of old comp products from formularies. Do you think that the development in managed care will become even worse for the remainder of the year first quarter, and is the situation with UnitedHealthcare a meaningful impact on your full year growth rates?

Then, second question, we see a significant ASP impact in the first quarter, where I guess it's due to U.S. growth and lower sales to certain chains. How should we see what kind of impact have you baked into your guidance for the full year with respect to the ASP development? Are we seeing a similar ASP effect in the remaining quarters or what should I assume there?

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Yeah, thank you very much, Martin. You know, we cannot comment in detail on the individual plans, but it is, of course, as you clearly say, things are dynamic and centered around our decision to try to position our brands in the U.S. market quite differently or a little bit differently, and, focus Oticon more on the independent segment, where we think our new innovations are supported and fully honored, and then, getting Bernafon and still parts of the Oticon program, a stronger position towards managed care. And these discussions and negotiations are in play. I will not comment on the individual plans, but we definitely expect some progress. It is transitional, and how long it is, I cannot comment on.

We, of course, also expect that we can benefit from this strategy on the independent side, so you have to see it in a totality. But, for now and the way things look, this is exactly part of why there is a certain variance to the guidance for the year of the 4%-8% organic growth and the corresponding EBIT. But we are within, we are within the guided uncertainty. And ASP, it has been strong here in first quarter. I don't think it will be as strong in the rest of the year, but if anything, a pointer towards the ASP instead of the units, but it depends so much on how, you would say, Europe versus U.S. will develop. It is, obviously very different market growth rates we are looking into.

If you see some of the European markets or a channel like NHS pick up significantly, it could change. It could also be our distributor business, which has a tendency to go a little bit up and down. It can quickly disturb the picture. But big picture, the way we position ourself, the product mix, the channel mix, et cetera, underlying, I think you've seen for a period now that ASP is one of our growth drivers. But, yes, in units over time, we would also like to see growth, of course.

Martin Parkhøi
Head of Equity Research Denmark, SEB

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Maja Stephanie Pataki. Please go ahead.

Maja Stephanie Pataki
Head of Medical Devices Sector and Deputy Head of Swiss Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I would like to dig into Germany, where you highlighted that there were some soft volumes with some larger accounts. Could you maybe talk a bit about what the reasons were? Is it channel specific? Is it competition that is giving you a hard time just to understand the dynamics? And then coming back to Martin's question on managed care, maybe a bit of challenging question, but, Søren, what makes you confident that this is a transitional impact? I mean, everything in life is transitional. You know, next year you wouldn't have the impact, the comparison impact anymore, but when you say transitional, I think you probably expect growth to pick up again. What makes you confident that this can be achieved? Thank you very much.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Thank you, Maja. Germany is just an example where there are some big players and that holds a lot of volume, but also Germany specifically have a tendency to have a big share of relatively low price basic products, and it is some of these segments where we don't have the same focus and attention. We focus on introduction of new innovations like we have seen with Real and now with Intent, and that has a tendency to drive more growth in the independent channel, also in Germany. And we have, on that account and with that focus, lost out a bit to some of the bigger players. I would say that's also within the expectations that this would happen.

This is just flagging why the numbers are like they are, more than flagging something that have not developed in line with the plans. Managed care in U.S., transitional, why do I believe that? Well, managed care is a big channel in U.S., and we have successfully, in basically all other markets, in the world, managed to use our brand portfolio better and broader to exactly be able to offer everybody high quality but also in line with different, let's say, pricing expectations. I think there is a potential in our brand portfolio to better service all the various channels in the U.S., including the managed care channel.

So, yes, I expect that, over time, we would see a more normalized market share in that channel for Demant. We were not too high in the first place, so this is part of the transition of actually come to a position where we can grow our market share and sales also in this channel.

Maja Stephanie Pataki
Head of Medical Devices Sector and Deputy Head of Swiss Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, understood. And Søren, just a quick follow-up. So, what you're talking about in Germany is just a continuation, what you referred to with your full year results when you said that you're having this price discipline on, you know, what price you wanna get and you're not going for any kind of volume?

