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Earnings Call: Q1 2017

May 11, 2017

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Good morning. My name is Søren Skou. I'm the CEO of A.P. Møller - Mærsk. Welcome to our earnings call for the first quarter of 2017. I'm joined by Claus Hemmingsen, our Vice CEO, and Jakob Stausholm, our Chief Financial Officer. We will move on with the presentation. First, I want you to notice our comments about forward-looking statement. Please read it and take that into consideration. I'd like to start by giving you my take on our first quarter and the strategic journey we're on, providing you with basically three highlights and three lowlights. Starting with the highlights.

First of all, we wanna make sure that we are clear in saying that the container market is clearly improving. Rates are up in the quarter throughout the quarter, and freight rates have continued to increase in April. It's driven by a significant improvement in the demand and supply situation. Demand grew 4%-5% in the quarter, and supply grew around 1%, which makes the first quarter of 2007 the second quarter in a row where we saw demand growth significantly outpacing supply growth. That, of course, had a very positive impact on freight rates.

These freight rates are increasing not only East-West, but also now North-South, which is important, particularly for Maersk Line. The second highlight of this quarter is that we are making good progress on our strategic priorities, our strategic agenda for 2017. First, I wanna talk about growth. We are growing revenue in this quarter for the first time since the third quarter in 2014. We're growing the T&L transport and logistics revenues by about 10%. We're also seeing significant revenue growth in Maersk Oil. But all in all, we are quite pleased with the development in the growth and in line, which is in line with our stated ambition of becoming a growth company again.

Also, in terms of growth, at least future growth, we made significant progress on the Hamburg Süd transaction. We received the final board approval from the seller. We have started the regulatory process and achieved approvals both in two very important jurisdictions, Europe and the U.S. We believe we are on track to close the transaction towards the end of the year as we have told the market. Hamburg Süd will add well above $5 billion of turnover to our business in 2018, and obviously a very strategic transaction for us. We're also making progress on taking out synergies between the different businesses in transport and logistics.

We have a couple of examples in the report concerning Maersk Line growing its volume above market growth in with APMT, and also Maersk Line and Maersk Container Industry getting much better at joint production planning of containers. Then that has led to a rather remarkable turnaround in our small but nevertheless important Maersk Container Industry business. We are flagging today in the report that we expect our results in 2017 to be positively impacted by about $150 million from synergies. Finally, I also wanna just briefly mention that we have made some further progress in terms of building our digital capability during the quarter. We have signed new software partnerships with both IBM and Microsoft.

While that in itself, of course, is not doing anything other than adding expenses, we are doing this to build a world-class platform from which we can build our digital offering. We have launched in Damco a new online or digital freight forwarder called Twill, and we continue to upgrade every month the functionality of maerskline.com. In that sense, we are making significant progress on the strategic priorities. Then the third highlight of the quarter, I would say, is Maersk Line's, Maersk Oil's performance, strong financial results, very much, of course, driven by higher oil price, but certainly also driven by good performance on cost.

In terms of lowlights, I have to say, of course, that we cannot be satisfied with the overall level of profitability for the group. Secondly, Maersk Line remained in the red. We're reporting an $80 million loss and underlying loss. Despite higher freight rates, it's really driven by a much higher fuel bill than we had last year.

Then finally, as a third lowlight, we continue to be very challenged in our trading business where the outlook remains difficult and we are running down our order book, so to speak. In summary, however, it's very important for me to highlight and underline that we believe that the results that we are delivering in the quarter are in line with, or are in line with our own expectations, and we are very much on track to deliver the full year guidance that we have set out to deliver, in terms of result in A.P. Møller - Mærsk above last year, where the underlying result was $716 million.

A result in Transport & Logistics above a billion, and a Maersk Line result in excess of a billion-dollar improvement to last year, where we lost almost $400 million. I wanna make sure that I'm very clear in reiterating that guidance. With those words, I will turn over to Jakob Stausholm, who will talk about the overall results and Transport & Logistics division.

Jakob Stausholm
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Well, thank you, Søren. Good morning. If you look at the page number five, you have the overview of the financial results for A.P. Møller - Mærsk. Particularly highlight, as Søren stated, for the first time after nine consecutive quarters of lack of top-line growth, we grew revenue, we grew EBITDA, but profit remained flattish. We have a particular focus at the moment around the cash flow. You've heard us talking about capital discipline, and what you see here is that the capital expenditure is going down significantly. First quarter, we had a little delay, expected a rig coming in the fourth quarter, came in the first quarter of $400 million. So if you even deduct that, you can see that there is really remarkable reductions going on in the capital expenditure.

