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Earnings Call: Q1 2025

Apr 24, 2025

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our 2025 Q1 revenue presentation. This presentation will be made by Duncan Minto, CFO of Renault Group, and will be followed by a Q&A session. Duncan, the floor is yours.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Thanks, Philippine. Good morning, everybody, or good afternoon, wherever you're joining from around the world. Pleasure to be with you this morning to present the Group Q1 revenue results for 2025. In Q1, Group revenue was broadly in line with last year at EUR 11.7 billion. At constant exchange rates, it was up 0.6%. Automotive revenue stood at EUR 10.1 billion, down 3%, or down 2.2% at constant exchange rates. Mobility services amounted to EUR 23 million, up EUR 8 million compared with last year.

Mobilize Financial Services revenue was up 22.3% to EUR 1.5 billion, mainly driven by the increase in average ticket per vehicle and still benefiting from the growing interest rate trend over the last years. It increased by 23.5% at constant exchange rates.

Moving on to the drill down of the automotive revenue, they stood at EUR 10.1 billion, as I said, down 2.2% at constant exchange rates, with a negative foreign exchange impact of 0.8 points. As in previous quarters, this impact was driven by the devaluation of the Brazilian real, the Argentinian peso, and the Turkish lira. As you know, the Turkish lira has a positive impact on our production costs, though, so it's not all bad news.

The second part is the volume. Volume effect was negative for minus 2.6 points in the quarter, as the growth of 2.9% in Group registrations was offset by a higher destocking at independent dealers this quarter compared to the same quarter last year. We'll come back to this in just a second. To look into the registrations, the 2.9% growth worldwide in Q1 translated to 565,000 registrations at the Group level.

In Europe, we confirm our number three position in passenger car and light commercial vehicle market with 402,000 registrations. That's up 2.8% in a market that was down 2%. The situation is quite different between passenger cars and light commercial vehicles. In Europe, for passenger cars, we posted a 10% growth in a market down 0.5%.

We strongly outperformed the market in all major European countries, with particularly strong growth in Spain, the UK, and Germany. In the latter, our sales were back to growth in a market that's still down. We remained, and we will do, fully focused on sales quality, and we use four KPIs internally. First, the retail channel represented 58.5% of passenger car Group sales. It's around 17 points above the European market average.

The second one for us is pursuing the conquest, as previously announced, of the C and above segments in our five main European countries. For the Renault brand, they represented 40.6% of the brand's European sales. This is up four points compared to last year, driven by Rafale, Espace, Scenic, and Symbioz, in addition to Arkana and Austral, and soon completed by the C SUV for international. At Dacia, the launch of Bigster will open the way of the conquest of the C segment as of Q2.

The third KPI for us is the version mix, so top-of-the-range versions continue to represent a significant share of our mix. At Renault, the Esprit Alpine and Iconic versions represented 27% of the mix in Q1. It's an increase of seven points compared to last year. At Dacia, high-trim mix represented 71% of sales of Duster and 64% of Jogger in Q1.

Finally, we keep preserving our focus on residual values on passenger cars, which remain in the scale of 4-13 points above our peers. This will be continued in our ongoing product offensive, and we continue to track these four KPIs as part of our key plan. On LCV in Europe, the situation is quite different.

On top of a decreasing market of close to 12%, we had to cope with the end of sales of Express last year, not yet fully offset by Kangoo, and the progressive ramp-up of New Master, which has not yet reached its full diversity. As you know, it always takes longer to deploy an LCV because of the large diversity compared to the passenger car range. LCV's performance should improve by the end of H2 with the availability of the full diversity of Master. This was for Europe.

On international markets, we enjoyed double-digit growth in all regions except Eurasia, strongly outperforming in all markets, plus 21.1% in Latin America, more than doubling the growth of the market, and 13.9% in Asia-Pacific versus a market up 4.2%. Africa, Middle East was also up 12.3% in a market that grew by only 5.5%.

Eurasia is the only exception due to Turkey, which suffered from an unfavorable comparison base last year in Q1 2024 in relation to the anticipation of sales pre-elections, and accentuated by the change of branding strategy we have for Duster, switching from Dacia to the Renault brand. Looking at the Renault brand, it continued its progression in Q1 2025 with global sales up 6.5% at 389,000 units.

In Europe, passenger car sales were up 17.7% and strongly outperformed the market, which was down 0.5%, thanks to the success of Renault 5 and hybrid vehicles combined with the continued growth in C segment and above. Looking at passenger cars and light commercial vehicles, Renault ranks number three in Europe, number one in France and Spain. Clio is also number three in Europe across all channels. On LCV in Europe, despite the market and our transitioning product plan, the brand remains number two.

