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Earnings Call: Q1 2021
May 12, 2021
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Asia's Conference Call. I am pleased to present Mr. Hans de Kuyper, Chief Executive Officer and Mr. Christoph Boisar, Chief Financial Officer. For the first part of this call, let me remind you that all participants will remain on a listen only mode and afterwards there will be a question and answer session.
Please also note that this conference is being recorded. I would like to hand the call over to Mr. Hans de Kuyper, Chief Executive Officer and Mr. Christophe Boisard, Chief Financial Officer. Gentlemen, please go ahead.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you all for dialing into this conference call and for being with us for the presentation of the results of AGIAS for the Q1 of 2021. Chiu. As usual, I'm joined in the room by my colleagues of the Executive Committee, Christoph Boisar's CFO Emmanuel Van Ginberg, CRO Antonio Cano, Managing Director, Europe and Philippe Corvinamps, Managing Director, Asia. We are aware that today is a busy day for you, With several insurers reporting their results, so we will do our best to keep this call short, starting with limiting our usual introductory Chiu, to remark to the key elements.
Anyway, the strong performance recorded this quarter does not require extended explanations, Chies, and we will come back to you in 3 weeks' time for an update on the strategy. The impact of the ongoing COVID pandemic is decreasing quarter after quarter. It continues to influence our results with lower real estate revenues In Life, compensated by lower claims frequency in Non Life, but to a lesser extent than what we experienced in 2020. In Life, despite the lower contribution from real estate revenues, we recorded a solid operating performance with both guaranteed and unit linked operating margins within our target range. Thanks to a sound underwriting performance.
Additionally, the realization of capital gains in Asia further supported the Group Life net results, which amounted to a high €227,000,000 In Non Life, the continued lower The claims frequency in Motor resulted in an excellent combined ratio of 91.7% and a strong non life net results of €91,000,000 We also delivered a solid commercial performance this quarter, recording growth both in life and Non Life. In Life, inflows were driven by the successful New Year opening campaign in China, While non life inflows benefited from strong performance in Belgium and the inclusion of piping reinsurance. This strong start to the year gives us confidence to strengthen our full year guidance. We now expect to achieve a group net profit excluding the impact of RP and I between €900,000,000 €950,000,000 which corresponds to the upper range of our initial guidance. Lastly, a quick word on our cash and solvency position before handing over to Christophe.
Our cash level amounts to 1 point €2,000,000,000 of which only €13,000,000 remains ring fenced for the Fortis settlement, which provide us with great financial Qi, we have received this quarter EUR 73,000,000 dividends, mainly from Portugal and Turkey. But additionally, AG Insurance and China Taiping have approved the upstream of a dividend of respectively 4 and €11,000,000 and around €140,000,000 For the full year, we expect the total dividend upstream above €700,000,000 which represents a significant increase compared to the years before. As for our solvency, it amounts to a strong 195%, comfortably above our target of 175%. As you may have seen, we have finalized the acquisition of a 40% stake in Avivasa, the 5th largest life insurance company in Turkey, which will provide us with a balanced life and non life presence in the fast growing Turkish market alongside our long term partner Sabanchi. Additionally, The sale of our stake in Tesco Underwriting in the UK is now complete.
Overall, as these transactions are for similar amounts, The impact will be limited on cash and neutral on Solvency. Ladies and gentlemen, I will now hand over to Christophe Chee for a short comment on the segments.
Thank you, Hans, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. In Belgium on Slide 5, We achieved a strong performance in both Life and Non Life. In Life, despite the continued lower investment income from real estate, The guaranteed margin amounted to 85 bps, thanks to a sound underwriting performance And the realization of capital gain, see the detail of the capital gain on Slide 18. In Non Life, the combined ratio still benefited from lower claim frequency in motor and better than last year weather conditions. On the commercial front, the decrease in life inflows was compensated by the strong growth recorded in non life In all business lines, we are gaining market share here.
In the UK, Slide 6, the excellent combined ratio reflected the ongoing low claims frequency in motor. Inflows remained stable scope on scope with the growth in household compensating from the lower demand in moto Due to the COVID-nineteen restrictions, a quick reminder, scope on scope means without Tesco. In Continental Europe on Slide 7, the performance was solid in both Life and Non Life. In life, the guaranteed operating margin amounted to 131 bps, Thanks to a sound underwriting performance. In Non Life, the combined ratio stood at Chiu.
