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Earnings Call: Q4 2018

Feb 21, 2019

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Good morning, everybody, and thank you for listening in on our earnings call this morning. My name is Søren Skou. I am the CEO of A.P. Moller - Maersk, and I am joined here today by Claus Hemmingsen, our Vice CEO, Carolina Dybeck Happe, our CFO, Vincent Clerc, Chief Commercial Officer, and Søren Toft, Chief Operating Officer. I invite you, as always, just to look at the disclaimer around forward-looking statements. Moving into the report, I will start with the transformation update. 2018 was a year where we made significant progress on the journey to become a completely different company. We have gone from being a conglomerate operating eight different divisions with a big corporate layer on top, to now being organized as one company with one frontline organization for our ocean and logistic service businesses. That means one sales force, one customer service function, one delivery organization.

We have also, during 2018, successfully integrated our big acquisition from late 2017, Hamburg Süd, and delivered the synergies from that transaction better than planned. We have come far on our digitization journey to the point that in ocean, the customers' transactions with us are now largely digitized. More than around 90% of all prices are now issued via our website. We have almost 100% of all bookings are received in an electronic form, and so on and so forth. We made serious progress there. Also, during the year, we regained our position as one of the most reliable carriers in the industry. We did a number of investments in terms of customer service and solving certain issues, longstanding issues with invoice quality. All of that meant that we left the year with the best customer satisfaction scores on record.

Finally, I want to say that in going forward, we will be introducing these four metrics that you see on the right, that we will report on every single quarter to really give you some guidance other than the financial results on where are we in our transformation journey. We will focus on growth in the non-ocean. In 2018, comp was a 5.5% growth. We will focus on logistics and services GP growth. It was a 5.6% improvement last year. We will focus on finalizing the synergies that we have previously communicated around from integrating the company and from the acquisition of Hamburg Süd. Together, they add up to about a billion. We will continue to measure on that.

We are introducing the new metric, cash return on invested capital, to really demonstrate that we are moving forward with a very, very strong capital discipline and with the aim of generating real cash returns. Our long-term return on invested capital target of 8.5% stands, but it becomes 7.5% when we include the effects of IFRS 16. Moving on to the energy separation. Last year, we also made significant progress there. As you all know, we separated out Maersk Oil in a transaction with Total in March of 2018. We have been selling shares in Total in the last year and this year, and we currently hold around 28 million shares with a value of DKK 1.6 billion in Total. We have also decided and announced last year that we are going to demerge Maersk Drilling and list it on the Copenhagen Stock Exchange.

As you all this morning, we have now made that official, if you will, by announcing our intention to float. We expect to sign the final papers in the beginning of March and make the transaction effective as of April 4th, 2019, assuming that the transaction gets approved by the annual general meeting on April 2nd. We are still looking for solutions for our supply service. We remain challenged by the market conditions, but we are sure that at some point, we'll find a solution. With the transaction of Maersk Drilling, we will have done oil and energy transactions for more than $12 billion to separate out these businesses and had a cash flow of close to $9 billion from that.

We are planning to disclose further details about our capital structure, about new dividend policy, and about plans for distribution of a material part of the proceeds from the sale of Maersk Oil latest in connection with our Q2 announcement in August. Moving on to transport and logistics. We have a 2018 result which can be characterized by the following. It was a year where we delivered very strong growth. We added $8 billion to the top line, of course, very much driven by the acquisition of Hamburg Süd, but we also delivered good organic growth. It means that now since 2016, where we started on this journey, we have added about $12 billion of turnover.

With $39 billion of turnover in 2018, we now have a higher turnover than we had in 2016, where we included also the oil and energy-related businesses. We did not make the progress that we had expected on our operating earnings. We delivered $3.8 billion, up from $3.5 billion last year and $2.5 billion in 2016. We had expected better progress during the year, a number of factors impacted us negatively. Most importantly, the fuel price increased a lot, we were not able to fully compensate for that. We have delivered well on the synergies from Hamburg Süd, $420 million, we also continue to progress on the transport and logistics synergies. Cash flow improved. We had a cash conversion of 85%. It would have been 90% if it was not because of a one-time special effect from a change in Danish tax laws.

We also were able to reduce the net interest-bearing debt quite significantly during 2018, by about DKK 6 billion to DKK 8.7 billion, we are continuing to reduce net interest-bearing debt in the first months of 2018 as we have sold Total shares. We are proposing an ordinary dividend of DKK 150 per share. That's equal to approximately half a billion DKK for 2018. As I already said, we will come back in connection with our Q2 interim report on what's next step in terms of proceeds from the sale of Maersk Oil and a dividend policy that is fit for purpose for the new company. Our guidance for 2019 is an EBITDA of $5 billion, including the effects of IFRS 16, which equals to around $1 billion. Our guidance is very much focused on a number of uncertainties that we see.

We see clearly a global economic growth that is declining. We see weaknesses, in particular China and Europe. We are expecting container demand to decline to 1%-3% this year from 3.7, 3.8 last year. As a result of that, on top of that, we have quite some uncertainty as to what happens with fuel prices. They have gone up quite a lot in the last months or so. Then finally, we will be, as an industry, implementing IMO 2020 towards the end of the year, which will, all things equal, also mean a significant increase in fuel prices. In terms of trade war, of course, we also are concerned about continued high level of tensions on the trade agenda.

