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Earnings Call: Q3 2019

Oct 30, 2019

Fernando de Araújo
Executive Director, The Navigator Company

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Navigator Company's conference call and webcast for the nine months of 2019 and Q3 2019 results. Today, participating in the call are the primary members of the executive committee, João Castello Branco, CEO, Helena Rodrigues, CFO, António Redondo, João Paulo Oliveira, and Nuno Santos, Executive Board Members. We will start with a brief presentation of the main achievements during the period, and follow with a Q&A session at the end. The presentation can be accessed through the link available on the website, and questions may be addressed also through the website platform. João will start with a comment on main figures recorded in the period, and António will follow with an overview of the pulp and paper market. Nuno Santos will comment on tissue business, and João Paulo Oliveira on CapEx. Helena will address the main financial issues. I will now hand over to João.

João, please.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Okay. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. I will start by making some brief comments on the overall results for the period. Given the current context of economic conditions with high instability, a real increase in major cost factors, softening of economic growth, and adverse market conditions in the pulp and paper industry, I would say that Navigator presented a resilient set of results with an EBITDA for the period above the average of the last five years, even if below last year's record results. In fact, in a significantly more challenging market context, we have managed to achieve a strong performance due to an integrated business model that has proved resilient through industry cycles and able to deliver consistently higher returns over the years. Let's start with the presentation and go over to slide three.

Here we have an overview of the main figures for the first nine months of 2019. Navigator registered a 1.8% increase in turnover over the period to EUR 1,274,000,000, saved on higher paper price and higher volumes of pulp and tissue sold. Recurrent EBITDA, excluding the pellet transaction impact last year, declined 11.2%, and margin EBITDA sales stood at 23.6%, reflecting a market context of higher production factor costs, decline in pulp prices, and paper demand. Still, EBITDA for the period totaled EUR 300 million, the third highest EBITDA recorded in a similar period. Also noteworthy is the strong generation of free cash flow in the period of EUR 125.4 million comparing to an adjusted free cash flow without pellet transaction of EUR 93.5 million in the first nine months of 2018.

Over the course of the year, we paid dividend in the amount of EUR 200 million, the similar amount as the one paid in 2018. We also proceed with a share buyback of approximately 4.5 million own shares, investing EUR 18.2 million in a clear sign of confidence in our stock in the wake of the severe price corrections occurred in the whole pulp and paper sector throughout the first half of the year up until August. If you turn now to slide four, we have a summary of the main highlights for Q3 2019. The Navigator Company registered a turnover of EUR 420 million in the quarter, below turnover registered in Q2 2019 and Q3 2018. In spite of the increase in pulp and tissue volumes, which was not enough to offset the reduction in paper volumes and the decrease in pulp price.

EBITDA in the quarter totaled EUR 93 million, again, reflecting a context of lower pulp price, lower paper volumes, and higher production costs. In a traditional slower period, Q3 2019 was particularly weak in terms of paper demand, namely in Europe, where we believed occurred a significant reduction in inventories throughout the entire supply chain. This, of course, had a reflections in terms of pressure in paper prices. Navigator responded with careful adjustment in its production level and the redirection of sales to market outside of Europe. There was a maintenance production stoppage in Figueira da Foz at the end of September for the pulp mill. The group decided to anticipate the stoppage of the paper machines, which impacted production volumes in Q3. Free cash flow generated during the second quarter stood at EUR 25 million, lower than Q2 2019. Comparing favorably with Q3 2019.

CapEx in Q3 was EUR 200 million and included mainly maintenance and recurrent items related to pulp, paper, and tissue. Going now to slide five, we have some detail on our EBITDA for the first nine months. We registered EUR 300 million versus a comparable amount of EUR 338 million, which is adjusted with the sale of the pellet business and income tax. When looking at the delta between the two periods, we see the overall price impact was almost flat. With a positive performance in terms of average paper prices, around 3% year-on-year, which was offset by the negative evolution of pulp price, around -13% year-on-year. In the tissue business, price for converted products and reels evolved positively by 5% and 4% respectively.

Due to product mix effect, mainly the increase in sales of reels, average price for tissue products presented a 4% reduction year-on-year. The overall volume effect was positive, induced namely from growing volumes sold in both [pulp and tissue] , which outbalanced the impact of decreased paper volumes. We registered strong volumes in pulp, 21% year-on-year, and tissue, 64% year-on-year, sustained on the capacity increases completed in 2018 for both businesses. These increases outbalance the reduction in paper volumes in the period, minus 5% year-on-year. A consequence of declining paper demand, strongly induced by destocking along the value chain, induced, among other effects, by the prospect of declining pulp prices. The main negative element comes from cost increases, which were already visible in last quarter results, and that reflects two elements.