Operating cash flow comparisons has to take into account one-offs, as noted on the slide. Good progress on the top line, good progress on the cash flow statement, still work to do on the profit statement. Let me move on to the Transport & Logistics division and start from what I just said here. If you look at the four businesses we have in Transport & Logistics, four out of five actually recorded revenue growth in the quarter. The overall profitability is not satisfactory. It is, though, in line with our plan and our guidance. Moving to page seven, let me start on the right side. I think that's a very important part of explaining our results.

I think I said on the last call that the container line of business was hitting an inflection point. I think we can confirm that. You saw that the supply, you can see here the supply and demand curve, they changed from being oversupplied to actually start absorbing supply in a little bit in the third quarter, quite a lot in the fourth quarter, and certainly quite a lot in the first quarter as well. That's a very important point, and that is what the fundamentals that supports what we currently experience of increases in freight rates. If you then look at the P&L of Maersk Line, you'll see the revenue growth by 10%, volume grows by 10%, and the rates goes up by 4.4%.

How does that add all together? Well, the rate you see is what we call the loaded rates, namely the rates when we put the boxes on the ship. IFRS means that we only recognize revenue as the box is being transported. That means that we have a delay in the revenue recognition. In a way, this discrepancy is positive news. It's telling you that we are on an upward trend and more revenue is coming in the second quarter. We did see a positive rate development in the quarter, but unfortunately, we have a significant hike in the bunker price, and that is the reason why we continue to have depressed profit in Maersk Line, despite the fact that the business environment improved through the quarter.

You will see two important things as well. Our utilization was fairly flat year-over-year. We had capacity growing by 8.1% versus the volume growth of 10%. Just to be very transparent with you, we of course noticed when we got all the results in from fourth quarter that the EBIT margin gap has not been satisfactory. It's actually been sort of, say, vanishing in the fourth quarter. We still don't know what it's gonna be in the first quarter. There's a very particular reason for that. If you go to the next page eight, I think that is the key part to understand the results of Maersk Line.

We have a strong position in East-West, but we have a much stronger position in the North-South. Temporarily, the North-South have experienced very difficult conditions. If you look at the year-on-year change in the rates, although you have seen various trade index going up from April last year, you still see year-on-year declines of 4% in the North-South. That is the reason why we in the fourth quarter and the first quarter have fairly depressed earnings or small losses in Maersk Line. The good news is that we now see a recovery also in the North-South rate environment.

If you look at the East-West, you can see that there we record a significant improvement, but the impact has so far been limited in Maersk Line because the annual contract season, contracts are being renegotiated, and they're being settled at a substantially higher level here in the first quarter, but they first kick in in our accounts in the course of the second quarter. All indicators indicating if things are going in the right direction, but with limited impact on our first quarter result. If we move to slide number nine, there you see the unit cost development and the absolute unit cost hikes in Q1, and that is mainly due to the bunker price increase as earlier mentioned.

It is worthwhile. I think the key indicator is really to look on the right side at fixed bunker cost, how is cost developing. In a way, it's not a positive development in the first quarter compared to the previous quarter, but certainly a significant reduction compared to first quarter last year. I think the right comparison because of the seasonality, first quarter is difficult with quite a lot of disruptions around the Chinese New Year, is to make that comparison and certainly we expect to improve from where we are today. Let me move on from Maersk Line to APM Terminals. They faced challenging market conditions. They are basically hitting into a more deflationary environment where they face decreases in rates.

Part of that is exchange rate and response, and that was the strategic direction communicated last year, is to reduce cost and improve productivities. The good news about APM Terminals is that the company grows mainly from the acquisition of TCB, but even on a like-for-like basis, you see volume growth and revenue is up around 5% year-on-year. Moving on to Damco, page 11. Damco experienced a difficult quarter. Revenue was up. They're growing, but so far are struggling to generate earnings out of their revenue. It's mainly the freight forwarding of air and sea cargo that is burdening the profit and loss statement of Damco.

If we move on to the next page 12. Svitzer, a fairly stable business, slight reduction in its revenue, but stable business. Søren already mentioned it, so to say the highlight of the quarter is that the better production planning between Maersk Line and Maersk Container Industry has produced actually a remarkable turnaround, $30 million better profit. For me, even more importantly, actually a $100 million improvement in the cash, in the free cash flow. Maersk Container Industry was a burden last year and is now a contributor. We are very happy with that. On that note, I'll hand over to you, Claus.