86.1%, thanks to lower claim frequency in motor, Partly offset by higher claims in accident and health. The contribution from The key was impacted by some large claims and an adverse FX evolution. When comparing to last year results, please keep in mind that the Q1 of 2020 included the one off Reserve release of EUR 20,000,000 in Life. Still in Continental Europe, So inflows remained solid this quarter. In non life, the increase in unit linked fully Cheaper compensated the decline in guaranteed products, in line with our strategy, while non life inflows increased by 15% At constant exchange rate, we've growth in all product lines.
In Asia, Slide 8, the high net result was driven by a continued solid operating performance in Life, Further supported by the realization of capital gains, thanks to Taiping Asset Management's Cheaper's smart decision to benefit from stock market rates in January. This more than compensated for the adverse evolution of the discount rate curve in China, negative impact of around EUR 40 €1,000,000 this quarter compared to a negative impact of €28,000,000 last year. Inflows were firmly up, driven by high new business volumes recorded in China During the successful opening campaign and the contribution from Taiping Re, The contribution from Typing Re to the inflow at 100% amounted this quarter to EUR 154,000,000 in Life and EUR 335,000,000 in Non Life. The Reinsurance segment on Slide 9 reflected the lower claim frequency recorded at the level of the ceding entities. Moving now to the capital position.
As mentioned by Hans, our group solvency to ratio, so see Slide 11, Stand at a strong 195%, it was up by 2% this quarter following the favorable Market movements, mainly the increased interest rates. Our operational free capital generation on Slide 12 amounted to €140,000,000 including €14,000,000 dividends From our non controlled participation, this is below our usual run rate of Roughly EUR 130,000,000 as our own fund generation was mitigated by an SCR increase driven by asset management actions. We have indeed pursued the re risking of our portfolio in response to the continued low interest rate environment. This should bring additional own fund Generation in the future. Having said that, we are at the start of the year And I propose to come back with a more detailed analysis of the free capital generation at the next closing.
In the meantime, we confirm Our usual guidance for the full year of €500,000,000 to €540,000,000 This is the end of that shorter than usual presentation, but apart from the COVID impact, Plus EUR 38,000,000 in non Life and minus EUR 19,000,000 in Life and the capital gain mentioned in Asia, It is fair to say that we had a quiet quarter. Thank you.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We have a first question from Michael Huttner from Berenberg. Please go ahead.
I had two questions. 1 is basically your buyback And the other one is the increased guidance, why not more? Anyway, On the buyback, the very wonderful IR team explained the ins and outs and all the etcetera. But really, I would like to get a feel for how strongly you feel about it. Talking about the mechanics is not So interesting if maybe we get another surprise like we did last year, the tightening rate.
So I just wondered if you can talk about your appetite for buyback versus deals Chitung. And the second one is on the increased guidance. So Asia, China, whatever, beat by whatever consensus, euros 47,000,000 I think in in the quarter. And you raised your guidance by 50%. And I'm kind of thinking, well, hang on, some of the stuff you did now, It feeds into higher earnings also in subsequent quarters.
I mean, you've got 11% more assets in Asia, those create more fees, etcetera. So I just wondered, what is the offset?
Chies.
Thank you for your questions. Let me take the 2 questions. First of all, on buyback, I can only repeat what we said previous quarter. That means that this year, we are still guided by the Connect 21 commitments, And that is an assessment that we will make after the Q2 results. So we are talking here more around the month of August.
So I cannot Tell you more now about the potential share buyback, except the fact that we respect The commitments that we have made and we'll connect 2021. 2nd, related on the guidance. Indeed, what we have done is we have actually raised our guidance on the Asian part to EUR 400,000,000 and that brings us I'm more confident in the range €900,000,000 to €950,000,000 Your question, why not more, is that the remainder of the year still has Chish. Some, I think, important uncertainties. First of all, is how which other COVID impact We will see and as you know, we have always 2 COVID impacts.
