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Earnings Call: H1 2021

Jul 27, 2021

Operator

Good day, welcome to the H1 2021 Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Nadia Ben Salem-Nicolas . Please go ahead, ma'am.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone. Nadia Ben Salem-Nicolas speaking, Co-CEO in charge of finance. I'm very pleased to meet you through this call today, and I hope we'll have soon the opportunity to meet for real. Thanks for being with us for Nexity half-year results. I'm here with Véronique Bédague, new CEO of Nexity, as well as our CFO, Eric Lalechère, and the IR team. We'll first go through the presentation before taking your questions in a second step. Before we start, I draw your attention to the disclaimer on page two related to forward-looking statements and also to the definition of financial indicators.

Notably, given the change in scope we experienced during this semester, we decided to provide distinct disclosure for the disposed activities of Ægide, Domitys, and Century 21 on one side, and the so-called new scope that we'll continue to manage to help you to better understand our numbers. We hope you'll appreciate this effort in our communication. With that, let me hand it over to Véronique.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Thank you, Nadia. Hello, everybody. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today. Today is an important milestone in our dialogue with you, with me taking part into my new role of CEO and Nadia in her new role for finance. We'll really focus today's call on the numbers for the semester and the outlook for the rest of the year, and we are pleased to present you a very strong set of results, and that's probably the main point of our call today. Let me begin with the key highlights for the first half, which has been a period of intense construction for us. The first achievement I would like to highlight on slide four is about the completion of the strategic review launched at the end of last year.

Following the sale of Century 21 and Domitys, we now have a platform clearly refocused on services, maximizing the potential for cross-business synergy opportunities. This move has also contributed to increase our financial capacity since the transaction led to an overall decrease in net debt of EUR 1.2 billion, EUR 772 million in IFRS 16 debt, and EUR 400 million in net financial debt. It has also an accretive effect on operational margin since the discontinued activities, as you well know, were loss-making. On top of everything, and it's a point which is very important for us, we have reached a long-term agreement with AG2R La Mondiale. We are committed to produce service in your residencies for Domitys, and AG2R La Mondiale is now a key shareholder of Nexity, part of the concert group with 3% of the capital as end of June.

We are very satisfied with the outcome of this strategic review, which has been concluded in less than six months, and I think it's really an achievement, with terms maximizing creation value for our shareholders. Let's turn the page and go to slide five concerning the reshuffling of the Executive Committee, which has been, as you can imagine, a top priority for me since I have been appointed CEO. In addition to Nadia now leading finance, Jean-Claude Bassien is becoming my Deputy. Hélène Romano, who is a very experienced housing real estate developer and has been with Nexity for the last 15 years, has been appointed as VP of housing real estate. I have also recruited Stéphane Dalliet, who was the Chief Executive Officer of Pitch.

This is a strong and experienced team, mixing people who have been with Nexity for a long time and people who have more recently arrived. They will together steer the transformation ahead while nurturing the specific Nexity culture. The third highlight for the first semester is our strong delivery, as indicated on slide six. Our new home reservations are stable in value compared to last year. All the signs show that we are back to a profitable growth path. We experienced a strong revenue rebound, up 34% versus 2020 and 26% versus 2019. Our percentage of current operational profit at 6.6% in the first semester for the new scope is consistent with the levels we have in the first semester of 2019. Of course, our balance sheet is strengthened. Our net debt went further down to 1.7 x EBITDA at the end of the semester.

As I told you when I began my intervention, we have a very strong set of results to show you today. On slide seven, and it's the 4th highlight for this webcast, I am particularly pleased and proud to remind you that Nexity has been selected as the number one developer in France in 2020. In residential real estate, and it has been the case, as you remember, for the past six years. This year, we have also been nominated as the number one developer in commercial real estate as well, which is the 1st time in Nexity's history. We also stand out for our commitment to an inclusive and low-carbon city, as you can see with the Innovapresse classification. After having set the stage with the key highlights, let's now move to the detailed business review for our main lines of activity.

That will be slide nine. Let's begin with residential real estate, which represents 70% of our revenue. The main topic of concern in this area is, of course, the shortage of building permits. We are facing a very unusual political cycle while the number of granted building permits usually rebound 6 months after the local elections, usually in September, and it almost happened last year, as you can see on the graph. This didn't really happen last year. On the graph in the left part of the slide, you can see a rebound in May from the low point of February, but the trend still needs to be confirmed. This shortage has become a political issue, and the Prime Minister has set up a commission called Commission Rebsamen, of which I am a member.