Claus Hemmingsen
Vice CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Thank you very much, Jakob, we will turn to the energy division and start on page 14 with Maersk Oil. As Søren already mentioned, Maersk Oil came out of the first quarter with a very strong financial performance and an underlying profit of $292 million. This was positively affected by a one-off tax income of $42 million, but also, as you can see on the slide, helped tremendously by a continuous focus on cost and efficiencies. When we look at our entitlement production, it declined 21%. This was mainly caused by the latest decline in Qatar, which again is caused by the higher oil price and lower operating costs, giving us less entitlement production, less entitlement barrels for cost recovery.

However, we also saw decline in the UK when we compared to the first quarter last year. This decline already materialized in the third quarter 2016. During the last quarters, we have stabilized this production through interventions, and we are now at a stable level at the current production levels. We've also seen other good developments in the UK. Turning to page 15 showing our reserves and resources for the year-end 2016. They come out as expected with 1P proven reserves of 339 million barrels of oil equivalent and with a 1P reserve replacement ratio of 40%.

There are no write-downs in relation to the Qatar exit here in 2017, and our 2P reserves of 555 million barrels of oil equivalent does also not include the second phase of Johan Sverdrup or Northeire rebuild, as these two projects have not yet been sanctioned. The reserve development is in line with expectations. Turning to page 16 and looking at Maersk Drilling. Maersk Drilling posted a first quarter underlying profit of $48 million, and it is still impacted by the low activity with no less than 10 rigs being idle in the quarter, including 2 rigs that have actually since gained contracts. The utilization overall, the economic utilization overall was 62%.

However, Maersk Drilling continued to take out costs, and they have also signed two new contracts in the quarter. However, at very low earnings levels, and that is the state of the industry, as Søren already alluded to. Moving fast to page 17. Starting on the left-hand side with Maersk Supply Service. Maersk Supply Service is still heavily affected by the oversupply in the industry, and they therefore also saw a steep decline in both their revenue and bottom line. There's a continuous strategic focus in Maersk Supply Service in launching integrated customer solutions. As an example of this, they in January signed a long-term partnership agreement with Oceaneering International, and the integrated solutions are gaining quite a bit of customer interest. In the product market tanker...

In the product tanker market on the right-hand side, we saw the effect of continuous spot rate decline actually by 28%, and Maersk Tankers earnings declined as a result of this to underlying profit of $9 million. We do see continued challenging market conditions for the remainder of 2017 for Maersk Tankers. That was a fast review of the four energy companies, and I'll hand the word back to Jakob.

Jakob Stausholm
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Yeah. Thank you, Claus. On page 18, you have an overview of a little bit around our balance sheet and our primary cash flow generation. I think what I would like to just point your attention towards is the slide in the right-hand corner around commitments. I mean, we are very careful of not making too many new capital commitments. As you can see, we have in total commitments to the tune of $8 billion. A quarter ago, I showed you the same graph, and it went to $8 billion -$9 billion. It basically shows that we are executing on the strategy of more capital discipline, as we have communicated earlier.

It will help the free cash flow generation of the company. That brings me to the next page 19, where you can see the development in the net interest-bearing debt. It goes up a bit in the first quarter. It normally does so in the first quarter. This quarter, we actually so to say did something differently. We were a little bit more efficient and already paid out the annual dividend to our shareholders in the first quarter. Normally, we do that in the second quarter, and that's half of the reason why the net interest-bearing debt increased by billion. You can see in the right-hand corner as well that we have a well-balanced debt structure.

I really do feel we are in a good spot when it comes to financing maturity of our loan portfolio, et cetera. I would like to add one more thing that's not on the balance sheet because it's something we have revealed after the closing of the accounts. Namely, when we finalize the acquisition of Hamburg Süd, we have also got in place a fully financed facility of, to the tune of $4 billion, at attractive terms. Again, we are prepared also for the future expenditure related to the takeover of Hamburg Süd. We have a couple of pages just basically for your information.

Page 20 showing the consolidated financial information, and page 21 showing how we are now and in the future will show you the segmented results so that we really focus on looking at the Transport & Logistics in total and the Energy in total. There is no kind of group anymore. Things are split out. Obviously, the majority of the overhead costs are allocated into Transport & Logistics. We have not yet, but that day will come, allocated all overhead costs into the individual businesses in Transport & Logistics. Let me end here and hand back to you, Søren. Thank you.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

I just want to end quickly by saying that or repeating that, you know, we're clear that we're confident that the container market is improving. Prices are up, demand is up. We are making progress on our strategic priorities when it comes to revenue growth, consolidation, synergies and Transport & Logistics and digital. We are also confident about the cost performance in Maersk Oil, leading that company to be profitable at today's oil price.

