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Earnings Call: Q2 2020

Jul 29, 2020

Speaker 1

Hello, and welcome to Schneider Electric's Q2 and H1 twenty twenty results digital event. We're joined today by chairman and CEO Jean Pascaltry Coire who joins us from Hong Kong and our CFO, Hillary Maxim, right here with us in Paris. The presentation and the press release are available, for you to view on our website And of course, after we're done with the presentation, we will have enough time for question and answers. Thank you all for joining us. Hope everyone's well.

And with having said that, I'm going to turn it over to Jean Pascal in Hong Kong.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Amit. Hi to all of you. It's really good to reconnect with you after this unprecedented, I would say extraordinary H1 that we've been through. First, let me wish all of you, every one of you to be safe on wherever you are in the world. Today, what I'm going to do with Hillary, is to give you the main highlights of what went through during H1 and give you as many details as I guess you would wish.

But let me dive straight into the subject. During the crisis that we are going through our compass has been the strong fundamentals of Schneider. The fact that we serve 2 key transition, the 2 2 of the largest transitions at the beginning of this century: energy transition on industry 4.0. We do it with 2 synergistic business, energy management, on industrial automation, We deliver the following values to our customers sustainability, efficiency, and finally resiliency which has increased or which has gone up into the priorities of our customers. We do it based off our integrated digital architecture, which is EcoStruxure.

We deliver EcoStruxure that integrated solution for our customers with a business model, which is itself integrated and powered truly decentralized in the countries where we operate, open to a large community of suppliers and integrators and championing sustainability in our industry. And we are focused on a strong return to shareholders. Based on the strong cash generation, based on the progressive dividend, now 10 years of progressive dividend, on a very disciplined capital allocation. What are the highlights of this first half? We have delivered a resilient financial performance through the crisis.

Our revenue, of course, has been impacted by the COVID, has been decreasing by 10% around. Our adjusted EBITA has decreased by 130 bps in H1 which if I dive back in my memory and go back to the last crisis, Annette as a CEO in 2009 is three times better in terms of resilience that the performance we produce at time, which was an EBIT impacted negatively of 4%. So business model has reevolved The company has evolved so that we would ensure that much better resiliency. We have delivered an adjusted net income of 1,000,000,000 We delivered a free cash flow of 1,000,000,000 record high in H1, benefiting from discipline working capital management there, but doing that while building a significant stock, a significant inventory to make sure we serve our customers through the disruption of supply chain. We have a net debt of CHF 4,800,000,000 after paying the dividend that we committed in February on which was voted by our AGM of 1,400,000,000 recognizing 2019.

If we look now at our two business, both of them show the same kind of top line evolution through H1. Energy Management very resilient with a decrease of 80 bps in the adjusted EBITA Industrial Automation a bit more impacted due mostly to the mix evolution of the business, which has been really impacted by the COVID on affecting principally our product business and our OEM business. What we've leveraged to ensure such a resiliency in H1 have been a consistent business model on organization. We have been following our strategy over many years, and we have an organization which has not changed, which is proven and keeps working on delivering through the crisis. We have benefited also of our agility, catalyze or enabled by the fact that we are very local that we empower our local teams to react locally with local governments, respect to local conditions, on benefiting from supply chains that we have built over time to be very local again.

We of course are agile also because our operations are digitized using Schneider Technology. And we have also benefited from what we've done over the years, which is to balance our exposure in terms of geographies in terms of cyclical exposure, rebalancing what we do into the construction on the data center space with what we do in industry and infrastructure. On building our business with partners, basing our business on the relationship with our partners, on a business which is fundamentally asset light. We in H1, are kept taking good projects sometimes large projects like the smart grid project we took in Egypt, which has the objective to supply reliable electricity to 20,000,000 people We've kept working on digitization of industry in France for instance to collect structured data and build digital libraries or in the middle east with an oil and gas company to build its cyber security strategy. We've worked also on greenfield process automation, of course, oil and gas impacted by the crisis.

But oil and gas is digitizing for more efficiency on formal for better processes in dealing especially with the upstream but also the downstream part of oil and gas. We've kept working then also on booming risks, data centers were overheated by the crisis, L scale, of course, on even building where people are looking to build on to develop smart building like in Notre Dame in the U S, an application that we've built with Cisco. Not only we've kept working with our customers, on being taking projects. But what we've seen is that the COVID-nineteen has been a massive accelerator of digitization. On one side, you have 50% of the business of Schneider, which is within that flywheel of digital and services.

We sell to our customers so way on digital services. That is 7% of our turnover. Putting on the software monitoring the installations, the detect issues, predictive maintenance is detecting, before they happen some outages. And they call our customers call out field services, now 10% of our business. When our service people are on the shop floor, they connect more products, which are generating more data on connectable products in 1 year generate today, 25% of our business.

And once we've installed connectable products, they tend to be connected to our edge control. We generate data back to our software. And there we go, with our digital on service flywheel. But the other part of our business, the other 50% of Schneider It's a business we are very proud of. It's a world leading product business.

On there again, we've seen an acceleration of digitization. In the way we've interface and interacted with our partners, which has grown even more digital in these special times. In e commerce, which has been growing by around 20% on which represents already a significant part of our business. And in the way we've interacted with our customers through webinars, through digital events, replacing our physical events on actually giving us access to many more people than physical events. When we zoom on the digital and service flywheel, the most resilient part of it has been software and services.

And we've been talking to you over the past reviews about that. That's already 17% of our revenues. It has been almost flat in terms of growth much better than the average of the group. On it offers customer intimacy, on recurring revenue, and it's more resilient, it's margin accretive on this catalyst for growth and it's buying more intimation, more space for innovation as we go forward. Another highlight I really want to mention is a performance of our supply chain, very, very difficult to operate our 200 factories, our 100 distribution centers, in a landscape disrupted by the numerous injunctions product by the COVID.

Well, first, what we are doing has been recognized by Gartner, and we've been ranked, all companies, all industries integrated on all over the world as number 4 supply chain in the world, mostly thanks to our digitization. Then we've really benefited of the regional setup of our supply chain. As I explained many, many times, we have always sought for many reasons, service to customer, low carbon impacts that on time of response, to our customers, that our supply chain should be local. We have also benefited from the digitization So we are focused today on business continuity, on quality, on delivery focus. We've allowed mid of the year to build an inventory, which is much higher than usual, to benefit to our customers.