We plan to make a list of propositions in September to try and solve the problem. In this tense environment, we were able to keep our sales supply stable. The number of granted permits remains steady compared to last year, and we were able to solicit twice as many permits, and that's very important for us. We, therefore, are a very dynamic portfolio in the making, which gives us the strength to deliver this year again around 20,000 new home reservations for the full year. Moving to the demand on slide 10, you can see in the graph on the left side of the slide that we faced a strong retail demand, up 31% compared to first semester 2020. We expect a boost in bulk sales, which are non-linear throughout the year during the second semester.

The consequence of lack of supply and strong demand is that prices are still rising, up 4% compared to last year, as you can see on the right side of the slide. Moving to commercial real estate on slide 11, which represents 10% of our revenue. You are aware of the main features of this market, of course, which is cyclical, as in definitely at the bottom of the current cycle. The vacancy ratio is peaking, and the office rental demand remains tepid. In this context, we signed EUR 307 million worth of order intake. We are counting on our product offer called Nexity at Work, geared towards helping companies to steer their transformation through their office layout to stay very close to our clients during this period. On the next two slides, you will find example of what we are doing.

For instance, on slide 12, to illustrate Nexity knowhow in connecting its skills together to build the city of the future, you can see the office building named New, which has been completed during the first half of 2021. On the following slide, you can see that we are part of the largest ongoing French urban project, Le Village des Athlètes, and it's really a nice time to talk about it because it will be for the next Olympic. It's a district development named the Athlete Village. Let's conclude this business review with the key figures on slide 14 for services. A third business line, which represents 20% of our revenue. In a nutshell, property management is growing, distribution is buoyant, and operation are recovering. The student residencies are 92% full, but the occupancy rate is still 80% for co-working, yet quickly improving.

Speaking about co-working, you will find in slide 15 an interesting project offering by Morning. It is operating in Clichy, an entire building for L'Oréal. At Nexity, we are convinced that co-working per se or building managed by a co-worker for a sole company, will be part of the solution the companies will choose in the wave of the sanitary crisis. Now, I will let the floor to Nadia for the financial review.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

Thank you, Véronique. Let's start this review with the P&L on slide 17, for which we provided comparative numbers not only for 2020, which was impacted by COVID-19 crisis, but also for 2019 as a more normative point of reference, I would say. Reported revenue was EUR 2.3 billion for the semester, EUR 2.1 billion if we exclude the EUR 211 million contribution from Ægide-Domitys and Century 21 sold in the first half.

This represents an increase of 34% against the low point of 2020 and of 26% versus the pre-COVID level of H1 2019. I'll go through the details by business in the next slide in a minute. Operating profit, as you can see, was EUR 362 million, breaking down into EUR 136 million for the current operating profit for the new scope. Plus EUR 226 million, primarily related to the very nice capital gain we made on the disposals of the semester.

As a reminder, Ægide-Domitys was a loss-making business with an operating loss of minus EUR 3 million in 2020. The net financial expenses were up to EUR 44 million, mainly reflecting the rise in interest expense on lease liabilities. The reduction in debt following the disposals will help to cut net financial expense from H2 onwards. Tax expense. It was EUR 32 million, representing an effective tax rate of 28% compared with 30% last year. Our net profit came to a record level of EUR 283 million. If we exclude the one-off effects related to the change in scope, net profit amounts to EUR 77 million, so the last number at the bottom line. It's 3 x the level of last year and an increase of more than 50% against 2019 levels. Overall, a very strong set of results and an excellent financial performance, as Véronique Bédague highlighted.

Let's see the details of the revenues with the bridge on slide 18. You can see that the largest contributor to revenue growth was the residential real estate development, sorry, in blue, up by almost half a billion EUR versus last year. Out of which we estimate on one side, a sort of catch-up impact of around EUR 300 million from COVID base last year. On the other side, around EUR 200 million from business growth, implying more than 20% of organic growth, I would say. For H2, we are at the stage of the year, cautious, and we currently expect slightly lower revenues compared to the strong H2 of last year, given the forecasted progress on construction and less notarial deeds as a consequence of longer approval times for building permits. Nevertheless, residential real estate development should post a nice double-digit growth for the whole year.