Now, we are reiterating our guidance for the year, and that means, of course, that some of what we call the lowlights for this quarter in terms of the overall level of profitability and Maersk Line remaining in the red will have to change for us to be able to deliver on that. We are confident that we can deliver. That's the very brief summary, and we are now ready to take questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. The session will end no later than twelve o'clock. If you have a question, please press zero, then one on your telephone keypad and you'll enter a queue. After you are announced, please ask your question, and not more than three questions from each speaker. There will be a delay before the first question is announced. Our first question comes from the line of Lars Heindorff from SEB. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jakob Stausholm
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Yes. Morning, gentlemen. A couple questions for my part, regarding Maersk Line.

Christopher Combe
Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

In the North-South route, I wonder if you could give us a little bit more flavor. You mentioned yourself that it's an encouraging point that you've seen a quarter-on-quarter improvement in the rates. I guess there's still a bit of cascading to be done into some of those routes from the East-West. Maybe a little bit about the development there in terms of volume and rates going forward. That's the first one. Then the second one is a more general question predominantly regarding the East-West rates, where we now have the establishment of two new alliances.

Lars Heindorff
Equity Research Analyst, SEB

I wonder if you could share your thoughts about sort of your experience regarding both behavior of those alliances going into the second quarter, whether you've seen any more aggressive behavior. Also, secondly, regarding the behavior of the customers, particularly with the new Korean carrier coming in on Transpacific, whether that still have sort of an impact on the behavior from the customer side.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Yes, Lars, this is Søren Skou. I think in terms of color on the North-South rates, then I guess what I can say is that, let's say the historic pattern have been that the North-South rates have been above the East-West rates for very long periods of time, typically to the tune of $200-$300 if we look over the last decade. Last year, we saw the rather unusual phenomenon that that gap closed and eventually actually in the third quarter, East-West rates were higher than North-South rates as East-West rates started to improve, and North-South rates not improving.

We've recently seen North-South rates go up faster than East-West. We are today at a point where we have more or less parity. We'll of course see what the future brings. There's been clear movements in a positive direction for North-South rates.

Lars Heindorff
Equity Research Analyst, SEB

One thing is that caused by an improvement in stock or is it a contract that is driving this improvement?

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

The North-South rates are almost all spot rates. The big markets for contract rates, that's really the East-West market, Asia, Europe, and Pacific in particular. Most of our North-South business, with the exception of reefer businesses, is really spot rates.

Lars Heindorff
Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Okay.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

On the East-West rates, we have basically since April last year, where the rates bottomed out, we've seen positive momentum in rates, and they've gone up. Of course, we are now at a much different level from where we were a year ago. The contract rates have been settled at significantly higher levels, about $450 on the Asia-Europe trade and about $300 on Pacific. It's not finalized on Pacific yet, but we will hear first of, well, when we still have a little bit left. It was first of May, but we still have a little bit left.

That's a positive that we will be seeing in the coming quarters. In terms of the new alliances that we are competing with, it's too early to say, frankly, what, if any, impact. We have to recognize that these are risk sharing agreements. We still have, let's say, the same competitors, and they're setting prices independently.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Neil Glynn from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Neil Glynn
Managing Director and Head of European and Global Transport Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Good morning. If I could ask three questions, please. The first one with respect to Maersk Line. Other revenue, it's been 9% of total revenue for the last couple of quarters or so. Is the historical rate of 10% or a little bit higher still applicable, or is there something structural which should limit that revenue line going forward? The second question, of the 27 new builds to deliver, I think 16 more come in 2017. Just interested at this point whether you can guide as to what proportion of those will be replacement versus growth. The final question, we saw huge sea and air volume growth at Damco in the quarter. Just interested in terms of how much of the fall in EBITDA came in the gross profit line versus OpEx development. Thank you.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

In terms of other revenue, then, I don't think we have much in the way of guidance, whether it's 9% or 10%. I don't think we have that, let's say, level of visibility of that. No, it is in the order of magnitude of 10%. At least that's what we expect. It can of course vary a bit from quarter to quarter.

In terms of replacement versus growth, our ambition in Maersk Line in this year is to grow, you know, grow with the market and also grow a little bit market share in line with what we said at the capital markets day. We would like to grow market share a little bit organically every year. We think it's important to do so.

With that being said, we had a lot of market share growth last year as one of our competitors disappeared from the market, and therefore, let's say, we have a focus in the coming quarters on profitability, on being able to deliver on the guidance of more than $1 billion improvement in profitability for Maersk Line. If we end the year with a market share that is not significantly higher than what we have today, it's not gonna be the end of the world for us.