The first one is the claims frequency in motor, but we see the effects Becoming less and less month after month, and we are definitely not anymore at the levels that we have seen last year as well as in January. But on the other hand, we have the real estate revenue and that is to a big extent the parking Revenue from Interparking. And there, actually, we assume that the current drop in revenue, which Tisch, you could see between 40% 50% month after month that will probably last a bit longer and we expect it more, I think to normalize after summer instead of before summer. Let's not forget that some of our parkings are situated at airports, and I think it's clear that air travel is not yet fully recovering. And then the 3rd important element is the interest rate evolution in China.
You know that with the deal, we have an automatic adjustment There from interest rates with the smoothening mechanism into the reserves. Previous quarter, we had said We expected an impact around 2 thirds of last year. Last year was EUR 116,000,000. With the evolution of interest rates, we expect it to be more in line with what we have seen last year. And so with those Uncertainties to stay for the rest of
the year. It is too early
to raise our guidance more than €900,000,000 to
€950,000,000 Can I just ask
a quick follow-up, how much was the quarter number, the Q1 number for the interest rate?
EUR 40,000,000.
40, 40. 40, yes.
40, yes. 40, yes. Yes. Cool. Thank you so much.
Thank you. And by the way, On the buyback, you're still hungry for more? There we go. That's all. Thank you.
Thank you. Going to the next question, yes. Okay. Next question from Ashik Masary from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Thank you and good morning. Hans, good morning, Chris. Just a couple of questions I have is, first of all, you gave a guidance of north of EUR 700,000,000 Cash remittance this year. Now the way I think about this is the last year's dividend cost was $485,000,000 I guess and then holding company cost, let's say, $100,000,000 So is it fair to say that if you do a buyback of $150,000,000 that would entirely be covered by this cash flows? Because in part, your buyback was only partly covered by cash flows and partly by excess capital, but it looks like the way Cash is going up.
It is fully covered. And just related to that, I mean, is it fair to say that this increase year on year is more or less recurring in nature, Like it's just a normal business trend rather than you're getting a one off cash from somewhere. So that's one. Secondly, any guidance on what sort of real estate gains and equity gains we might still get for For the second I mean for next three quarters, I mean, do you think that we have more or less exhausted on the capital gains on equity side? Or you think that there could be more as well?
I'll stop here. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you, Ashik, and good morning. For your two questions, well, they are more global, so I will take that. Well, first of all, indeed, we expect Upstreaming above EUR 700,000,000 from our different operations around the world. We expect if please, if we do a share buyback and that's in line again with the Connect 21 guidance, We expected that it would be covered by the cash upstream and that we would not eat in our capital or cash to do this.
But of course, this also is linked to the amount that if we do a share buyback, it also depends On the amount that we will do, let's not forget, we are still under the guidance of National Bank and EIOPA on the distribution for this year. Secretary, on cap gains, we don't give forward looking guidance on cap gains because it's always highly uncertain With the Financial Markets, the only thing I can tell you is that in the first quarter Results are almost no capital gains from real estate. They are mainly coming from the equity portfolio, and we still have The real estate capital gains scheduled and are ongoing for the rest of the year, but we expect the results To come in mostly in the second half of the year.
We usually try to achieve The global return objective that we have around 5%, and we complement the income by Capital gain, I mean, you will remember that we gave some guidance about what is necessary and we said it was between €80,000,000 €100,000,000 a year. So but we will stick to that. The aim is to be at 5% return on real estate.
Okay, that's very clear. Thank
you. Thank you. Next question Chien from Fuy Nguyen from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Thank you. I just have a couple of questions. So the first one is, so it's a very good capital gains in Asia, More than EUR 100,000,000 in the quarter. And did I understand it correctly, you said because of like Taiping took the opportunity to realize the gains. And does that actually implying that they reduced the overall exposure in So therefore, we would see less volatility in the future?
Or they just recycle the proceeds back into the equity markets again? That's the first question. And then secondly is, could you give us a little bit more kind of We understand there is a very good opening sales in China. But what could you give just more color on like What's the product mix there, channel mix there? And what's the margin?
Is margin better or worse? That's And lastly is just very, very quickly because I missed the first couple of minutes of the presentation. Did you actually upgrade Asia guidance as well, just in line with your group numbers?
Okay. Good morning, Frode. I pass the questions to Philippa. They are all related to Asia.
