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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Aug 8, 2023

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to Green Thumb's second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A Q&A session will follow the conclusion of formal remarks. During the question and answer session, we would ask for a limit of one question per person. As a reminder, a live audio webcast of the call is available on the Investor Relations section of Green Thumb's website and will be archived for replay. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Shannon Weaver, Vice President of Communications. Please go ahead.

Shannon Weaver
Vice President of Communications, Green Thumb Industries

Thank you, Betsy. Good afternoon, and welcome to Green Thumb's second quarter 2023 earnings call. I'm here today with founder and CEO, Ben Kovler, President Anthony Georgiadis, and Chief Financial Officer, Matt Faulkner. Today's discussion and responses to questions may include forward-looking statements, which are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from these statements. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the earnings press release issued today, along with the reports filed with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission and Canadian securities regulators, including the 2022 annual report filed on Form 10-K. This report, along with today's earnings release, can be found under the Investors section of our website. Green Thumb assumes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this call.

Throughout the discussion, Green Thumb will refer to non-GAAP financial measures, including EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA. A reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is included in our earnings press release and SEC and SEDAR filings. Please note, all financial information is provided in US dollars unless otherwise indicated. Thanks, everyone, and now here's Ben.

Ben Kovler
CEO, Green Thumb Industries

Thank you, Shannon. Good afternoon, everyone, thank you for joining our second quarter 2023 conference call. I'll lead off with an overview of our results and some observations on the current state of the industry. Anthony will discuss our operations, Matt will dive into the financials, we'll open the call to questions. Reflecting on the cannabis industry and the economy as a whole, not much has changed since our last call. Inflation continues to dampen consumer spending, pricing pressure is still with us, there has not been any meaningful action on the federal front. Given the environment, we feel pretty good about our second quarter performance. We posted $252 million in revenue, which was up slightly from the first quarter and kept us on pace to exceed another $1 billion in revenue for the full year of 2023.

GAAP net income was $13 million, or $0.05 per basic and diluted share in the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $76 million, or 30% of revenue. For the quarter, cash flow from operations was $18 million after paying Uncle Sam $52 million. Importantly, six months cash flow from operations was $93 million, up from $40 million in the comparable six-month period of 2022. This cash flow gives us the confidence to continue to play offense as we ended the quarter with a strong balance sheet and $149 million in cash. We believe our cash flow generation, coupled with a strong balance sheet, is one of our most significant competitive advantages.

Right now, expensive capital is a problem for most industries. It is especially deadly for the cannabis sector, which is blocked from traditional capital sources and saddled with a punitive tax structure. At Green Thumb, we have been able to navigate a path to profitability while remaining fiscally strong. Since our founding, our intense focus on generating cash and investing and spending it like it's coming from our own pockets has been our team's not-so-secret secret sauce. This gives us the ability to execute our long-term growth strategy in a patient and deliberate manner. We not only sleep well at night, but we also wake up early, excited about the opportunity in front of us, and there's a lot to be excited about. This quarter, we opened six new RISE stores in New Hope, Minnesota, Grove City and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Bristol and Danville in Virginia, and Las Vegas, Nevada.

Now, we are in an even better position to expand our brand awareness in these key markets. Opening new stores is a challenging process with timelines that are hard to predict, and we are proud of our team for their tenacity on this front. We now have a total of 84 locations, supported by 18 manufacturing facilities, and we plan to open several more stores this year. This is all part of our long-term strategy that continues to unfold, which includes building brands that resonate with Americans. We see these lifestyle aspirational brands as key to our long-term growth. Over the last 12 months, we have made capital investments of approximately $240 million to position ourselves to grow. This all plays out against our original strategy to enter, open, and scale with disciplined capital allocation.