In other words, our network will grow in line with market growth, and therefore we will be redelivering charter ships to fit that network growth as our new buildings come in. On the last question regarding Damco, then it's very obvious that we are quite challenged on our margins in Damco. Part of that, of course, is a cost issue.

Part of it is also that we as Damco when the market shifts rapidly, the freight market shifts rapidly as it did during third and fourth quarter, you know, sometimes end up with some contracts where you come underwater because you have promised freight rates to your customers and then the market shifts rapidly. The main issue for us in Damco is really a cost issue.

Neil Glynn
Managing Director and Head of European and Global Transport Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Understood. If I could just ask one quick technical follow-up on Damco. I noticed there is still zero inter-segment or intercompany revenue for Damco, whereas if I look at APMT, about a third of that revenue line is intercompany, obviously coming from Maersk Line. As you implement the synergy strategy, should we start to see some intercompany revenue at Damco?

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

No, I don't believe so. I mean, Damco uses Maersk Line as a carrier, so Maersk Line has intercompany revenue from Damco. There could be revenue going the other way, so to speak, if Maersk Line is buying services from Damco, such as customs clearance or stuff like that, but the numbers will be so small that you will not be able to register that in a meaningful way.

Neil Glynn
Managing Director and Head of European and Global Transport Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Dan Torgil from Handelsbanken Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Speaker 14

Yes, hello, and thank you for taking my questions. I'd just like to get a better feeling for what it is you see in the coming three quarters. I mean, you need to improve your profits by $1.2 billion in the coming three quarters. Is it purely rates that will trigger that? Or are there other things in terms of cost, et cetera, that will support that growth year-over-year? Because when I look back at both 2015 and 2016, profitability in the past three quarters was significantly below the $1.2 billion that is required this year. On maybe a question on Hamburg Süd.

After the feedback from authorities, what is the magnitude of lost market share that we can expect on Hamburg Süd following that? If you can give some flavor or some idea on that. Just finally, on the $150 million T&L synergies that you have announced for this year, how much was impacted here in Q1, and how is it distributed between the companies within T&L, i.e., in which accounts should we see it appear? Thank you.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Dan, I assume the 1.2 you are talking about, that's Maersk Line's improvement in order to deliver on its guidance.

Speaker 14

Yes.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Yes. All right. Obviously improving freight rates is a significant part of that. We are also expecting to grow the business in line or slightly above market growth. Of course, we are also assuming that we can continue to take out costs. If you look at our track record over the last 5 years in terms of unit cost, we have not quarter by quarter, but certainly year by year, managed to take out cost, and that's also our ambition this year. We will see improvements in all of the 3 drivers of the bottom line.

I mean, prices, volumes and cost. Most of the improvement will come from higher prices. In terms of-

Speaker 14

Just one follow-up. What will be different this year? Usually rates decline from Q1 both in Q2 and then on average actually for the period afterwards rates are a notch down.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

I would.

Speaker 14

Which also what you have reported in the past. What should be different? Is it contract rates that so to say is kicking in and are more sticky this year?

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

First of all, I would probably challenge the view that rates always decrease from the first quarter, but anyway, we can have a separate discussion of that. What is a big difference, of course, is this year is that our contract portfolio has been renewed at much higher rates than they were last year. That will have an effect for the rest of the year. Then of course, the spot rates today are much higher than what they were in April last year when the market bottomed out, so to speak. We are confident that we can deliver on the guidance.

In terms of Hamburg Süd, then, I think I need to make it clear that the EU approved the transaction, requiring Hamburg Süd to step out of certain vessel sharing agreements that they were a member of. It does not mean that Hamburg Süd has to step out of the trade, and I think that's a very important clarification. What we expect to do is to accommodate Hamburg Süd in those trades on the Maersk Line network, but continue to sell a Hamburg Süd service, Hamburg Süd brand. The physical product or the physical network will be part of Maersk Line's network as opposed to another alliance network.

In our view, that should not lead to any share loss in itself.

Speaker 14

Mm.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

On your last question about the $150 million, I don't think we want to provide any further guidance on that.

Speaker 14

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Combe from JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Christopher Combe
Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Good morning, everyone. Just looking at the rate of growth at Maersk Line. If you look at your upwardly revised fourth quarter at 6% market growth, it looks like you grew at two times the market. I had the impression based on guidance that that should moderate perhaps over the course of this year. Once again, we saw two times growth in the first quarter. First of all, was that above your initial targets? If so, can you elaborate as to why you opted for more? Then second, did you notice any advance or deferral of volumes around contract negotiations where the alliance starts April 1? Then lastly, we've seen reports of poor industry service levels since the start of the year, and especially recently with Chinese port congestion.