And we are now focusing on our productivity as our our plants are coming to a normal region. We still have some issues. The biggest issue is in North America and due to one factory, which was in an update of contamination, which has been stopped for some time on where we are catching up. This is in process of being resolved. We've resolved most of the other issues.

Of course, we had a hotspot in India, which has been the object of a very severe lockdown. But I would say that those issues are getting our results. Now we have to integrate also that the impact of COVID is increasing the cost of our operation because we have to mitigate challenges on disruption because we have to pay supplementary freight costs and because we have to incur supplementary costs to protect our employees through protection equipment, through accentuated to a much higher level cleaning of factories and offices, dealing with the under absorption that is coming from social distancing on equipment. We've also immediately decided at the beginning of the crisis, the creation of a of the tomorrow rising fund, which has supported 65 projects in the response time. And this really now focused on organizing the recovery on the resilience of the communities where we operate, but a very, very specific focus on the youth, employment on youngsters, on giving access to young people who will be probably the biggest victim of this crisis on making sure that they are not getting desocialized on the final job after they go to school.

We have been also recognized in the main dimensions of our employee and customer value proposition around our meaningful mission, our inclusive, work environment on the empowerment we give to our teams, And we have been keeping progressing in sustainability on progressing against the main key performance indicators of the Schneider sustainability impact on what is important is to realize that what we learn in the company is something that we propose to our customers in terms of sustainability services, to help our customers to monitor their performance in terms of energy on resource consumption as well as in carbon emissions, and that shows this, great contract we have concluded with Foreicia to be their partner in their journey to sustainability. Very, very soon and very early in the crisis, we have decided that we were back in business, back in business in unusual conditions. So we call it business as unusual, on it includes a safe de escalation, new ways of working, business growth, on new business growth, which have been actually accelerated by the COVID on reallocation of resources to those business. Structural efficiencies in many places on working on the trust and resiliency of our company relationship with its customers.

What we've seen is that the crisis is actually accelerating some of the values we deliver to our customer Of course, you know that Schneider has been working on digital solutions for efficiency on sustainability for the past many years. What we've seen is a renewed need for residency, and that brings me back in the past in 2007 when we bought APC on, you remember that tag of APC, legendary reliability of everything we supply In the past 13 years since APC joined this has become the tag on the motto of the whole company. And what we've seen is that this agenda of reliability and resiliency have come very high on the agenda of our customers. Another part which has reinforced the need for assistance is remote everything, automated operations, remote maintenance training, remote monitoring, all have been all of this has been accelerated on the common thread to all those values is an acceleration of the digital systems on EcoStruxure. When we speak about resilience, what our customers are discovering is that you are as resilient as the weakest link of your installation.

And we supply a complete resilient solution for each part of our customer solutions. It goes with local automation that can manage locally on automatically a lot of the processes without human intervention. And this goes with a full set of software and digital services, which are putting those automated installations on the monitoring. What we have kept working on also as we were going is to make sure that we are digitizing the full lifecycle of those installations. Of course, we do it in industry with Aviva, but we've complemented in H1 what Aviva does with the injunction or with the addition of ID that joined actually the company just 1 week ago.

Remind you what Ivy is bringing to us at Schneider to Schneider and to Avila is bringing a brick functionalities that we didn't have in our catalog, a completely cloud based solutions, enabling planning, scheduling on construction orchestration for all our customers who work on complex worksites. The other thing I want to share here is that we are expanding the capabilities of Aviva beyond their traditional segments of industry, working closely between Schneider and Aviva. Aviva developed a full solution of management of data centers on IT networks that can plug into Schneider systems on anybody else's system, but taking the capabilities which have been developed in complex industrial processes, visualization techniques, alarming capabilities, planning, scheduling, and putting them to the service of data centers to manage data centers on the complex interaction between edge computing and data centers, just launch on the market on ready to be proposed to all the customers we have in the data center space. We have also we are also keeping on pushing sustainability to customers who really are passionate about it. It goes with new technologies on new innovation that we bring in energy management on a one to side again the fact that we are coming with tremendous revolution this year, which is a SF 6.3 on, in fact, gas free medium voltage solution the air set completed based on air coupled with the deployment of digital solution for more saving for more secularity on using decentralized and decarbonize, generation.

What you see, is that sustainability during the crisis has rather been reinforced on the agenda of companies and it is at the top of the agenda of most of the stimulus packages that we see developing around the world. On For many countries, it's about green and digital at the same time because all of the countries have understood that digital is your best pass your fastest and cheapest parts to higher levels of sustainability. So we work with the local communities, local cities where we work and local governments to help them on support their research are more sustainable on more digital solutions. Some examples of what we, we keep doing green data centers working on smart cities like in Los Angeles, saving on energy, which means saving on carbon and to be mentioned that in the past 2 years and a half, we've helped our customers to take out 110000000 metric tons of CO2 from their installations. When we look at our markets, our segments, our customers, everybody is impacted by COVID.

Of course, there are some negative impacts, some segments impact negatively, but we see also development of needs, which are positive for Schneider, in all of the segments we address, all of them. It's about getting everything smart, smart buildings, smart manufacturing, It's about sustainability. We spoke about it. It's about use of software. It's about full lifecycle efficiency.

It's about more products, more things connecting, more IoT catalyzed by 5G on its development. It's about reassuring some production, which goes necessarily with automation on digitization, it's about government stimulus, which are affecting all of those dimensions. So when we look at our market, of course, Some segments are more under pressure and they are looking for costs and efficiency. Some of those segments are looking actually boosted or asked for more capacity on their really challenge on their resilience. But all of our customers, all of our customers in the world all have today a sustainability and efficiency, a resiliency agenda powered by a digitization agenda.

This is work we work with them on today. On that feeds the engines of our resiliency, software, digital services, e cost structure, cyber security, sustainability services, on the unique capability of Schneider to integrate energy on automation solutions, digital solutions, for sustainability on efficiency. So that's about what we've how we've lived through the crisis of COVID Now I'd like to hand over the mic to Aerie so that she goes into the details of H1.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Jean Pascal, and good morning, everyone. Great to be here with you today to comment on our H1 numbers and to give some thoughts on expected H2 trends. I'm I'm starting on slide 28. As expected, our results were strongly impacted by COVID in the second quarter and first half. For first half, revenues were down 10.5 percent organic with negative results across all regions.