Overseas, Renault started to benefit from the strong success of our international game plan. In South Korea, sales were boosted by the strong commercial success of Grand Koleos, launched in September last year. The SUV is currently being launched in Gulf countries and in Latin America.

The progressive deployment of Kardian in Latin America drove a 21.1% sales increase in Q1, with particularly strong growth in Argentina at plus 89%, and Colombia plus 40%, followed by Brazil plus 11%. Kardian's launch in Morocco in December contributed to the 45% sales growth in the country in Q1.

Renault brand is pursuing its electrification strategy. EV sales increased by 88% in Q1 compared to last year. After a remarkable progression of EV mix throughout the year in 2024, we started at 10.7% in Q1. We're at 16.2% in Q4. EV mix increased again in Q1 2025 to reach 17.1% of sales. This increase will be pursued with a ramp-up of our recent EV launches, Renault 5, Scenic, New Master, and with a launch this year of Renault 4.

Renault 5 E-Tech is the number one EV in France across all segments, the number one B segment EV in Europe. Its deployment in Europe is still ongoing, notably in the UK and the Nordics. Hybrid sales increased by 46% in Q1 2025, further driving the continuous increase in our hybrid mix to 44.1%. We were 35% in Q1 2024. As we went out of Q4, we were 38%, so the strong dynamic continues.

The brand also confirms its second position in the hybrid European market, thanks to Clio, Captur, and Symbiose. All in all, electrified sales represented 61.2% of Renault brand sales in Q1. At the Group level, electrified sales mix stood at 44.2% in Europe, up 15.3 percentage points compared to last year, with a hybrid mix at 31%, up 10.2 percentage points, and an EV mix at 13.2%, which is up 5.1 percentage points.

Turning now to Dacia, Dacia outpaced the market with sales up 0.6% in Europe at 154,000 registrations, despite a market down 2%. Sandero is once again the best-selling car across all channels in Europe in Q1, with 68,000 units sold. Duster sales increased by nearly 12%, with 50,000 units sold, and remains the best-selling SUV in retail. Bigster is getting ready for its launch in Q2. It embodies the Dacia offensive for the C SUV segment.

It's already recorded more than 13,000 orders, largely above the plan, and even before its arrival in the dealer network. Worldwide, Dacia recorded sales down 2%, mainly, as I said earlier, to the switch of the brand strategy for Duster in Turkey, which is now sold under the Renault brand as per the international game plan.

Turning to Alpine, which recorded more than 2,000 registrations in Q1, it's almost double compared to last year as we have the very start of the ramp-up of A290, the first sporty electric hot hatch in France. In March, the Alpine A110 lineup evolved with two new versions, the GTS and the R70. The R70 is a limited series of 770 units to celebrate the 70th anniversary of Alpine.

We will celebrate that on 27 May 2025, where we will present the new A390 in Dieppe, next to Alpine Dieppe Jean Rédélé Manufacture, the name of the plant in which it will be produced. The future five-seat sport fastback will be the brand's second 100% electric model. Turning from the brands to the inventories, I did say that the growth in sales registration was offset by the negative impact of stock evolution.

Inventories at the end of March 2025 stood at 560,000 units. This is slightly up 20,000 units compared to December due to a restocking at the Group level in line with a regular seasonal pattern. It will allow us to operate smoothly and be prepared for the ongoing launches we have coming up. This stock increase at Group level is partially offset by a destocking at independent dealers in line with regular seasonal patterns.

Looking at the impact on our volume bucket in the walkdown, this quarter destocking at independent dealers was stronger. As you can see on the graph, 97,000 units in Q1 2025, which is more than the same decrease in the previous period, which was 73,000 units last year. This larger destocking impacted negatively our volume effect.

We continue to implement a strict discipline on the management of our global inventories, and we confirm that we will reduce total inventories towards the end of H1. The total stock is underpinned by a sound order book. We stood at around two months of forward sales at the end of March with indicators all clear on aging and customer matching.

If we turn from stock to partners in the next part of the walkdown, sales to partners had a negative effect of 3.5 percentage points in Q1 2025, mainly due to the high comparison base. We had two things. First, a positive R&D billing one-off was recorded in Q1 2024. Second, revenues from powertrains have been deconsolidated as we move to Horse at the end of May 2024. These two impacts explain most of the decrease.

In addition, we're also in a transition period prior to the production of Nissan Micra, which will come in H2. I think this will therefore turn back to positive in the next nine months of the year. If we look now at the price, product mix, and geographical mix impacts, as expected, the price effect was stable in Q1, though positive at 0.5%, reflecting a phase of price stabilization.