We are also excited about the July 1 commencement of adult use sales in Maryland, where we have four dispensaries and a healthy wholesale business. If Maryland follows the pattern of adult use sales in other states, this should be a nice lift in that market. We have made real progress in the quarter in executing our growth strategy and have a long runway of opportunity ahead. Legal US cannabis sales in the US is now a $28 billion industry, growing to an estimated $75 billion over the next decade. That's a new record, with regulated sales accounting for over $7 billion in the second quarter. It's very important to note that that number does not include the sizable gray market of untested, unregulated products such as Delta-8 and hemp-derived THC. If you're curious what I'm talking about, take a walk in Lower Manhattan.

Despite that, our 15 operating states are among the most attractive in the nation and offer access to 50% of the US population. We believe we are in a terrific position to keep growing profitably and sustainably. While there are very few sectors with outlooks as compelling as cannabis, there's no denying that the industry is going through growing pains right now. The tide continues to recede. For some time now, I've stopped speculating on what government officials, many of whom have passed their expiration dates, will do to lift punitive taxes and make some headway on safe banking practices or let us list on a US exchange. I've stopped trying to predict when some states, notably New York, will get their cannabis program in working order.

All I can say is that we stand on our record for clear, not wishful thinking, and feel good knowing our business is positioned to withstand old guard politicians who have failed to facilitate needed action in cannabis reform. Above all, we never lose sight of our mission to provide consumers with safe, high-quality products that improve their well-being and help them live more comfortably in this ever-chaotic world. Along the same line, we will never stop advocating for justice for the many people who have suffered from the failed war on drugs. You may not be familiar with the case of Allen Russell, Mr. Russell is currently serving a life sentence with no parole in Mississippi for his possession of 1.5 ounces of cannabis. That's an amount we sell every day legally in our stores across the country.

He is just one of the estimated 40,000 Americans who today are incarcerated for cannabis offenses, even as state after state legalizes its use. The damage that this causes extends far beyond the person in prison. It affects their families and their communities, many of which are black and brown. Our Green Thumb team will never stop focusing our efforts on this devastating injustice. Now, I'll turn the call over to Anthony for his thoughts on the second quarter. Anthony?

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Thanks, Ben, and good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us. As you just heard, the company had a respectable print in the second quarter. Even with continued price compression and persistent inflationary pressure, we generated over $250 million of revenue and approximately $76 million in adjusted EBITDA. In addition, despite making over $52 million in tax payments to our state and federal partners, we generated $18 million in cash flow from operations. Cash flow generation and balance sheet stability remain the name of the game for Green Thumb. During the quarter, we invested $64 million across our CPG and retail fleet, bringing our year-to-date spend to $129 million. We anticipate spending an additional $90 million-$100 million in CapEx over the third and fourth quarter , highlighting our confidence in our team, our brands, and investment opportunities.

During the quarter, in addition to CPG facility investments in New York, New Jersey, Minnesota, and Virginia, we opened six new stores and continued setting the foundation for the additional six to eight stores in Nevada, Florida, and New York we anticipate opening before year-end. Another recent highlight was our Thank Stick campaign, a sarcastic commemoration of Richard Nixon's signing of the Controlled Substances Act in 1970. This act effectively initiated the failed war on drugs and decades of harm on communities of color. Our goal for the campaign was to educate our patients and customers on the impact from the failed war on drugs and the state of cannabis today. We are proud of the campaign's success, as our team, patients, and customers were incredibly excited to support this very important awareness project.

Looking ahead to September, on September 9th and 10th, across the street from our RISE dispensary in Mundelein, Illinois, Green Thumb will host The Miracle in Mundelein, a first-of-its-kind, two-day cannabis-centric music festival. We have an incredible lineup that includes Cypress Hill, JRAD, Stephen Marley, Lettuce, Action Bronson, and other great artists. We have a number of attendee packages still remaining for those who want to make history with us. Our store is just a short ride north from the O'Hare Airport, and the vibe will be something extraordinary. On our last call, I highlighted some of our strategic initiatives for the balance of 2023. They include driving operating efficiencies, proper resource allocation, both micro and macro, and a successful Maryland adult use launch.

