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Earnings Call: Q1 2026

Apr 23, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Verallia Q1 2026 results analyst call. The call will be structured in two parts. First, a presentation by the Verallia group management team represented by Patrice Lucas, CEO, and Cristina Riesgo, CFO. Afterwards, there will be a Q&A session. During this session, you may ask question in two ways, by submitting a written question in the box below the player, or by joining the conference call and dial pound key five on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. I will now hand over to the management team. Please go ahead.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Welcome to our Q1 2026 financial results call. I'm pleased to have with me today Cristina Riesgo, our new CFO. As usual, we will go through our presentation and then we'll have the Q&A session. After a quick introduction, we'll go directly to our numbers with Cristina and I will be back with our outlook for 2026. As an introduction, just to remind you as usual, that Verallia is a global leader in glass packaging. We are number one in Europe, number two in Latin America, and number three worldwide. On this chart you have our ID card, you have on the left the 2025 split of our sales by segment. One of our strong assets is our customer base and the diversified and balanced end market in which we operate.

We operate in 12 countries with 35 glass plants and 67 furnaces, serving 11,000 customers and producing about 18 billion bottles and jars a year. Please note also that we are running 19 cullet recycling centers, allowing us to control about 50% of our needs for external cullet. Before moving to our numbers, I would like to share an update on our industrial adaptation footprint, which was announced in mid-February. As a reminder, we decided to adapt and reduce our installed capacity to align with the reality of current demand and to address overcapacity in the European market. Our three projects are progressing as planned and in line with local processes. In Germany, in Essen, the plant was shut down at the end of March. Negotiations regarding the social plan should be concluded in the coming weeks and are expected to involve around 300 terminations.

In France, this concerns the closure of one furnace at our Châteaubernard plant. This furnace has reached the end of its life and will not be rebuilt. In this case, the social process to finalize the voluntary redundancy plan is underway, and the furnace is expected to be shut down by the end of H1. In the U.K., the closure of one of the two furnaces at our Nottingham plant is scheduled for the end of the month. Overall, these three projects are progressing as planned, with a full impact expected in H2. Sorry. Before letting the floor to Cristina, a quick comment about our financial numbers. Our Q1 numbers are showing a profitability up year- on- year and marking a first stage in the recovery of Verallia's performance.

Q1 revenue is down by -2.4% year-over-year to EUR 798 million, with organic growth at -1.2% year-over-year, with total volume being flat. Q1 adjusted EBITDA is EUR 159 million +8.3% versus last year, and with a margin at 19.9%, which is +197 basis points versus Q1 last year. About our net debt, our leverage is stable versus last December at 2.7x. Now I give the floor to Cristina for more details.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Thank you, Patrice. Let's start with looking at the revenue bridge based on the numbers that Patrice just gave. Okay, revenue came in at EUR 798 million, down 2.4% year-on-year, which is a -1.2% organic growth. Looking specifically at volumes, trends in Q1 were overall stable and are fully in line actually with our expectations. Volumes were slightly down year-on-year at 0.4%, where we saw growth in food jars and spirits. That actually offset the declines experienced in non-alcoholic beverage and sparkling wines. In Europe, the demand is roughly stable. As expected, volumes in Germany are down by double-digit, but this is fully aligned with our industrial footprint adaptation.

Excluding Germany, European volumes were growing at a low single digit rate, and this is driven by the momentum in Southern and Western Europe. In Latin America, volumes are overall flat. We saw low single digit growth in Brazil, stable volumes in Argentina, and a high single digit decline in Chile. Spirits actually continued to perform very well and confirm the positive momentum already observed end of last year, particularly in Brazil, which is supported by our Campo Bom furnace. Beer and wine trends remain mixed across the region. Now, if we turn into pricing and mix, the impact was negative by around EUR 60 million, almost 2%. Okay?

It's reflected on the bridge, and is coming from the carry-over effect from 2025, and some initial prices that we had to negotiate at the beginning of the year in a very different cost environment, okay, from what we've seen today. Importantly is that this price mix impact is much less pronounced than in previous quarters. Actually we are confirming that we are moving into a normalized environment. Finally, foreign exchange had a slight negative impact outside Argentina, and it was mainly related to the U.K. and Ukraine. There is no perimeter effect during the quarter. If we turn now to the EBITDA bridge. Yep. What we see is higher profitability and clearly fueled by a slightly positive spread and net productivity gains.