As already mentioned, Renault Group aims to offset negative currency effects by pricing actions while giving a portion of its cost reduction back to its customers, mainly through content. This way, this supports the competitiveness of the group's vehicles while protecting margins. The product mix effect was solid at 3.7%, explained by the ramp-up of new models: Scenic E-Tech, Symbiose, Rafale, Renault 5, Gran Koleos, Duster. New models represented in the quarter 28.3% of our invoices.

This was 5% back in H1 last year, moving to 18.2% in Q3 and 24.7%. The acceleration to 28.3% confirms the dynamic. It will continue to be a key driver in the coming quarters. The positive impact of new products more than offset the negative impact of the transition between Master 3 and Master 4 that should improve, as I said, with increase of diversity towards the end of the year.

The geographical mix stood at minus 0.7 points, mainly due to the increase of sales in Latin America, thanks to the ramp-up of Kardian, and to a lesser extent, the increase of sales in South Africa. The last item on the walkdown is Other, which impacted our revenue by plus 0.4 points. This was mainly driven by the solid performance of the after-sales business. Having gone through the auto revenue, let's move to Mobilize Financial Services.

New contract production was stable over Q1 2024. The average performing assets increased by 8.9% to EUR 59.1 billion, mostly thanks to the increase in average ticket per vehicle over the last years. All in all, Mobilize Financial Services revenues were up 22.3% to EUR 1.5 billion, mainly driven by the increase in average ticket again and still benefiting from the growing interest rate trend that we've had over the past years.

Looking from Q1 towards the end of the year and before going into the Q&A, I'd just like to confirm our guidance for 2025 with a Group operating margin above 7% and a free cash flow above EUR 2 billion. Cost management continues to be a key priority for us, and in this unstable macroeconomic environment, we have decided to proactively engage additional cost reduction measures internally. These effects will enhance our competitiveness.

Above that, we have seven launches and two facelifts this year. Bigster, which will be available in both internal combustion and hybrid versions, will be the first to be launched in Q2. It's currently arriving at dealerships in Europe but has already enjoyed strong orders, largely above our objectives, as I'd already mentioned. Renault 4 will arrive at the end of Q2 together with the facelifts of Espace and Austral. They'll be followed in H2 with A390 for Alpine and two new vehicles for Renault, of which a C segment for international markets.

Yes, external environment may be complicated, but you can count on us to continue to accelerate and for once we're not directly exposed to the headwinds, allowing our teams to remain fully dedicated to the execution of our strategy and the preparation of our next strategic plan called Futurama. That concludes my presentation. Thanks for your attention this morning, and with Philippine and the team, now ready to take your questions.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Thank you, Duncan. We now start the Q&A session with Horst Schneider from Bank of America. Horst, please, could you open your mic?

Yes, good morning. I hope you can hear me. The first question that I have that relates to Europe, you say you have got this two months of auto bank now in Europe. I think that is in line with the normal level. We heard recently from Volkswagen that they are running extra shifts, and I think they were also talking about rising orders. Maybe you can talk a little bit about the recent order trends that you saw in March and also going into April, if you can confirm that the market is maybe moving better or maybe also worse.

Any color would be helpful on that. The second question that I have relates to financial services because, again, financial services draws revenues stronger than I would have expected. In that context, I know it's always a trade-off between rising EV sales, which are more supported by financial services business, but then also, Duncan, you said it right, that interest rates decline and then also revenues should decline.

How should we think going forward about these financial services revenues? Is the Q1 a run rate we can just take times four, or will Q1 revenues or will Q2 revenues then again be smaller because of declining rates, or how should we think about the revenue growth in financial services? These are my two main questions for the time being.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Okay, Horst, thanks. Good morning to you. Yeah, the two-month order bank is good news, stable for us. It's what we're targeting to do in terms of matching the order book we have and the stock level we have. Evolution, I'd say, I mean, I can put it out to both Denis and Fabrice if you want to add any additional comments. Not sure I'm seeing any major moves at this point.

Obviously, we're benefiting from a very strong product dynamic and launches on our side. What we see, what is interesting in Europe up to now in terms of orders, is that we see a qualitative move to hybrid and EV trend. EV is improving and hybrid much more than the market, and we have in both brands the right products to feed this growing demand.

Regarding view orders, we are up versus last year, but what is more important for us is to maintain this two-month order bank with the agility of also controlled stock to tackle the next months. Regarding the environment, of course, we don't have any, I would say we don't have any forecast to give to you. We are vigilant about the environment, but with the right products on the right segments, which are growing now in Europe, this is the most important for me. I don't know if Denis, if you want.

Denis Le Vot
CEO, Renault Group

Yeah, yeah, same thing for Dacia. Orders are up, but a lot of uncertainty ahead, so difficult to predict. Still, we have boosters here. As for Dacia, the Bigster, as we said, is starting. Of course, it will be in the next quarter, a big booster in the volume, and as we speak, it is in the order take, of course.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

If I go to your second point, Horst, which was on MFS revenues, yes, interest rates have been, I mean, it's obviously the MFS revenues is the portfolio that we have. There was the interest rate that risen over the past years. That's what's driven that, and it allows us to have a stable forecast in terms of what's going on for the rest of the year, so you can expect that to remain solid.