I'll give some specific commentary on Q2 performance on the following slide, but country by country performance was primarily linked to the level of containment actions taken by governments across the world in efforts to combat the health crisis. Scope impacts were negative due to last year's disposal of Pelco in Converse and the deconsolidation of a business in Russia. FX impact was negative 221,000,000 in H1 And the full year is now estimated at negative 500 to negative 600,000,000 for the top line based on the current volatile rates and minus 30 to minus 40 basis points on adjusted EBITDA. This impact is largely due to the strengthening of the euro against a majority of currencies. Turning to slide 29, to give you a little bit of commentary on Q2, we thought for this quarter, it would make sense to give you more detail on top line performance in some of our largest countries as this crisis is leading to a differentiated performance based on contagion levels and government actions.

Starting with Western Europe down 18% organic with a significant differential in performance across the region with France, Italy and UK substantially down versus Germany where we experienced only single digit declines and Nordics which remain positive. In Europe, we saw a stronger rebound than we had originally expected in second half June particularly in France partly due to distributor restocking. Asia Pacific was down only 5% organic with a recovery from Q1 levels driven by strong rebound performance between countries with India substantially down and Australia performing relatively better. North America was down 20% organic We were impacted in this region by some supply chain challenges as already mentioned by John Pascal as well as some market impacts from COVID. The rest of the world was down minus 15% with relatively good performance in Middle East, particularly in industrial automation.

Let's turn now to our results by business starting with energy management. Revenues in energy management declined 11% organic with declines across all regions. Sales were most strongly impacted in April May with a turnaround in June, driven partly by working days and distributor restocking. Non residential building performance was strongly impacted as lockdowns caused delays in construction worldwide. We primarily saw a reopening of construction sites in the later part of H1, but with some lag versus other parts of the economy.

Residential demand was relatively stronger, particularly towards the end of Q2. And we saw resilience in some sectors like health care and life sciences and data center demand remains strong with sales still impacted by a high base in 2019. Demand for our eco structure power and building which provide digital intelligence across segments increased. Adjusted EBITDAs were relatively resistant with a decline of 80 basis points organic, driven by volume declines offset by positive price, productivity, and mix, as well as strong tactical cost actions. Industrial Automation was also strongly impacted by COVID in H1 with revenues down 8.9 percent organic.

Discrete as well as process and hybrid markets were down, but with relatively better performance in discrete with process automation also impacted by phasing. We saw relatively more resiliency in certain segments like wastewater and consumer packaged goods and software and services were a high point with continued growth in H1. Adjusted EBITDA margin was down 200 basis point organic, driven by lower volumes and a negative impact from product mix, partly offset by strong tactical saving actions. Now to focus on 18% organic with a similar performance across regions with the exception of Asia Pacific due to China. In North America and the US in particular, We saw resilient demand in residential with Q2 performance impacted by supply chain issues now under recovery.

Non residential building was impacted by lockdowns with some recovery at the end of Q2. Data center in the US continues with good demand with sales impacted by a high base of comparison. In Western Europe, there was the same differential in performance across countries that I discussed at the group level. Rest of the World was also heavily impacted by COVID with some resilience in Central And Eastern Europe due to smart grid sales. COVID impacts in South America and CIS were on a slower timetable than other regions with more visible adverse impacts on demand towards the end of the quarter.

Asia Pacific performed relatively better due to a strong rebound in China with high single digit growth in Q2. Australia was also more resilient, driven particularly by delivery of system backlog. Rest of the region was more strongly impacted. Turning to slide 33. Industrial Automation was relatively stronger in Q2, down 10% organic and with Asia Pacific swinging positive for the quarter.

In North America, we experienced disruption in process and hybrid markets due to oil price partly mitigated by demand in downstream services. We also goods. Software performance was a highlight. In Western Europe, we saw differentiated performance by country aligned the group with Germany the most resilient driven by our end user business. Rest of World was relatively stronger with double digit growth in Middle Eastern CIS due to backlog execution, OEM and demand and software.

Asia Pacific grew by 3% organics supported by strong double digit growth in China, primarily driven by OEM demand and packaging hoisting and materials handling. Singapore also grew during the quarter supported by software sales. Turning to slide 34 and coming to our sales broken down into our our priorities or our different execution models, John Pascal already mentioned the strong resilience demonstrated in our software and services with H1 at close to flat in year over year sales. Products performed relatively better than systems with a strong recovery in second half Q2, partly boosted by distributor restocking. And our systems business was more strongly impacted by lockdowns and our inability to access sites in many geographies.

We'd expect that this mix between products and systems would begin to normalize in the second half with a pickup and backlog execution. I'll turn to profitability in a minute, but of note we continued to see positive progression on systems gross margin. Turning to slide 35, despite the in the difficult environment, further boosted by raw material headwinds. Price is a big focus of our management team, and we expect this positive price evolution to continue in to. Productivity is positive, although quite a bit lower than you've seen in prior years due to lower volumes and around 50,000,000 in increased costs in PP and E, freight and other costs directly tied to COVID.

This strong productivity performance was supported by the underlying action plan that led to our acceleration of productivity in H2 2019 plus reactivity through tactical savings actions. We'd expect to continue to see positive productivity in H2 despite continued COVID costs due to stock consumption from inventory build up in H1. MIX was also positive in H1 driven by the differentiated sales performance across geographies and relatively stronger growth rates in products software and services. Plus, as I mentioned prior, we continue to see a positive margin evolution in our systems business. We would expect mix to be around flat for full year 2020.

Regarding R and D, we have tactical savings here, but not enough to offset the drop in volumes. Plus we look to preserve our key innovation projects despite the crisis. Forex was negative with some additional negative impacts from scope and other. On slide 36, in terms of adjusted EBITDA, you can see we're only down 18% organic due to quick actions in cost savings, both in gross margin and in SFC to adjust for the volume declines. I'll speak more to this on the next slide.

On SFC, our SFC to sales ratio did increase over the half, but I think the swift actions we took are a great of the agility and reactivity of the company. In H1 and beyond, we also believe it's important to keep capacity to invest in our strategic priorities including innovation and digital. So we'll continue to balance our focus on efficiency and effectiveness with a focus on targeted reinvestment to ensure the future. Turning to slide 37, to give some additional detail on our costs, both in H1 and expectations for the future. Our SFC savings totaled around $350,000,000 in the first half.