Some instability in our pulp facilities in Setúbal and Figueira due to different technical reasons, which have an impact in energy and chemical specific consumptions. Most of all, these cost increases reflect an unfavorable market cost context for many of our key cost factors. More specifically, the acquisition of price of electricity and natural gas suffered significant increases in the first nine months compared to the same period of 2018. About 13% in the unit cost of electricity and 18% in the unit cost of natural gas, essentially resulting from the increase in grant prices and CO2 emission licenses, with a strong impact on electricity prices. CO2 licensing increase also increased from €14 per ton to €25 per ton over the period. Also in 2019, there was a drastic price increase for the main raw material required for OBA production, DAS.

These are optical brighteners used in the production of paper. Since early January 2019, the price of this material has increased by around 300%, dragging the price of different OBAs up by 40%-90%, as DAS is incorporated into each type of OBA. The reasons for this increase are related to measures taken by the Chinese government, as well as the opportunistic behavior of the main suppliers of this raw material. Navigator's product mix, biased towards high brightness premium products, is more impacted than others. Also, wood costs are also worth mentioning, with a 4% increase year-over-year. This stems essentially from two factors. A specific and deliberate policy by the company to incentivize certified wood from oak growers, and therefore pay for the difference, which went up from 41%-52% of all our supply of wood in Portugal.

A higher price from imported wood, which went up related to last year because of supply and demand imbalances today. Finally, it's also worth mentioning the U.S. euro rate average for the first nine months of 2019, which was 1.12, comparing to 1.19 in the first nine months of 2018. Considering that several input costs are purchased in dollar, non-Iberian wood, and certain chemicals, the valuation of U.S. dollar against euro also contributed to cost inflation. There were positive evolutions in terms of cost as well, namely in external fiber, of approximately EUR 7 million related to purchases of softwood pulp and also of hardwood pulp in available for tissue. Fixed costs also evolved positively with a reduction of approximately 3%, with the decrease in personal costs more than offsetting a negative performance in maintenance costs.

When faced with these externalities, we have to act on the variables that we can and have an impact on, and that translates essentially into continuing to implement cost reduction and efficient measures throughout the company. Let's go to slide six, where we have an overview of our M2 program, mainly geared towards optimizing our industrial and operational costs, which we have started in 2016 and where we continue to actively pursue these efforts. This year, we estimate it has obtained an impact of EBITDA of around EUR 14 million, thus mitigating the negative impact of the aforementioned external cost sectors. In total, we have launched around 100 projects during the first nine months, 76 of these with positive effects in operational costs and asset performance.

Some examples are projects related to optimization of wood consumption, maritime and road logistics, internal management of containers, integrated negotiations for chemicals, and improved energy efficiency in the paper machines in Setúbal. As mentioned previously, we have also launched zero-based budget efforts to address non-industrial fixed costs. Far, more than 50 initiatives have been identifying, corresponding to at least EUR 10 million in savings, which we aim to fully capture in the coming year. I will ask António Redondo to make a few comments on the market. António, please.

António Redondo
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Thank you, João, and good morning, everyone. I would like to start by saying a few words on pulp prices and take a look at the PIX graph for the BHKP in EUR and U.S. dollars shown on slide eight. You all have seen this graph before, and you can see that the BHKP index in U.S. dollars has declined to approximately $750 at the end of September. A correction of almost 27% versus the price of $1,024 at the end of December last year. Still, average prices in 2019 for both U.S. dollar and EUR in Europe is clearly above the average pulp price in the last five years. The average for pulp price between 2014 and 2018 in U.S. dollars was $817. Average price year to date 2019 is $909. The PIX index for Europe corrected significantly, although in July, August, and September.

Let's take a closer look at what has happened in the last months in the pulp market by going to slide number nine, please. New capacities coming on stream in China, both in tissue and printing and writing, severely increased competition and paper and tissue prices dropped severely in China from Q2 2018 onwards. In parallel, we believe that the incitation of trade war tensions and the consequent slowdown in economic activity in China led to a reduction in paper and board consumption, pushing prices further down. Hence, Chinese pulp consumers were sudden faced with an increase in their stocks bought at record high prices and swiftly stopped further pulp price purchases in Q4 2018 through the end of Q1 2019. In fact, during Q4 2018, market pulp demand experienced a significant decrease, falling 1.7 million tons year-on-year.

China accounted for 90% of this reduction. Europe followed two to three months later. With Chinese buyers reducing pulp purchases, prices quickly fall and producer stocks start to build up at Chinese, and by the way, European port. During Q1 2019, Chinese pulp buyers continued to significantly reduce their purchases, forcing new prices reductions in the pulp prices of circa 28%. Producer stock continued to increase while buyers used a significant part of their own inventories. There is little visibility on how much inventories have declined at Chinese end users. We strongly believe a significant part of the stock increase at Chinese ports represents a stock transfer from consumers to producers.

Notwithstanding that, since Q2, demand in China seems to be back to normal, and there are production cuts, maintenance, and market-driven for major pulp suppliers in Latin America and Asia announced for Q3 and coming in Q4 this year. Q3 demand likely stabilized year-over-year as a consequence of a difficult comparison with a record high Q3 in 2018. Also important is the fact that pulp production costs are increasing due to higher wood prices internationally and higher cost of chemicals. This means that high-cost wood producers in China are now significantly pressured by lower pulp prices, and with buyer stocks at low levels, restocking should occur soon upon price growth expectations. We remain positive that we are already at, or very close to, the bottom of the price cycle. We have adjusted our forecast for a rebound no later than the beginning of next year.