I'm excited to report that the team's work in Maryland is off to a strong start, and rest assured, we are continuing to optimize our opportunity within the market. On another note, we want to call out the increased activity we are seeing of unregulated cannabis and Farm Bill-compliant and non-compliant cannabis products. As most within the industry know, many of these products lack testing, basic standards, and utilize questionable inputs. In addition to posing consumer safety risk, we are also monitoring the impact these activities could have on future industry growth prospects and subsequent regulatory response. In conclusion, while we recognize our industry continues to experience regulatory, political, and industry-related headwinds, we remain incredibly bullish on our business and our team's ability to navigate these turbulent waters. As we've said before, the star of the team is the team, and we have a special one.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Matt to review our financial results.

Matt Faulkner
CFO, Green Thumb Industries

Thanks, Anthony. Good afternoon, everyone. We generated over $252 million in revenue in the second quarter of 2023, a 1% decrease compared to the prior year quarter.

While total units sold increased during the period, total revenue declined due to price compression. Continued unit growth in key markets, as well as revenue generated from six new stores opened in the second quarter, helped offset some of the effects of price compression. Overall, retail revenue decreased 2% versus the second quarter of 2022. Second quarter comparable sales decreased 3% over the second quarter last year on a base of 76 stores. Consumer packaged goods gross revenue increased 13% versus the prior year quarter. Gross profit for the second quarter was $125.3 million, or 49.6% of revenue, compared to $125.8 million, or 49.5% of revenue for the second quarter last year. The effect of price compression was more than offset by cost of goods sold management and verticality.

Turning to OpEx, selling general administrative expense for the second quarter was $84.2 million, or 33.4% of revenue, compared to $63.5 million or 25% of revenue last year. As seen, excluding depreciation, amortization, one-time transaction costs, and stock-based comp, which we refer to as normalized operating costs, approximated $57 million, compared to $56 million in Q1 and $57 million in the second quarter of 2022. The sequential increase in total expenses primarily reflected costs associated with opening new stores. We continue to carefully manage our costs as we navigate this challenging environment. The company generated net income of $13.4 million, or $0.05 per basic and diluted share during the quarter. This compares to net income of $24.4 million, or $0.11 per basic and $0.10 per diluted share reported last year.

Second quarter of last year benefited from an acquisition-related non-cash fair value credit, which did not occur in the current period. Adjusted EBITDA, which excludes non-cash, stock-based compensation, and other non-operating costs, was $75.8 million, or 30% of revenue for the quarter, as compared to $78.7 million, or 31% of revenue for the second quarter last year. We ended the second quarter with a strong balance sheet, including cash of $149 million and working capital of $166 million, while paying more than $52 million in tax payments during the quarter. In summary, we're pleased with our second quarter performance and execution within this current market environment. We will continue to focus on execution and our stated goals. Thank you for your support and confidence as we look forward to updating you next quarter.

With that, I'll open the call to your questions. Operator?

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. We ask that you limit yourself to one question. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question today comes from Eric Des Lauriers with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Eric Des Lauriers
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Great. Thank you for taking my question. My question is just on the CapEx outlook beyond the end of the year here, to the extent that you can provide it. I know previously, you know, you mentioned that you, you do expect CapEx to decline in 2024, but just given the sort of, I think it was $90 million-$100 million expectation for the second half, just any sort of indication you can give us for 2024, albeit early, would be great. Thank you.

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Hey, Eric, great question. Anthony here. You know, what we'll say is this: obviously, we've, we've invested quite a bit in CapEx over the last 12 months. We've got a, a healthy kind of Q3 and Q4 spend ahead of us. You know, tough to say how much we're to spend in 2024, but it goes without saying, it's gonna-- we expect to be materially less than, than this year. You know, we're, we're near the end of our capital cycle, and, you know, the reality is we'll probably have more visibility on that over the coming quarter as we kind of finish up budgeting, exercises for, for 2024.