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

We are all making our own prioritization and our own, best assessment. We like to engage with everybody and sell to everybody, but sometimes you can agree, and sometimes you cannot agree, and, and then, results follow.

Maja Stephanie Pataki
Head of Medical Devices Sector and Deputy Head of Swiss Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Good. Thanks very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Solvet with BNP Exane, please go ahead.

Hugo Solvet
Executive Director and Head of Medical Technologies and Services, BNP Exane

Hi, hello. Thanks for taking the question. Sorry, maybe to push you a bit on managed care, a follow-up to previous question. Can you maybe give us some indication on what the base is now and in terms of sales? And to my last question, do you expect to grow next year when you will have lapsed all the comps or as soon as Q2 or Q3? And then on profitability, obviously, a soft start to the year, but we all have in mind that you upgraded your guidance last year in April. So can you maybe give us some indication on the phase in Q1 versus Q2, and then maybe also H1 versus H2, or you should think about that? Thank you.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Thank you. I can really not go into more details on the managed care in the U.S. This is a channel that have grown, but have also put a certain pressure in the marketplace on the independent. And again, we try to service all channels, including managed care, in the best possible way, also to their benefits, and that's the play you see going on now, and I cannot go into more details and will not comment on our current share in that channel. Profitability, there is an actual seasoning during the year. Q2 is bigger than Q1, and Q4 is bigger than Q3, and second half is bigger than first half, and you will see exactly the same type of phasing this year.

It is especially in the hearing care business, where there is different holiday elements, and the timing can be a little bit different year to year. But in general, the momentum builds up during the two halves, and especially Q2 and Q4 are strong months in the retail business, and to some extent, also the diagnostic business. So that will be an actual phasing you will see this year.

Hugo Solvet
Executive Director and Head of Medical Technologies and Services, BNP Exane

Okay, thank you. Just maybe a quick follow-up on retail. Can you maybe give us the growth rate that you saw in Q1, given your comment of improving trends throughout the quarter?

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Could you repeat the question, Hugo? I'm simply not sure I got it right.

Hugo Solvet
Executive Director and Head of Medical Technologies and Services, BNP Exane

The growth rate in hearing care in Q1, the exit growth rate for March.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

I cannot. You know, when I talk about a growing run rate, you simply have to normalize by working days. This is, you know, days where people can go through the front door and measuring per working day in the quarter, which is not comparable for the quarter. It's almost comparable to last year, but when you look towards the end of the quarter, March this year is a shorter month than last year due to the timing of Easter. But looking per day, we have seen a growing momentum during the quarter and ending the quarter above last year, store by store, where we started it below last year.

So you can say we came out of 2023, maybe with a little less business in the pipeline, and have seen that pipeline being built up, and therefore, run rate exceeding last year, now, when looking by business day.

Hugo Solvet
Executive Director and Head of Medical Technologies and Services, BNP Exane

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Robert Davies with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Robert Davies
Executive Director and Head of European MedTech and Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Yes, morning. Thank you for taking my questions. My first one was just on the hearing aid business. Can you give us a little more color in terms of how the reception's been to your new product launch? I just looking at the growth rates that you've done in the first quarter against one of your peers, didn't seem to be quite as strong. I didn't know if that was just a sort of phase timing of the new platform, or kind of just put a little color around how the new product launch is going. The second one was just around the diagnostics business. You've done a number of quarters now of I guess single-digit growth through last year and into this year relative to the sort of double-digit levels you were in 2022.

What's changed in that business that's brought that growth rate down, and do you think that's going to improve through the back half? Thank you.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Yeah, thank you very much for your question. I think it's very important when you look at the hearing aid business, really to look at different channels and segments. And as highlighted to certain larger accounts, we have lost some business, which in revenue is, of course, visible and meaningful, but from a profitability point of view, as gross margin is very low, limited, ASP is low. We have gained share, I'm sure, in the independent segment, and therefore, ASP up. We have also had a weak NHS, where we are highly exposed in the period. They're pulling the other way. And again, on a much bigger base, we grew at 26% in the hearing aid wholesale first quarter last year. So, you know, two years in a row, it's a 30% growth.