Adjusted EBITDA reached EUR 159 million in the quarter, which is up 8.3% compared to Q1 versus last year, which translates into a margin of 19.9%. Almost 200 basis points higher year-on-year. The improvement is driven by three key factors. First, activity and operating leverage that were broadly neutral and reflecting stable volumes overall. Second, after two years of a strong negative spread, the price mix cost spread turned slightly positive in Q1, which is reflecting a normalization effect, right? That helped in particular by lower energy costs following the end of the very expensive 2022 hedges. Third, productivity delivered very strong this quarter and net productivity reached 2.1% net of cash production costs, and that represents EUR 12 million. This is actually the result of continued discipline on operational initiatives and Performance Action Plans across the group.

Finally, SG&A was very well controlled and all the teams pushed for reductions that were more than offsetting some one-off items that we saw. FX was essentially neutral, excluding Argentina. Overall, this confirms that profitability is structurally improving, even in a still challenging commercial environment. If we look at the net debt evolution and leverage. As of March 31st, 2026, net debt stood at EUR 1.9 billion, including EUR 64 million of right-of-use assets. Leverage remains stable at 2.7x the last 12 months adjusted EBITDA, which is unchanged versus December 2025. It's important to remark that the EBITDA increased versus the year-end, and moved back above the EUR 700 million for the first time in several quarters, right?

I would just mention a quick thing that actually net debt increased versus December 2025, but that was driven by normal Q1 seasonality, minority dividends that we paid in the Canary Islands, and then some fair value movements on financial instruments. Okay? That doesn't change our leverage position, which keeps us stable. Finally, if we move to our financial structure and liquidity, I will just mention a few words. Our financial liquidity remains very strong and has a very good maturity profile, as you can see with the first maturity in 2028. Okay? The majority of our debt is actually long dated and a significant portion on our floating rate exposure is hedged through interest rate caps, which actually protects us from short-term market volatility. Our financial structure remains robust and very flexible and resilient, right?

Which gives us confident visibility to execute our strategy and 2026 objectives.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Thanks a lot, Cristina, for your comments. Let's move to the 2026 outlook. For full year 2026, we do confirm our objectives in an economic environment marked by continued soft consumption and increased, obviously, geopolitical uncertainty. Subject to the absence of a significant deterioration of the situation in the Middle East, we aim to generate an adjusted EBITDA of around EUR 700 million and a free cash flow of around EUR 220 million, excluding the restructuring cash out plan in relation to the group industrial footprint optimization project. We confirm our objectives, we confirm our guidance, and we remain focused on strengthening our competitiveness, cash generation, and deleveraging by, one, implementing our capacity adaptation plan. Two, delivering enhanced PAP savings. Three, keeping CapEx under strict control around 8% of our sales as we presented during the full year 2025 results.

Thanks a lot for your attention, and now let's open the Q&A session.

Operator

If you wish to ask a question, you may do so by submitting a written question in the box below the player or by joining the conference call and dial pound key five on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial pound key six on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Francisco Ruiz from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Francisco Ruiz
Analyst, BNP Paribas

Hello, good morning, and welcome, Cristina. I have two questions. The first one is related to pricing. If you could give some, I know that you don't give the exact numbers on pricing, but you could give us an idea of how prices are in the different geographies. In this environment of high energy costs, take into account that you and some of your very close competitors are fully hedged for the year, but not the small players in the industry. If you have seen from those players some movements trying to put the prices above current levels in order to offset the energy cost. The second question is, you have booked around EUR 53 million provisions this quarter in your P&L.

I was wondering how much of this is cash, and also if this is the total amount that you expect from the restructuring plan to happen, or we could expect something more in the future. Thank you.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Okay. Thanks a lot, Francisco, for your two questions. I will take the first one about pricing and cost, and Cristina will take the second one. About pricing, you have seen that in Q1 result number, we are around 2%. As volume is being flat, we have a 3% price increase, so low single-digit price reduction. By geography, obviously, this is a mix of Europe and LATAM. In LATAM, we are much more in an inflation situation. We have some slight price increase, but the weight of LATAM in our business, so I think we can do all of that. Low single-digit price increase, to make it simple, in Europe, with more than 80% of the negotiations already done and behind us, which is putting us in a situation we were expecting, which is a normalization of the spread, of the price mix versus cost.