Eric Des Lauriers
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Aaron Grey with Alliance. Please go ahead.

Aaron Grey
Managing Director and Head of Consumer Research, Alliance Global Partners

Hi, good evening, and thanks for the question. Just want to touch a bit on, on the wholesale. Nice to see that growth, you know, sequentially and year-over-year there. Any additional color you could provide, maybe geographically, on the states that primarily contributed to the wholesale growth? It was more broad-based. Also at the brand level, whether or not it was more from your premium brands or some of your value-oriented brands. Thank you.

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Sure, Aaron, I'll take that question. Anthony here again. Let's start with, I guess the second question was related to kind of brands that we're seeing, kind of either strength or, or lack thereof. Was that it?

Aaron Grey
Managing Director and Head of Consumer Research, Alliance Global Partners

Yeah, just on, on the wholesale growth, what, what might have driven it geographically and then also, by brand? What drove it geographically different states or, and different brands, whether it be RYTHM, Insignia, or otherwise?

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Yeah. Look, I mean, one of the things that we've continued to see is, is a bit of a trade down by the consumer. That's led to, you know, certainly sizable strength within the Insignia portfolio. You know, across the board, we feel pretty good about kind of all the brand performance across the board. In terms of market, you know, the softness really continues to be felt in those markets that are experiencing kind of price compression.

You know, those markets generally have a lot more, competition on the wholesale side of the business. You know, so to call out, you know, places where it continues to be a, you know, a bit challenging, you've got Nevada, you've got Massachusetts, and a few others. You know, place where there's strength, you know, we feel like we're, we're making solid progress in a, in a number of our important kind of eastern markets, you know, PA, New Jersey, and then obviously with, with Maryland turning on, we feel like we've got some opportunity there as well.

Aaron Grey
Managing Director and Head of Consumer Research, Alliance Global Partners

All right, great. Thanks so much for the call today. I'll jump back to the queue.

Operator

The next question comes from Andrew Partheniou with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Andrew Partheniou
VP of Institutional Research, Stifel

Hi, good evening, thanks for taking my questions, and congrats on the, on the good quarter here. Just wondering if you have this, can you let us know what the same-store sales growth is if you exclude New Jersey, as it's kind of an outlier since last year, Rec launched? Not sure if you have that, also, I was wondering about production expansions that are expected to come online towards the end of this year, beginning of 2024, in a number of states. Correct me if I'm wrong, New York, New Jersey, Minnesota, Virginia. Could you talk a little bit about how each market is behaving, and, and if it can support additional supply?

You know, what are you expecting in terms of, you know, your inventory levels and, and what this, this additional supply as it comes online, how do you think the market can react in terms of volume and price? Thanks.

Ben Kovler
CEO, Green Thumb Industries

Sure. I'll, I'll jump on that. Thanks, Andrew. It's Ben, appreciate it. Let's see, two things. First, same-store sales. No, we're not going to break out, you know, ex New Jersey, what the same-store sales will be. I would say New Jersey turned on April 21st, so it's most of the Q2, so that's not a key driver, I don't think, into the comp, especially with how good that market started. I, I wouldn't... It's not a huge factor, but obviously, we'll see it in the Q3, where it's lapping a full 90 days here in the Q3. 2nd part of your question, can the, can the new supply coming on, you're right about the timing, which is 2024, and can it support it in New York, New Jersey, Virginia, Minnesota?

I think it's, you know, bottom-up answer. A lot depends on the rules and what's going on and what gets enacted when, but we have a lot of confidence that people across the country want more RYTHM flower. This is a product and a brand that resonates with people. We know that Dogwalkers is working. We need to make more Dogwalkers. We get questions every day, including a handful today, "When can we get Dogwalkers in New York?" We know that we've just got to make the right product, that we have the right formulations here, and we just got to go execute against our strategy, and we have spots in these markets. We look at total size of market, total population, number of stores, our stores, the adult turn on, the verticality.