So or not two years in a row, adding the two years together. So, I think it is a solid performance. And again, the 4% in is on a much bigger base than the 12%. But you have to look at the composition of the channels, and you could say the health check on that, and our improved gross margin is really a testament to the increased profitability. And that is, of course, always a balance, top line growth versus a focus on profitability in the business. The Diagnostics, yes, we had an outstanding 2022, also a little bit fueled by, you know, post-COVID, the reopening, et cetera. But also where we saw a you know a lot of momentum in the business.

We have now achieved a +50% market share in a market that grows presumably 5%. So still being able to take share with 7%, 8%, 9% growth, we still find quite impressive.

Robert Davies
Executive Director and Head of European MedTech and Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Thank you. Then maybe just one follow-up. Just on the profitability, I think you mentioned there was a comment in the release saying that the profit in 1Q is lower year-on-year. Is that putting any sort of additional pressure on your sort of full-year guidance at all, or is it going to make the mid- to upper-end of the range more difficult? Is there anything sort of to highlight, I guess, within the sort of weighting of profitability, just given the comments from 1Q? Thank you.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

No, not. And we have tried to a little bit hint to that for quite a while because you had this, I would say, surprisingly high growth, also why we upgraded very early in the year, last year, where we have had a tough second half 2022, due to very, you know, a reduction in demand coming from inflation and on, you know, economic uncertainty. And therefore, we went into 2023 with, as I said, the brakes pulled on expansion, capacity cost, very low growth, and so on. And then during 2023, we released these constraints as we saw the markets being strong, and we performed super well.

And therefore you see a full year effect where capacity costs have grown, not dramatically from fourth quarter into first quarter, but quarter-over-quarter, and then the sales is a little more soft. Therefore, in the quarter, we would see a pressure on the margin and on the absolute profitability, and this is totally as expected, due to the phasing. This will improve during the year and is all within the guidance we put out.

Robert Davies
Executive Director and Head of European MedTech and Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Understood. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Niels Granholm-Leth with Carnegie. Please go ahead.

Niels Granholm-Leth
Head of Equity Research, Carnegie

Hello, and thank you for taking my question. Sorry for returning to the managed care situation. You mentioned earlier that the situation is floating. So would that mean that for those schemes that actually want to pay acceptable prices, that you would be willing to offer your newest technology to those schemes, or would your brand strategy be cut in stone? My second question would be on your OpEx spending, which you mentioned is double-digit in quarter one. Would you expect a double-digit growth for the full year? Thank you.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Yeah, thank you, Niels. It's not floating. We have announced a strategy where we think this way we best service the various channels in the U.S. market. There is no changes to that. We anticipate also in the future that managed care is an element of securing you know attractive pricing for the members, and also using the purchasing power that lies in that, and therefore we play our cards a little bit different. And yes, we believe we can grow share in the managed care channel over time by doing so, while at the same time also continue to support the independent strongly with innovation, training, all the good things that needs to be in place to actually also be successful with these new products.

So no, no changes to the plans and the strategy put forward. The OpEx, yes, we will see a more normalized level during the year, and things where top line and capacity costs are better balanced from a growth point of view when we end the year.

Niels Granholm-Leth
Head of Equity Research, Carnegie

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Christian Ryom with Danske Bank. Please go ahead.

Christian Ryom
Head Of Equity Research Denmark, Danske Bank

Yes. Hello, hello, this is Christian Ryom from Danske Bank. A couple of questions from me as well. First, on hearing care and U.S. specific. Søren, can you help us with an estimate of what the, say, addressable market for your hearing care business, the retail business in the U.S. grew in the quarter? This might just be the estimate for what the private pay market grew, and how that, of course, compares to your retail—your own retail business being down, as far as I can understand, year-on-year here in the first quarter. And then the second question is a fairly brief one. That's on this strategic review that you have on the communication business.