You can see in our revenue drivers on the car side, what we're selling is benefiting from a stronger product mix on the revenue each side, so higher average ticket prices all the time. Obviously, as you quite rightly pointed out, EV sales is a boost in that because of the high penetration of MFS selling onto retail customers as well.

We can expect then that this run rate takes time, we can take the time for, or how should we think about it going forward?

Because it's the average of a portfolio over the last, let's say, average of three years, you can expect it to stay in the similar range going forward.

All right, thank you.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Thank you, Horst. We now have a question from Philippe Houchois , Jefferies. Philippe, please, could you open your mic?

Yes, good morning. I hope you hear me. Thanks for a low-stress morning with inline numbers. A couple of questions for me. One on the tariff side. I know you're not directly exposed, but I'm just wondering what you hear and see both from supplier stress potentially and from competitors potentially also redirecting volume to other markets as the US market gets less attractive. Any color on that would be welcome. The second point is on the light commercial vehicles. We know it's been a weak market. You underperformed. The other topic that's less discussed is the issue of CO2 compliance on that segment.

First of all, any indication in terms of your compliance, generally speaking, in Q1 at Renault level, and then specifically what you're putting in place to either comply on LCVs or try to change the regulation, which seems unachievable? Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Good morning, Philippe. Thanks for the questions. On the tariff front, as you quite rightly point out, we're not directly exposed. I haven't seen any change so far in any reaction in the markets we're exposed to because of that.

Obviously, we've seen, as you will have all noted, some foreign exchange fluctuations, some devaluation in Latin America, but nothing directly related to tariffs from us. No particular warnings to signal in terms of suppliers that are disruptions or anything like that. Steady as she goes for the moment. On LCVs, yes, it was a weak market, and as you pointed out, in that we have the product change with Master and also the reduction or the stop of Express.

CO2 compliance, we're still waiting for Café to be voted, which we expect around the summer, which would look for the bank and borrow, and it's, as it stands, three years is the proposal which was on the table for both the passenger car and the light commercial vehicle. We have, as Fabrice said, the demand is stronger and the growth is there in segments which are on hybrid and also on EV. Denis said he's got Bigster coming, which adds another electrified vehicle to the Dacia range. I know the question was specifically on LCV, but in general, our outlook for the CO2 compliance is in line with our expectations.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

You know that for the CO2 targets for the industry, not for Renault Group, we need to be between 20% to 22% of EV mix. You also know that for Renault Group, the target is below this range because first, we have a very strong hybrid penetration.

As you know, we are number two on hybrid in Europe and also because we are, on average, we have a smaller car than the European industry. So our target is below. Now, if you look at our figures at Renault Group level, Q1, we were at 13% BEV mix, and for the Renault brand, we were a bit above 17%. So both at Renault Group level and at the Renault brand level, we are starting to see the success of our EV lineup.

Thank you.

We now have a question from Renato Gargiulo from Intesa. Renato, please, could you open your mic?

Renato Gargiulo
Senior Equity Analyst, Intesa

Yes, can you hear me? Good morning. Good morning, all. Yes, my first question is on the product mix, which you confirmed should remain the main driver this year. It was at 3.7% in the Q1. As you expect, the contribution from the new models, which were at 28% of total invoices in the Q1, to further increase ahead, can we assume a slight further improvement in the product mix ahead in the next quarters, or can you give us any indication about the trend for product mix?

The second question is on inventories. Can you give us an indication? Yeah, you stated you expect this to decrease your own inventories by the end of the first half. Can we expect in terms of magnitude a similar trend versus last year in the first half, and also going forward, what can we expect for the remainder of the year?

The last question, a more general one, clearly you stick to your margin guidance for the full year, which is including the, as we know, the 1% negative Café impact. As we know that this regulation is going to change, can you give us an indication about, let's say, the potential evolution, the power trade mix, and potential benefits over the second half? I'm just trying. Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Thanks, Renato. Good morning to you. Thank you for the questions. Yes, I mean, as we called out at the beginning of the year, the product mix would be a positive driver for this year. The 3.7% increase in Q1 was a solid start for that. I think this will stay as a driver throughout the three quarters to come. It could be slightly more positive than that, but it's in this order of magnitude.

I confirm that that remains, as stated at the beginning of the year, one of the most positive drivers for the revenue per unit. In terms of inventory decrease, yes, we talked about order take being well matched to our stock levels at the moment. Obviously, we have started to see the reduction of independent dealer inventories as the order bank was being delivered with a strong dynamic of the portfolio. We will target to lower slightly inventories to the end of H1.