For commercial real estate development, so the box in green, revenues were slightly down given the high base of last year from the sale of the Paris Regional Council building. Please keep in mind that H2 will also be a semester of revenue decline for this business, given the exceptional EUR 400 million revenue impact from the sale of the Ecocampus in La Garenne-Colombes end of last year. Finally, services, so the box in purple, also contributed to revenue development of the semester. With revenues up 16% versus 2020 and plus 8% versus 2019, with all activities in the platform growing, as Véronique highlighted in the first section. Services should post the high single-digit growth for the full year. Moving on slide 19, to the current operating profit.

Current operating profit, which, as I said, EUR 136 million, is the double of last year level in terms of absolute amount in EUR term. It represents a margin of 6.6%, a strong rebound, which put us back to our pre-COVID level, as you can see in the red U curve on the left, showing our quick recovery and boding well for the rest of the year. Looking at the details by business on the bridge on the right, the largest contributors to profit growth were the residential real estate development, with a margin rebounding from zero last year to almost 6% at the end of the semester. We expect full-year margin to be back above 8.5%, taking into account the managed impact of rising construction costs and change in client mix.

Regarding the commercial real estate development, in green, margin was down given the base effect of last year and the progress of the various projects on the way, but still pretty high, very high level at 15.8% margin above the level we anticipate for the year as a whole, which should be closer to our historical levels. To a lesser extent, the services also contributed to profit growth. Their margin increased from 4% to 6.6%, benefiting from top-line recovery and from the exclusion of the loss-making business of Ægide-Domitys. Now moving to cash flow with a focus on the working capital on slide 20. Working capital increased by almost EUR 400 million in the semester as the mechanical result of two distinct effects.

On one side, you can see that on the second column of the table, an increase of almost EUR 240 million related to the anticipated reverse effect of the significant down payments we received end of last year for programs in Reiwa, at Saint Ouen and La Garenne-Colombes, which led the commercial real estate to end, you might remember that, the year with an exceptionally highly negative working capital at minus EUR 267 million. This working capital returned to a more normal level end of June, but it remained negative, as you can see, minus EUR 85 million, and it is expected to continue to increase for the rest of the year in respect of the continued consumption of the down payments. Adjusted for this, the increase in working capital was EUR 161 million, comparable with what is usually recorded in H1.

In residential, the working capital requirement to backlog remained under control at 20.5%, in line with our historical levels. Overall, the message here is that the working capital continues to be managed very carefully and with almost no unsold units remaining in portfolio. Looking ahead, given the pipeline working capital should continue to increase by year-end. Let's now see the impacts of those various building blocks on our level of debt with the bridge in slide 21. Here, we're talking about net debt before any lease liabilities. From left to right, we opened the year with EUR 655 million net debt on the balance sheet, representing a leverage ratio of 1.19 EBITDA. You see the green boxes. The strategic review contributed overall to decrease the net financial debt by almost EUR 400 million.

You have EUR 100 million that were already booked in full year 2020 statements with debt reclassification under IFRS 5. You have an additional, an extra EUR 300 million reduction in the semester with, on one side, EUR 200 million cash proceeds from the disposals and around EUR 100 million of cancellation of the commitments to buy out minority interest.

The boxes in purple, the business generated a negative free cash flow of around EUR 320 million, which is a very common feature in the first half in this period of the year, which has been accentuated by the change in working capital I just mentioned. Taking into account the dividend paid to shareholders in May, so the blue box. This brings the net debt as of end of June to EUR 690 million, which means 1.7 x EBITDA, which is down from a level of 2.3 x, only two years ago.

1.7 x is a very comfortable level that gives us room to look at the future with confidence, with serenity, with ambition. Keep in mind that given the slight increase in working capital I mentioned earlier, this leverage ratio should increase reasonably by year-end. In slide 22, we are all the more confident when we look at our financial structure since we issued last April a new bond at a very low and a very attractive rate, allowing us to extend to 2028, EUR 240 million debt, leading to actually very limited debt reimbursement over the next three years, as you can see on the graph, on the right. To conclude this financial review, and before I hand it over to Véronique for the outlook and for the conclusion, a look at our balance sheet.