U.S.-China negotiations are ongoing, and we have no insights as to how likely it is that a deal will be landed, even if the press is positive right now. We don't believe that a China-U.S. deal will be the last we have heard about trade tensions in 2019, because there's also clearly an outstanding discussion between Europe and the U.S. That's really the background for our guidance for 2019. With that, I will turn over to Carolina Dybeck Happe.

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Thank you, Søren, I will turn to our financials for fourth quarter in 2018. Our revenue increased mainly due to the acquisition of Hamburg Süd, but also excluding Hamburg Süd, the growth in revenue was 9.3%. Due to strong focus on profitability in the Ocean segment, our EBITDA improved 32% in the fourth quarter of 2018, we are reporting the highest EBITDA margin in Ocean throughout the year. EBIT was DKK 219 million, down from DKK 273 million, this was negatively impacted from higher depreciations and amortizations, as well as impairments related to our MCI and RoRo business in a total of DKK 156 million. Underlying profit in the continuing business was DKK 120 million, which is an improvement from Q4 last year of DKK 36 million. Remember that we reported for the full year 2018 an underlying profit of DKK 220 million.

For the CapEx, in the fourth quarter, gross CapEx amounted to DKK 587 million, which takes us to the total of DKK 2.9 billion for the year, slightly below our guidance of DKK 3 billion. Despite postponing DKK 100 million of CapEx from 2018 to 2019, we have lowered our expectations for gross CapEx for 2019 to around DKK 2.2 billion from previously to DKK 2.5 billion range. The lower CapEx is due to our focus on CapEx discipline, I would like to repeat that we will not be ordering any new large vessels until at earliest 2020 and no new greenfield projects in the terminal business in the foreseeable future.

We have also started leasing more containers instead of buying them, as we disclosed in the half-year report, and with our expected market outlook lowered to 1%-3% for 2019 and our expectations to grow in line with the market in our Ocean segments, this naturally leads to lower CapEx requirements. The current contractual capital commitments, that is the CapEx that we have already contractually committed ourselves to spend, is $2.3 billion at the end of the year, which is actually $1.5 billion lower than it was going out of 2017. That leaves us with a high degree of flexibility. The remaining commitments primarily relates to remaining six vessels that will be delivered until half year 2019 and some terminal concessions. Moving then to the cash flow development. Here we have split the slide into two graphs, one for the full year 2018 and one for the fourth quarter.

Operating cash flow increased slightly to $3.225 billion for the full 2018, and that reflects the cash conversion of 85% for the year and adjusted for the VAT scheme that Søren mentioned, we are above 90% for that. The cash flow for operations was negatively impacted by a net working capital increase, and that was mainly due to the increased bunker price, which then of course meant that our inventories or the value of our inventories in Ocean increased. Free cash flow for the full year 2018 was $4.2 billion, that includes the $3 billion from the share or the sale of the share in Total. $349 million was generated from the continuing business, and the rest is from dividends received as well as cash from divestments. For the fourth quarter in 2018, we generated a free cash flow of close to $3 billion.

Of that, $758 million was generated from operations and $1.8 billion from the sale of the shares in Total. Here we had a very high cash conversion of 121% in the quarter. Should remember though that the 2017 number is excluding the Hamburg Süd acquisition, but it includes $0.9 billion from the sale of the remaining shares in Dansk Supermarked and around another $300 million from the sale of other businesses. Since the end of Q4 2018, we have sold around 18.4 million shares in Total SE, that generates a cash flow of around $1 billion, which means we have around $1.5 billion left, in value at the current share price. Moving on then to the balance sheet and the huge deleveraging that we have seen during the year. The net interest-bearing debt decreased from $14.8 billion to $8.7 billion, so a big reduction of over $6 billion.

The reduction has been supported by the $3.2 billion related to the sale of the shares, and the dividends from Total, as well as the $2 billion in cash from the sale of Maersk Oil and $1.2 billion in cash proceeds from the separation of Maersk Drilling. Remember that the net debt will actually increase with the same amount of around $6 billion due to the adoption of IFRS 16. Basically, we'll be back where we started, but that's from a technical point of view. On this slide, we have summarized the consolidated financial information. I have touched most of the lines. A comment to the financial cost in the fourth quarter, we were lower than last year, and that is due to the impact from the dividend that we received from the Total shares.

Within that, we had interest increases, though, and some one-off cost related to prepayments of debt. Tax payments also have increased in Q4 2018, but that is mainly due to the high tax that we paid on the dividends from the Total share. Overall, adjusting from the impairment, the restructuring costs and the like, we end at an underlying profit of DKK 120 million for the fourth quarter and DKK 220 million for the full year 2018. Next slide shows what IFRS 16 does to us, and we have implemented it as of January 2019, and here you can see the comparison on how the 2018 financials would have looked like, assuming we had included the standard already in 2018 for your comparability. EBITDA will be significantly higher as expenses related to operating leases longer than 12 months are no longer included.

