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Earnings Call: H1 2024

Aug 13, 2024

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the first half results 2024 conference call. I am the Chorus Call conference operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Mr. Christian Weiz, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Christian Weiz
Head of Investor Relations, hGears AG

Yes, good morning, everybody, and a warm welcome to hGears first half 2024 results conference call. Thank you for joining us this morning. I am Christian Weiz, Head of Investor Relations. With me on the call are today, Sven Arend, our CEO, and Daniel Basok, our CFO. They will present our first half numbers and be available for the Q&A session after the presentation. If you have not yet received our relevant earnings documents, you can find them on the investor relations section of the website. Before we begin the presentation, I would like to draw your attention to the disclaimer on slide 2, which sets out the legal framework under which this presentation must be considered, and which I assume you have read. Now, let me hand over the call to our CEO, Sven Arend.

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

Thank you, Christian. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for this first half 2024 earnings call. The overall market conditions have not changed much since our last earnings call. This means that we have continued to witness slow business development, and this in line with what we expected and what we guided for. We have seen demand for electric vehicles cooling lately, as the enthusiasm for the transition towards the electrification of mobility seems to be taking a breather. However, despite that, and from half year perspective, e-mobility has again proven resilient, with sales remaining more or less at the previous year's half year level. Meanwhile, e-tools declined year-over-year in the first half of 2024, but the business area witnessed another sequential improvement in the second quarter, which may be read as signs of stabilization.

Finally, on the destocking trend in the e-bike segment was still ongoing, though we do not expect any further decline, but it is difficult to say when the expected upturn will happen. We have continued to adapt the organization and structures to current market conditions while also reducing costs. Daniel will present the numbers for the first half of the year, which demonstrate our success in what we do. However, we cannot fully offset the lack of volumes, leading to a negative operational leverage and inefficiencies related to stop-start costs continuing to weigh on our results. So while reducing costs, we are also shaping the company to be agile, efficient, and well-positioned to benefit from a recovery in the end markets as soon as it materializes. In the meantime, cash preservation is the name of the game.

Our robust balance sheet reflects our disciplined approach, and our cash position provides us with the necessary financial maneuverability in the current economic conditions. Besides the fact that having a decent cash position is simply reassuring. Finally, and to sum it up, we confirm our 2024 midterm guidance. Before handing over to Daniel for financials, let me share a few comments on the quarterly development of our business areas, as shown on slide 5. The chart shows again a sequential increase of e-tools in the second quarter. However, we would not yet call it a recovery, but at least see signs of stabilization. The development of e-mobility in the second quarter must be seen against the backdrop of a very strong performance in the previous year, when supply chain problems in the automotive industry finally were resolved and demand in the end markets was high.

Here again, the sequential evolution reflects a certain stabilization at current levels. The decline in the e-bike business area reflects the ongoing destocking process, which is taking longer and is proving harsher than any industry insider or expert expected. As mentioned, while difficult to judge, we do not expect any further deterioration from current levels. Without providing explicit previews per quarter, our defensive and conservative base assumption would be that we continue to hover at around current levels in the next few quarters. With that, I would like to hand over to Daniel, who will run you through the finances of the first half year of 2024.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Hi. Thanks, Sven, and hello, and good morning to all of you, also from my side. Let me start the review of the financials on slide 6 by looking at the sales and profitability. As mentioned before, the second quarter was similar to what we experienced in the first quarter. Therefore, the overall first half 2024 business performance was in line with our expectations and what we guided for. The e-mobility business area saw a small 3.7% decline to EUR 24.6 million compared to the same period in the previous year, and thereby remained relatively stable despite the tough comps trend highlighted earlier. Demand for EHV was solid, despite weaker demand in the end market.

In the e-tools business area, declined by 20.9% year-over-year to EUR 15.1 million, as power tools could not compensate the weakness in gardening tools, above all on the first quarter of the year. However, this business area experienced another slight sequential improvement and we therefore assume a stabilization at more or less current levels. The e-bike business area saw a decrease of 13.8% to EUR 10.5 million. The environment in the e-bike industry again remained volatile, as destocking is still ongoing in all channels.... However, we assume that we are close to the trough, and hope to see a certain recovery in the second half of the year and forward in 2025. Now, let's move on to the gross profit and gross profit margin as shown in the middle chart on slide six.