A balance sheet that is strong, that is healthy, that is sound, with a level of equity growing to EUR 1.9 billion and a debt only 30% of that amount.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Thank you, Nadia. Let me finish with our strong confidence for the future. As can be seen on slide 25, we are enjoying a high visibility on future revenue. Our backlog is worth two years of activity and our global pipeline three years. It is stable, but I want to draw your attention to the fact that this stability hides significant moves in and out the pipeline. Our revenue is rising, which means that there is a high outflow from the backlog, but at the same time, the flow of projects coming into the business potential is high too, allowing the pipeline to remain stable. Of course, we are operating in an uncertain environment, as highlighted in the next slide 26.

I am sure that in the Q&A session, you will mention the uncertainty of the economic recovery, the bottleneck of building permits, the rise in construction costs, the environmental constraints, the risk of increase in interest rates, and the phasing out of the Pinel scheme. Everything is here, but Nexity is organized in a way that allows us to face with confidence all these risks, because our core business has been, from the very beginning, about dealing with uncertainty. That's what real estate development is about. We have strong assets to address this and make the difference in a competitive manner. First, our wide and ever-extending range of products, comprehensive territorial coverage. In a nutshell, we are everywhere. A step ahead on low carbon construction, and finally, our size and scale purchasing power.

Having said that, in the light of the strong results we are posting for H1, we are pleased to confirm the guidance we set at the beginning of the year, and to precise it reflect the expectations of our new scope of activity for the rest of the year. Beyond business indicators, in terms of revenues, we expect to reach EUR 4.4 billion for the full year for the new scope, excluding any contribution from dispose activities. Keep in mind that compared to 2019, this guidance implies a revenue growth of around 10%. In terms of current operating profit, we expect to reach EUR 360 million for the new scope, representing a 25% increase versus last year and an operating margin above 8%, back to our 2019 levels on the same scope.

We are cautious, you know us, as usual, given the uncertainties of our environment, but fundamentally confident, given our performance year to date and our strengthened financial structure, and organized to fight and win in a transforming market. To conclude this presentation, let me remind you that our commitment is to create and share value for all our stakeholders. This is our value proposition. We offer our clients an integrated real estate platform, our employees a strong and meaningful culture, and our shareholders a performing and responsible investment proposition. That is for today. Keep in mind that we are working with my team on an updated midterm roadmap, on which we will expect to get back to you at some point by the end of H1 next year. With that, I think we can now open the floor to Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off. Again, it is star one to ask a question. The first question comes from Nicolas Tabor at Stifel.

Nicolas Tabor
Analyst, Stifel

Yes, good evening. Can you hear me well?

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Very well. Good evening, Nicolas.

Nicolas Tabor
Analyst, Stifel

Good evening. Thank you very much for taking my question. Congratulations on your nominations, obviously. I had a first few questions on the working capital, just to clarify how it should evolve. Residential side, obviously, if building permits are picking up and so on, we should see an increase. Can you give us some kind of idea in terms of percentage of the backlog, what you target for the year, and for H2? Then also looking at the commercial real estate development, we've seen sort of a normalization in H1 as expected, and how much more normalization can we expect in H2? Is there not much change because there will be not much revenue recognition related to the ENGIE Ecocampus? How should we think about that? Same for the line called others, obviously, which is a bit more difficult to track.

On a second question, the dividend policy. Can you remind us of what you guide for 2021 dividend to be paid in 2022? Is there already some kind of range guidance percentage we can look at? Thank you.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

If that's fine for you, I suggest Eric take the first one related to, I would say, the outlook for working capital, and I might take the second one on dividend policy and overall capital allocation priorities, if I may. Okay?

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

Good evening, everybody. About our working capital requirement, I will just say that for residential estate, we think that it will kind of have a slight increase. It is not about active housing, as the rate of commercialization is still very good, but it is with the delay of mounting new operations that we can have to have more expenses before launching commercialization, so that we can have some increase in our working capital requirement. I think it's not so a point to be worried, as it's quite a good way to see that as our backlog is increasing, it's quite normal that our working capital requirement is still increasing. We said that, if you look like at the historical level, we can be always around 20%, that's quite the normal way to see the thing.

It's not a point to be worried if you can go maybe up to 22%, 23%, as it's more important to see the quality of our working capital requirement and what it is made of. What I point out is that it's not about unsold housing. As for commercial, we have a very particular situation with a big down payment end in 2020. Of course, we are consuming this down payment until this year. We think that the working capital requirement will stay below zero, but of course, we have still expenses to do the sizing of the cooperation. For the La Garenne-Colombes project with ENGIE, the process is going well, as we make the agreement with the construction, so that we can have a good construction and we have no worry about the budget.