How we should understand your expectation that you expect to complete this by end of first half? Does that mean that you will communicate a conclusion on this by, say, no later than thirtieth of June? Or should we expect you first to communicate a conclusion on this externally in connection with the first half year results in August? That's my two questions. Thank you.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Thank you, Christian. You know, we don't have all the color and flavor on the channel development. We can see the total commercial market. We can see some of the channels within that, but we cannot zoom into you know, our business exactly. This is a growth beyond. But that being said, I would say with the growth we have had in U.S., we have slightly underperformed in the market, and it is back to the slower start also in U.S., but we have seen improved run rate also in our U.S. business during the quarter, so in a much better place now than when we started the year.

And then the strategic review, as soon as we conclude on it, meaning what direction it will take, we will communicate. We'll not sit on that information, of course; it will just go out. And yes, we expect to be able to do that before the end of the first half.

Christian Ryom
Head Of Equity Research Denmark, Danske Bank

Okay. Thank you very much. And if I may just quickly, do you have an explanation for the underperformance in the U.S. market for the hearing care business? Anything specific you can point to, whether it being managed care strategy for the retail business or something else?

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

No, I think it is, honestly, a little bit like I alluded to, a little too thin a pipeline. Maybe we got a little more out towards the end of last year and therefore, a little less to do the very first days in the new year. That's some of the things we have seen around the world, but it's that kind of timing. We have again seen also in U.S., an improvement of the business by business day during the quarter.

Christian Ryom
Head Of Equity Research Denmark, Danske Bank

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Oliver Metzger with ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Oliver Metzger
Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Yeah, good morning from my side. Two questions I have. First, can you quantify the effect of lower sales to large account and whether you consider the volatility apart from managed care, more temporary, which means a recovery within a few quarters? Also, potentially in this context, comment on your expectations for NHS for the next quarters. Second, is on French hearing aid market. Can you provide an update, whether also your expectations for the next quarters have come down a bit? Thank you.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Yeah. You know, it's very difficult then to guide exactly by channel. We will not do that. But yes, I believe that the larger account will see some improvements during the rest of the year. The managed care, exactly how that's gonna play out by quarter, I will not comment on. We expect to grow share in managed care from this point and onwards, on a runway basis, but exactly the timing of it, I would be a little cautious, and of course, comps are different, potentially for a period.

NHS, there has been some reduction of inventory that's kind of a one-off effect, but there's also a little bit between the government system, also, you know, fitting at the hospitals and the private market, where our mainstream lies with the hospitals and lesser extent with the private market. And it seems like a bigger share of patients these days are being fitted in private clinics, the NHS products being fitted by partners. So exactly where that's heading, don't know, but in general, I expect the NHS to be up in capacity and see the Q1 things as an element of one-off. And then French market at the end, you know, we believe in flattish for the year, and there's no reason to change that.

The beginning was slightly negative, and that means that you could say our expectations toward the end of the year will be slightly positive.

Oliver Metzger
Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Veronika Dubajova with Citi. Please go ahead.

Veronika Dubajova
Managing Director and Head of Medical Technology and Healthcare Services Research, Citi

Hi, guys. Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. I have three, please. One is just a clarification, Søren, on your comments around the EBIT phasing. I'm just gonna ask the question plainly, if that's okay. Would you expect your first half EBIT to be flat, up or down at this stage? If you can help us think through that, that'd be great. My second question is just your thoughts on the uptake of Intent versus Real, and, you know, if you can draw some parallels or comparisons, do you think Intent is tracking in line with Real, behind or ahead? And my final question is just your updated thoughts on the competitive picture in Costco and whether you are seeing any signs whatsoever of a potential change there. Thank you.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Yeah, thank you very much, Veronika. No, we don't guide on a half year profitability. We can say second half will be bigger than first half, and I think that's as far as we can take it. Intent have seen a very nice from the very beginning, uptake compared to Real. You should be totally transparent, say we also have one more price point, but even when corrected for that, the uptake is good and solid. And remembering the movement and challenge with the independent, we have really seen a strong uptake and are very comfortable. We look at a good, strong success here, and we look forward to, after May, June, to see how it's also hopefully and assumably gonna grow our share in the VA channel.