Of course, this is subject to Chinese and rest of the world economic activity pick up. We have just seen how buyers reacted to uncertainty brought by trade tensions. This is also dependent on pulp producers' production discipline to balance stock level. We have seen some responsible attitudes from producers controlling supply, and we, at The Navigator Company, in our small market pulp scale, have also made an effort in that supply discipline. Wrapping up on the pulp market, we believe medium-term fundamentals remain sound as there is no new capacity coming to the market before second half of 2021. On demand side, market pulp will be mainly driven by tissue investments and demand growth, as well as restocking of depleted stocks on the buyer side. With industry consultants forecasting an increase in tissue capacity of over 1 million tons in 2020.

Half of this growth is occurring in China, where fine paper printing and writing grades seem to have recovered production levels in the last months. Let's go now to slide 10, please. With an update on the paper market, global paper demand has been impacted by economic activity and significant destocking, namely due to uncertainty regarding pulp prices. Global demand for printing and writing papers decreased 3.4 million tons, representing over 6% fall year to date, August, with uncoated wood-free still showing its resilience, but falling 2.6%. This is clearly above the trend for the past five years, so we believe that this is due to the global economic slowdown and the reduction of inventories through the entire supply chain in all made printing and writing grades.

Actually, demand for uncoated freesheet in Q3 experienced a particularly severe drop in Europe of over 5% and U.S.A. of almost 8% vis-à-vis Q3 2018, well above levels recorded in previous years. I remember you that the average for the past five years was less than 2% in Europe, making this quarter a particularly difficult one. As already mentioned, we estimate that this decrease was the result of a significant reduction in stocks across the supply chain in the last few months. Still, the average of last five years is a reduction of 2.3% in demand for global printing and writing papers, with uncoated woodfree showing, as previously mentioned, a significant resilience, adjusting only 0.3%. This resilience is clear when we look at paper prices on Slide 12.

As you can see, the index for A4 price stood at EUR 900 per ton at the end of September, after experiencing an increase in the beginning of the year and a mild decline after. It is now flat, with average prices standing at EUR 909 per ton. This average price is well above the average for the last five years, which stood at EUR 832, and is also above the average for the last 10 years. Let's go now to Slide 12 with a wrap-up of uncoated free market conditions. Starting with pulp, we have seen that notwithstanding its correction, pulp prices remain high in spite of recent fall. We are still optimistic that there will be a rebound no later than the beginning of next year.

As you all know, paper prices follow pulp prices with a certain lag in time and present much less volatility with a more stable and constant evolution. Paper prices have eased from the high level at the start of the year and have slightly adjusted over the last months, but will remain high. This stability is a clear reflection of the resilience of the uncoated free paper. Paper supply has been growing in Asia and Middle East, but closures and conversions are occurring or have been announced at the same time in other regions of the world, namely in U.S., Europe, and Indonesia. In 2019, the net balance between increase and decrease in paper supply, based on consultants and companies' announcements, is actually supportive to the paper price environment.

Going now to navigate the performance in the paper and pulp business on Slide 13, we can see that paper sales in the period totaled 1,080,002 tons, down 5% on the first nine months of 2018. We were hampered by deteriorating market conditions and by a drop in output. The demand for printing and writing paper has reflected not only a global economic slowdown, but also a sharp reduction in stocks within the supply chain, with falling pulp prices dragging down paper prices. In this context, the group's performance reflects a sales strategy which was sought to protect prices in Europe and U.S.A., regions where the group records most of its sales, with control over the total quantity supplied and some volumes being redirected out of these geographical regions.

This management of sales resulted in a change in the product mix with increased sales of reels, a reduction in premium products related with the current context of pressure on prices, and stability in own brands that still stand for 70% of our total mix. Despite the evolution in the product mix, the group's average sales price remained 2.4% above the average price of last year, and sales value stood at EUR 905 million. Total paper output by Navigator in the first nine months of 2019 was down versus last year due to a series of factors affecting production, including the strikes in the first half at our largest paper mill in Setúbal, but also due to the management of production levels in view of current market conditions.

The annual shutdown at the Figueira da Foz paper mill, originally planned for October, was accordingly brought forward to September to coincide with the shutdown of the pulp mill so that the supply could be managed more efficiently. Over the course of 2019, Navigator has optimized operations and quality for new products on its paper mill in Setúbal, PM3, in order to ensure it offers heavyweights products that meet the highest global quality standards. Notwithstanding this process of optimization, it required a series of planned trials and tests, which necessarily entailed reduction output from PM3. As I've mentioned previously, Q3 2019 was particularly difficult, with a drop in uncoated free demand in Europe of over 5% and the U.S.A. of almost 8%, well above the levels recorded in previous years.