Does that artificially add to rates and sort of favor earnings short term? Also, what does it do to your unit costs if you get this kind of congestion? Thank you.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

In terms of growth, then, we did grow quite a lot last year. Part of it was, of course, due to the fact that a lot of volume became available in the market with the demise of Hanjin Shipping. We have also grown significantly this first quarter. Also probably more than we had expected. We expect that our growth rate will come down somewhat towards the next few quarters as we you know continue to focus more on profitability and cost.

We are designing the network to not being able to grow as much as 10%. I'll take your third question concerning industry service levels. Your question was whether it helps us drive prices up. Is that correct, I understood?

Christopher Combe
Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Well, generally if there's a bit of logistical chaos, as alliances are reshuffled and the congestion, does that, let's say, constrain capacity, affect this capacity to some extent?

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Well, certainly what I can say is that we also have higher cost when you have the situation that you have had in China for the last month with missed connections, containers that are rolled and so on in hot ports. It's not really something that is very helpful for us and for our customers. In general, I'm not a strong believer in you know, having a crappy product so you can charge more. It is what it is. It's some of these things that happens. I don't think it's something that we can build a case that prices will go up.

Can you just repeat your second question again?

Christopher Combe
Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Yeah. The second question was, you know, looking at the very strong demand the last couple of quarters, is there any evidence of customers having shifted volumes in advance of or after the contract negotiations or perhaps in advance of April first, given the higher risk of some disruptions?

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

No, no, I don't think there's any evidence of that.

Christopher Combe
Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Kasper Blom from ABG Sundal Collier. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Casper Blom
Equity Research Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Thanks a lot. A couple of questions regarding the container business from my side also. First of all, regarding volume, you've grown 10% here in the quarter. We've also seen some other competitors being out with fairly aggressive volume growth. We've also seen it from some of the freight forwarders. Still you're talking about 2%-4% growth in the market for 2017 on your guidance slide. Is there any chance that we are underestimating how much the market is really set to grow this year? That's my first question. Secondly, regarding the development of bunker price, I would expect this to be something that you know, eventually passes through to the customer.

Is it also your expectation that we will see the negative impact here in Q1 sort of neutralize when looking into the second quarter of the year? Finally, coming back a little bit to the whole structural setup of the industry after Hanjin's failure last year. Are you seeing any change in the dynamics as to whether it's becoming increasingly difficult to be a small player? Do you have any sort of evidence of customers that are, you know, choosing not to do business with these smaller players? That's my three questions, please.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

On the growth in the first quarter, I mean, we have to keep in mind of course, that we are comparing a first quarter this year with the first quarter last year, where Hanjin was still in business. You know, that share that we captured during the third and fourth quarter is still here. We didn't have it in the first quarter last year. The comparables are also a little bit into this. In terms of your question on whether we are too conservative on our market growth guidance or whether there's a risk of that, and I guess the answer to that is yes.

We have been surprised on the upside with growth in this first quarter. Remarkably growth in the Europe trade has been really high. Hopefully that says something positive about the European economy. We already for a number of quarters have flagged that the growth has been high in the U.S. market. We've decided not to, let's say, upgrade our market demand growth forecast yet because we are not 100% sure about what is actually the driver and is this just, let's say, some quarterly inventory movements that is blurring the picture. In terms of bunker cost then for our contract portfolio, which is about half of our business.

There we have bunker adjustment clauses. So, given the delays, increases and decreases in the bunker price will flow through to our customers and to our rates. As far as the rest of the business or the other half where we are trading on the spot market, you know, the spot market is not really driven by the bunker price. It's the supply and demand in the individual trades that decide what the rates are, irrespective of what the fuel cost might be. In terms of your last questions around the small players and whether it's difficult for them and so on, I think we really have to ask those carriers.

The only thing I can say to add just a little bit of color is that we have been able to sign up, you know, a contract portfolio this year with our customers with growth in it mirroring the overall growth that we have had as a group, as a company.

Casper Blom
Equity Research Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Okay. Thanks, Johan.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Johan Eliason from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Johan Eliason
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes. Thanks for taking my questions. Just a short question on Hamburg Süd. It was good you said about this EU antitrust impact. I think you have also said that you will put your or their Brazil cabotage business up for sale. Do you have any size impact what that could be of Hamburg Süd? Secondly, coming back to the bunker trading again. I noticed, I think, that when the bunker prices were falling, you were lagging a little bit on the impact for your behalf. Now when the bunker prices are going up, it seems that you are catching up with the spot price development quite rapidly. Is there any change in strategy here on the bunker costs? Then finally, just yes, yeah, please.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

On Hamburg Süd and the Brazil situation there, Hamburg Süd is the owner of a Brazilian cabotage business called Aliança. We have a similar business called Mercosul. Together these two companies have 70% or 75% market share in Brazil. Therefore, we in all likelihood will not get that approved by the regulatory authorities in Brazil. We have therefore initiated work to divest of Maersk Line's cabotage business, Mercosul, and intend to keep Hamburg Süd's cabotage business, Aliança, which is the bigger of the two.