Of course, this year is much used for the first works, but not really representative in revenue, so that the revenue will start more important in 2022, until completion in 2024.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

This is for the question related to working capital outlook. When it comes to dividends, I think what we can already say is that regarding returns to shareholders, Nexity priority has always been to establish a solid distribution policy. We have a good track record. We have always been careful to the level of dividends. At last AGM, which was end of May, I think we already took the commitment that next year dividend would be above EUR 2 per share. Returns to shareholders, it's a board decision, and it's discussed and reviewed by the board every year, and then it will be discussed in due time after the full year results.

Maybe more broadly when it comes to capital allocation priorities, which I think is maybe your underlying question behind the question on dividend level, what we can say, to put things in perspective, is that maybe first, when it comes to the strategic review, it's now complete. There are really no other major disposals to be expected in the midterm. When you look at our balance sheet, we have a debt ratio today that is at 1.7 x, at the end of the first semester. As I said, we think it's a low point. It's a very comfortable level that gives us room to look at the future with ambition, as I said. Given the further increase in working capital that Eric just elaborated, this ratio should increase reasonably by year end. I said reasonably.

We said overall, consistently with what we said in the past, we're comfortable with the level of debt net up to a range of 2.53 x EBITDA, obviously won't reach this level by end of this year. When it comes to M&A, I would say very big transforming M&A is not on top of the list of our immediate capital allocation priorities. We see investment in land bank as something more critical in the short term, given current scarcity of land, as well as investment in our transformation, and notably in the digitalization of tools and services, to respond even more effectively to our customers' demands. That being said, we don't exclude external growth opportunities, but it will more around targeted bolt-on opportunities complementary to our service platform. Targeted bolt-on, not transforming.

The consequence of that is that it should leave still enough room to maintain a very attractive policy of returns to shareholders.

Sorry, it's been a long answer, but I think that was the underlying meaning of your question behind dividend level.

Nicolas Tabor
Analyst, Stifel

Thank you very much.

Operator

Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one. Star one to ask a question. The next question comes from Marie Fort at SG.

Marie Fort
Analyst, SG

Yes, good evening. Just a very simple question and perhaps stupid, just I would try to reconcile your new guidance in terms of operating income. You were targeting before EUR 350 million. Does this target was including the impact of Ægide-Domitys or not? It's just to compare egg by egg.

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

Yes, you're right, Marie. The previous target was with comparable perimeter, so that we anticipate a part of the loss is Ægide-Domitys and contributions and derivatives at the beginning of the year. We think that now this is solved. It's more simple to speak about the new scope. The new scope is without this sold disposal activities. That's why we explain that our guidance, that is with the same forecast, there is no evolution. That is just clarification on a new scope. We now target EUR 360 million EBIT at a minimal level for 2021.

Marie Fort
Analyst, SG

Okay. in fact, if we reintegrate the EBIT from Ægide-Domitys during the H1, your new guidance should have been EUR 400 million. Is it correct?

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

Not at all, because you have a specific treatment with IFRS 5 and IFRS 16. With IFRS 5, we can have no more amortization of the right of use for your asset. The operating income of first half of 2021 is forced because we have no amortization from this asset. It's about EUR 55 million you don't have in the recognition. That's why we prefer to speak on the whole of the impact of the disposal. That's about EUR 226 million on our EBIT. That is more simple to see and not to focus about what the component of what we have sold and have no more in mind for us.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

Long story short, just if I may rephrase it, Eric, the EUR 40 million that you see as a result of sold disposed activities for Ægide, don't take it as an economic value. It's really the technicalities of the accounting norm of IFRS 5. Economically speaking, Ægide-Domitys was still a loss-making business as of end of H1. If you take into account the technicalities of IFRS 5 and the end of the amortization of the lease, it brings this positive number.

Marie Fort
Analyst, SG

Okay. Next question.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

I know it's sad news that-- I don't know if those technicalities of IFRS 5 rules are clearer. Long story short, no, you should not have taken the contribution of Ægide-Domitys' economical contribution to EUR 40 million in the first half.

Marie Fort
Analyst, SG

Reinsuring. Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

If you find that your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. The next question comes from Laurent Gillet at Exane.