In Costco, no news. It's a stable business. Again, the only thing to comment is, remember, when you look at the phasing of the year, mid-year, last year, we gave a price reduction. So there is, of course, an ASP decline in the first half of the year. And we have also during last year, nothing happened lately, but during last year, seen what I would call a little bit of normalization of the share between the players in Costco. We benefited strongly over the winter and were, what I would call, fast out of the gate, with when the Kirkland Signature was stopped, and probably had a disproportionately high benefit in the beginning of that new period.

I think that's it, what I can comment to Costco.

Veronika Dubajova
Managing Director and Head of Medical Technology and Healthcare Services Research, Citi

Okay, thanks so much.

Operator

... And the next question comes from Falko Friedrichs with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Falko Friedrichs
Director of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Hey, thank you for taking my questions. Firstly, on the U.S. consumer, how would you characterize the situation there right now? We've seen a little bit of weakness in other MedTech subsegments in the U.S. So, what gives you confidence that the U.S. consumer will continue to show robust demand throughout the year? And in that regard, can you remind us briefly what your growth expectation was for the U.S. market this year? And then my second question on China, just whether you notice any green shoots there, whether sort of certain pockets of the market are getting a little bit better, or whether that's something that we shouldn't really expect this year. Thank you.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Yeah, thank you very much. In general, I think, maybe just from traveling in the U.S., I must say, generally speaking, I find the consumer to be in good shape in the U.S., and we have not seen any negative impact. I'm not sure what you refer to on healthcare in general. Maybe it's more the actual spend and support from government that have made some constraints. When you see VA growing less, we definitely hear that there is constraints on rehiring and so on. Also, you know, broadly across the VA system, also impacting fitting of veterans with hearing aids negatively. There's simply a number of open positions that they are not allowed to fill, so much more on that side than general.

And therefore, expectations for the year, we don't comment on the years individually by markets, but in general, we anticipate U.S. will have a normal development, which would normally mean 5%-6%. But yes, they've had a very good start, and we'll see how that phases during the year. It's not that the Q1 last year was particularly weak, on the contrary. So the U.S. market is in good shape, and maybe we are finally seeing things catch off after COVID. I don't know, but for sure, growth is good. China, very difficult. We don't have any statistics by region or anything that can tell us whether there are some areas that open up or not.

And again, remember, China is a very immature emerging market, where hearing aids is basically all private pay, and therefore it is quite sensitive to job situation, et cetera. So, yeah, it will always be more volatile.

Falko Friedrichs
Director of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from David Adlington with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

David Adlington
Managing Director and Head of European Medtech and Services Research, JPMorgan

Hey, guys, thanks for the question. Maybe just on France, you mentioned a slower market, but also a slower conversion rate. Maybe just give us some extra color in terms of what's happening on the conversion rates and how you plan to address that. Thanks.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

I think it's quite simple, actually. When a market contract a little bit, you just push harder to try to generate traffic. And if you generate it, it is seen before that then you also end up attracting people that fundamentally don't have a hearing loss. And that's not an abnormal trend, that when you push a little harder, you also get a little less quality in, and that's basically what we what this reflects. So it's just words around the soft start and that this is, in our opinion, primarily market driven and not to do with our performance in particular.

David Adlington
Managing Director and Head of European Medtech and Services Research, JPMorgan

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

And the next question comes from Martin Parkhøi with SEB. Please go ahead.