It's not something that is hugely material to the Hamburg Süd acquisition, and it's something that we had planned all along because we knew that we would have a regulatory issue. In terms of bunker, I can just say that we have not changed strategy or anything like that. We are not hedging our bunker costs, so it flows into our accounts so to speak, as it happens.

Johan Eliason
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Finn Bjarke Petersen from Danske Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Finn Bjarke Petersen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Yes, good morning. A few questions regarding the rates. I'm not sure whether Kat said you said something about contract rates previously. Could you repeat how much the increase have been in Asia, Europe, and what you expect on the Pacific? That's one thing. Please explain again the North-South rate development. You said that historically $200-$300, was that meant by 40-foot containers, and is that where the North-South rates are heading in your view? You said you had currently at the level.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Yes, Finn, I did say that on rates.

Finn Bjarke Petersen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Yes.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

On contract rates, specific about $300 up compared to last year, and on Asia-Europe, about $450 per 40-foot FEU.

Finn Bjarke Petersen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Per 40 foot. Okay.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Also on North-South rates, I did say historically, we've had a difference in the favor of North-South of $200-$300. Then actually last year, rather remarkably, North-South rates dipped down below East-West rates, and now we are back up at parity. I'm not gonna make any calls on whether they're gonna go back up to $200-$300 positive difference, but I can tell you, I hope so.

Finn Bjarke Petersen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

It's right. If you look at the first quarter, you would add $100 million more on the bottom line if you just had a parity, so to speak, on East-West and North-South routes.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Exactly.

Finn Bjarke Petersen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Is that correct?

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Yes.

Finn Bjarke Petersen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Yeah. Okay, no further questions.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Robert Joynson from Exane BNP Paribas. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Robert Joynson
Managing Director and Head of Transport and Infrastructure Research, Exane BNP Paribas

Good morning, everybody. I have three questions, if I may. A couple of Maersk Line, and then one on APM Terminals. If I start off on Maersk Line, just looking at the fixed bunker unit cost, could you talk about the extent to which that was impacted by temporary costs during Q1, including the network updates that were mentioned in the presentation? And could you also provide some color on the outlook for the fixed bunker unit cost during the remainder of this year? So that's the first question. The second question on the round trip utilization rate, that increased quite a lot during 2016, but it was flat year-on-year in Q1.

Would it be reasonable to assume that the round trip utilization rate will remain flat for the remainder of this year as well? Just the final question on APM Terminals. Could you please talk about the extent to which the BSA with Hyundai, together with the slot purchase agreement with Hamburg Süd, will benefit throughputs in that business during the remainder of this year? Thank you.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Yes. Our unit cost at fixed bunker was down 5% year-on-year, about $108, if I'm not mistaken. Of course, that was a reasonable result for us and in line with, let's say, the cost decreases that we have been able to deliver over the last 4-5 years.

The quarter was actually impacted by quite a number of, let's say, negative events for cost, especially in some of our hub ports and some of the things that were already discussed in terms of delays in Asia that led to delayed arrivals in the U.S. and in Europe, which causes everything to come out of sync and therefore adding to our cost base. It was not a particular-

Robert Joynson
Managing Director and Head of Transport and Infrastructure Research, Exane BNP Paribas

Spanish one.

Søren Skou
CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Particular positive environment for our operations in the first quarter. We also had, if not an outright strike, let's say, a number of slowdowns in our main hub in Algeciras in Spain, which is also all very costly for us. That's the call I can give on that. In terms of round trip utilization, we grew a lot last year. I don't think that, I mean, we're not guiding on it, but it seems unlikely that we'll be able to increase our round trip utilizations dramatically, this year. I mean, after all, there are and continue to be, you know, differences in trade flows, eastbound and westbound.

There's a limit to how much we as one company can balance that. That's balanced them out. On APMT, all I can say is that as we do BSAs with Hyundai and with Hamburg Süd, it will have a positive impact for APMT as those companies will drive more value, volume and hopefully therefore also value over APMT's terminal network.