Thank you so much for your questions. Let me take 1 by 1, maybe first on the capital gains. Our CFO Christophe mentioned that there were some smart realization of capital gains certainly in terms of timing. And indeed, Almost all the capital gains, at least in China, they were made by the end of January. But the investment mix has not Chede Ingest.
So these have been redeployed into equity markets. Now That redeployment has happened gradually over the quarter. And just on a very high level, the unrealized capital The capital gain position on the equity position in China compared to the end of year despite the realization of these capital gains It's hardly changed, in fact. So they realized on the high and deployed over the quarter. The asset mix has not changed, so it's still in equity, but the unrealized capital gain position is actually in euro terms only EUR 18,000,000 down on this realization.
So they did a good job in timing, let's say, like that. Secondly, on the commercial development. Yes, Indeed, we can be very positive forward looking because we will disclose more on this as we usually do With our half year figures, but you can see in the additional disclosure that the Growth across Asia region and certainly in China in terms of new business has been extremely solid in the Q1. The APE new business is up 37% for the whole region, of course, Mainly driven by China, but we also saw strong development and you can see that in on Slide, what is the number and where the EBITDA is 16, Where you see that also strong commercial development in the Philippines and Vietnam and actually in Malaysia, but more in Singapore was there. So it's very broad based.
The quality of the business has also been significantly better than last year. I can already tell you that we had Positive then the margins in all channels, so in China, both in Bangka as well as in the agency Channel. But the exact fears will be disclosed in respect of our partner disclosing their first buy with half year. At already end of last year, the shift to quality VAN B margins was there. It has been continued.
And the growth in VAN B will be higher than the growth in AB, I can tell you that. And the third question was the guidance. Chiu? Yes. At the end of last year, based on the underlying, we said, yes, we give a minimum guidance of €350,000,000 for Asia region.
And indeed, we have raised that $350,000,000 to a $350,000,000 $400,000,000 range with we think that the $400,000,000 is achievable. And to make that picture then complete, that includes the comment that on SKEVE It is after a slightly raised expected fee impact for this year, almost at the same level as last year, It was €160,000,000 last year.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Next question from Stephen Hayworth from HSBC. Please go ahead.
I just wanted to follow-up on your rerisking your asset management actions here. We've done equal amount in the Q1. Can you give more detail on what type of assets you're rerisking into And what the potential yield uplift is? And also how much more rerisking have you got to do this year. Is that going to be an impact on the capital generation Going forward.
And then secondly, I just wanted to confirm your capital generation guidance because I think my line cut out then. Was it EUR 500,000,000 EUR 540,000,000 for the year? Thank you.
I'll give this to Christophe. I always comment on the free cash.
So indeed, the guidance is confirmed for the full year at EUR 500,000,000 to EUR 540,000,000 unchanged. And coming back on the asset management, here the rerisking idea is not something new, but something that is ongoing for several quarters. What we are trying to do, while obviously respecting all the policies, the risk appetite and all this is to go to More yielding assets. And to give you a sense on this Q1 period, The new Monet yield amounted to 1.5%. So you may imagine that that cannot be achieved By simply buying sovereign debt.
So we achieved 1.5%. What can we do here? And the 1.5% is on fixed income. So what we do is we do a lot of loans, a lot of loans. This is not new.
You are Chee. You know all the story about the Dutch mortgages, very fashionable asset class. We were along the first and we keep on doing Investing in this, but we are not far from reaching some limits. But then we have other Asset classes, which very much looks like this one in France, where we invest along with our In social housing, HACLM. So this is where we invest more in loans.
And then Beside this, there is this trend, slight increase in the equity exposure, Having in mind that we will try to take benefit of the long term equity opportunity and this will We go even further when IFRS 9 will enter into force in 2023, where Our intention is to take advantage of this new option, the fair value to OCI, which will allow us Cheaper, to escape from the impairment risk going through P and L. So in a nutshell, more loans After the Dutch mortgages, we are investing in France, but same kind of assets. And then Slightly increased allocation to equity.
And what I cannot to make it complete is also some exposure in real estate Increase and that is mainly coming in the area of logistics and warehousing.
Okay. Thanks very much.
Thank you. We have a new question from Farquhar Murray from Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.
Morning all. Just two brief questions, if I may. Firstly, on the pricing strategy in Belgian Non Life, could I ask How motor renewals are running at present? And is there any kind of pass through of frequency benefits going on in the market? Or is it actually market looking through that into recovery?