You're right, you know that we are hedged on energy slightly above 80%, which is some visibility, and we are benefiting from that, and being in a kind of cautious situation versus what is coming, especially with this Middle East situation. I cannot comment about competition and what the competition is doing, obviously, as I do not have any information except what is publicly communicated, but we do not communicate our thoughts on that. No more to say about that on my side, Francisco. For the EUR 53 million-

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Yes, Francisco, as you were mentioning, we booked in Q1 a EUR 53 million restructuring provision, and that reflects our best estimate as of today of the one-off cost that we plan to have right on the restructuring programs. As Patrice mentioned, the program is proceeding as planned, and it's fully in line with the roadmap that we communicated. Okay? The measures are primarily people-related and focused on removing structural cost in geographies where capacity utilization and demand dynamics no longer justify the current footprint. These costs are actually largely cash based and will be mostly absorbed in 2026, with a little reminder in 2027. Thinking of the cash impact on Q1, I can say that it's just a few millions, okay? Less than EUR 10 million in Q1. The plans are still...

We'll see the structural savings coming toward the rest of the year, which means permanent reduction in fixed personnel costs.

Francisco Ruiz
Analyst, BNP Paribas

Okay. Could we have an update of the savings? I don't know if you have commented on this already, if it's going to be one-to-one to the provision or a payback of one year or something like that, or could you give us more details on the savings?

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

On those savings, what we are expecting, let's say a net run rate EBITDA gain of around EUR 20 million. We expect to get that. Obviously, as we expect full impact in H2, it's going to be in 2026, so 50% of that. This is what we have in our plan.

Francisco Ruiz
Analyst, BNP Paribas

It's included in the EUR 700 million that you mentioned on the guidance?

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Yes.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Yes.

Francisco Ruiz
Analyst, BNP Paribas

Okay, thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Jean-François Granjon from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Jean-François Granjon
Financial Analyst, ODDO BHF

Yes, good morning. Three questions from my side. The first one, could you come back on the volume? We saw stabilization in Q1. Do you expect an improvement or not for the volume in the coming months, coming quarters? Second question regarding the spread impact. There is a negative impact for the top line, but a neutral impact for the EBITDA during this first quarter. Do you expect an improvement or neutral impact for the full year despite the decrease of the pricing? The last question concerns the capacity in the European market. There are lots of capacity reduction with some closure of furnaces. Do you consider that currently the market is well-balanced or remains with some overcapacity? Thank you.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Okay, thanks a lot, Jean-François. About volume, for Q1, as we said in Q1, we have a flat volume. This is 0- we say, but we consider flat. With a strong growth in food jar and spirits, which is offsetting a decline in non-alcoholic beverage and sparkling wine. We have a low performance, a decline performance, I would say, in Germany, which was expecting and in line, as it has been said by Cristina, and in line with the adaptation plan we have put in place. In Latin America, overall, we are flat as well. With, let's say, a low single digit growth in Brazil, flat in Argentina, and a high single digit down in Chile.

In LATAM, spirits are performing very well and confirm the positive momentum we had last year, especially in Brazil, while we see beer and wine more mixed in terms of evolution. For the rest of the year, we stick to what we said during full year. We expect to be in a flattish situation, 0 ± . No big expectation on the volumes compared to last year for the to-go. We are very cautious about that, and especially cautious in the current environment with the Middle East and to understand if inflation is back, is there any demand impact to come or whatsoever. We are really vigilant on that. No big change for this topic.

On spread, we are exactly where we said we would be, which is you do remember that after two big positive year, 2022, 2023, two strong negative year, 2024 and 2025, we said that spread will normalize. This is exactly what we see, and we do expect that for the full year. No change there. About capacity, what I can say is that I do believe that we have still some overcapacity as a market and not well balanced between demand and capacity in Northeast Europe. We do consider that we have done our part of the job there, moving from, if you do remember, we used to add, at the end of 2023, 10 furnaces in Germany, and with the plan we have now, which is underway, we are going to move from 10 - 6 furnaces.

We do believe that we have done our job on our side, and that we are quite comfortable. I would say we have now a footprint in Germany with three plants, six furnaces to do good business. For the rest of Europe, we see the demand and capacity much more balanced. In our view, on our side, no need to go for much more adaptation.

Jean-François Granjon
Financial Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Saul Casadio from M&G plc. Please go ahead.