That's why we spent $50+ million in several of these markets, because we should be able to sell that wholesale product. Yes, we, we, we have product turning on. You know, again, it's been a bottom-up approach, pretty crawl, walk, run, so there's nothing monumental or game-changing, but it's slow, methodical growth against the core strategy, just as it's always been. We're pumped about what's ahead.

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Lavery with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Michael Lavery
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Thank you. Good afternoon.

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Hey, Michael.

Michael Lavery
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Could you just give us the latest look ahead or kind of where we sit now in terms of price compression? Are you seeing lights at the end of the tunnel? You know, how, how much, or, or, or, you know, it varies obviously state to state, but can you point to places where, you know, just maybe just a little state of the union and give us a sense of where it's... Is it improving anywhere yet, at least stabilizing? You know, just sort of a, a, a walk around for that.

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Sure, Michael, I'll take that. Look, I'll tell you, a high level, price compression continues in many of the markets we operate in. You know, I would say that, you know, in the third quarter, it's not as if we saw a material slowdown in any of the markets that, you know, have exhibited that, you know, the price, the price compression that we felt all year. You know, have we seen a real stabilization? The reality is, is no, we haven't. You know, now, we did start to see some stabilizing in, call it Maryland, with adult use coming.

Across the board, I think, you know, when we look back on 2023, I, I think one of the themes of the year is just going to be the price compression that we felt. Generally speaking, we haven't, we haven't seen a material slowdown, and what we do continue to see, again, is a, is a trading down by the consumer, where, you know, in terms of the quality of the product they're purchasing, and buying greater unit size. You know, that's, that's been a recurring theme of Q2. We'll see if it continues in Q3 and Q4, you know, and that's one of the reasons why we, we built the business that we have is, you know, we now have a brand portfolio that allows us to kind of, to service kind of all ends of the market.

That's really how we're reacting to, to the price compression that we continue to feel.

Michael Lavery
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Initially, there was, at least in some states, scarcity from the limited license environment that drove. Supported pricing and drove value. Historically, in CPG, it's primarily been brand driven. It's still so early for brands in the category, but you've got thoughtful brands and put resources behind them, right? Are you seeing some loyalty developing? How does it look as far as kind of evolution of branding in your portfolio?

Ben Kovler
CEO, Green Thumb Industries

Yeah, I think your characterization is correct. It's early stages. We're pleased with where we're at, and, you know, we look out and play out three to five years, and we think we have a chance to really build resonating brands with Americans who consume this product. We understand that experience, we understand the consumer, and we're playing the medium long game on that. We have tons of great American brands and great American companies that have done it before, and it's entirely the exact thesis we've had at the business, and we talked to you and everybody about is history doesn't repeat it rhymes, so we can look towards the rhyme of history to understand how to build quality American companies that allocate capital well, that can survive the cycle and build brands that resonate with American consumers.

It's early, but we're excited about what's going on, and it gives us just continued increased confidence, especially going into, you know, dicier markets that have unregulated, you know, sloppy regulations or illegal markets, like New York.

Michael Lavery
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay, great. Thanks so much.

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Sure.

Operator

As a reminder, we would ask for a limit of one question per person. Your next question comes from Sunny Randhawa with Freeport. Please go ahead.

Sunny Randhawa
Analyst, Freeport

Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to get an update on, you know, the early weeks of Maryland. Some of your peers are saying that sales are tracking at 2-2.5x medical volume. I just kind of wanted to see if you guys are seeing similar results out of Maryland in, in the early weeks.

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Sure, Sunny, this is Anthony. You know, look, as I, as I mentioned in the, in my prepared remarks, you know, we're off to a, we're off to a good start. We feel really good about, about the execution, kinda that, that really commenced on July one. You know, I would say our performance is, is consistent with what others have kind of indicated. You know, we have four stores, four stores within the state. We've got a healthy wholesale business, and the reality, though, is that we're, you know, we're less than 45 days into this thing, and it's still very, very early.