We are in a sales growth environment, so it might not be as low as June last year, but certainly close to that, similar levels. In terms of Café, we had called out on the margin that it was an impact for the full year. Obviously, once again, nothing has been voted yet, so we are still continuing to deliver the same mix that we planned.

We have flexibility within the Renault Group, so as Fabrice said, we're constantly adjusting order book inventory to demand, and we can adjust production going forward. We could look, if everything came in, to increase certain ICE versions, taking opportunities that exist in market trends as well. We won't go back against the fact we want to be Café compliant.

Obviously, the average of the three years helps us manage that more longer term as an industry and also for Renault, but the growth is coming from EV demand and also on hybrid demand as well, and that's where we're launching the new products. Nothing new on that front. We're just waiting for the vote to come in.

Renato Gargiulo
Senior Equity Analyst, Intesa

Perfect. Thank you.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Thank you, Duncan. Thank you, Renato. Now you have a question from José Asumendi from JP Morgan. José, please, could you open your mic?

José Asumendi
Head of Global Autos and European Autos Equity Research, JPMorgan

Thank you. Good morning, Duncan. Hey, José. Apologies. The question has been asked already. Just a question on sales to partners and the evolution we should expect a little bit through the year and what are a little bit the drivers, first half, second half on sales to partners. I guess I'm trying to get also to the EV contribution also on sales to partners as it seems to be in a way offsetting a little bit the product mix. Maybe how should we think about that balance?

Then second, Duncan, in terms of, I guess, a question for Luca, but there's a lot going on on Renault right now, collaborations with, obviously, the partnership with Nissan and Geely. Any developments, any projects, any things that sort of have been that you would note in the Q1 of the year? Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Thanks, José. In terms of sales to partners, yeah, you noticed there were a couple of one-offs in the same quarter last year with some R&D billing. The fact when we take those out, the sales to partners actually isn't that far down. We will have a more positive dynamic as the year goes on, particularly with the launch of Micra within the Ampere team as from

H2. I do expect that to be a positive driver compared to the decrease we've seen, which is, I guess, one-off comparison basis main issue. In terms of collaboration, what went on in Q1, obviously, we did make the announcement with Nissan in which we purchased the full ownership of our APL in India.

We had also the confirmation from Nissan that they would want to do a vehicle on the Twingo platform as well, which is a great another confirmation of the competitivity of the offer we have on the Ampere side. We still have a strong dynamic in speaking with our partners and looking at opportunities and making those work wherever it's positive for all parties.

José Asumendi
Head of Global Autos and European Autos Equity Research, JPMorgan

Quick follow-up, Duncan. You mentioned some I believe you mentioned some incremental cost initiatives to react to the volatile environment out there. What are you thinking about in terms of the short-term measures on P&L or on cash flow?

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Yeah, on cash flow, I guess, it's managing the purse strings, which is a natural reaction when the external environment is not clear. On cash flow, it's the same managing our inventories as we've already discussed, bringing them slightly down.

We're still well matched on order to production outlook. We continue to have a strong focus on receivables, working capital. On the cost side, we're not talking about any radical moves. It's just prudence, which I think is natural or a reaction in this environment. What doesn't need to be spent doesn't need to be spent.

Some of the studies, if you want to go into some detail, we'd said that we would look to commercialize Alpine in the US Considering what's going on in the US at the moment, I don't think it's the right time to be spending on those studies. We have postponed that. Obviously, we're not taking any decisions and don't need to take any decisions that would change the lineup or our vehicle schedule. No major impacts, but I guess both Denis and Fabrice would know that in their own houses, making sure we're managing spend and what doesn't need to be spent gets postponed.

José Asumendi
Head of Global Autos and European Autos Equity Research, JPMorgan

Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

We now have a question from Stephen Reitman , Bernstein. Stephen, please, could you open your mic?

Stephen Reitman
Automotive Equity Analyst, Bernstein

Yes, good morning. Thank you for doing the call. As well as winning a lot of awards, the R5 is also getting very good press reviews, of course, as well, and seems to get very good reactions. Could you comment on the pricing and how that compares relative to competitors in the B segment, BEV space, price realizations, how that's going? If you could comment maybe also about waiting times across Europe in the different key markets.

Obviously, you've said it hasn't been rolled out in all countries yet, but in the markets where it has been, where it is available. Also, if we move also to F1 and Alpine, obviously, the move to switch to be a customer engine team, what kind of impact is that going to have on costs going forward? When will that sort of maybe make an impact already be visible in the Renault figures? Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Yes, coming back to your question on R5 and to have the big picture, of course, for Renault brand, the challenge this year was the electrification for two reasons, CO2 and growth, because these are the segments where we can catch the growth. We decided on purpose to have a lineup based on two legs, on one end, BEV, and on the other end, full hybrid.