Saul Casadio
Director of Corporate Credit Research, M&G plc

Hi, thanks. Thanks for taking my questions. I have a couple. The first one is on the price cost spread. Did you expect that to remain positive over the year? You mentioned normalization. I'm wondering whether that could be a positive contributor to the EBITDA bridge for this year.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Thanks a lot. Again, this is what we said. We stick to what we commented in February. We see the spread, so price mix versus cost normalizing, which is again, if you take the latest, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, we had big positive and negative swing. Here we are saying that it's normalizing, and this is what Q1 is demonstrating, and this is why we say we stick to that for the full year. It means it's going to be 0+ , 0- . You know that in price mix, versus cost, there is a mix, which is quite complicated to predict and depend on the demand. We'll see.

We clearly have the demonstration that compared to the past four years, there is a clear normalization, and we are back to our standard business model, which is a slight growth in activity, net whole spread, I would say, and then an improvement in profitability coming from self-help measure, mainly PAP delivering more than 2% cash cost saving. We are back to something which is much more solid.

Saul Casadio
Director of Corporate Credit Research, M&G plc

Okay, thanks for clarifying this part. In terms of your volume performance, I just want to double check. You said -0.4% for the volumes in the quarter overall. Just want to check that, and also if you can give us a sense of the market performance, if you were in line with market, above, below. Just want to have a better sense of the market overall.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

I do confirm on the volume side for Q1, this is what you say. It's flat. Again, it's flat in Europe with Germany being strongly negative, but expected and in line with our plan. It means that on some of the regions, we have much more positive development in Europe. LATAM as well is again flat, with Brazil slightly up and Argentina flat and Chile down. This is what we see. Compared to market, it's always complicated to position as we speak, because we do not have really, as we speak, the market, and we cannot speak about market share or category share whatsoever. What is a positive news for us is that we are aligned with what we said and planned at the beginning of the year.

Saul Casadio
Director of Corporate Credit Research, M&G plc

Okay. Roughly in line with market. Last one, if I can, is just a clarification in terms of the costs and savings associated with the closures of the three furnaces. You mentioned EUR 20 million as a cost savings that you expect to see. You already mentioned the cash cost, but I just want to clarify what the number is. The cash cost of the closure.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Sorry, I didn't-

Saul Casadio
Director of Corporate Credit Research, M&G plc

The cash cost with the three closures.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Yeah. It's what we announced in February. It's between EUR 40 million-EUR 50 million.

Saul Casadio
Director of Corporate Credit Research, M&G plc

Okay. Sorry, I just want to repeat that. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Yes.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Manuel Lorente from Santander. Please go ahead.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Yes. Hello, good morning, and welcome, Cristina, to our small community. My first question probably it's on hedging, energy hedging. You commented that you are fully hedged for 2026. My question is more related to 2027, whether you have made some proactive actions given the current backdrop or whether you can give us initial thoughts or the amount of hedge that you have for next year.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Okay. Manuel, just to correct, we are not fully hedged for 2026. We are hedged at around slightly above 80%, just to correct. This is aligned with our hedging policy, which is, for year +1 , at the end of the year. For the year +1 , I want to be covered by 80%. For the year +2 , 40%, and for the year +3 , 20%. This is a rolling policy, so we are fully aligned with that. We have about 20% of our energy cost for 2026, which are following the spot price, just to clarify up to about 2027, so we are in a situation to apply our hedging policy.

Since March, to be clear, due to the uncertainty and the volatility, we have made a pause for 2027, waiting for a better understanding of where the energy is going to land, especially on the gas side. For 2027, we have already taken some hedging position, but taken from 2026 and beginning of the year, January and February, and no more since March. We are in a kind of pause mode as we speak. Hope it clarifies.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Okay. Thanks. Maybe a follow-up on this. Can you remind us, Patrice, please, what is the amount of pass-through or direct pass-through mechanism on your contracts? As a percentage of sales or whatever number you can provide us.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

It's about 15%-20% of our business, which is managed under pass-through formula.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Okay, great. Excellent. My second question then is, I believe that Cristina mentioned the EUR 11 million net productivity gain on this year. My perception, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that the EUR 20 million delta of new savings for the revamping of the European business are not included in those EUR 11 million. It's just to confirm, to double-check that this EUR 20 million expected savings are something that we are going to see in coming quarters.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Yeah. Manuel, I confirm. As we were mentioning, we are still closing negotiations.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Keep in mind that the EUR 20 million is a full.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Yeah. Manuel?

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Yeah.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Could you hear us?