You know, as we think about as the, you know, as the business of Maryland starts to normalize, dust settles, and candidly, as more consumers are aware that, that they can now purchase this product, you know, it really remains to be seen where that, where that really settles out. So far, we're encouraged, and, you know, we're excited about our position in the market.

Sunny Randhawa
Analyst, Freeport

Great. I'll turn it back.

Operator

The next question comes from Matt Bottomley with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Matt Bottomley
Managing Director of Equity Research, Canaccord Genuity

Yeah, good evening, everyone. Just wanted to focus my question more on Illinois and, and maybe, just some of the macro-level comments that you were, you were, you were giving at the beginning of the call about price compression and, and inflation, how it relates to that home market, where I know you guys are, are, have or are competing for the leading share. You know, what are you seeing in terms of trends in that market? And, and more specifically on the retail front, can you just remind us how many stores have opened in the first six months, or I guess first eight months of the year, and what your anticipation is for further distribution on the retail side, to end 2023?

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Sure, Matt, I'll take that, I'll take that as well. Yeah, look, there's a lot happening in Illinois. In terms of the number of stores that have opened, I believe the number is approximately 20 to 30 up to this point. What I'll tell you is that, that, you know, that's a much smaller number than anyone would have anticipated, you know, come August 2023. You know, the situation there is you've got, you know, you now have price compression that's happening within the market as, as additional supply has kind of come online, certainly anticipating greater retail demand.

You know, what I'll also say is that, you know, what we're seeing in the market is it, it, it's not as if it's been a stairstep, it's been kind of a, a slow and steady in terms of the compression that we've seen. It's allowed, you know, us and probably others to kind of just react accordingly to it. The reality is the next six months, six to nine months are probably going to tell us a lot, and it's really going to be driven by the number of stores that are able to open. For us, you know, with our 10-store portfolio, there has been competition that's opened up around us. It certainly has impacted our retail business, it's something we just continue to watch.

Matt Bottomley
Managing Director of Equity Research, Canaccord Genuity

Okay, thanks for that.

Operator

The next question comes from Scott Fortune with ROTH MKM. Please go ahead.

Scott Fortune
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, ROTH MKM

Good afternoon, and thanks for the questions. I appreciate the color on obviously the ongoing price compression and kind of around the stabilization there. Can you focus a little more on your side, on the cost environment and, and the improvements that you can continue to make there, to continue to flow into the margins? I take it you guys are still expected, 50% gross margin, 3% EBITDA margins moving forward. Just what kind of cost efficiencies are, are you able to, to kind of drive further for, for the model here? Then just on top of that, kind of SG&A, how, how we look at that kind of continuing increase as new stores kind of get added throughout the second half year.

Anthony Georgiadis
President, Green Thumb Industries

Sure. Scott, Anthony, I'll take, I'll take that one as well. You know, look, as, as we felt price compression, you know, there's a couple of levers in the business that we had. You know, I've talked about this on previous calls. One of those is, is operating efficiency, and I'll tell you that, you know, that's an area that we're very focused on. And, you know, the way we kind of look at this, we look at it on a, on a facility-by-facility basis and a store-by-store basis. You know, it's something we watch very closely. We're encouraged by the progress. I'll tell you that, you know, I think we, we continue to have plenty of opportunity there, particularly as we continue to grow into the CPG capacity that we've already built.

You know, on the kind of SG&A side, you know, I was gonna kick it over to Matt, but I can just- I can just answer it. You know, look, we-... we've been sitting around, call it the $56 million-$57 million of normalized operating costs. As we open up stores, we're gonna continue to see additional SG&A. I mean, there's just, you know, there's really no way around it. One of the things that we're doing is we're constantly looking at, effectively, the, the S- the normalized SG&A expenses as a % of our revenue, and that's kind of how we hold ourselves accountable. We like where it is, and our, our goal and our plan is to keep it at or around that level on a go-forward basis.