It is estimated that this decrease was a result of a significant reduction in stocks across the supply chain in the last few months, as I have previously mentioned. In this context of intense pressure on prices, Navigator recorded a volume of paper sales around 1% lower than in the previous quarter, which combined with the sales price similarly under pressure, resulted in sales in value of EUR 294 million. During Q3, pulp business was also hit by a significant worsening of market conditions, reflected in a drop of almost 13% in the standard BHKP price index and a sharp contraction in demand in the European market. Sales of pulp were marked by a drop in the average price, which was nonetheless more than offset by the substantial increase in volumes, which stood at 91,000 tons, 48% up.

As a result, pulp sales were 16% up quarter-on-quarter. In the first nine months of 2019, pulp production was down 1.2% on output vis-à-vis 2018, constrained by major maintenance shutdowns at Setúbal Cacia plant in April and May, and Figueira da Foz in September. Another limiting factor was management of supply in a market environment characterized by slowing economic activity and shrinking demand in the pulp and paper sector. Even so, the quantity of pulp available for sale was greater than in the previous year, thanks to the capacity expansion completed last year and the smaller volume of pulp incorporated into paper, making it possible to record an increased pulp of sales to 214,000 tons. I will now let Nuno make some comments on the tissue market. Please, Nuno.

Nuno Santos
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Thank you, António. Going to slide 14, I will make some brief comments on the tissue market as it is increasing its weight on our turnover and represents currently 8% of our sales or EUR 102 million. Demand for tissue follows general economic activity. Euro area economic growth softened in the second quarter of 2019. Real GDP increased by 0.3% quarter on quarter on average in the first two quarters. Still, when looking in the medium term, tissue demand continues to present interesting growth rates. From 2017 until 2019, demand is estimated to grow 3.3% in Portugal and 3.7% in Spain. This demand growth has been followed by the startup of new capacity. In Portugal, as you know, we started a new tissue machine in Aveiro, and in Spain, other players are also starting new production, namely Sofidel and Tronchetti.

This brings additional commercial challenges. We believe that Navigator's new tissue mill is particularly well-positioned, quality and cost-wise, to serve the Iberian market as well as the French and U.K. markets, the latter being the largest importer of tissue in Europe. On slide 15 on the tissue business, we can see there was a significant increase of 64% in the volume of sales to 74,000 tons as a result of the startup of the new tissue plant in Aveiro. The value of sales stood at EUR 102 million, up 60% versus the first nine months of 2018. This growth in volume reflects two distinct changes to the business. On the one hand, sales of finished products grew by around 26% to 56,000 tons.

On the other hand, the group sales of reels, mother reels, which had been negligible in the same period of last year, increased 24 times to 18,500 tons. Both finished products and reels benefit from price rises in relation to the first nine months of 2018, which was vital to offset the increase in costs, especially in terms of chemicals, logistics, and energy. However, the faster growth in the reels business, typical of the early stages of production in a new tissue mill, changed the mix of products sold, which had an impact on the average sales price of the tissue business, even though the group made significant price increases on both products. In terms of geography, we have now increased considerably the weight of sales outside Portugal and Spain to other markets such as France. I will ask João Paulo to comment on the next slide.

João Paulo Oliveira
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Thank you, Nuno. Let's go to slide 16, where we have an overview of the CapEx registered until September 2019. Navigator recorded total investment of EUR 88 million. This figure includes EUR 59 million in maintenance, current and non-current, EUR 12 million on completion of the new tissue plant in Aveiro, the PO3 project, which was the pulp capacity increase in Figueira da Foz, and the final stage of investment in heavy weights production, as well as EUR 17 million in environmental CapEx. In the latter category, the main project currently underway is the construction of a new biomass boiler at the Figueira da Foz site to replace the existing boiler and the natural gas combined cycle power plant, which will make it possible to reduce fossil CO2 emissions at the mill site. This project is linked to our project to become carbon neutral that I would like to address now on slide 17.

The environmental CapEx projects mentioned are part of a wider program of improvements to the environmental performance and sustainability of the group mills and are in line with Navigator's commitment to achieve carbon neutrality in 2035. This makes The Navigator Company the first Portuguese corporation and one of the first in the world to make a commitment to attain carbon neutrality 15 years early, which will enable all its industrial complexes to be carbon neutral by 2035. In order to support this mission, Navigator has announced total investment of EUR 158 million. The challenge of climate change is a priority, Navigator has therefore drawn up its own roadmap to carbon neutrality, involving an ambitious series of CapEx projects in renewable energy and new technologies, which will allow it to cut CO2 emissions as well as forest planting to offset residual emissions which cannot be eliminated.

It is important to stress that the forests under The Navigator Company management in Portugal represent a carbon stock equivalent to 5.4 million tons of CO2, excluding carbon retained in the soil.

This is equivalent to the emissions generated by 1.5 million cars driving a distance equivalent to the circumference of the planet. I will now ask Fernando to comment on the next slides.