And then secondly, how does that experience compare to what you're seeing in the UK, just as a point of reference? Thanks.
Hi, good morning. Antonio here. I'll answer that one. So on the motor renewals in Belgium, I would say that there's nothing really changed Consider the update increases, but it tends to follow the indexation. So no significant impact on motor renewal rates in In Belgium.
On the UK, I guess you're aware you've seen the latest numbers of the market. I think the latest Data point coming out was a minus 7% quarter on quarter for Motor. So that's What we observe in the market, our rate movements are
a bit less
aggressive, let's put that. So we have not carried out average So there is a clear difference between how the market in the UK behaves and Belgium.
Okay. Thanks Chedge. Thank you. Next question from Michael Huttner from Berenberg once again. Please go ahead.
Thank you so much for this opportunity. I'm really sorry. And just two questions. One is, I have a feeling, but I just wondered maybe you can say a bit about it, that you may be in order to Prepare for higher accidents as the lockdowns end, you might have reserved more or released fewer back book reserves. Just wondered if you can say anything about that.
You're probably wrong. And then the other thing is Asia. Asia seems to be getting on the one of those curves, which seems to go up to the sky. What's it called? Financial.
Can you say I mean, you've raised guidance this year. And clearly, as the interest rate charge maybe ends next year, would have higher earnings as well, higher earnings contribution. Can you say a little bit more about how we think about this midterm? Should we expect I think in the past, and I mean it's probably wrong, We saw more pedestrian growth, about 13% a year, but this feels much faster now. Thank you.
Okay. I'll give the first question Antonio, because I think you it's mainly UK Belgium related. And then Philippe can respond on Asia.
Yes. So on the first question, whether we're adjusting our reserves given COVID or whatever, we don't change the reserving approach. What you see is more mechanical effects. So the IBNR patterns and things like that tend to change somewhat because of the reporting patterns. There's no deliberate strategy to say to set more aside.
It's just a normal mechanics that overall you could say that The ratio of reserves towards earned premium would slightly go up, but that's more a mechanical thing. There is no deliberate
Michael, thanks for your additional question on the longer term guidance of Asia. Now I'm going to be a bit evasive on answering that because I think we will give a longer term outlook perspective when we talk to you guys In a moment or so around our Impact24 strategy. But indeed, Asia is Starting but a little bit as expected, as indicated at the end of last year. We are Aware of the VIT impact, okay? It moves obviously with interest rates, and it is now slightly higher than we expect This year than what we indicated at the end of year, that is also because we have very strong growth.
If you look at the growth
of that balance sheet, it was up 11%. And the results actually of this quarter, because If you take VIR and capital gains out, you may have the impression it's rather flattish in comparison to the Q1 last year. But let's not forget that 37% growth in APE and related channel development costs in China, because we're building up agency network for that they have some strain in that result, which will moderate our throughout year. So We feel that we are exactly on track to deliver what we promised. But for the longer term outlook in the region, I I would like to reserve the answer until we talk about our strategy, Strategy 24.
And he's going to ask a really cheeky Follow-up question. In 3 years' time, will we have, will the next strategic update be in Hong Kong or Shanghai?
I'm taking Chinese lessons, yes.
Thank you so much. Sorry about that.
Thank you. Next question from Colin Kelly from UBS. Please go ahead.
Chisholm? Yes, thanks. Just following up on the answer to Asia there. I suppose like you're indicating, look, there's Hi, a strange due to the impressive growth in the quarter and that's depressing the year on year underlying earnings growth. But clearly, that's something you want to balance all three and And generate significant growth in all three at all times in terms of growing new business at a strong rate, but also growing earnings and cash flow.
So it didn't quite exhibit that in 1Q. Clearly, it needs to exhibit it going forward. So can you just help to indicate how the balance of those 3 are expected to develop from here? That's the first question. The second question is just around long term equity.
So you indicate The tailwinds there from a regulatory perspective should help to increase appetite for equity investment. You're currently, I think, allocate around 5% of assets 2 equity assets. Do you have any indication of where you would like that allocation to get to Based on the guidance that's been provided by the regulatory authorities. And do you have any sensitivity in terms of capital generation as to How much uplift to capital generation you would get from, say, a 1% increase in allocation to equity, perhaps Coming out of something like Sovereign Bonds, is there any indication of the potential uplift from that? Thank you.