Martin Parkhøi
Head of Equity Research Denmark, SEB

Yes, thank you. Just a one follow-up question to Søren. Søren, you mentioned in the report that you believe you gained market share in the independent channel sequentially. So I guess that then you, then you also have a view on how much the independent channel are growing. So, so what kind of growth rates do you see, specifically independent channel now? And you can choose quarter-over-quarter or year-on-year, whatever you like.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Yeah, I think the only comment I have to that is that to our best insight, in U.S., you have seen an equal development in U.S. across channel between managed care and cash pay. And I think that that tells that there is some maturity and some you know growth as well in the independent channel, cash pay element of it. Of course, in the rest of the world, you could say U.K., where NHS is down, then the private market assumably have also grown. But for the rest of the markets, I don't see any particular channel shifts. So other than those two, I wouldn't highlight any that really moves between the channels. So the independent have grown from a market point of view, in line with the market growth rates.

Martin Parkhøi
Head of Equity Research Denmark, SEB

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Martin Brenøe with Nordea. Please go ahead.

Martin Brenøe
Associate Director, Nordea

Hi, Søren and René. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two questions, if I may, and I'll take them one by one, please. The first question would be the implicit guidance, and maybe you can correct me if I'm not doing the math correctly here. But in the high end of the guidance, you are basically guiding for around 10% organic growth, so double-digit organic growth. Can you maybe help me understand how you get that confidence. Is there anything that you see in the current trading, or is there any other building blocks that I should understand? That would be my first question. Thank you.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Yeah, I think you should look at channels where our new products have not yet been introduced as one. VA, Costco also not yet introduced. That's definitely part of, you know, if that goes very well, then we will be in the high end. It's the timing of, you could say, growing share in managed care is obviously also a significant element. The continued development with some of the larger accounts, how that's playing out. And then, of course, underlying market growth, I would say, particularly in Europe, how that's going, that can quickly lift and boost the business. So those are some of the elements in the high end.

And then, of course, the fundamental performance run rate in hearing care, which, as we have said, is up, and with that, also some timing of holidays, et cetera, which will drive a stronger organic growth ahead of us than in first quarter. So yeah, it's the some of the above that, of course, can take us in the upper end of the range, which, yes, mathematically leads to a 10% organic growth for the business in the last three quarters.

Martin Brenøe
Associate Director, Nordea

Okay. That's very clear. Thank you. And the second question is actually for René. I guess, you can also try if you want to. But, on the share buyback, you do almost DKK 750 million in Q1. And that's quite ahead of what we would expect if you were going to do share buybacks of around DKK 2 billion. Is this the run rate we should anticipate for the rest of the year, or is there any considerations we should take into account? Thank you.

René Schneider
CFO, Demant

Yeah. So first of all, the guidance is not around DKK 2 billion, it is at least DKK 2 billion. So we are likely gonna end a little above the DKK 2 billion as per the run rate currently. And no, there's no particular view to the run rate going forward, other than for the full year, we aim to end somewhat above the DKK 2 billion.

Martin Brenøe
Associate Director, Nordea

Okay. Is there anything in terms of leverage that you need to take into account here, or should we just expect this sort of trajectory unless any major acquisitions come down?

René Schneider
CFO, Demant

Yeah, well, we know the acquisition level will be above the normal, given what we have already concluded on so far this year. It could be, say, double the normal. Normally, we guide DKK 600 million-DKK 800 million. This year, it could be around the double of that. But as you know, share buyback is triangulated between acquisition, operating profit and cash flow generation. So it's something that we calibrate along the way during the year. And we need to just, you can say, end within our guidance range of DKK 2 billion-DKK 2.5 billion, and we are in good shape when it comes to that.

Martin Brenøe
Associate Director, Nordea

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Søren Nielsen
President and CEO, Demant

Perfect. Thank you so much, operator, and thanks to everybody for joining the call. If you have any further questions, you know how to reach us, and we look forward to seeing a lot of you on the road in the coming weeks. Have a good rest of the day. Thank you.

Powered by