Ben Kovler
CEO, Green Thumb Industries

I'll just jump in, Scott. It's a good question. Zooming out a little, let's just look at the whole income statement. You got the gross margin above the SG&A. Really below the SG&A, I think, is a key area, especially in cannabis. People talk about adjusted EBITDA. It includes a lot of murky kinds of adjustments. Just below EBITDA, so we're all on the same page. You know, we, we go through a real basic around here, just a cash flow lesson. EBITDA minus taxes, minus interest, 'cause you pay taxes in cash, if you pay taxes, you pay interest in cash, most of it usually, then your CapEx, what's left is the cash balance. There's really not much else.

So for Green Thumb, most basic back of the envelope with a $300 million-ish run rate, just taking this quarter times four, take $120 million of taxes, that's current year cash taxes on the current EBITDA. A pretty simple story. Minus our interest cash payment due annually, which is $17 million. Just as a reminder, if we have a mortgage on a retail property, it shows up in SG&A as rent. If we have a mortgage on a cannabis production facility, it'll show up as COGS in rent. So that's all above the line. However, the interest is not. What's left there, from our perspective, is, you know, some number over $150 million, the number you can do the math yourself, and then minus CapEx. There's two kinds of CapEx.

There's maintenance CapEx, to essentially keep the lights on, and then growth CapEx, and we've been able to really control that dial and understand our position. That cash flow generation, after all of that for us, is what puts us in a position to continue to invest. The SG&A, Matt and Anthony have done an amazing job. We got it very tight. We understand it. Percentage of revenue, Anthony is right, but it's the gross profit, it's the taxes, it's the interest in the CapEx also that makes the whole formula work, and that's what gives us a cash-producing machine and enterprise here that we're building for the long term on behalf of shareholders and gets us pretty excited. Thanks for the question.

Scott Fortune
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, ROTH MKM

I appreciate the color. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Mike Regan with Excelsior Equities. Please go ahead.

Mike Regan
Director of Research, Excelsior Equities

Hi, thanks for taking the question, and congrats on a pretty good quarter. Can you help us understand sort of the nature of this $55 million-$65 million incremental CapEx spending in the second half? Is this sort of incremental spending versus what was guided in May, or is this a pull forward from 2024? Just help us understand what changed versus, you know, versus May to make this incremental investment. Thanks.

Ben Kovler
CEO, Green Thumb Industries

Yeah, it's a good question, and you're right. You know, it's a little here, a little there, a little bit of everything. We're able to see the results of the business and then make decisions of what's going on. We see the $90 million of cash flow from operations, which gives us the cash to continue to invest. Some of it's discretionary, some of it's finishing out. We're looking at each project and doing it. I do not think, and as Anthony mentioned in one of the other questions, is that's indicative that 2024 is gonna all of a sudden look like 2023. We continue to sort of double underline that we're at the end of the CapEx cycle, and that's not an indication of what's happening. It's not even really necessarily a pull forward. There'll be a couple of things in 2024.

At the moment, we have the ability to play a ton of offense and do lots of different things. We've talked about, you know, our priorities of that cash flow being one , CapEx, and here we are at the end. Two, debt, and we've talked a ton about the debt, and then three, potentially buyback or some advantage for shareholders. It's really confidence in the operations of the business, finishing out the projects. We have four or five very large-scale projects that we wanted to finish out, and a continued retail expansion that's making it happen. A little bit of hustle in Maryland to get those stores open and up and running for July 1, that we didn't quite know was gonna happen when we gave that first guidance. A little here, a little there is the core answer.

Mike Regan
Director of Research, Excelsior Equities

Great. Thanks a lot. I'll pass along to the next person.

Ben Kovler
CEO, Green Thumb Industries

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Ben Kovler
CEO, Green Thumb Industries

Thanks, everybody, for joining us. Look forward to talking to you again in about 90 days. Have a great summer. Fall.

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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