Partly due from the benefit from our ongoing efficiency plan announced last year, which delivered H1 savings of 150,000,000 As a direct response to COVID, we also drove an additional 200,000,000 in tactical savings in H1 and primarily in Q2. Those savings were derived from a variety of measures, some global and some country specific, including a deferral of salary increases worldwide, shorter working weeks or furloughs and a freeze on travel and hiring. Government subsidies were immaterial. We expect these tactical savings to progressively reduce starting in second half as we're now fully back to work and focused on the future. Although some of those tactical savings we'll expect to translate to structural in the future.

At the same time, we continue to look at opportunities to accelerate and enhance our ongoing operational efficiency program with a goal to now complete the entire program by the end of 2022. We'll take the opportunity with COVID to push further on simplification of our SFC to ensure we're best positioned for the medium and long term. Taken all together, we expect to deliver 1,000,000,000 SFC savings in aggregate by 2022, We also expect an industrial productivity of around 1,000,000,000 over the same 3 year time period partly driven by structural savings. Charges of around 1.15to1.25000000000 over the 3 year timeframe with the majority to a occur in 2020 2021. If you recall, we were already on track for around 250,000,000 per year to support our prior plan.

So this is an increase of 4 to 500,000,000 versus prior disclosures. On slide 38, moving now to net income, you'll see we've already experienced part of the higher restructuring costs to discussed on the previous slide in H1 with costs of 220,000,000. Net income was impacted positively by a decrease in other income and expense primarily due to the impairment charges of net debt remains steady. Our effective tax rate was at 24% and we still expect to finish the year in the range of 22% to 24%. Turning to slide 39 on cash flows, a big focus for us.

We did experience a decline in operating cash flow as you would effect given the results of H1. However, our free cash flow increased year over year to almost 1,000,000,000 due to lower capital expenditures and management of trade working capital. To give some additional details on working capital, We saw a decrease in receivables not only aligned with our lower sales, but also driven by a decrease in over dues. We also saw an increase in payables due to ongoing efforts from our procurement team to ensure optimal contractual terms with our suppliers. This increase is net of some actions taken to support critical suppliers throughout the crisis.

In inventory we made conscious decision to run our plants at capacity in order to ensure necessary stocks for a turnaround. We'll continue to keep ad in our inventory decision making in H2. As we saw at the end of 2019, the underlying drivers of our free cash flow remained strong. We're growing in software and services, less capital intensive businesses, and we acted to manage our trade working capital with agility. Cham Pascal will speak more to our expectations of free cash flow going forward.

Turning to slide 40 on capital allocation, I'd like to start by emphasizing core and on adding technological bricks as can be seen from our recent acquisitions. To give you an update and John Pescall already mentioned, we closed the transaction for requiring ribs software after receiving CFIUS approval earlier this month. We've received a large shareholder stake and we're very excited to welcome colleagues at rib and work together to extract the synergies from this transaction. The teams are excited in collaborating with a clear plan of action. On LNT, we look to close the transaction in H2.

As we've mentioned, we had to delay the closing due to the nationwide block downs in India in Q2 and the continuing COVID situation that's still impacting the country. We're also expecting to close on the transaction of prolite that we announced in the Q1 results. Both rib and prolite demonstrate our view on adding specific technological bricks to our existing software and digital suite for the benefit of our customers and to enhance our existing offers in specific end markets. I'm also happy to report that our other recent acquisitions, Aviva, IGXAO, ASCO, and Alpi, all continue to perform well, including through the crisis. At the same time, we continue to work on our portfolio optimization or disposal program as we previously announced Our plan to divest between 1 and a half to 2,000,000,000 is high on our priority.

We don't have much to announce in H1, but we continue to prepare the necessary actions for disposals to come. Given disruptions in H1 due to the pandemic, It's reasonable that we'll take an additional year to implement this plan and of course we'll keep you updated on the progress. Moving to other topics, Jean Pascal already referred to the dividend, so I won't repeat. In terms of buyback, given where today establishing the targets for 2020, the buyback plan is approved by the board is technically no longer suspended. However, given the continuing economic uncertainty, will extra caution.

I'll finish with a last slide on liquidity. We continue to maintain a strong liquidity position through the crisis with 3 successful bond deals done during H1. And with that, I'd like to hand over to Jean Pascal to share our 2020 as well as our longer term targets and also to share our current management priorities.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Hillary. Well, time to, speak about H2. On the end of the year. We recognize that there is a lot of uncertainty on the market today. At the same time, we've been through Q2 that we see as a trough provoked by this crisis, we've learned together to live through the COVID time and to operate in those unusual condition.

So when we look at H2, of course, there are many possibilities. There could be many places second waves of contagion, but what we see is the following: In North America, we recognize absurdities, the uncertainty presented by a strong increase of contagion in several states, especially in the south on the west of the U. S. On the associated containment measures resulting in a mixed picture across the country. We note also strong economic data related to residential construction on a very robust demand in data center market.

So several segments show pockets of resilient linked to digitization on services the overall demand remain challenged. The group expects also continued softness in Mexico, which has been really hit by the pandemia. We expect China to with a continuation of economic recovery led by OEM on data center end markets and with pickups in construction on infrastructure, especially on the back of the stimulus package linked to the new infrastructure. For the rest of Asia Pac, we expect India to remain impacted in H2 based on increasing of contagion resulting in recent resurgence or lockdowns, Southeast Asia, on countries in the Pacific could see improvement in the economic activity. This situation is varied country by country.

We expect major Western Europe economies to progressively recover in H2 with rate and strengths of recovery, diverse country by country. And in the rest of the world, we see some very diverse situations we have to, signal that there was a high base of comparison in industrial automation in H2 2019. Putting together all of those diverse situations around the world, which are a summary of all the things we are facing at the moment. Integrating multiple scenario of resurgence of contagion of lockdowns in diverse cities or countries where we operate, I'm assuming with utilities that there is a lot of uncertainty we see at the moment enough momentum in the company to reinstate the following guidance. We see our revenue to be between minus 7 to minus 10 organically at the end of the year which means a better H2 in terms of top line than H1, of course.