The adjusted gross profit decreased to EUR 23.5 million in the first half of 2024. Primarily, lower volumes and production result in negative operational leverage and have introduced inefficiencies characterized by stop-and-start costs, which have again burdened our gross profit margins. These interruptions disrupt workflow continuity, leading to increased operational expenses and reduced profitability. Furthermore, the gross profit margin was also negatively impacted by additional costs related to the ramp-up of a new project. These expenses were primarily associated with the initial process setup and essential training programs. While these costs have impacted our short-term margins, they're critical to ensuring the successful launch and long-term growth of this strategic project that has a duration till 2029. We anticipate that this will taper off in the coming quarters as the project transitions into operational phase.

Lastly, our gross profit margin was also slightly affected by unfavorable product mix within our e-mobility business area. A higher proportion of assembly business during this period has temporarily suppressed the gross profit margin. As a result, the gross profit margin in the first half 2024 reached 46.7%. In absolute terms, the gross profit declined by EUR 6 million year-over-year. Despite our constant efforts to streamline our organization and enhance operational efficiency, the chart that they adjusted, EBITDA on the right side of this slide, shows that our adjusted EBITDA declined in the first six months of the year. Thanks to proactive cost management initiatives, we reduced personnel expenses by EUR 1.8 million. As of end of June 2024, we see a reduction of 137 full-time equivalents in comparison to June last year.

We also achieved a EUR 1.9 million reduction in net operating expenses, of which EUR 800,000 during maintenance, around EUR 300,000 in administration and marketing, and another EUR 300,000 in other personal expenses, things like recruiting costs, continued headhunter fees, and so on. However, still due to lower volumes and related inefficiencies, these savings were not able to overcompensate the loss of gross profit, and the adjusted EBITDA declined from EUR 3 million in the previous year to EUR 0.5 million in the first half of 2024. Please flip to slide seven, which provides overview to our liquidity and balance sheet profile. First and foremost, we just want to remind you that we have successfully concluded the refinancing of the company for the next three years in the course of the second quarter of 2024.

Concluding a three-year refinancing arrangement provides stability and predictability in our financial obligations over the medium term, reducing uncertainty and mitigating the risk of short-term liquidity challenges. The three-year horizon offers strategic flexibility, enabling us to align our financing with long-term business objectives and investment plans while maintaining financial agility. The successful refinancing underscores our commitment to prudent financial management. Our balance sheet remains very robust, with an equity ratio standing at a strong 53.1%. This high equity ratio will provide us necessary flexibility as well in case we pass it under strategic initiatives, while in parallel, it would also help us weathering unforeseen challenges.

Our net debt of only EUR 6.2 million, that includes EUR 8.7 million of leasing liabilities under IFRS 16, is EUR 4 million lower than 12 months ago, which remains at low levels in absolute terms, but also in relative terms, with 1.9x net debt to LTM adjusted EBITDA multiple, reflecting the temporary low performance. And therefore, and before I hand over back to Sven, let me say that cash is still the king, and as such, allow me to emphasize our strong cash position of EUR 21.7 million as of the end of June.

Despite the continuous challenging conditions and further deterioration of the top line in the last 12 months, to avoid any seasonality effect, we managed to reduce our net debt by EUR 4 million from EUR 10.2 million to EUR 6.2 million, with only slight reduction in cash by EUR 1.6 million. Our net working capital from LTM sales significantly improved, decreasing from 13.3% June last year to 9.2% end of June 2024. These improvements reflect our disciplined approach to cash management and our ongoing efforts to optimize working capital, providing us with a good level of maneuverability and thereby security. With that, I hand back to Sven for the outlook and closing remarks.