Fernando de Araújo
Executive Director, The Navigator Company

Thank you. On slide 18, cash flow from operations generated in the first nine months was EUR 248 million, which compares to EUR 268 million in 2018. Free cash flow totaled EUR 125 million, comparing to EUR 94 million, net of the EUR 68 million inflow from the pellets business sale. In relation to operating cash flows generated in 2019, free cash flow was brought down by capital expended of EUR 88 million versus EUR 148 million in 2018, and also by a significant increase in inventory, up by EUR 16 million, especially in wood, due to the replenishment of stocks to levels regarded as adequate, as well substantial growth in pulp stocks over the period. The group's operational performance enabled it once again to record robust capacity to generate funds that it has displayed consistently over recent years. Now on slide 19.

As a result, at the end of September, Navigator interest-bearing debt totaled EUR 776 million, up by EUR 93 million in relation to year-end 2018, in a period when the group paid EUR 200 million in dividends and acquired EUR 80 million in its own shares. The net debt-to-EBITDA ratio remains at a conservative value of 1.87 times. I would like to spend some minutes on slide 20 and go over the debt restructuring accomplished in the period. In view of the approaching maturity of a substantial portion of our debt, which was due in 2020, we decided to undertake a restructuring process. Following this restructuring, where we managed to increase our average tenure and diversify our source of funding, average term of the group's debt was 3.7 years at the end of September, with a cost of debt of 1.70%, and with a proportion of fixed debt of 83%.

Just a quick word regarding the end of the rating service firm from Standard & Poor's and Moody's agencies. Following the completion of this restructuring process just mentioned, Navigator decided that in view of the associated costs, there was no current justification for maintaining the rating service and informed the above-mentioned agencies of its decision to end their service. To finish the comments for the quarter, I will give back the floor to João.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Thank you, Fernando. Just a few words on the outlook for 2019 on slide 22. I think we can all agree that 2019 has been dominated by severe geopolitical and significant trade tensions globally, with the Eurozone affected by fears of a possible hard Brexit. These factors remained in place throughout the third quarter, culminating in September in the publication of macroeconomic data that confirmed that the global economy is entering a period of deceleration. All these adverse events have impacted economic growth worldwide and have particularly affected the pulp and paper industry. In pulp, after a sharp reduction in demand from local purchasers and a significant increase in stocks at manufacturers, which then pushed pulp prices down, prices in China are currently at very low levels.

Pulp prices in Europe are currently showing significant reduction, and prices are now closer to those observed in China, which may suggest that the turning point will soon be reached. In the case of softwood pulp, there are signs that this might happen in the course of the fourth quarter. With a certain upturn in demand and the absence of any significant increases in supply until the second half of 2021, pulp prices can be expected to perform moderately well as from early 2020. On the paper side, the third quarter also reflected worsening conditions in the global economy, and also a degree of reduction in stocks along the supply chain, which has held down paper prices.

As the uncoated wood-free market leader in Europe, Navigator Group continues to present a resilient business model with the capacity to take market action that allows it to take current market conditions in its stride. In the tissue business, demand continues to grow at interesting levels, albeit against the backdrop of new production capacity coming online in the Iberian Peninsula. For Navigator, 2019 remains a year of consolidating recent investments with a view to increase total sales. Main aim is to achieve sizable gains in sales of finished products as the industrial operation matures and our share of the target market grows. After posting record results in 2018, the group's performance over the first nine months of 2019 has been constrained by the market context and by a number of external factors, which have hampered global economic growth and have an impact on cost reduction items.

Essentially, the increase in factors costs could not be transferred into pricing or volumes in this particular market context. Even so, Navigator has recorded results that have compared favorably with those for the past five years, and is working actively on improving operational efficiency by pressing ahead with its M2 program for cost reduction and operational excellence. This was joined in April by the zero-based budget project, which sets out to design and implement the various initiatives to cut fixed costs, the benefits of which may be expected into 2020. We are confident that with these efforts and its superior industrial and commercial model, the company will be ready to continue to deliver the strong results it accustomed the market to throughout the cycle, which will eventually turn back. Thank you.

Helena Rodrigues
CFO, The Navigator Company

Thank you, João. This concludes our comments on results. We are now ready for the Q&A.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the Q&A session starts now. If you wish to ask a question, please press 01 on your telephone keypad or use the webcast platform for written questions. There will be a short silence while questions are being registered. Thank you. The first question comes from João Pinto from JB Capital Markets.

João Pinto
Analyst, JB Capital Markets

Morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. First one on paper market, could you please give us some color on how demand in Europe has been performing since September? Does this stocking trend that occurred in Q3 remain, or are you seeing some stabilization? Following this, what can we expect for paper volumes in the fourth quarter? Should we expect them flat versus this quarter? Also, if you could give us your view where do you see pulp volumes in 2020, it would be great. Also, on supply closures, could you give us an update on expected capacity shutdowns and conversions in the UWF paper market? Finally, on M2 program, you forecast a potential annual impact of EUR 14 million, if I understood correctly. Could you please tell us how much of this has been already reflected in the first nine months of the year? Thank you.

Helena Rodrigues
CFO, The Navigator Company

João, I will ask you to repeat the last two questions.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

No, the last one, I think I got it.