For 2018, EBITDA technically will increase with DKK 1.2 billion to DKK 5 billion from the DKK 3.8 billion. Net profit will decrease slightly due to the increased depreciation impacting EBIT and higher financial expenses. As a consequence of the implementation of IFRS 16, as I mentioned, our net debt will also increase to DKK 6 billion from the DKK 8.7 billion to DKK 14.7 billion. ROIC increases slightly to the level of one or somewhere between one and one and a half for 2018 from 0.8. However, going forward, it will dilute ROIC on a general basis, and that's why we are lowering our ROIC target from 8.5% to now be a long-term target of 7.5%. The guidance for 2019 is based upon IFRS 16 and from Q1 2019, the guidance will only be provided based on the new IFRS 16 accounting rules.

There are more details related to the impact for each of the segments that you can see in our full year report on page 15 to 16. With that, I will hand the microphone over to Vincent.

Vincent Clerc
Chief Commercial Officer, Maersk Line

Thank you. Thank you, Carolina. In Ocean, our revenue grew both including and excluding Hamburg Süd and this had, of course, a positive reflection on our EBITDA, which increased 50% compared to the same quarter a year ago. Our EBITDA margin has improved by 2.4% to 12.7% in Q4 2018. A big contributor to that increase was the increase we had in other revenue, mainly demurrage and detention income from our customers. Compared to Q4 last year, the freight rates increased by 9.3%, and that was mainly driven by a strong recovery on east-west trades, where we saw a recovery both on Asia-Europe and the Pacific, and especially on the Pacific, where the strong volumes were supported by a pre-tariff rush that we saw throughout the trade for most of the quarter. The north-south trade also saw some recovery and grew by 6.4%, while the intra-regional trades increased by 14%.

The inclusion of Hamburg Süd affected the average freight rate positively, especially in the intra-regional trades, where you can see the difference compared to a year ago on the intra Latin America. The increase was partly due to the implementation and the continued application of our emergency bunker surcharge, which was implemented over the summer. Excluding the positive effect of higher rates from Hamburg Süd, who also comes into the portfolio mix with higher unit costs, our rates were up by 7% compared to the same quarter of last year, which on a standalone was more than enough to compensate for the fuel increases we faced in the quarter over a year ago. If we exclude the Hamburg Süd, the volumes declined by 1.1%, which is lower than the estimated market growth we have of 3%.

This decline happened mostly in backhaul trades, 3.5%, and was also the effect of some capacity rationalization adjustments we implemented throughout the quarter as we focused on restoring margins in the segment. On an annual basis, the volumes excluding Hamburg Süd grew by 2.5%, which was in line with the guidance we had provided of growing slightly below the market for this year, and mainly to focus on profitability and to lower our exposure to some of the trades where we could not make positive return. With this, I'm going to hand it over to Søren Toft.

Søren Toft
COO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Thank you, Vincent. Quickly progressing on the cost side and unit cost of fixed bunker and fixed rate of exchange increased half a percent year-on-year. Of course, the full year to full year pro forma development is significantly affected by the very poor start that we had in quarter one of 2018, as we still had a lot of the existing operational agreements from Hamburg Süd in effect. The following three quarters, we have improved performance significantly, and in Q4, we also improved by 1.8% versus quarter three, and that despite, as Vincent mentioned, the much weaker volumes. Q4 2017 versus Q4 2018, the unit cost did increase 1.9% without the adjustments that we normally do for the Hamburg Süd mix and the FX.

Just to be upfront, due to the inclusion of Hamburg Süd and since their tramp activities, in fact also sat in the ocean segment in quarter four of 2017, we are unable to give specific mix effects on the quarter four on quarter four developments. Also, you should bear in mind that last quarter four 2017 was impacted by a number of significant one-offs, for instance, tax release provisions. On fuel cost, we continued the progress that we have showed the last several quarters where of course the cost increased due to the price year-on-year, but our efficiency improved nearly 10%, also due to initiatives from the Hamburg Süd acquisition and the network synergies. If we go to the next slide and continue about network, average capacity quarter four over quarter four increased 7.4%, while volumes increased 11% in the same period.

Average capacity in Q4 '18 was in line with Q3 '18. That is despite sailing a number of additional one-off trips to cater for the U.S. peak, and despite having added five to seven ships for significant congestion, especially in Nigeria. For 2019, on a like-for-like basis, capacity will be flat compared to the second half of 2018. When we include impact from already announced slow steaming initiatives and the effect of the temporary scrubber installation, we expect capacity will slightly increase year-on-year to the tune of 1%-2%. Remember, the scrubber effect is a temporary thing, and obviously, capacities for slow steaming are decisions that are helping both the product that we offer to our customers, as well as the cost position that we have.