Laurent Gillet
Analyst, Exane

Good evening, Nexity team. Laurent speaking. Sorry, good evening. Regarding the number of permits being filled in this H1. You mentioned it is 2 x the number of H1 2020, but if I'm not wrong, in H1 2020 it was very difficult to fill permits because of the lockdown. Can you give us the hard data? How many permits have you been filling in this H1, and how does it compare to H1 2019, for instance?

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

I think you have much more to understand that as a dynamic. Of course, 2020 may be a low level because of the election, but we still have permits. What we just want to mention, that the dynamic is here, and we have a good forecast, and we have to put that in mind because we would just want to ensure that our forecast for 20,000 reservation homes this year is quite reachable, because we have the potential to do that.

Laurent Gillet
Analyst, Exane

What will be the number of permits you have been filling in this H1 then?

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

That's not an information we disclose. It's obviously, I would say, sensitive information vis-a-vis competition, notably. I think the point here, as Eric said, is that it's really an accelerated dynamic from a 2020 level that was not such a low point, actually. Actually also a very good dynamic versus 2019 levels. We could say that it's the double of maybe the average of the last three years.

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

Yes, of course. It's also to see with larger size of Nexity. We are increasing our sales. Of course, we have a natural increase in our permit.

Laurent Gillet
Analyst, Exane

Okay. Thank you for this. Regarding, as you have been mentioning the risk at the end of your presentation, the evolution of construction costs and stuff like that for the Ecocampus from ENGIE, now you have been able to set up the contract with the companies, with your subcontractors, you have 100% visibility on this?

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Yeah. We can confirm that.

Laurent Gillet
Analyst, Exane

Okay.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Yeah.

Laurent Gillet
Analyst, Exane

For the implementation of the new norms regarding low carbon activities for next year and so on. Are you still seeing a potential increase of construction cost of 5%-10% at some point, or are you able now to be more comfortable on this risk?

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Well, I don't know exactly what you are talking about. The specific details of the new 2020 energy regulation, since they have not been decided yet, so it's difficult to measure the impact it could have. However, we believe like all regulation projects, as you know, because we are really committed to low carbon for a long time, projects already go beyond what will be required by this regulation as far as we know. The additional cost will remain marginal. As I told you last time, we are really working hard on our construction mode.

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

Constructive mode.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

What?

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

Constructive mode.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Constructive mode, sorry. To be able to produce low carbon buildings at an affordable price. That's really at the heart of what we are doing today at Nexity.

Laurent Gillet
Analyst, Exane

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Pierre Pouchelon at Jefferies.

Pierre Pouchelon
Analyst, Jefferies

Yes, good evening. Just to come back on the guidance, just to make sure that I understand everything. The EUR 4.6 billion that you gave in Q1 was excluding Ægide-Domitys, so the EUR 4.6 billion. Now you are guiding on EUR 4.4 billion. Can you give us the bridge between this EUR 4.6 billion and the EUR 4.4 billion, given the fact that you were saying that you were already excluding Ægide-Domitys?

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

Nadia speaking, thank you for the question, that's a fair question. The guidance of last time, in Q1, EUR 4.6 billion for the full year, was including, actually, one semester of contribution from the sold activities. It was including a contribution until the assets were disposed. What the guidance is reflecting is just the new scope, without any contribution of those disposed activities. Long story short, the overall revenues of the disposed activities on a full year basis, it's about EUR 400 million. The previous guidance, the EUR 4.6, was including half of that, EUR 200 million. The new guidance excludes anything from the disposed activities, EUR 4.4 billion. Are the math clearer for you?

Pierre Pouchelon
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah. In terms of IFRS rule, will you be communicating on the half year basis you're taking into account half year of Ægide-Domitys or not?

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

Yes, for IFRS rules, we have half-year Domitys, and our published figures will be about EUR 4.6 billion. We prefer to speak about our new scope, because we speak about operating income, about EUR 360 on the new scope. We just want to focus that the revenue of the new scope will be about EUR 4.4 million. Of course, our real revenue will be about EUR 4.6 million, including EUR 211 million from the half-semester of Ægide and Century 21.

Pierre Pouchelon
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. That's much clearer. Coming back on your expectations on margin, you are seeing in a paragraph in your report that you are expecting a nice recovery of margin for the residential business. Can we expect in H2, coming back to 2018, 2019 level, in terms of margin?

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

That's a fair question. What I indicated is that we're confident to have the residential real estate development margin for the full year, a margin close to above 8.5%, which implies indeed a double-digit margin level for the second half of the year, mechanically, given that we closed H1 at 6.