And we see our operating result our adjusted EBITA margin to be decreasing by minus 50 to 90 bps organically So they are an improvement again in H2 respect, what we have in H1, which implies an adjusted EBITDA margin between 14.5% to 15% including scope on Forex based on the current situation. But as important, is the fact that we stay firmly committed to our midterm ambition. Now we also realize that 2020 has been a new year that delays the fulfillment of this ambition. But we want as soon as possible to be boosting our core engines of growth so that the organic revenue across the cycle is going back to where it should be between 3% to 6%. We want also to make sure that we work on the portfolio of our company to achieve higher margins with the first step of moving the adjusted EBITA margin to around 17% by 2022.

On this, through the action that we have already explained to you, working on our efficiency and we are reinforcing that effort of efficiency because of the COVID impact, accelerating the most accretive part of our portfolio on divesting dilutive part of it and finally, making sure that we work on the cash flow and the cash generation of the company on establishing across the cycle around 3,000,000,000 of cash flow generation. As we did in 2019, and as a strong cash signature of H1 2020 is proving even if we gave still the priority to customer service on building a strong inventory in provision of H2. So giving you guidance for the end of the year, integrating the uncertainty of the moment, remaining firmly committed to our midterm ambition. And with that, I hand over the mic back to you, Amit, for the Q and

Speaker 1

the 45 minute mark, it was important to get through all the details to you. I think we could probably stretch slightly over the 1 hour if need be. I believe there are several questions. Please respect. We'll take one question per analyst and then we'll come back depending on availability of time.

So with that, let's move to the first question, please.

Speaker 4

Thank to cancel your request. Your first question comes from the line of Andreas Willie from JP Morgan. Please ask your question.

Speaker 5

Yes. Good morning, Jean Pascal, Hillary and Amit. My question is on the slide you showed on page 25. The end market impact, the challenge once for the next 2 to 3 years. Maybe you could give us a little bit more information the one third in buildings, what have you put into there, which ones?

And I'm a bit surprised about the size of the impaired end markets you see in infrastructure. Maybe you could elaborate on, those markets as well.

Speaker 1

Sure. Jean Pascal, you want to take that question. I think the line was not very clear on this side for the first second, but over to you in terms of the building exposure. I suppose that's the question around that Andreas is asking.

Speaker 2

Andrea, since I've got your message from it, it's what about the market exposure on building on the side of infrastructure. Am I right?

Speaker 5

Which market do you consider challenge within the building space? And also I'm a bit surprised that almost half of infrastructure you can see the challenge maybe you could elaborate on which parts of the infrastructure end market you have included in the challenge process.

Speaker 2

Yes, that may be a pessimistic view of the situation, but when we look at the building on the more than 30% of our exposure got 10% which is residential on this one. The crisis has financially could boost actually this segment. Because people have spent time at home and they want probably to retrofit on, on, a rework on the apartment. And also we've seen in some countries the movement of people from center of the city to the outside like in the U. S.

And that's generating actually already more business. Then when we go into the space of the building, actually in what we do, there is a lot of technical building. Let's speak about health care, for instance, that's part of the building segment and it's very significant for us. You've got building a crater also, which, I've been, well, reworking on their facilities to prevent, the diffusion of the contagion, for instance, working on the VMS to control the quality of air and so on and so on. The one which has been impacted negatively has been hospitality.

It doesn't mean we don't do business there. We've taken some nice projects of services to retrofit, upgrade in the time of non occupation and be ready for when customers would start to come back. But you see that at the end of the day, when one sings about the building, many people are thinking about offices on pure offices. That's only a fraction of what we have here in that group that we call building. 10% residential, lot of technical building, more than 10% others and the rest is more office building, more usual building or commercial buildings, that you meet in the cities.

On what we see in the building is a real question in on what digitization can bring in the future for sustainability for efficiency and a lot of development into social distancing in the building on Hensi building. So that's for the building. When we speak about, infrastructure, the reason why we've we've put a bit of Freddy is negative impact of the crisis that it might have on some countries, but it's clear that it's a place where a large part of the investment in the stimulus packages will go. And we are speaking about transportation networks, which we did, I mean, intra city transportation network. You're going to speak about electrical vehicle here on the preparation of the infrastructure for electrical vehicle, which is impacting, of course, our business because most of the investment ingo is going into the parking of tertiary buildings where people work or residential building where people live.

It's, it's about all the city infrastructure, the grids on the grids. Actually, we've seen our order intake to the grid developing auto utilities for the digitization of utilities developing very well with that flagship project we have taken in Egypt for instance. All the water networks, where people have questioned, the capacity of the network, water network to propagate the virus, which will, you know, again, entel more investment into monitoring on surveillance. So, Well, maybe we've been a little bit too pushy on or too pessimistic on the red. The red part is economy going down less investment, but this is a place in infrastructure where a lot of the seamless package will go.

Speaker 5

Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

All right. Thank you. Thanks Andreas for the question. We can come back on the details separately as well. I think there's the element also around oil and gas there.

Let's move to the next question please.

Speaker 6

Good morning, everyone. Thanks so much for taking my question. I wanted to talk about software, and strategy there, and now let me close the rip Firstly, could you give some indication of what is the growth potential for risk just from introduction of that offer to Schneider's existing clients, and the way I understand it is that the competition there is not really the, and the name of Czech Pro Court, but rather the kind of traditional tools like paper and Excel spreadsheets to a 5 d bin. So I just wonder what's kind of the potential there for ripped to grow as Schneider helps introducing into its existing customer base. Second part of that question is, Could you talk about how the software, excuse me, that software business will be managed within Schneider?

Because it's obviously very different to how Adidas set up as a standalone company. You know, building a software portfolio inside Schneider. So, I wanted to who will be responsible for that or whether it be of possibilities across kind of energy management. If you talk about that, that would be great.

Speaker 1

Thank thank you for the question. I think, we'll pass it to Jean Pascal just just to be aware that, you know, Rabe is going to announce their results. I think just in the the coming day or 2, but I'm sure we'll talk about what that means for us. So, Jean Pascal over to you, please.