If we then go to the next slide, as Søren Skou mentioned, we believe the Hamburg Süd integration has gone really well. We've kept the full customer base. The integration has happened without basically any client disruptions and positive client satisfaction. Synergies are coming in ahead of the plan. For 2018, we have delivered DKK 420 million, and we realized integration cost of DKK 60 million. That's well below the recent estimate we gave you. Synergies are, of course, benefiting the ocean segment, mainly due to more efficient network and better supplier contracts, but they are also significantly benefiting the terminal and towage segment due to more profitable volumes. The Q4 EBITDA pro forma that we come out with in Hamburg Süd is DKK 204 million versus DKK 148 in Q3 '18, again, mainly from both better freight rates and the fully realized synergies.

For 2019, we maintain minimum DKK 500 million of synergies, and we're now updating you on a slightly lower integration cost expectation of around DKK 50 million. I'll hand the word over to Vincent for logistics and services.

Vincent Clerc
Chief Commercial Officer, Maersk Line

Thank you. Now turning our attention to our second segment here, logistics and services. We saw a revenue increase of 2% to DKK 1.557 billion, compared to DKK 1.527 billion last year. This was positively impacted by the activity growth that we have in intermodal and inland activities, as well as supply chain management, but was impacted negatively also by the continued weeding of our non-profitable or less profitable business in freight forwarding, and here under especially air, where we have a strong drive to concentrate on margin generation rather than top line and volumes. EBITDA was negatively impacted by a restructuring cost of DKK 20 million as an effect of the merging that we effectuated of the frontline organizations between Damco and Maersk Line, and a maintenance cost expense of DKK 20 million for the Star Air fleet.

EBITDA adjusted for the restructuring cost is still at an unsatisfactory 1.2% for the quarter. Adjusting further for the maintenance to have a more like-for-like comparison with the previous years, the EBITDA is actually in line with what we expected for now. On the next slide, we can see some of the highlights that I touched upon previously with our SCM volumes growing by 7.3% for the quarter, which is both a reflection of the very strong Pacific volumes we saw during the quarter as we talked about the pre-tariff rush here in the fourth quarter, also the implementation of new customers and new wins from our pipeline throughout the year. Gross profit for the segment improved 1.5%, supported by these volumes in SCM, also increase in warehousing and distribution, especially in the U.S., and also, as I mentioned, inland activities.

Margins in air and ocean increased by 3.3% and 39% respectively, mainly due to the continuous focus on margin. This came at the expense of volumes to a large extent as we really focused on margins and of course, had an impact on our top line. Our EBIT conversion ratio was -5.9% versus 9.2% positive in Q4 2017, while adjusting for restructuring costs and the conversion ratio would've been 1.5%, which is disappointing, and that we'll work hard on with the new organization set up now to improve profitability with the several initiatives that we're taking in this field right now. Let me hand over to Søren now to talk about terminal and towage.

Søren Toft
COO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

In the terminal and towage segment, we are pleased with the progress. Revenue grew 14% quarter four 2018 over quarter four 2017. The gateway terminals increased both revenue and EBITDA, while the towage business faced some headwinds due to price pressures and currency developments. In the gateway terminals, EBITDA continued to improve significantly, mainly due to the strong growth in volumes ahead of the market. In fact, in the last 12 months, EBITDA and gateways have increased 21% from these stronger volumes. Very close collaboration between Maersk Line and APM Terminals, Hamburg Süd synergies, and obviously also VSA partners moving volumes into APM Terminals.

If we look a little bit closer at the details, the volume development is so that we grew 15% quarter-on-quarter, 14% from the external customers, the VSA customers, and 18% from the ocean segment, significantly above the market, both for the quarter and obviously also for the year. Revenue per move was up 4.4%. That's mainly due to high activity in North America and Latin America, offset partly by unfavorable rate of exchange. Cost per move was up 5.8%, also mainly due to more volumes in the high-cost terminals, also congestion that we experienced in especially New York and Los Angeles. In the towage segment, the harbor towage job increased nearly 6%, again, here, revenue was impacted by currency and quite a number of price pressure in mature markets.

If I continue with the manufacturing segment, the brief story here is that MCI's revenue decreased quarter four over quarter four 2017 from DKK 247 million to DKK 215 million, mainly because of lower dry volumes and significant price pressure on dry business. We have, as a consequence of that, as you know, decided to close the dry factory and focus MCI for the future strategically fully on the reefer business and cold chain services. EBITDA in MCI was slightly below Q4. Reefer pulled up. In the other businesses, which now also included the Hamburg Süd tramp, revenue was significantly up, but EBITDA negative due to the very poor bulker fundamentals. We have announced the sale of the bulk segment. It'll be closing somewhere in early Q2 2019. I'll give the word to Claus Hemmingsen.

Claus Hemmingsen
Vice CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Thank you, Søren. If you turn to page 25, we'll talk a little bit about the Maersk Drilling. As Søren already said, the board of directors have today decided to pursue a demerger of A.P. Moller - Maersk and a listing of Maersk Drilling. The anticipation is that we will, on 4th of March, sign and issue the demerger documents in order to propose to the Annual General Meeting, sorry, on the 2nd of April, that the shareholders approve a demerger. That means that the shareholders of today will also be the shareholders of tomorrow after the demerger in Maersk Drilling.

I think the important thing here is that the board of directors intends to propose a single share class, so no A and B share structure, but shares that will have equal voting rights, and it's going to be on a pro-rata basis so that the shareholders of A.P. Moller - Maersk will receive equal shares in Maersk Drilling.