Yes. On the Asian one, again, I think Chies. He will provide more guidance on that one during the impact 24. But just 3 ballpark figures that give you a feel of What is happening there on a very high level. If you look at our disclosures first on operational free capital generation, We only put Asia there in a footnote.
Why? Because obviously, it is not Solvency II. But when you look at the figure that we mentioned there last year and this year in terms of our ballpark estimate on the free capital generation operational free Cigna. Generation in Asia. It went up from EUR 369,000,000 last year to EUR 4 And €13,000,000 in this year report.
That's one. Secondly, when you look at the results, we raised it now To arrange €35,000,000 €400,000,000 so slightly below that still, meaning there is still strain. And thirdly, if you look at the evolution of The dividends that are flowing out of the Asian region, this year in the EUR 700,000,000 that Hans indicated, you saw the The step up of China, but roughly EUR 170,000,000 is now coming out of Asia. So take these three together and that is the situation. More or less half of the earnings and certainly more than half of the free capital is still being redeployed and invested in growth in the region.
But slowly, but certainly, these three figures are moving up in tandem. But there is still a lead on capital generation Followed by the profits, which are always emerging due to strain a bit later, And the dividend flow is also increasing gradually, but slowly. I think all macro indicators there are good On the figures that you can find in our results back.
Maybe more generic on long term equities. But first of all, Over the cycle, a return of 7%. So that's what we take, whether it's long term equity or normal equity, that's what we take in FCG. But of course, you do have the benefit on the Solvency side because capital So this is roughly half, okay, depends on at the moment, but roughly half. On IFRS here, the first place is The dividend yield and that is the realized capital gains at the end of the day will run into the IFRS results.
But anyhow, That's all going to change once IFRS 17 is coming on board and then we will have to revisit that.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. We have no more questions for the We have a new Question once again from Michael Huttner from Berenberg. Please go ahead.
I'm really sorry. This is very naughty. Can you say a couple of words of the format Chisholm of your of the presentation, so Connect 21 and it's all called something 24 In a month's time, please. Thank you.
We will share that with you in a month's time.
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. We have another question once again from Ashik Chris Vesali from JPMorgan.
Please go ahead.
Thank you. And just sorry again for going back on Asia. I mean, it is an important that's why coming back on this. I mean, if I think about what you're saying is you have raised the guidance by about $50,000,000 for Asia. And at the same time, the underlying earnings are impacted EUR 40,000,000 by higher interest rates, lower interest rate impact.
It seems like the increase in the guidance on an underlying basis is about EUR 90,000,000. Is it possible for break back In terms of how much that increase is underlying and how much would that be capital gains driven? So That would be the question. And just as a follow-up, I mean, what I think in past you have guided for about EUR 100,000,000 capital gains In Asia, if I remember correctly, can you just confirm that report? Thank you.
Yes, Ashik. Obviously, this is Not science. This is financial markets, Archie. So indeed, you think about it, we say we go for a range 350, And we realized now roughly $150,000,000 That means there we have $200,000,000 to $250,000,000 to go. We also gave guidance that valuation interest rate impact could be at a similar level as last year, Meaning that we had EUR 40,000,000 now that at least we are in our estimate EUR 60,000,000 is to come.
If we look at the underlying that I mentioned, excluding fee rent capital gains, we had a run rate of about EUR 90,000,000 For the Q1, where I said that it's held back a little bit by strain. So if you put all these in the mix, you can see that indeed there is still some requirement of additional capital gains Chisholm to compensate some of the real impact to reach our target.
Okay, that's good. Thank you.
Thank you. We don't have any more questions. Back to you for the conclusion.
Cich. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your questions. And to end this call, let me summarize the main Frijus. Our strong net result was driven by a solid performance in both Life and Non Life. Influs4Web, Thanks to a good sales momentum, especially in China and in Belgium Non Life.
This strong start of the year Let us strengthen our full year guidance to €900,000,000 to €950,000,000 With this, I would like to bring this call to an end. Don't hesitate to contact our IR team should you have outstanding questions. Thank you for your time, and I would like to wish you a very nice day.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.