Helena Rodrigues
CFO, The Navigator Company

The previous one.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

The previous two to the last, I think you should repeat. We got the one on paper volumes fourth quarter, and then we got the one on the M2 program. There are the others in the middle, for some reason we could not listen them well. Okay. Can you repeat, please?

João Pinto
Analyst, JB Capital Markets

Okay. I will repeat every one. The first one was on paper markets. How the market is evolving in Europe since September. I asked about paper volumes in fourth quarter and 2020. Supply closures, if you could give us an update on expected capacity shutdowns and conversions in the UWF paper market. Finally, on the M2 program, how much of the efficiency gains are reflected in this set of results?

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

You want to address the one on the paper? Thank you, João, for your questions. As you know, we cannot, we will not provide guidance. In true honesty, we don't know yet the numbers of October because the October month is not closed, as you probably know, the statistics of the industry are typically two to three weeks delayed. Only by the second half of November we will know the truth demand in October. Regarding the second question about paper volumes in Q4 and paper volumes in 2020, we are relatively optimistic that Q4 is always a seasonal pickup in Q4, we expect to see a seasonal pickup in Q4 again this year. Regarding 2020, we do expect that with a rebound on pulp prices, paper prices will first stabilize and then rebound towards the Q1, Q2 2020.

Hence, typically, the confidence of the supply chain is regained and people start to restock. We anticipate 2020 with much more optimism than so far 2019. On the capacity sheds, I believe that you know them probably better than we do, but trying to list what we believe it will happen. We expect in Indonesia, in total, by the end of this year, beginning of next year, in excess of half a million tons will move from UCO to L3 and about 200,000-300,000 tons from CO to L3 to packaging. We expect the reconversion in Mexico of Copamex also to packaging.

António Redondo
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

We expect the conclusion of a shut of a mill in Japan. We expect the conclusion of the second shut that was announced by Domtar in USA, and the only capacities that will come to market this year are in Middle East, which as far as we understand, didn't yet fully materialize in production, and a smaller capacity in India for the local market. Regarding 2020, we know because it has been already, so to say, announced another shutdown in USA, another shutdown in Japan. Which is quite interesting, the possible reconversion from containerboard to uncoated free, which is actually the opposite movement than the ones that I described before in China. This also proves the strong view these agents, these producers have on the Chinese uncoated free paper market by reducing capacity on containerboard and moving into uncoated free. Thank you.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Yes. On the M2 question, the answer is yes, the 14 million are there. The question is that the way we compute this is, this is against a baseline of constant factors. Unfortunately, this baseline has not evolved favorably. If you kept volume production volumes, specific consumptions and prices of the main factors constant, then you could see this effect in the bottom line. As I said, volumes, specific consumptions, and particularly factor prices deteriorated during the period, and therefore, the baseline corrected in a way that you cannot spot the 14 million directly in our bottom line, but they're there.

João Pinto
Analyst, JB Capital Markets

Yep. Just to follow up, assuming that baseline was the same, this EUR 14 million would be in the first nine months or on an annual basis?

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

First nine months.

João Pinto
Analyst, JB Capital Markets

Okay. Thank you. Very clear.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from João Calado from BiG. Please go ahead.

João Calado
Analyst, BiG

Hello. Thank you for taking my questions. I would like to start maybe by asking about your inventories on paper, if you may comment on that. Then secondly, on production. We saw the maintenance in Figueira da Foz. May you comment on the impact of this maintenance in this quarter? When we account, for example, for 10 days of stoppage in pulp and five days stoppage in paper, if we estimate those values, it would be a decrease in production of around 18,000 tons in pulp and 11,000 tons in paper. Comparing with the third quarter of 2018, we saw a decrease of 30,000 tons in both of them. Maybe if you could comment on that. The third question regarding the costs.

May you please comment if you have seen any decrease in costs of wood, due to the fall in oil prices year-on-year?

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Can you repeat the question, please? This last one.

João Calado
Analyst, BiG

If you have seen a fall in costs due to the fall in oil prices year on year in the third quarter of wood costs.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

The fall in price of wood-.

João Calado
Analyst, BiG

Transportation costs.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Okay. Okay. Okay, good. On the stocks question, I will ask António to comment, please.

António Redondo
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Thank you for your question. On the paper stocks, by the end of September, we are actually with a low level of inventory, we do believe, according to the statistics of the industry, by the end of September, this is also the case of the majority of our competitors, that we have a very lean stock in our mills by the end of September. In USA, according also to industry sources, we believe that stocks are a bit higher than in Europe, at the production site.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Production. João Paulo will answer the question on production.

João Paulo Oliveira
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Okay. I'm not sure whether I understood everything. We have planned to do the mill shutdown in October. We decided to anticipate to September. Therefore, you might see some changes in the figures. We did take a little bit longer than we initially planned because we wanted to have a closer look to our recovery boiler. We had some specialists coming from the manufacturer. We decided to check on a few critical equipment that require our attention. That's why it took a little bit longer.

João Calado
Analyst, BiG

Okay.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Yes, please.