As Søren mentioned, the first day of trading is anticipated to be the 4th of April, subject to the AGM approval. It's also noted that APM Holding has agreed to a 360 days lock-up period for their shareholding, but also have signaled their intent to be a long-term shareholder. I will just refer to that Maersk Drilling will hold their capital markets day on the 25th of February, where a lot of details will be available to investors. I'll just say here that it's a very strong and well-reputed company. They are serving the most demanding customers that are amongst the biggest companies in the world. They come out with a very strong contract backlog, $2.5 billion, which is unique in the market, and with a very good financial fundamentals of a net interest-bearing debt of just short of $1.1 billion.

If you turn to page 26, just briefly on Maersk Drilling's 2018 report. It was issued on the 7th of February in detail. It's a revenue of DKK 336 million and an EBITDA of DKK 139 million, slightly lower than last year, impacted by the expiry of legacy contracts. The forward contract coverage for 2019 is 63%, and as I just mentioned, they hold one of the highest backlogs in the industry. Maersk Drilling have issued a guidance for 2019 that they expect an EBITDA before special items around DKK 400 million. Expectations is thereby in 2019 below 2018, and that is primarily due to the increased number of yard stays that is necessary to keep the rigs within the special surveys. They happen to fall between 7 and 10 rigs in 2019.

Capital expenditures are expected to be in the range of DKK 300 million to DKK 350 million, mainly comprising of the rig upgrades and yard stays just referred to. If you turn to page 27 for Maersk Supply Service, they reported a decline in revenue of 5%, reflecting lower day rates and expiry of also legacy contracts. EBITDA was negative DKK 4 million and impacted by increased project cost and of course also by the expiry of contracts. Maersk Supply Service have taken delivery of their final new building here on 14th of February, and that completes the CapEx new building program for Maersk Supply Service for now. We are still working on finding structural solutions for Maersk Supply Service, and I'm confident that we will find a solution for Maersk Supply Service going forward. With these brief words, I'll hand the microphone back to Carolina, who will cover guidance.

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Thank you, Claus. To the guidance for 2019. A.P. Moller - Maersk expects an EBITDA of around $5 billion for 2019, and that is including the effects from IFRS 16. This is equivalent to around DKK 4 billion excluding the IFRS effect. The organic volume growth in Ocean is expected to be in line with the estimated average market growth of 1%-3% for 2019. As we currently see uncertainties related to the market outlook related to weaker global economic growth, just to mention Brexit, weaker growth in China, risk in emerging markets and other things that Søren mentioned in the beginning of this call as well.

Please remember, as you can see from the sensitivity table, the volatility related to changes in freight rates continues to be high and impacts EBITDA by around DKK 1.4 billion if average freight rates increase by DKK 100 per FFE, which is equivalent of a change of 5%. Guidance on gross capital expenditure, CapEx, is around DKK 2.2 billion, and we do expect a high cash conversion also for 2019. With that, we will open up for Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. The session will end no later than 12:00. If you do have a question, please press zero and then one on your telephone keypad and you will enter a queue. After you are announced, please ask your question. Please limit yourself to two questions at a time. There will be a brief pause while questions are being registered. The first question is from the line of Patrick Creuset. Please go ahead, your line is now open. It looks like we have lost connection to the line of Patrick Creuset, so our next question is from the line of Casper Blom from ABG Sundal Collier. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Casper Blom
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Thank you very much. I will take the opportunity to ask two questions, and I will ask them one at a time so you do not have to write down too much. I would like to start with your guidance. You mentioned that you expect the market to grow by 1%-3% this year. I suppose that is also what is the sort of background for the guidance. Could you elaborate a bit that the around DKK 4 billion of guidance under the old accounting principle, DKK 5 billion under the new, is that then equivalent to the market growing 2%? How should we sort of see that range, so to say?

Vincent Clerc
Chief Commercial Officer, Maersk Line

Yes. Vincent here. Casper, we have an expectations now for a market growing around these 2%, as you mentioned, and our volume expectations are in line with that. I think what is important to understand is really the variance that there is around that number, given the high uncertainties that there is. That is why I think it is really important to understand the leverage of 5% change in freight rate has a huge impact, as Carolina just outlined. I think the guidance reflects the high level of uncertainty around trade, around macro environment, around the implementation of the IMO 2020 at the end of the year, the volatility we have seen in fuel price. These are all factors that can swing and have a massive impact, as we have seen some of them play out in 2018.

Casper Blom
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

If I may follow up then, is it a fair interpretation that given that you will have some things helping you in 2019, for example, the synergies that you mentioned previously, I also suppose you would want to have lower unit costs in 2019, that you are implicitly guiding for freight rates that are lower in 2019 than in 2018.

Vincent Clerc
Chief Commercial Officer, Maersk Line

Obviously. First of all, the unit cost we're guiding on is at fixed fuel price. I think what is really important to remember is exactly this background of trade tensions, macro weakness, and volatility in fuel price. That will eventually play out on a freight rate play, which we don't really know how it's going to shape up at this stage.