If I take the full hybrid evolution, we are on the Q1 at plus 46% in terms of sales, Europe PC sales, versus a market which is at plus 12%. It means we are overcatching the growth. Regarding BEV, of course, Renault 5 is playing a big role because we are increasing by 87% our BEV sales since the beginning of the year versus last year in front of a market which is increasing by plus 27%.

It means we are also overdelivering on the BEV segment, thanks, of course, to the first 30,000 sales of R5. The move from R5 is very important because it shows that the B segment market in Europe is capable to shift to BEV cars. This is a big trend, of course. We will benefit first with R5 and on the second part of the year with R4.

If you take the ramp-up of R5, of course, we have now a delay between two and three months depending on the countries. We focused on a first ramp-up in France and on the main markets in Europe, but we have still a lot of potential. For instance, we are just beginning our deliveries in the UK now. It means we can expect further growth on this car, which is already number one on the B segment in Europe and number one on the B segment in France, Germany, Spain, and Belgium, and number one EV in France.

Stephen Reitman
Automotive Equity Analyst, Bernstein

I think that's okay. In terms of pricing?

Denis Le Vot
CEO, Renault Group

In terms of pricing, what we can see on R5 is that we are first delivering the highest version. We are on the highest autonomy level with the Iconic level which is doing most of the mix. I think we do not have any reason up to now to change this balance between volume and pricing.

Stephen Reitman
Automotive Equity Analyst, Bernstein

Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Stephen, your question on the switch for engines on the F1 side. We continue to use the internal engine produced at Viry in 2025 and the switch is to a Mercedes engine in 2026. The cost gain for the company is over the two years. We still have production costs today, but we are no longer developing the 2026 engine. Part of the synergies are already coming in 2025, and the rest of them will fully come in in 2026.

Stephen Reitman
Automotive Equity Analyst, Bernstein

Thank you.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

We now have a question from Henning Cosman , Barclays. Henning, please, could you open your mic? Henning?

Henning Cosman
European Head of Automotive Research, Barclays

Can you hear me now?

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Yeah.

Henning Cosman
European Head of Automotive Research, Barclays

Hi, good morning. Sorry about that. No, great. Thanks for the call so far. I had just had a clarification again on the 100 basis points and the guidance, and thanks, Duncan, for your comments there. I think you said that you're currently still delivering the same mix as you had planned if you would have had to comply in 2025 itself. Just to clarify, can I understand if the new regulation now does get voted on, is it the plan to take advantage of that and change the mix to be able to benefit in margin terms in the second half? Is that the understanding? That's the first question.

The second question is, I mean, it's obviously a revenue call, but just on the mix, because in the mix, of course, you have two accretive elements normally, which is LCV and BEV, which is positive for the revenue mix, but BEV is, of course, diluted for the profitability mix.

You've emphasized a few times on the call the transition of the Master as well. If you could just help us directionally if there's anything in terms of drop-through from the product mix line that could be weaker, specifically for higher BEV, especially in the first half, lower LCV, especially in the first half, that we should be aware of when translating product mix into the EBIT bridge. Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Okay, thanks, Henning. On the 100 basis point impact of café mix, I said yes, we were basically still delivering the mix we planned. At the end of the day, we're delivering the mix that the customers are ordering. We are seeing strong growth in EV demand. We're matching the growth and outpacing the market on hybrid as well. We're not forcing anything, and we're still in line with what we planned.

Obviously, if things are voted at some point, that will allow us to look at taking opportunities of additional production capacity where we may have cut some higher CO2 emitting vehicles. This is not done yet. Let's speak about that when it comes. On the revenue, we talked, you said about mix, LCV, BEV. Once again, we expect this product mix positive to continue throughout the quarters, maybe even strengthen off the base we already presented in Q1.

As you said, it's a revenue call. Thinking about the drop down to margins, you have to look at the whole thing. Successful new product launches are good news. It's ramping up throughout the year. We talked about the percentage of invoices already in Q1 at 28%. We have EV. We have LCV, which is ramping up as well, stronger in the H2.

We also have a successful product portfolio on the C segment with Symbiose ramping up, and we have now over 40% of sales in C segment and above on the Renault brand. Bigster coming out in Q2 as well, which will be the highest revenue per unit. Let's not shy away from the fact probably the most profitable vehicle within the Dacia range as well. I guess good things to come.

Henning Cosman
European Head of Automotive Research, Barclays

Thank you. In summary, no weaker drop-through to be expected. That's a fair summary, is it, than normal? If you look at the whole thing together, to your point?