Speaker 2

Yeah, Amit, as you say, I'm going to say very general because reb is, is listed companies are going to publish in a few days, so I don't want to to infringe on their territory, very happy that we closed this operation. What it means we work at Schneider, we supply systems of energy management of building automation of automation to many construction sites. And as you rightly say so, while the building sector is yet to start really, it's moving towards digitization. So far, it's not been, it's not been really digitized on this probably the least digitize of all the segments, we are addressing, on what we see that the whole industry and it's a complex industry because it's industry where many stakeholders will be in serving in an architect, a design company, a consult terms, a contractor, the end users, they all converge onto that construction project and all want a need to be coordinated on this project. So, there is a massive questioning at the moment for, digitization on the and we see at least that there again the COVID has been an accelerator because during a few months, people have been stuck in their homes and they still add to collaborate together on the projects.

And therefore, they have moved or they are really wanting to adopt digital tools on cloud based digital tools to share information and to be collaborating together. On the, we see a lot of potential, behind RIIB. Our business is really to participate to construction project design of course is important, but companies are doing that and they are doing it very well. Aviva, by the way, for infrastructure, but the place of planning of scheduling on, on, articulate in orchestrating all the trades on the construction side is something which has barely started on Reeb is offering the best solution on the market. What we're going to do at Schneider is very simple.

It's open doors. We've got relationship with all the major players of the construction in the world. What we're going to do is make sure that we take around us or with us, the people are free, who knows very well their offer and make sure that they installed the suite together, we promote together the suite of software on the cloud based suite, with the customer. So we see a lot of potential especially because Reeb so far is still a medium sized company having barely started its globalization and really the big expectation is the global coverage of Schneider, the knowledge of the main deciders in this fear on the capacity to bring this offer to new customers. In terms of management of software channel, would it be listed Aviva and Marie, but is listed also.

We are very attached to manage our software company as software companies because as soon as you go into that soft we are layer of EcoStruxure on the top of control and products, all of our of our customers want to have an agnostic view of the situation because of the past, because maybe of different habits in different geographies, they will be using in the best of cases Schneider controls on products, but in many cases, we'll have to accommodate somebody else's control and products. So, we are very attached to the fact that our software is managed with strong synergies strong plugins with the rest of the company, especially at the commercial level, especially at the technological level when you need to plug the software into the rest of EcoStruxure, but at the same time, we are even more attached to the fact that our software remains a software company. So rib as the other software company, IGXAO, are managed by entrepreneurial managers who leverage the rest of Schneider on our commercial production to develop their own value proposition and also to create common thread, digital threads, behind the different or between the different parts of the software of Schneider.

A very interesting thing, as you mentioned it, is what we have launched in H1, you know that Aviva is going mostly from the industrial segment on Aviva working with Schneider has developed this complete unified operation center for data centers on edge computing, which is a complete new value proposition, inherited somewhere in terms of capability from the most complex manufacturing that Aviva serves in the world and apply to a completely new sector, which neither knows perfectly well, which is the data center.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 7

All right. Thank you for that.

Speaker 1

We'll take the next question.

Speaker 4

Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Mankze from Exane BNP Paribas. Please ask your question.

Speaker 7

Hi, thank you. Good morning. Yes, a question please. So our free cash flow in the second half, obviously sales to be down year on year, but hopefully up sequentially, I guess what happens to working capital from here, is it now a sequential headwind in the second half Obviously, such a strong start, almost a 1,000,000,000 of free cash flow in the first half. I think consensus had you actually doing sort of the 3,000,000,000 that you see as achievable through the cycle this year.

Can we not actually do 3,000,000,000 now such a strong start to the year? And if not, why not is it related to cash cost of restructuring? I know that you've, you've got, guidance of 400 to 500 over the next 3 years P and L charge. What does that look like from a cash perspective? Is there a lot of cash cost of restructuring in the second half that's just gonna impact your your cash flow?

Speaker 1

Thank you, Jonathan. Thank you, Jonathan. Very clear of the question. Maybe Hillary, you want to take that one.

Speaker 3

Sure. Happy to walk through it. So I'll start by saying that, Jean Pascal talked to the midterm expectations for our cash flow. So around 3,000,000,000 of on average across the cycle. We aren't going to give, cash flow guidance for 2020 specifically today, but to talk through a few of the elements like you already said, and is obvious in our guidance, we do expect a year over year volume decline still, between 2 second half twenty nineteen and second half twenty twenty.

Like you also said though, we do expect Q2 is the trough in our volumes. So there is a sequential pickup, between H1 and H2. And of course, there's a bit of impact there in terms of cash conversion on working capital. In terms of trade working capital, in particular, I expect we'll continue to focus on, day sales outstanding and payables, in the second half. And I spoke to the fact that we expect to remain agile on inventory in order to serve our customers.

The only other point I would make is that, we do have some deferred tax payment in H1 that would impact us in H2. Turning to the second piece of your question in restructuring costs, In terms of the restructuring, I'd spoke to, we were on track at the end of 2019 for around $250,000,000 in I've spoken 15 to 1,250,000,000 over the 3 years. The majority of that will be in 2020 and 2021. And you can see in first half already, we have around 220,000,000, in restructuring.

Speaker 7

All right. Thank you, John.

Speaker 1

I think we'll move on to the next question.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Gail De Bray from Deutsche Bank. Please ask your question.

Speaker 8

Yes. Good morning, everybody. Can I have a quick question for Hillary and then, a question for Jean Pascal So the quick one on the inventory line? So there was obviously kind of a big increase in H1. I was wondering whether the increase was a quality spread to have between work in progress and finished goods or not really.

The second question is about the M and A pipeline. If you could talk a little bit more about this, And in particular, I was wondering whether you see the current crisis as perhaps a map an opportunity to accelerate on the M and A side in particular in the software domain.

Speaker 3

Maybe I can take the first part of the question. So in terms of inventory, you could see on our balance sheet, we did have an increase, in the 1st half. I think as you can see in 2019 in both halves, we're quite agile in managing inventory. So we're capable of managing, but between, you know, over a 3 or 4 month timeframe. In terms of inventory increase, therefore, what you are seeing is an increase in, in finished goods and and, products that we expect to sell.

So like I said, we make we made a conscious effort, to keep plants running at capacity in the H1 in expectation of, of some level of recovery, in the H2 and in order to serve our customers. If that answers that piece of the question, I think I I'll turn to Jean Pascal for the second.

Speaker 2

Am I on 9?

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Yeah. Right. I just want to reinforce what ARI said. We are really engaged to make sure that we support our customers in the recovery, post lockdown. And it's really important for us to make sure that we build enough reserves in a very complex world in terms of supply chain, especially also supporting our suppliers.