Casper Blom
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Okay. My second question, more sort of regarding the state of things as it is right now. Could you give any comment to the fact that rates have actually sort of looks from the outside, at least, to have started at fairly good levels here in 2019, and maybe also a bit of commentary to sort of the recontract negotiations you've had around New Year's. Thank you.

Vincent Clerc
Chief Commercial Officer, Maersk Line

Yes. I think it's, as you rightfully point out, the rates ended up the year of 2018, and we can see it here and with this even cleaned up for the impact of Hamburg Süd 7% year-on-year growth, in freight rates. We have ended the year in a much better shape than we ended the previous year. That obviously means a better environment to start the year into and a better environment to negotiate contracts into. We are about halfway through the contracting season. We have done basically Asian and European customers, and I would say that the rates we're contracting at are also in line with a better climate to negotiate those. We still have the entire North American portfolio to go through because those are effective from 1st of May.

I just want to remind you also that half of our business is actually short-term business that we renegotiate either monthly or weekly, and that's really where a lot of the risk, even after the contracting season is done, a lot of the risk is going to play out because it's a significant part of our business and it's an extremely volatile part of the business.

Casper Blom
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

That's very clear. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Robert Johnson from Exane BNP Paribas. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Robert Johnson
Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas

Good morning, everybody. I also have two questions. I'll do them one at a time as well. If we just start off with the EBITDA guidance, and sorry to repeat the point, but it is obviously the main discussion topic from this morning. If we look at the numbers, including the impact of IFRS 16, the run rate EBITDA coming out of 2018 is around DKK 5.7 billion, just based on the Q4 result, which is obviously materially higher than the DKK 5 billion guidance. You've just referenced that unit costs are improving. Freight rates have started 2019 at a higher level than 2018. You've also just confirmed that contract rates have been maybe a little bit more favorable than 2018 as well. Those factors would suggest EBITDA increasing in 2019 rather than declining, at least versus the run rate.

Could you maybe just help us to reconcile those factors with the DKK 5 billion guidance? For example, are there any buffers factored into the guidance related to the uncertainties for 2019 that you mentioned earlier in the call?

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Carolina here. I would say that all of what you mentioned is true, there still are big uncertainties in the world, I think we're going to have to come back to that. The uncertainties, that's why we guide for the 1%-3% for 2019. It's significantly down from 2018. We have China slowdown. We have Brexit, hard or not. We have the weaker economic outlook. We talked about the bunker price fluctuations. It is difficult to predict the movements. We have a risk on the timing and the impact on the rates. I would say in an environment with weaker demand and still inflow of large vessels, we have the implementation of the IMO 2020, which will most likely impact the second half of 2019 with idling, scrapping, fuel prices, what have you.

We also should remember that the ocean performance was strong in the second half of 2018, where we had a sort of an increase in average freight rates, more than compensated for the increase in fuel prices. If you look at the comps, we will also have tough comps in the second half of 2019.

Robert Johnson
Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas

Okay. Thank you. Just the second question, hopefully a quick one. You've mentioned before about holding capacity flat at around about the current level of 4 million TEUs. Could you maybe just comment on how much additional volume can be handled while holding capacity constant at around the current level? Thank you.

Søren Toft
COO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Søren Toft here. I think we have given the answer already by saying that like-for-like capacity will be flat, we expect to grow in the 1%-3% range for the year. That would be the starting point. Thank you.

Robert Johnson
Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Dan Togel from Carnegie. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Dan Togel
Analyst, Carnegie

Yes, thank you. Two questions from me as well. First one is, in Q4, you, Vincent, mentioned that the VSAs and the merge was a positive here and a bit higher in previous quarters as well, or at least it has been fairly high. Is this sustainable, and can you give some color on that? How should we look at this going into 2019? That's the first question.

Vincent Clerc
Chief Commercial Officer, Maersk Line

I think there are three things to build into that. Two of them are sustainable and one is not. One is part of the synergies we report with Hamburg Süd is actually that they have been able to increase their collection in the course of the year. That is something that we expect to remain a feature of Hamburg Süd going forward. The other thing is actually the collection from Maersk, from its customers, has actually increased. We have toughened up a lot of our policies in that field and have been able to also increase the revenues that we gain per FFE under other revenues there, so that we expect to come as well.

Another factor has been some of the congestions that Søren Toft mentioned on the terminal and towage, which was specifically in the U.S. with the pre-tariff rush, where the customers had a hard time getting delivery and processing all the goods. That has had a bit of a windfall effect in the fourth quarter that will not be a recurring one going forward.

Dan Togel
Analyst, Carnegie

Are these more or less equal in size? Is that a fair assumption?

Vincent Clerc
Chief Commercial Officer, Maersk Line

No, it is not a fair assumption, because, obviously the size of Hamburg Süd being what it is, it would mean that they would have had to increase a lot to make up for the differences in size. All three were significant, I would say, in the fourth quarter.

Dan Togel
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay, thank you. Then just a question mark on IFRS 16 and the impact, because in your guidance, you say around DKK 1 billion, but when I look into 2018 numbers, it is DKK 1.2 billion when you adjust here. Which number should we use for 2019? Is there any reason why the impact of IFRS 16 is lower in 2019 compared to 2018, or is this just a matter of rounding?