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

No, things are tracking as we planned. Obviously, we did call out that we didn't think we'd be in 2025 in a scenario where net pricing was massively up. It's more price stabilization, benefiting from the cost reductions we have to be able to offer our customers a very competitive range and equipment within the cars, which is also reflected in the registration numbers you see. Growth of 2.9% in the quarter. You start to drill into it. Passenger cars are up 10% in the market, down 0.5%. So we're delivering our plan.

Henning Cosman
European Head of Automotive Research, Barclays

Appreciate it, Duncan. Thank you.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Thank you, Duncan. Thank you, Henning. We now have a question from Stuart Pearson from BNP. Stuart, please, could you open your mic?

Stuart Pearson
Head of Automotive and Thematic Research and Managing Director, BNP

Yeah, good morning. Hopefully, you can hear me okay. Yeah, so thanks for the call so far. Just a few follow-ups. Yes. I mean, firstly, on the CO2 side, I mean, I take it the point that you're on track with your plan, but an EU BEV mix at 13%, even with the hybrid, suggests it should be some way behind the target I would have thought.

I mean, can you rule out that you'd have to provision for any CO2 fines in H1 in the way that Volkswagen has done in Q1, even if they were later reversed if the reprieve were voted through? Is that something we should not expect as even a temporary effect in H1? I just wanted to get your views on that. Then just coming back to the pricing side, I'm kind of intrigued what's driven that too.

I know you've mentioned it a little bit, but I'm just a little bit confused on the message on whether we should interpret the fact that that pricing split positive, whether we should interpret that as being indicative of improving pricing in Europe overall. Is that just the impact of new models and so how much that will drop through to the EBIT bridge? I guess my secondary point on that is, what are you seeing on used prices?

I mean, are they starting to improve? Is anything changing in your finance offer that's really driving that 50 basis points of improved pricing, or is that achieved with a like-for-like finance offer? Just wonder if you're changing anything on the finance terms to get to that pricing. I'm just not sure really what we're seeing in Europe is an overall improvement in pricing. Lastly, just on the 28.3% of new models, just wondering if you can give any indication of where you think that can get to by the second half of the year. Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Morning, Stuart. Thanks for the question. CO2, as long as we foresee to be CO2 compliant across the period of the three years, if we were to be slightly under in the first year, I do not foresee that we would have to provision that as we would expect the law to be voted or close to be by the time we present.

Stuart Pearson
Head of Automotive and Thematic Research and Managing Director, BNP

Sorry, Duncan. Sorry to interrupt. I just meant before that is voted through, which presumably might not be the case by July. You have to behave as if it has not happened yet. Would you have to provision in H1?

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

I do not believe so, no, because I think we are. Okay. Thank you. It's the same as the UK as we have in the current scenario and the treating we have of that. I think as we get to, obviously, we're not presenting our P&L today, just the revenues, but as we get to H1 presented at the end of July, I expect we'll be comfortable on that front. In terms of pricing, we need to look at this as a whole.

Obviously, we're seeing the impact of the new model launches coming through in the product mix. We have pricing, which is slightly up, 0.5 points positive. We are compensating for some devaluation in international markets within that bucket as well. We'd said we call out for net pricing mix enrichment to be able to cover any of the additional content. Obviously, we'll benefit on the margin bridge from the cost reductions on the variable side we have as well.

Denis Le Vot
CEO, Renault Group

Regarding, because you asked regarding used car prices, two points. First of all, we are very stable in our residual value. Thanks to our consistent policy in terms of pricing and our technological choices, it means there is no change or no alert on the residual value side. That is why also on the used car business, our dealers have a normal stock, and the price is quite stable versus last year. It means for me, up to now, absolutely no alert on used cars, neither on used cars nor on residual value from our side.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Just coming back to your question on pricing, the strategy is still the same, meaning it's value over volume, unlike others. You need to continue to make the difference between what is happening at the revenue bridge and what is happening at the operating margin bridge. As we already mentioned, we already entered the phase of stabilization in terms of pricing.

This is reflected in the 0.5% of pricing effect in Q1. Throughout the years, we will continue to have this stable pricing effect. When you look at the operating margin bridge, we continue to manage it with the combination of price mix enrichment and cost reduction. Altogether, we want to have a positive, and it will continue to drive the performance. Now we have a question from Thomas Besson, Kepler Cheuvreux. Thomas, please.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Just maybe one second. On the 28.3% of the new vehicles was the last part of Stuart's question.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

I'm sorry.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Yes, I do expect that to continue to increase throughout the quarters. It has obviously ramped up since the 5% in H1 2024. Yeah, dynamic will be to increase.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Thank you, Duncan. We now have a question from Thomas Besson, Kepler Cheuvreux. Thomas, please, could you open your mic?