On compensating for some of the issues we may have met there in H1 and make sure that we cover well the need of the market. In terms of M And A, well, we've acquired Prolite, as you saw on its beautiful adding in the field of software for consumer goods, for food and beverage, really a nice nice piece that complements very well what we do at Schneider. Very appeals for that we concluded. I, we actually sooner than I, I thought. We still have, the process of acquisition of Luna, which is, which is going forward.

Frankly, we don't see a particularly the crisis as a plus or minus for all of this. For acquisition. As I said many times, we have declared and we have made clear our strategy now for many years, you know where our points of interest, if we want to enlarge our portfolio, also repeated that today we have everything we need in the portfolio. But when we see some surgical moves very, very focused that we can do to reinforce our portfolio, then we are moving like we do with IB in the field of complementing the portfolio of Alibaba as well as the one of Schneider. But we remain extremely focused in anything we should do on, we don't see particularly surprises as a trigger of specific movements.

Speaker 7

All right. Thank you for that.

Speaker 1

We'll move to the next question, but I just want to repeat. Let's keep it to one question per person because I'd like to give the opportunity to all the analysts to ask a question in the timeline. So next question please.

Speaker 4

Your next question comes from the line of Alexander Virgo from Bank of America. Please ask your question.

Speaker 7

Thanks very much. Good morning, everyone. Trust you all well. So my one question is a clarification, I suppose, really.

Speaker 9

I just wondered if you could give us

Speaker 7

a little bit more color around the tailwinds in H1 and Q2 from the inventory build working days and distributor restock and to a little bit more color, I suppose, about how that may or may not reverse, presumably it reverses in H2, and the benefit that that bought to margins as well, I suppose would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Around inventory, you can see that we built inventory in the first half around 1,000,000 in inventory we built in the first half. Now if you compare with prior sales, of course, we had the drop drop in sales in Q2. So days of inventory out standing is is gonna have an increase. What I said was that we would remain agile in the 2 around inventory. I'd also said, we would expect certainly a level of stock consumption of the inventory that we have that we've built up in H1 today.

So that will come through in our, in our cost of goods sold. And then we expect to keep agile. At the moment, I think inventory planning is less about the past and more about where we see on a month by month basis as much planning as we can do there, in order to make sure that we're prepared to meet to to meet the customer demand that we see coming.

Speaker 1

All right. We'll move to the next question.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Alice De Lesley from Societe Generale. Please ask your question.

Speaker 10

I wanted to ask about your Energy And Sustainability Services business. Can you give us the growth rates? I'm sorry, you give us the growth rates, but I was wondering whether perhaps you could give us an indication of the size of this business either in absolute terms or share of group revenues? And secondly, there's a clear acceleration in the number of companies, as you highlighted, trying to understand their carbon footprint, map their emissions, launch carbon related targets etcetera. Trying to gauge the growth potential here over the next few years for you and the pull through a more Schneider technology.

So perhaps what are the typical lead times from customer contact and initial consulting through to implementation of energy efficiency measures and potentially procurement of more Schneider product systems solutions. And then finally, previously Jean Pascal that not many people really wanted to advise on sustainability. So how much of a competitive advantage would you say sustainability services is today for you some of your other strengths like econstruction, partnership network, etcetera? Thanks.

Speaker 1

Well, thank you for the question. I think before I turn it over to Jean scale on the topic. I think, yes, we do give the growth rates. So that's already available. And in terms of the overall size, just refer you to our Sean Schneider sustainability impact, and, you know, there is in fact one of the criteria that we have is linked to, to the size as well.

So I think you can find it there. But Jean Pascal, over to you on the overall element of sustainability here.

Speaker 2

It's actually a we fail to a sustainability impact to give the perimeter we give to that specific consulting, but Actually, the question is, is much wider Schneider because, while we've engaged into this avenue, because, many of the solutions we propose, would it be smart buildings, smart and efficient buildings, or smart and efficient homes energy monitoring of which we are world leader by a large amount. Smart grid for micro grids for customers who want to produce autonomously their own energy from renewable on also organizing the circularity on your production line or organizing the efficiency for your energy and resources at the level of a production line. All of these are recipes or solutions to a problem of sustainability. What we have organized over the past 10 years is to grow a team of consultants, which have from the beginning that or invested on digital so that they would come to your company, put your company, would it be a tertiary company, would it be an IT company, would it be a manufacturing company, put sensors on all your sources of consumption or impact on energy and resources, bring all of the data into 1 central repository, analyze your demand profile, match it with analytics with AI to all the offers in terms of supply, which can come from all the diverse offers.

It can be utilities. It can be independent power producers. It can be renewable producers. Provide you advice on how to reduce your consumption. Therefore, save, consume less, on where to source your energy, which is consumed better.

And organize also a strategy of certificates in the countries where you can deploy that kind of strategy on doing that, because we are not only consultants, we are also practitioners We're not only doctors who are also pharmacists. We've seen an incredible traction of of, of customers. Especially because when those customers are not only local, but they're also international. So they want to consolidate their data all over the world. So, we are serving 1, you can find that on our internet, but we are the sustainability adviser of Blackstone, of other firms also, who are investors in real estate we are working, like, we signal the the the contract that we, we just signed with Foreicia.

So a pure industrial company and there are many other companies around the world that, that work reserves. I'll take another example. We are the biggest adviser in the field of renewable PPA in North America. I mean, on actually in the world today, if you want to source your energy from renewable, you we are the trusted advisor of many companies around the world. So that layer of consulting, again, same as software.

First, it's completely enabled by digital. On second, it's completely agnostic. So we have this entity which is outside of the hardware line of business on which can then advise the customer on the customer find the warranty of the impartiality of, of this entity. But if the customer wants to go to results or wants to go from the diagnosis into the, the commitment of achieving the results, then we can implement the solutions with our Energy Management division or with our industrial automation division. So that's that's it.

On on ends, of course, you have the official figures that you can find in our reporting, but the reality of what we do in sustainability is is much larger if you stick to consulting, you have one figure. And if you go to consulting plus remediation, it's a large part of Schneider. It's actually a large part of what I call the digital and service flywheel, which is going into that part of the equation.

Speaker 7

All right. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Competition. Look, you have a lot of companies that have started to try to provide but in terms of scale, it's almost, I would say, a greenfield space, it's a place where the value proposition that we have from the agnostics into operation, our capacity to respond is quite unique on our history of championing sustainability is also unique. So, it's for us to push this advantage faster or to do it in a more reasonable manner. It's all about recruiting people at the end of the day.