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Yeah. Yes now.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Okay.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Yeah, sorry.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Oh, okay. I was just mentioning that I confirm the EUR 11 million doesn't include any benefit from the risk.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Okay, great.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Sorry, go ahead.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Is my final question then. Since we expect an acceleration or a solidifying of these benefits from the cost-cutting plan, we have seen a very nice 8% EBITDA improvement year-over-year. However, the guidance implies a flattish performance for the full year. This is because you want to be conservative at this point in time because, to some extent, Q1 results has been benefiting from some easier comps from Q1 last year. I wanted to double-check with you, at this point in time, why with a meaningful close to double-digit EBITDA improvement guidance is still pointing to a flattish performance year-over-year.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

First of all, we guide on a full year basis. We are not guiding by quarter, and it's already a nice exercise. One. Two, obviously we have a solid performance, and we are quite satisfied with Q1, which is in line with what we expect for the full year shape. It's just one quarter. This quarter, you're right, we have a positive comparison base compared to last year. Let's see how it's going to develop. As we speak, we are in line with what we committed on. Our plans are on the way, and we will see how Q2 is confirming our plans or not, and we will be back in H1 or in July for H1 results, and we'll see if we have to update or not.

Based on the uncertainty, volatility, what is in front of us, sticking to our full-year guidance is our stance today. Let's see. It's just one quarter. Three quarters to go.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Okay. Thank you.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Welcome.

Operator

There are no more oral questions at this time, so I hand the conference back to the speakers for the written questions.

David Placet
Head of Investor Relations, Verallia

Okay. Thanks a lot, and good morning, all. David Placet. I'm the Head of IR. We have a few written questions that I'll share with you now. The first one comes from Antoine Laurent. Question being, if I remember well, your expectations for 2026 for price was towards zero for the full year, and mix was still a question mark. I'm wondering if this Q1 price mix cost spread, so slightly positive, was expected. It looks like it would be some unexpected upside so far. Basically, expectations for the full year price mix cost spread.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

The answer is, yes, it was expected. Again, keep in mind that what we said, we expect in 2026 a normalization of a spread. Again, look at what was the result of our spread in 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, with big swing up and down. Here, we are speaking about a normalization. What we have in Q1 is what was expected. Sorry. Again, we are not managing on a quarterly basis. We are managing on a full year basis, and what we said is still valid for the full year with the caveat of the mix, again, but we do not control. This is why we are saying normalizing.

David Placet
Head of Investor Relations, Verallia

Great. Thanks, Patrice. Another question from Shamir Shah. Can you talk about industry-level capacity closures planned for this year. I guess planned probably we can't, but I guess maybe we can have a quick update on the recent announcements.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Yeah. Planned, I don't know. We'll see. What we know is with the latest announcement and especially the one which came last week or the week before, I don't remember, with Ardagh in Germany. Since the end of 2023, we are up to 25 furnaces closed. Still to come in 2026, the final date, but 25 announcements made, which is at the end an equivalent of 2.2 million tons of glass, which is about 10% of the total production glass in Europe. This is quite significant.

David Placet
Head of Investor Relations, Verallia

Thank you, Patrice. A final set of questions from Andrea Giuseppe Frey. Four of them. The first one relates to energy prices. Question is, what are your scenarios for energy prices, and how confident are you to keep full year EBITDA guidance given significantly higher energy prices? How do you mitigate the impact? That's the first question.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

About energy impact, again, thanks to our hedge policy, we are exposed about 20% of our energy cost. We can make many simulations, but with what I would consider as a central scenario, the impact on energy cost is not so material, I would say, compared to a full year impact. We are speaking about something which will be below double-digit million euro for us. Again, this is according to what we have as our view today. Obviously, what is much more complicated for us to simulate is everything related to logistics and cost and all of that. It could be something similar, worst case. This is what we have. In terms of pricing, we are monitoring all of that. So far, no pricing adjustment related to this Middle East situation.

Obviously, if it will last, we'll have to move and make a kind of surcharge at a point of time. So far, nothing done, nothing planned. Waiting and observing the situation.

David Placet
Head of Investor Relations, Verallia

Thank you. The second question, I guess you've just answered. It actually relates to pricing. How do you expect pricing to develop in 2026?

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Yeah, this is what I've just said.

David Placet
Head of Investor Relations, Verallia

Yeah.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

No more comment.

David Placet
Head of Investor Relations, Verallia

The last two questions relate to leverage and rating. The first question is, where do you expect net leverage to end up by the end of 2026? Is around 2.5x a fair assumption?