Pierre Pouchelon
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. What about the recovery of building permits?

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

This will have more and more an effect on the level of revenue.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Yeah. Then on the margin itself.

Pierre Pouchelon
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you.

Eric Lalechère
CFO, Nexity

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Nicolas Tabor at Stifel.

Nicolas Tabor
Analyst, Stifel

Hello again. Can you hear me well?

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

Hello again.

Nicolas Tabor
Analyst, Stifel

Yes. Sorry, I had one more question. Just on the You mentioned your company and maybe other competitors will enter discussion with the government in how to help have a rebound in the number of building permits. My question is what can be done and is already known that could be done potentially other than just the préfet granting building permits for social housing, I mean? How much can the president be involved in the mayor's territory when it could, let's say, trigger pushback from, let's say, some political parties and so on, and could be, let's say, difficult to manage? What are the discussions? Where are you, and what can you already tell us?

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

I don't know what you can share exactly in terms of what is currently being discussed in the commission, Véronique.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

We are still in the first steps of the discussion, of course, but there is some pressure on us from the government, to be able to reach some proposition at the end of September. There's, of course, always a fiscal proposition. That's one part. There are other proposition about the local municipality's revenues, because with the suppression of the taxe d'habitation, new inhabitants don't give more revenue to local authorities, which is a very big problem for local authorities, and also reflection about simplification of the law concerning building permits. Everything is on the table, and we still have to work on that and make priorities. I think that the effect of the Rebsamen commission, the first effect is that now, the question of the building permits is becoming a political problem. I see mayors almost every week, as you can imagine.

They now feel the pressure from the inhabitants to get new housing. I think that something is moving in the local authorities. I hope that the rebound we saw in May will be strengthening on H2. I think really there's something happening there. I couldn't put real figures on that. Honestly, we are seeing these days permits for significant operations coming back. Something happening, I cannot tell you exactly the range and the strength of this movement, but something's happening.

Nicolas Tabor
Analyst, Stifel

Thank you very much.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

And maybe-

Nicolas Tabor
Analyst, Stifel

Oh, sorry.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

I could add something. The more I think about it's really about field work. It's a culture at Nexity. We go, we see the mayors, their teams, we discuss with them. We have a really incredible range of products, and we are very open to suggestion, and I think it does really help us to get these famous permits at the end of the day. It's really work. It's hard work, it's field work, it's ground work. That's what we are doing these days, and I'm taking my part in that work, honestly.

Nicolas Tabor
Analyst, Stifel

Thank you very much.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Honestly, the doors of the mayor are not closed. You can go, you can see them, you can discuss with them.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

Okay.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Maybe I could come back. Sorry, Nadia. It's the end of a very long day. On La Garenne-Colombes, I told you that we have made the contract for the construction. I could add that we are below what we expected in our operations financial balance. Because I think it gives you an idea of how we built these operations financial balances, generally speaking, at Nexity. I think we were prepared for what's happening here now. It gives you an idea of what's happening on our main projects right now.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

You mean notably in terms of construction cost?

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Construction cost, yes.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

Yeah. Okay.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Do not underestimate our purchasing power, too. I think it's a good example to give, because it's a big contract.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

Agree. Very concrete example.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

We are below what we expected.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

Yeah. Probably the best example of our ability to anticipate this type of evolution.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

We are a cautious company.

Nadia Salem-Nicolas
Co-CEO in Charge of Finance, Nexity

I'm afraid, looking at the IR team, that we'll have to stop here. Maybe I will reiterate that we are very pleased with Véronique with this strong set of results, which maybe ahead expectation. Congrats to all the teams that contributed to make those numbers happen. The teams on the field, the M&A team for the strategic review. If someone did not ask a question during this call, the IR team is here at your service as usual tonight and tomorrow. Have a good evening. Good luck for the marathon of the reporting season, and have a nice summer, everyone. Bye-bye.

Véronique Bédague
CEO, Nexity

Maybe, Nadia, if we could add something. Don't remain stuck with figures you don't understand. The new scope is something difficult to understand. I can tell you we spent a lot of time with Eric telling us everything about the figures. If it's complicated for you, be reassured it was complicated for us. Don't remain stuck, and just call us, and we will explain these figures again if you need us to do that. Good evening. Thank you very much for listening to us and being with us tonight. Bye-bye.

Operator

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