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

Thanks, Daniel. First and foremost, we reiterate both our 2024 guidance and our midterm targets. Yes, we have challenging times and a tough environment, but our structural and organizational measures pay off, and you can see that in the numbers. We have a solid balance sheet, and this is very reassuring. We need to be patient and stick to our stringent, diligent, and disciplined path. We do not see a major recovery in our business fields yet. However, midterm, we still see significant growth potential and are therefore still very confident about our business model.

As I stated earlier, we confirm our 2024 guidance, which means that we expect group revenues of EUR 100 million-EUR 110 million, an adjusted EBITDA of EUR 1 million-EUR 3 million, and negative free cash flow of between EUR 0 million and EUR -3 million . For the medium term, we anticipate group revenues to range between EUR 150 million and EUR 180 million , largely driven by an expected recovery of our e-bike and e-mobility business. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your attention. I would now like to hand the line back to the operator and to open the Q&A session.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use only the handset while asking a question. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. The first question comes from the line of Tim Versteegh with ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Tim Versteegh
UK Equity Sales, ODDO BHF

Hello, good morning, all. Thanks for joining. I have a question on the inventory development there. Can you say more in-depth on the e-bike? Do you see, let's say, a spot on the horizon? Do you see even more negative developments there over the last weeks? Can you say something about that? That would be fine. Thank you.

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

Yeah, I mean, e-bike, in fact, everybody expected some strong impulse out of the Eurobike, and then the feedback after the Eurobike in Frankfurt was quite gloomy, because people were saying, look, unexpectedly still, due to, again, the very wet weather this year in spring and early summer in Europe, but also the fact that it seems the pipeline completely overfilled in the past still is quite full. So in the end, the question now is: When will it turn around?

I think the one thing we continue to see is that new entrants that in the previous years have not had any volume are now having some volume in 2025, which is not significant, but to us, that is basically the signal that at least some of the manufacturers seem to have exhausted their stocks and are starting to take something in. But it's. I think it's a very diversified picture, and therefore difficult to say, when will the industry overall recover? That's why a lot of feedback out of the Eurobike was sometime in 2025, but whether it's Q2, Q3 or Q4, nobody really knows. I think maybe to add to that, if you know, there have been studies published by McKinsey, for example, that still midterm see a significant growth in this market.

Tim Versteegh
UK Equity Sales, ODDO BHF

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Fabio Hölscher with Warburg Research. Please go ahead.

Fabio Hölscher
Research Analyst, Warburg Research

Good morning, gentlemen. I have several questions. I'll try to take them one by one. First, maybe on e-mobility. How is the slowdown in BEV going to affect your view and your OEM mix in the coming quarters?

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

Yeah, obviously, we see some impact, I think, but it, it's not substantial. Again, I think we believe that also in that segment, we will not see any further declines, but we may see a slower than expected recovery with the new business that's coming in, that in some cases has been moved out, as companies really are sort of reassessing their product portfolio decisions on what product to launch when. I think one thing that went through the press, for example, that has been seen is that Volkswagen has decided to discontinue to produce the Audi Q8 e-tron in the Brussels plant, which originally had been planned to continue at least until the end of next year. So we see some impacts.

I think nonetheless, again, we see this as a slowdown temporarily with a long-term positive effect. And as we always mention as well, e-mobility to us, in many cases, is not the e-drive of an e-vehicle, but it's also full electric systems like braking and steering that will be applied independently on whether it's an electric, a hybrid or even a combustion engine vehicle. But also there, we've seen, you know, slowdowns or delays in projects, but midterm, they won't impact us. But right now, yes, we see some slowdown.

Fabio Hölscher
Research Analyst, Warburg Research

Okay. And then I'm curious, what do you think, what are the takes for e-tools to fully recover? Is time and destocking the deciding factor here as well, like in e-bike, or is it perhaps something else that could, you know, provide uplift?

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

Well, again, I mean, we've seen some stabilization and in our, you know, in Far East, even a slight pickup. I think it's a mix of stocks going down, which is happening to some extent now. But of course, if you look, for example, at the construction industry in Europe right now with a, you know, interest rate increase, we've also seen a slowdown in activity, at least in Germany, of close to 40% on new projects, and that is impacting the tool business. So hopefully, we will see slow recoveries bit by bit, but not at a fast pace.