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Look, I will not comment on a different or new guidance. We'll refer to the earnings at the first half of the year. Okay? What I can say is that definitely our capital allocation priorities remain unchanged, right? We have had a strong quarter in terms of cash generation with the disciplined CapEx. We keep targeting the leverage by the end of the year, right? There are no changes to the dividend mechanics. There will be no buybacks and no capacity projects, right? In the Capital Markets Day in Q3, we would have the appropriate forum to address any medium-term capital allocation. Okay? As I was mentioning, the first quarter follows typically a seasonal pattern with a bit of a working capital absorption, but we've managed to contain our cash outflows.

For the full year, we expect cash generation to be weighted towards the second half. With this, liquidity remains strong. The leverage will obviously, doing the math, it will hopefully go down, right? We have significant headroom across our financing structure, right? Definitely our goal is, as we said in the press release, is to return to investment grade. That's something that we don't control and we remain focused on execution, right, rather than agency decisions.

David Placet
Head of Investor Relations, Verallia

Great. Thanks, Cristina. That leads us to the last question, which actually you've just partly answered, which was how confident are you that you can keep Moody's IG rating, i.e., how much time you have to improve credit metrics, et cetera. Again, we're working towards that. We're doing the job, and I think that's it.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

That's it.

David Placet
Head of Investor Relations, Verallia

That is it for me. Thanks, Cristina. Thanks, Patrice. I guess we can.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key five on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Saul Casadio from M&G plc. Please go ahead.

Saul Casadio
Director of Corporate Credit Research, M&G plc

Hey. Hi. Thanks for taking the follow-up. It's very similar to the question that's just been asked. It's on your rating on the S&P side. Basically, you're mentioning in your release that you plan to return to investment grade, I guess also to regain IG status with S&P. Would you be able to put a timeframe in your plan to get back to IG on the S&P side?

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

No. Unfortunately, no. As I was mentioning, we are focusing on operational execution, de-leveraging and cash generation. We are in contact with S&P, and they not only look at one quarter, right? Unfortunately, I cannot give you a timeframe, but what I can give you is that de-leveraging and cash generation is definitely a priority and one of my main focus.

Saul Casadio
Director of Corporate Credit Research, M&G plc

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Manuel Lorente from Santander. Please go ahead.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Yes. Sorry, just a quick housekeeping related type of question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither in the presentation nor in the press release have I seen any comment regarding the new dates of the Capital Markets Day. I don't know what is your latest thought about this event. Thank you.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

We are on it, Manuel. We stick to Q3, so we should come back to a precise date. We'll fix that for sure for our next release, working on that and trying to work on that, obviously.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Okay.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Manuel, I would like to just clarify one additional point on the prior question on S&P. The fact that we were downgraded, it didn't trigger any coupon step up, okay? Put option or an acceleration clause. There is no immediate or mechanical impact on the cash interest payments for us with the downgrade. Just to clarify.

Manuel Lorente
Research Analyst, Santander

Okay. Thank you.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Okay.

Operator

The next question comes from Fraser Donlon from Berenberg. Please go ahead.

Fraser Donlon
Analyst, Berenberg

Hi, Patrice and Cristina. It's Fraser here from Berenberg. I just had one question. I was wondering if you've seen any change in behavior of your customers as a result of the war in Iran. Especially reading about kind of higher aluminum pricing, force majeure at some smelters in the Middle East. I was wondering if there's any kind of increased interest you've started to see in glass as a substitute or not yet. Thank you very much.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Thanks a lot, Fraser, for your question. It's a good one, and we are monitoring that, obviously, interacting with our customers. To be clear, so far, no change. I think for our customers, the biggest impact could be supply chain disruption and obviously, preventing them to bottle and to sell. But so far, to be honest and clear, no change. No major change. I've not observed that. It's a little bit early to see that.

Fraser Donlon
Analyst, Berenberg

Okay. No. Thank you very much.

Patrice Lucas
CEO, Verallia

Okay. I believe that we have no more questions. Again, thanks a lot for your attention. As you have seen, we have quite a solid Q1, but it's just one quarter. You know, as I know, all the uncertainty, and from one day to the other, the geopolitical situation could trigger some impact on our business. We will remain confident according to the guidance we committed on early this year. You have understood that we are really focused on self-help measures, strengthening our competitiveness, cash generation, and deleveraging. Let's see. Thanks a lot again, and let's meet in July for a full H1 review. Thanks a lot. Take care. Bye-bye.

Cristina Riesgo
CFO, Verallia

Thank you.

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