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

The guidance is including IFRS, since that is what we go with from 2019. It is DKK 5 billion, and it is also what we say is that it is around, right? I would stick to that. That is the guidance.

Dan Togel
Analyst, Carnegie

Just to clarify here, if I use DKK 1.2, which was the effect in 2018, if I use DKK 1.2 for 2019, I will not be wrong?

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Within IFRS, there are a little bit of things that you need to take into consideration there. That is why we say it is around DKK 5 billion. You can see it as a bridge between. The guidance is DKK 5 billion.

Dan Togel
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Lars Heindorff from SEB. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Lars Heindorff
Analyst, SEB

Yes, good morning. Two questions from my side as well. The first is regarding your capacity growth. You're saying that you will keep your nominal capacity roughly flat, but I think you mentioned during your presentation that you expect to grow capacity by 1%-2%. I'm just curious to find out how you will get to that if you have vessels that will be out to have scrubbers installed, and also if you intend to do more slow steaming. That's the first one.

Søren Toft
COO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Lars, Søren Toft here. Let me try to repeat. Our capacity on a like-for-like basis in 2019 will be flat with the second half of 2018. I deliberately say the second half because the first quarter of 2018 was not, you could say, a peak that we are particularly pleased with. What I then said is that year-over-year, I expect our capacity to be slightly up 1%-2%, and that includes then the temporary refitting of ships for scrubber and some investments in slow steaming. It means that even with this effect, there will be a very marginal increase on the full year numbers.

Lars Heindorff
Analyst, SEB

Okay. All right. Thank you. Then, the other question is regarding logistics. I think it's clear from the numbers that you have delivered in Q4 that your freight forwarding is probably not going very well. I don't know if you can give us a status about that. You have earlier indicated that that's maybe not part of your core business going forward.

Vincent Clerc
Chief Commercial Officer, Maersk Line

Yes. On freight forwarding, what we can say is that we have effectively from 1st of January carved out the Damco freight forwarding business from the rest

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

It now operates as an independent standalone company. It has only one mission, that is to become a profitable freight forwarding business with a focus on air and ocean. That is basically where we are at this point. We now have one P&L that is only freight forwarding. You know who's employed there, what offices they have, and so on. That is the status at this point, and I cannot say any more than that.

Lars Heindorff
Analyst, SEB

Okay. Can you reveal the EBITDA in the fourth quarter for that business?

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

No, we do not disclose at that level. Obviously, as I just said, we are not happy with the level of profitability in the freight forwarding, and it needs to improve.

Lars Heindorff
Analyst, SEB

Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Patrick Creuset from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Patrick Creuset
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just to come back to your guidance for 2019. When we take the run rate in the fourth quarter, it would imply somewhere around DKK 4.5 billion EBITDA or so in 2019. You're guiding DKK 4 billion on a comparable basis. Is it fair to say that the sort of DKK half billion difference is effectively a margin of safety for all the global risks you've mentioned earlier? Are you actually seeing a bit of a deterioration in bookings and rates, et cetera, post the Chinese New Year, and is basically reflecting a deteriorating environment at the moment? Thanks.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

We are guiding, Patrick, this is Søren here. We are guiding around DKK 4 billion, that's plus or minus 10%. I think we're basically highlighting that the level of uncertainty that we have right now around fuel prices, IMO 2020, trade tensions, global economic growth, China, and so on, is at a really high level, we believe. We are two months into the year. There's a lot of uncertainty out there.

Patrick Creuset
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. The discrepancy basically reflects various global risks rather than a tangible deterioration you'd be experiencing at the moment.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Yes.

Patrick Creuset
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Can I just ask a second one on logistics? You mentioned the underlying profitability level in 2018 was not satisfactory. What sort of profitability level would you be happy with, and perhaps even target in 2019?

Vincent Clerc
Chief Commercial Officer, Maersk Line

Yeah, this is Vincent here. We don't guide specifically on segment-specific profitability targets.

Patrick Creuset
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Edward Stanford from HSBC. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Edward Stanford
Analyst, HSBC

Good morning, everybody. Two questions as usual. One is very quick, I think. The DKK 1.2 billion of cash recognized from Maersk Drilling, has that actually been received or is that in anticipation of receipt upon demerger? Secondly, you've talked about growing non-ocean revenues. When do you think the group has sufficient balance sheet strength to contemplate M&A in non-ocean? Thank you.

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

I'll answer the first one. Regarding the DKK 1.2 billion to drilling. Yes, that has been received.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

In terms of balance sheet, our focus this year will be to build strength in our logistics and services segment by adding capabilities and capacity. We will be particularly focused on inland, on supply chain management, on custom house brokerage. Most of that we see as organic growth and capacity building. We are not expecting to make significant acquisitions this year in logistics and services. We will be focused on special capabilities. As we've just acquired a small company in the U.S. that is a custom house brokerage company, which enables us to have a competitive custom house brokerage solution in the U.S. We already offer that product today, but this acquisition triples the size of our operation and makes us relevant for our supply chain management customers, as an example. Thank you.