João Calado
Analyst, BiG

Maybe just on follow-up of that, regarding the paper machine three in Setúbal, is that already fully operational, or you still have some?

João Paulo Oliveira
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Yes, the paper machine 3 is in full operation. We are producing now the full range of paper that we planned. We have decided to run the machine a little bit slower because we want to stabilize all the different criteria. Just to recall, maybe of interest for you, this is the only machine in the world producing from 60 to 300 grams, and therefore, it requires our full attention.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Nuno Santos will answer another question on wood procurement.

Nuno Santos
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

As you know, in Portugal, the wood cost is not dependent on pulp prices and so on, so it's pretty stable. Also, as you know, for the year, for example, for this year, our supply contracts from outside Iberia are also predefined. During the year, we do not see any change on the price, on the wood cost on those extra Iberian contracts. Yes, indeed, in Spain, especially in Galicia, historically, the market operates and the prices somehow fluctuate, following the leader. The wood cost follows. Somehow there's an indexation on the pulp price. We are expecting this last quarter, a slight softening of the wood costs in Galicia. Looking forward to the next year, we do expect that the average wood cost coming from Spain, mostly Galicia, and from outside Iberia to soften a little bit versus this year.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Bruno Bessa from CaixaBank BPI. Please go ahead.

Bruno Bessa
Analyst, CaixaBank BPI

Hello, good morning. A few questions from my side. The first one regarding the pulp demand. I believe you mentioned in the presentation that you have already been seeing signs of pulp demand recovering. My question is if you believe that this is an underlying improvement of demand in the industry or if this might represent an opportunistic behavior from distributors in China as a response to Suzano's strategy of reducing the prices of pulp sold in China from Q3 onwards. This will be my first question. My second question regarding paper prices, we have started to see paper prices posting more relevant declines over the last couple of weeks. You have already mentioned that the outlook for pulp prices seems to be better for 2020.

My question is, under a scenario in which pulp prices start to recover in 2020 and perhaps only after the Chinese New Year festivities, when would you expect paper prices to react to this potential positive evolution of pulp prices at the beginning of the year? This will be my second question. If I may, further two questions. The first one on your CapEx expectations, particularly for 2020, and particularly considering this environmental CapEx commitment that you have as of today. If you could upgrade or update us on the CapEx expectations for 2020 will be good. Also related with CapEx, considering that you have a solid balance sheet and considering the depressed valuations that we see across the sector as of today, if you could consider any potential M&A opportunity, particularly in the tissue business for 2020.

The last question, if you could give us any visibility or if you have already any visibility on the final U.S. tariff, which I believe was expected to be announced between September and November this year. Thank you very much.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

I will ask António to answer the question on pulp demand, paper prices, and the U.S. tariff, okay? We'll move to the CapEx question.

António Redondo
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Thank you for your question. Let me start with pulp demand. Year to date in China, and let's speak a bit about hardwood. Year to date in China, the decrease has been 1.3%. In the last three months, and the last three months is June, July, and August, we don't have yet the September figures, we saw a rebound, meaning an increase of almost 5%. If you look to this quarter by quarter, you see that last year we have a record quarter of demand, which was Q3. As I mentioned previously, we had a very severe correction, a decrease in Q4 last year and Q1 this year. However, from April to July in China, the four months from April to July, they posted record sales in China already.

August was not a record sale, was slightly below last year, only because last year was the strongest August ever.

Most likely in September, it's going to be very difficult also to post a record because September last year was by far the highest month ever. Yes, we see a pickup in China. We expect we see a very strong period from April until July. We probably August and September will show, on a comparison year-on-year, will show a slight decrease just because it's a very difficult comparison with two strong months last year. Obviously, there is an element of psychology, and most likely there is an element of speculation on the evolution of pulp prices and purchases in China. We do believe with stocks available in ports and stocks at consumers, we believe depleted, we expect to see a strong rebound of pulp demand.

As far as we can see on the paper side, the demand of paper in U.S. already started to pick up and prices of paper, sorry, I said U.S., I mean China. Prices of paper in China also increased from the beginning of this year onwards. Regarding the impact on the paper side, you need to speak probably about three different segments and three different speeds of reaction. If we look to U.S., I think prices in U.S. have been relatively stable, and we have no reasons to believe that prices in U.S. will have a dramatic drop on the coming months. Hence, we can also not expect a dramatic increase if there is not a dramatic drop.

This is very much linked to the question you have raised in the end, I will comment to that, the balance of supply demand in USA and the role of imports and exports. I will come back to that probably a bit later. Europe, we know that there is a lag in Europe. It might be 10 weeks, might be 12 weeks. We might see paper prices still sliding a little down in the coming months. After the bottom of pulp cycle is achieved, as we said, we believe it might happen in the beginning of next year. With the same lag, we expect paper prices to increase from that moment onwards.