Robert Joynson
Managing Director and Head of Transport and Infrastructure Research, Exane BNP Paribas

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jürgen Brzeski from Mediobanca. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jürgen Wagner
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Mediobanca

Thank you so much for taking my questions. Three questions from my part, two on energy and one on Maersk Line. If we start off by energy, first of all, it looks like you've done a very strong job on taking out costs in Maersk Oil. Also very strong development in cash conversion. Could you give some color on where we are in terms of the full potential of taking out costs in Maersk Oil? Also, should we expect exploration costs in Q1 to be the given run rate for the full year of 2017? That's the first question.

Also on Maersk Drilling, when you look at the or objective to maximize shareholder value in terms of the separation process, where do we see sort of Maersk Drilling fitting into the outlook on the cycle with respect to finding a solution by the end of 2018. My final question on Maersk Line, just on the North-South rates, could you give some color on if the development quarter-on-quarter had that been stronger than what you expected when you provided guidance at Q4? Thank you.

Claus Hemmingsen
Vice CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Well, if I start answering the energy questions first on Maersk Oil on cost developments, and absolutely we are quite proud and happy with the development of our cost savings and cost efficiencies so far. We don't wish to guide on how that trend will continue. All I can say is that the effort will be relentless to keep on taking out more costs and providing higher efficiencies. What we have said is that when we exclude the Qatar production, then we will aim certainly to be profitable in an oil price scenario of $40-$45 per barrel. The cost efforts will certainly help that, and we are well-positioned there.

In terms of exploration for the first quarter, we have guided that exploration cost will be in line with what we saw in 2016. I can maybe just add that the exploration cost we expect is mainly centered around Kenya, drilling four wells in the Kenyan oil field, both development and exploration or predevelopment and explorations, but also drilling a few wells in the UK sector, but primarily Kenya. Last question on the Maersk Drilling separation, all I can say there is that a lot of work is ongoing and for all four business units to progress towards separation. You will have to await further announcements as they occur and as we mature them.

Jakob Stausholm
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

On the question on North-South rates and whether the quarter-on-quarter development has been stronger or not compared to our expectations when we guided, then I don't think I can provide any more color than simply reiterating that we're repeating our guidance and for Maersk Line and for the whole A.P. Møller - Mærsk, and I don't think I can add to that.

Jürgen Wagner
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Mediobanca

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our last question comes from the line of Mark McVicar from Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Mark McVicar
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Just two questions. First one, which sort of relates back to what you just talked about, Claus. You know, it's now nearly eight months since you announced, you know, the plan to separate the energy businesses. Have you, to a degree, narrowed down the options? Should we still expect something to happen with at least one or two of those businesses in 2017, or is it much more pushed into 2018 as you look at it?

Claus Hemmingsen
Vice CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Well, I think I naturally have to repeat the answer that the news will only come out when they come out. But we are progressing solutions. We've given ourselves to the end of 2018 to announce those solutions, and we are pretty much on track for that. That's all I can say at this stage.

Finn Bjarke Petersen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay, thank you. My second question was clearly for Jakob. Have you agreed with the rating agencies how they're gonna treat the Hamburg Süd acquisition? Because obviously if you consolidate it at the end of the year, you know, the $4 billion of debt is gonna go on the balance sheet, but you won't have consolidated any EBITDA. You know, mathematically, that leverage ratio will be much higher. If you haven't, when does that happen?

Jakob Stausholm
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

I have to say to you, we're not only taking over debt, we are also taking over a cash-generating business that has a lot of debt capacity in itself. Naturally, we have a deep high-quality dialogue with the two rating institutions. They're corporate insiders, so we can actually have a very deep conversation. I can assure you that not only I and my team, but the management and the board are reviewing the overall balance sheet. When we go through such major changes as we're going through, actually you really start from the balance sheet and work yourself around there, from there.

Mark McVicar
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Thank you.

Jakob Stausholm
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Okay. You don't think consolidating that debt would limit any of your balance sheet capability until further into 2018 when you'll clearly then be consolidating Hamburg Süd EBITDA and cash flows, yeah? It's all in our plans. I think the other thing you can look at is that, with the guidance we have given, then of course the cash generation and the profitability of Transport & Logistics will improve in the course of the year. Then there will be contributions from Hamburg Süd when we take over Hamburg Süd. We have looked at all the things, including the debt.

Mark McVicar
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Okay, that's great. Thank you very much.

Jakob Stausholm
CFO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

Thank you.

Claus Hemmingsen
Vice CEO, A.P. Moller - Maersk

All right. I think that concludes the questions. I would just like to say thank you again for joining the call, and we look forward to talking to you again after the second quarter. Thank you.

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