Fabio Hölscher
Research Analyst, Warburg Research

Okay. And then on cash flow, I noticed an almost flat investing cash flow after H1 due to asset disposals almost in the amount of CapEx. Can you maybe give some color on the disposals and how you expect investing cash flow to move in the full year? Thank you.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Yeah, I mean, we have also mentioned it also in the previous call. At the end of the day, we are fully aware that cash remains to be the main factor that will allow us to-

... ramp up the business once the markets will recover, and therefore, we continue to monitor it very closely. So all the CapEx requests that we receive or all the CapEx requests that are raised in the group are at the end landing either on Sven's table or my table, or on both of us, and we are approving that. And we see that it brings us to the right results at the end of the day, and we will be reaching the guidance through the year, probably on the lower side of it, yeah, closer to 0 than to -3.

Also in the first half of the year, we have sold some few assets that we considered that we will not need them in the near future and not in the mid-term future, and therefore, it had also a positive impact on our cash flow. But this positive impact was also foreseen when we provided the original guidance at the beginning of the year.

Fabio Hölscher
Research Analyst, Warburg Research

Okay, and then, lastly, a broader question. Given how cyclical and dependent on discretionary spend your industries are, I mean, you've been, you've been suffering from these effects for almost two years now. Wouldn't it make sense to sort of strategically expand into other, perhaps more defensive industries? I'm sure this isn't something that can be done overnight. You've probably given it some thought already, so if you could share that, please. Thank you.

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

Yeah, I think, honestly, we looked at that already at the end of last year. I think in the end, we are looking at other industries, for example, especially if we look at industrial applications, we have some projects that are running there. Also one that came in that is small, but is basically just giving us some experience. I think the key question is, what industries do we go into? And we've clearly made a decision for the time being, also in view of preserving cash and investment, that, for example, entering something like the aerospace industry or medical, where we are not known, and we actually even lack that specific certification, would probably take a year, a year and a half of effort, would cost at least EUR 500,000-EUR 750,000 to implement.

That's where we believe, you know, the fruits are hanging lower in the existing industries and industrial than in trying to enter a business that would provide a far bigger hurdle. And normally I would say that, you know, the mix between tool, auto, and bike, they typically don't all go down at the same time. I think this is the first time we've seen that to that extent, especially as we say, that we normally in, on automotive, are involved more at the high end of the business, which is typically resilient to changes. But there has been more, yeah, I think a sort of reassessment within the industry rather than an end consumer assessment that is causing some of the projects to be moved or slowed down.

So again, open eyes, but not with a focus on now taking a bigger hurdle on completely new industries.

Fabio Hölscher
Research Analyst, Warburg Research

All right, I understand. Thanks, and, all the best.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Christian Glowa with Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking. Please go ahead.

Christian Glowa
Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

Yeah, hi, good morning, Christian Glowa from Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking. Good morning. Sven, good morning, Daniel. My first question is also related to the last one asked, maybe again, it's about product, new product innovations. And to make it more specific, I think you were already kind of doing prototypes or at least making some offer for serious production when it comes to brake-by-wire. Can you give us an update on that, on these projects? Is there anything near term which might ramp up?

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

Yes. I think in the end, honestly, again, long-term perspective of these kind of products is substantial. What we have seen also here is that the launch of some of these products has been delayed and also the volume taken down as, for example, in one case, it was the launch partner for our customer was an electric vehicle manufacturer. So in the end, that doesn't take away the long-term perspective, but sadly, that's taking... You know, slowing down the ramp up. I think that could change tomorrow because they may now look for new partners to launch these products with.

We are, yeah, spending a lot of time, and we're doing a lot of investments, and I think we still see the potential, but sadly, with the current reassessment within the industry, that's slowed down.

Christian Glowa
Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

All right. And then my last question would be, for Daniel on the refinancing. Can you share a bit about the conditions and potential bank covenants you have agreed on?

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Sure. The conditions are market conditions, so it's EURIBOR plus a margin, which is fixed for the whole period. And with the new financing, we have no covenants, as we have provided some fixed assets in Germany and collateral holding agreement.