Regarding the international markets outside the two main regions, Europe and USA, paper prices typically drop very fast, which occurs in Q3 this year, but also is the market where paper prices recover, increase faster. As soon as we see signs of pulp prices increasing, we expect the international markets outside Europe and USA to react faster than Europe. Regarding your last question on the anti-dumping case, we don't have yet the decision regarding the second period of review. This decision is due latest by the middle of November, so we have a couple of weeks. As we said previously, we are quite confident and comfortable with the result that we are looking at. Of course, bearing in mind that in these cases, we might have surprises like we had last year, that we are able to revert quickly.

We have something that is very positive is that the USA, the same petitioners tried to raise a case against the same countries, so Australia, Brazil, China, Indonesia and Portugal on circumvention of rules, meaning that those countries were selling rules to circumvent the measure on sheets and to be able to supply and cut rules into sheets into USA. The ruling of the DOC was that they will not proceed this case against Portugal because once again, there is no evidence of any dumping from our case. This is a very positive news that was announced a few days ago. We expect this to be a positive sign for us.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Okay. João Paulo, you want to address the CapEx question?

João Paulo Oliveira
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Yes. Okay, concerning the CapEx, as I mentioned, we have until now invested EUR 88 million. I expect that we end up the year with EUR 120 million, EUR 130 million, we are forecasting for next year a slight decrease on this number.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

On the final question, you're right, we do have a solid balance sheet, but we want to be extremely prudent on how we deploy our resources and capital. The focus now on the tissue side is to consolidate our investment in Cacia and make sure that we have a well-performing and winning business model, which we think we will. That is where our priority is right now. We are not actively looking for any consolidation opportunities at this point in time.

Bruno Bessa
Analyst, CaixaBank BPI

Okay. Thank you very much. Very clear.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Luis de Toledo from BBVA. Please go ahead.

Luis de Toledo
Analyst, BBVA

Sorry. Good morning. Just two questions from me on my side. The first one, maybe if you could elaborate on the raw material, pulp and paper integration rate optimization that you're looking. If you could detail where is it coming from, if it's related with the new productions in heavyweight or tissue, or if you expect additional improvements in yields and how much improvement can we expect. The second one also on CapEx on the environmental program you announced, long-term 158 million EUR. If you could give us some hint on how we should expect that to be shared in the time span. Thank you very much.

João Paulo Oliveira
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Could we ask. We got the one on environmental CapEx. The first one, if we could ask you to repeat.

Luis de Toledo
Analyst, BBVA

Sure.

João Paulo Oliveira
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

You were speaking a bit fast, and it was not so clear for us. Thank you.

Luis de Toledo
Analyst, BBVA

Okay. You have referred to improvements in raw material integration in the amount of pulp that your digital paper production needs. I would like to know if that's related with a mix in paper, if there's improvements in yield that you are targeting, I would like to understand if that trend has additional room for improvement. That would be the question on raw material integration.

João Paulo Oliveira
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Back to your first question. I don't know if I understood correctly the question. We have announced EUR 158 million over a time span between 2020 and 2035. I will not be able to tell you specifically how much we will be investing a year. Maybe as a reference, we have acquired a new biomass boiler for our Figueira da Foz mill. That's a total investment of around EUR 55 million that's occurring between 2019 and 2020. Next year the new boiler will go live. Okay, very good. I think on the first question, Luis, I again, am not totally sure that we understood it, but I'll answer nevertheless, which is always a risky thing to do. On the pulp side, we mentioned that we have more pulp available for sale.

It is more related with the fact that we have to produce less paper and therefore we have to integrate less pulp, rather than specific consumption type of effect. Of course, we also invested in more pulp capacity. It's the product of these two things rather than optimization in terms of specific consumption of pulp into paper. Again, I'm not sure if that was your question. If it was not.

Luis de Toledo
Analyst, BBVA

Yeah

João Paulo Oliveira
Executive Board Member, The Navigator Company

Of course, happy to listen to it again and try to give it an answer.

Luis de Toledo
Analyst, BBVA

No, absolutely. That was the question. It's more on the mix and the lower production of pulp that you had more availability of pulp to sell to the market. It's not something about the specific consumption yields or new processes in which you're optimizing the production of paper. Although I know that you obviously constantly seek for that. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from João Calado from BiG. Please go ahead.

João Calado
Analyst, BiG

I had one on CapEx that was already replied, but maybe if you can comment on buybacks and if you expect them to continue going forward given that you already have this extra CapEx of the environmental program.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Again, you ask a question on the environmental program?

João Calado
Analyst, BiG

No, buyback.

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

I know. I didn't understand the buyback. Sorry.

Helena Rodrigues
CFO, The Navigator Company

Can you repeat, João, again, the question?

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

There were two questions, right?

João Calado
Analyst, BiG

Yeah. No, the CapEx is already replied. I was asking regarding buybacks, if you have any comments on going forward, what your plans are?

João Castello Branco
CEO, The Navigator Company

Okay. We will remain attentive to. Whenever we think the share is below its fundamental value, we will consider that possibility. I cannot say much more than this right now. Okay?

João Calado
Analyst, BiG

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions in the conference call. I now give back the floor to the company. Thank you.

Helena Rodrigues
CFO, The Navigator Company

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes our call. Thank you.