Speaker 1

All right. Thank you for that. I think mindful of time and I know that there are still probably a few questions. We'll probably go over another 5 minutes and we try to wrap in as many questions. We can get quick questions.

So let's go over the next question, please.

Speaker 4

Your next question comes from the line of Wazee Rizvi from RBC. Please ask your question.

Speaker 6

It was another one on restructuring, actually. So, I mean, you're fitting in another 2 year worth of restructuring over the next 3 years, basically. And I just want to understand, is it an acceleration of longer standing plans that you had and maybe after this period, the underlying restructuring level is lower or you make its fundamental shifts based on what you think is going to happen from COVID and the and the way the world works. And then also just a bit more detail on you. Is it headcount?

Is it factory? Are you changing markets that you're targeting? Just a bit more color would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Sure. Let me speak to that. So we talked about, a total restructuring now of around 1,000,000,000 over the 3 year time frame. We'd had a prior operational efficiency plan already going. That's a decent portion of that.

And we are looking to accelerate that into the 3 year time frame. So we've talked about something more in the range 4 to 5 years. So we'll look to accelerate the restructuring that we're doing both from the prior program that we already had and taking the opportunity of COVID on simplification and effectiveness within the organization to land on around 1,000,000,000 in, in reduction in SFC over the next 3 years. Now, of course, we may choose and we would choose, I would expect to do some strategic investment in innovation and digital at the same time. I also talked to around 1,000,000,000 in, in productivity during the same time frame.

That's a little bit lower than productivity's numbers that we've talked to in the past recognizing course, that while we see pro positive productivity in 2020, it's quite a bit lower than, than what we've had due to lower volumes and, and COVID cost impacts. So but and and some component of that is associated with structural savings as well. On the cost side, therefore, a total cost of 1.15to1.25000000000 in restructuring over that time frame, No serious crystal ball as to exactly how the world is going to be doing after 2022. But we would expect, again, this is an acceleration of a program that we already had underway. So we would expect to go back to what I would consider to be sort of normalized levels after that.

And of that, around 1.5to1.25 1,000,000,000, the bulk of it will probably be in 2020. You can already see the beginning of it in 2020 and in 2021.

Speaker 1

All right. That's clear. We're going to take, probably 1 or maybe 2 if we can squeeze them in.

Speaker 4

Next question comes from the line of James Moore from Redburn.

Speaker 11

To one, might just talk about demand momentum, if I could. I know you don't report on order intake, but given the world is moving really fast at the moment. I wondered if you might be able to give us a little flavor for order dynamics at the end of the period and the revenue exit rate for June and maybe any color on how we started in July, I ask because We're getting some mixed signals. Some talk about China not sustaining the good 2Q recovery. Some talk about a redeterioration in the USA.

Others are more upbeat. And we have some mixed signals. I'd be very interested in as much possible color on, recent demand momentum as you can get.

Speaker 2

James, I, I will send you back to the beautiful slide of guidance that I presented, which is, the guidance of today is almost becoming a book in the number of lines of detail that we try to give in our vision of the demand today. But I I I would say, look, if you look back at Q2, the worst of the months where April or May with violations, really by region are very different, but we've seen June clearly with a recovery. So, we consider q 2 as a trough. There are many reasons for that. I I I think most of us, countries, and and companies have realized that there is no searching as post COVID at the moment.

We have learned to live with it. We have learned to operate with it. And it may be in a very different and unusual manner, but now people are back to business and back at work. So, we see now a recovery on the demand. Our order book, we don't disclose it, but it's better than the sales book, of course, in Q2, which prepares for a better momentum as we go.

Now I told it in my presentation. I think we have to be all very humble in our capacity to predict, but there is enough momentum that we can give you the forecast that we gave you. On the specific case of China that you mentioned, we still see a solid recovery in China in the sectors that we cover.

Speaker 1

All right. I think we'll probably take one more question, please.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Your final question comes from Simon Tencent from Jefferies. Please ask your question.

Speaker 9

Yes, good morning, everyone. One question please on your EBITDA bridge. Looking at the swings, obviously the much better SFC versus, I guess, much lower productivity is the biggest swing in the bridge. You also talked about some structural changes, positively around FFC. Given your confidence giving full year guidance again, Could you just elaborate a bit more around the changes H2 versus H1 of the kind of key drivers within your bridge?

And I'd be also interested within FFC if you could mention the level of investment and whether that's changed in H1 year over year. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure. So I think the question is to talk a little bit about the adjusted EBITDA between H1 and H2. So in terms of, we gave a few of the elements, in terms of gross margin was a driver for us in adjusted EBITDA in H1, We talked about price remaining positive, in between H1 and H2. We talked about productivity remaining positive between, H1, sorry, I don't mean necessarily a sequential increase, but price should remain was positive in 1 should remain positive in H2. Productivity was positive in H1.

Productivity should remain positive in H2. One differential was on mix where we expect a more normalization of geographical and of, and of the mix between our products and systems business in, in the second half. So we talked to that being flat. Or best prediction being closer to flat, in the second half. In terms of SFC, We spoke about we gave you the direct numbers in terms of SFC reduction in H1 with a big bulk of that $200,000,000 out of the $350,000,000 being associated with tactical savings.

We do expect that that should probably start to ramp down, certainly start to ramp down in H2 and over the next over the next 12 months. At the same time, we have some level of structural savings, through our operational efficiency plan that we would expect to maintain and in, in fact, accelerate over the next, over the next 12 months. So that can give you a bit of, a bit of, guidance in terms of what we might expect in terms of, in terms of SFC

Speaker 1

All right. I think, I think we'll probably have to stop it there. Thank you for all the questions. I believe they are still a few more questions on the web, I believe, as well as on the phone line. We promised to get back to you as soon as possible.

You'll probably see on the slide deck as well that we have a list of conferences and events that are coming up mostly obviously digital now. And we're also thinking about some specific thematic events. And I take the feedback from the questions that came today as well, as we plan through those. So, thank you all for your time for your extended time with us today. Thank you, Jean Pascal, in Hong Kong and Hilary over here.

And the IR team is available as well for follow-up calls. Thank you all. Have a good day.

Speaker 4

Thank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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