Edward Stanford
Analyst, HSBC

Thank you.

Operator

Next question is from Mark McVicar from Barclays. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Mark McVicar
Analyst, Barclays

Good morning. I have two questions both for Carolina, I think. First question is, you've come into a group that's sort of quite a long way through a rationalization and restructuring program. Do you see any opportunity to reduce the scale of the overheads that sit above the group, or have they been naturally shrinking as businesses have been sold or readied for demerger?

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

As any good CFO, I would answer yes to that question. No, of course, there are possibilities to do more, but the team is also working on doing more.

Mark McVicar
Analyst, Barclays

Sure. Okay. Thank you. My second question is, I haven't had a chance to read the whole annual report yet, sadly. Could you update us on where you think you are with the rating agencies, what has to happen from here to maintain the investment grade and remove the negative watch? Is it just literally the steps you've outlined as in demerger of drilling with the receipt of cash back to top co, if you like, or do you think more has to happen before they will steady those ratings?

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Well, we remain very dedicated to keeping our investment grade. We are working in close analysis together with them to stand by it. Now we'll get the drilling done. We'll come back with more information on our capital structure and future dividend policies when we come out with the second quarter earnings.

Mark McVicar
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. As you've looked at it, you're happy that the steps already in place, selling the Total shares, demerging drilling, will be enough to maintain that rating.

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

We have taken the steps that are in a good direction. We also have to look at what happens in the overall world. That also has an effect on the rating institutes. We do what we can. We'll make sure that we do our best in that. We'll have to see how the rest of the world develops. That's not in our control.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

This is Søren Skou. Perhaps I can just add, I think it's important to highlight the reduction in our CapEx, the discipline around that. Since 2016, our forward committed CapEx have gone from more than DKK 5 billion to just over DKK 2 billion. That's the kind of discipline we want to continue.

Mark McVicar
Analyst, Barclays

Presumably the guidance for CapEx doesn't include the assets you would normally have taken in through leases.

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

The gross CapEx is excluding the leases. You can also see on the first page of our presentation where we show what we want to track going forward. We have the cash return on invested capital as an important target for us going forward. I think that is also in line with showing what our commitment is.

Mark McVicar
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Should we be adding about DKK 1 billion for the normal lease take, given that you got DKK 1 billion of extra EBITDA and adding DKK 5 billion or DKK 6 billion of lease liabilities?

Carolina Dybeck Happe
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

When it comes to the IFRS 16, we have this one page which you can look at, there you can see exactly how it affects and which lines it affects. It's probably best to take that one to really bridge the gap since it's technical calculation, it doesn't have a real effect on the cash flow.

Mark McVicar
Analyst, Barclays

No, sure. Okay. That's great. Thanks so much.

Operator

Our final question for today is from Johan Eliason from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Johan Eliason
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes. Thank you. This is Johan from Kepler Cheuvreux. Just taking another stab at your guidance. It looks like if you include your remaining merger synergies, you're basically guiding for a flat earnings in 2019 over 2018. Is that sort of what we should expect that in a volume scenario with around 2% growth, you're mainly able to offset normal cost inflation, or how are you thinking about this 1% to 2% unit cost reduction target longer term? Thank you.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Yeah. Søren Skou here. We continue to have a target of reducing unit cost of 1%-2% per year at fixed bunker in ocean.

Johan Eliason
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Good. Then just the comment on this capacity, how you see that development. You highlighted that there will be some temporary capacity reductions due to the scrubber installations. The scrubber installations, will that only impact this year, or don't you expect that to continue for a couple of years until you've had sufficient number of scrubbers installed, or how should we think about that going into 2020 and forward? Thank you.

Søren Toft
COO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Just want to clarify, Søren Toft here. We don't expect capacity reductions. We expect capacity increases temporary because of the scrubbers. It's correct, scrubber installation will also go into the early part of 2020. You should not plan with scrubber installation going one to two years thereafter. It'll be a short-term thing, and then we will be done. I'll give the word to Søren Skou for final remarks.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Thank you. I just want to highlight again that we believe we've come quite some ways in the transformation of A.P. Moller - Maersk from being a conglomerate with business interests in many different industries to being fully focused and integrated a global logistics company. We have improved our earnings, not as much as we would have liked, and certainly not as much as we expected starting 2017. It's important that we improve from the current level, and that's what we set out to do. I also have to say that we have, we believe, solved a good part of the growth challenge that we had when we go back to 2016. Hamburg Süd has been successfully integrated. We are very happy with the acquisition. We think we acquired a good company at the right time of the cycle, and it's contributing quite positively to our earnings.

We are in a much better position from a balance sheet situation point of view. We are focused on cash flow, and we will start reporting on cash flow return on invested capital every quarter to make sure that we keep that focus. Today, we reached an important milestone on energy separation with the announcement of the listing and demerger of Maersk Drilling. Again, as many of your questions have centered in on and circulated around, then we are quite cautious in our outlook for 2019. We believe there's considerable uncertainties out there that can impact us during the year. Thank you very much for listening in, and we look forward to having the next call in May. Thank you.