Thomas Besson
Head of Automotive Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Good morning. Thank you. I hope you can hear me. Yeah. As I come a bit late in that call, I'm going to try to ask questions that are not exactly in that type of call. Can you help us understand the dynamic in terms of seasonality for profitability and free cash flow in 2025? I mean, over the last three, four years, you were in a constant increase in profitability, except last year where we saw something more similar to what we normally see in Europe with a stronger first half, weaker second half.

In this specific year, you have a lot of conflicting elements that make it difficult, I think, to gauge which half will be stronger. Can you give us some indications on that? That's the first question. The second, on CapEx for 2025, I mean, you're investing again, I think. Is it reasonable to expect CapEx to increase and be a headwind to your $2 billion plus free cash flow in 2025, or it's something you'll be willing to comment more in July? Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Thanks, Thomas. What was the last part of the question? Willing to be more on CapEx, you said?

Thomas Besson
Head of Automotive Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

My question was whether your CapEx would be increasing and be a headwind to your $2 billion free cash flow target.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Okay. Sorry, just wanted to make sure I got it.

Thomas Besson
Head of Automotive Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Thanks for the two. Yeah, seasonality of the year. I expect this year will be a year in which H2 will be stronger than H1. Obviously, we have the desire to decrease stock at the total level. You've already seen the independent dealer network has had a strong reduction in Q1, and we'd like to bring the total down slightly for the end of June.

We also have, obviously, the Horse comparison, which was a big positive in the previous year in H1. We'd said that we expect to see some dynamic in terms of the cost reductions coming from Horse as of H2. That's more of an H2 question than H1. I guess a lot of the call this morning has been about the strong product dynamic. As that ramps out, more of the impact, the profitability is not always at launch, but it's in the coming months.

That will be another element which points to a stronger H2 than a stronger H1. CapEx, obviously, we're not delaying anything on any of the product lineups, so we continue to deliver what we had in the plan. I guess maybe the one element on stronger CapEx than we'd initially planned was obviously with the purchase of 100% of RNIPL. If that goes through towards the end of H1, we'll see probably an impact of H2 where we could have circa EUR 200 million additional CapEx for that.

That is purely because the product portfolio is literally just about to be launched in 2026. They have four new models coming in terms of production. Those models are being installed, and it will calm down a little bit in 2026, but it is really the peak. That is what I want to call out on the CapEx question.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Thank you, Duncan.

Thomas Besson
Head of Automotive Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

We now have a last question from Pushkar Tendolkar from HSBC. Pushkar, please could you open your mic?

Pushkar Tendolkar
Associate Director, HSBC

Hi. Thanks, Philippine, Duncan, and the rest of the team, and good morning to you all. First question just on Nissan. We had lots of news flow during the Q1 related to Nissan. It's kind of fair to assume that you won't be able to sell the stake that you hold in the trust back to Nissan given their financial condition.

Just on the recent changes of your representation on their management board, what does that imply? Why? That's kind of my first question. The second one is on the investment grade upgrade. Is there an update on that? Do you think that the current situation with tariffs for the industry, not necessarily for you, will hold back the rating agencies on that front? Thank you.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Thanks, Pushkar. Maybe starting with the last one, investment grade. It's probably more of a question for the agencies than for us, but obviously, we don't see the investors treating our debt as non-investment grade. Cost is more like an investment grade rating. It'll happen when it happens. We continue the strong dynamic on the group and delivering in the plan we have and the commitments that are taken. We'll see what happens from the rating agencies' side. I think we had the most recent one was Moody's.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Yeah, Moody's. We just had a release from Moody's confirming the positive outlook for our credit rating. It was clearly mentioned that Renault Group already met all the expectations to be investment grade. Because of the macroeconomic environment, they want to wait, but nothing linked to Renault Group.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

As for Nissan, you said, a lot of news flow in Q1. Obviously, we'd had some positive news flow as well from both sides with the confirmation of the project in India and also the vehicle on the Twingo platform. We have not made any further action on sales of Nissan shares. As you say, we have them in the trust, and we have the flexibility to do that. The flexibility for both partners was increased in the new agreement to take the lockdown from 15% to 10%. Flexibility on both sides. I will not comment on the changes on the board of Nissan because that is up to them to do that.

I mean, Renault proposes directors to Nissan board, but they're actually independent on that. The board change would be proposed for a vote at the AGM. That is the point at which it would be confirmed or not. I believe that's towards the end of June.

Pushkar Tendolkar
Associate Director, HSBC

Thank you.

Philippine de Schonen
Head of Investor Relations, Renault Group

Thank you. This is the end of this Q&A call. As usual, the IR team is fully available to answer all your questions. Have a good day.

Duncan Minto
CFO, Renault Group

Thank you very much. Have a great day.

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