Christian Glowa
Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

All right. Thank you very much.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Alex Nieberding, with Nieberding Family Office. Please go ahead.

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

Yes, hi, good morning. I have questions for both Sven and Daniel. I'll start with Sven. As a follow-up to one of the previous questions, you were discussing potential catalysts for the recovery of the e-bike business, and you mentioned that the sales have been depressed by wet weather in the spring and the summer, and obviously, the inventory-

... is still destocking. Are there any other significant catalysts that could help boost the sales of the e-bike business? Something in the macro area, economic recovery? How would you respond to that?

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

I mean, I would say, obviously, consumer confidence right now or consumer hesitation is still out there, you know? I mean, we've got two wars going on or potentially two wars, so people basically are hesitant on the discretionary spend. I think what we've seen last year, and possibly this year, is people have moved away a little bit from things like bikes and moved into travel. You know, so that is something that, you know, has moved it from our markets to others. Interesting fact that somebody told us actually the other day in a discussion: every year in Europe, when there is a football championship, European football championships, typically the e-bike industry declines by 5%-8% because people sit in front of the TV rather than cycling.

So that, that hopefully will be something that moves. But again, the biggest impact going forward is still gonna be, number one, I think the infrastructure measures that a lot of countries are taking right now, especially in cities, which I personally see, for example, in Düsseldorf, where a huge increase in dedicated bicycle lanes, you know, traffic lights that basically give priority to bicycles. You know, changing that infrastructure to really incentivize the use of bicycles will have a significant impact. I think that's why if you look at the publication that McKinsey did a few weeks back, they basically still predict in midterm, in the next five to seven years, a 360% increase in this business, which, of course, would be massive. So that's why I think in the end, we still believe in it.

I think the one thing that is baffling to everybody is the stock that still seems to be out there for a substantial portion of the business. But yes, we do hope that throughout the next 12 months, that will finally disappear, and that alone will give us, you know, the opportunity to grow somewhere probably between 20% and 30% at some point when retail sales match the supplies that we do into the business.

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

Okay, thank you. I was reading feedback coming out of Eurobike, and one of the interesting things regarding hGears is that Bosch is feeling a lot of pressure from competition in the drive segment. There are new suppliers coming up with competitive products. They mentioned DJI and ZF. My question for you is to what extent your sales force is encouraged to diversify the customer base? To what extent are you able, given it, to diversify the customer base? And is it a priority? And if not, why not?

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

No, it is clearly a priority. I think we've mentioned that sometimes in previous calls. We've onboarded at least another five manufacturers, I believe, since I joined. The big issue they have at the moment is that a lot of these companies try to work with smaller manufacturers at the beginning, and in the end, in the last 12-24 months, basically, bike manufacturers have decided to stick with what they have, because typically changing the supplier means changing frame design, and there are so many old frames left that they're basically not able to switch over to the new supplier.

But we are working in total with eight kinds of bicycle drive manufacturers that also address different segments, because one thing we will clearly see is a segmentation in this business on a very low power, for example, for a city bike, to, of course, things like mountain bikes with higher performance or even more on the cargo bikes. So I mean, there are, for example, manufacturers out there today that come up with concepts that don't have a drivetrain, where you really, on the pedals, more or less generate the power that then basically, you know, is driving a motor on the wheel. That will allow a much better architecture for things like cargo bikes, and we are working also with customers like that.

Very clearly, we believe that while, you know, our main customer in that business continues to be significant for us, and we are their sole supplier on key components for their new generation, you know, performance bike, we very clearly are diversifying in that area.

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

Okay. That's good to hear. Thank you. Questions for Daniel. Hi, Daniel. If I heard you correctly, you mentioned that the leverage was 1.5 times, but in the presentation, it's 1.9. I probably just misheard you. So is the presentation correct at 1.9?

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Correct.

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

Okay. In a way, it's a moot point now because the excellent question we had just before this revealed that there are no more financial covenants under the terms of the refinancing. So I congratulate you for the refinancing. That was probably a very important step.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Yeah.

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

Could you perhaps provide a little bit of color on the comment that you've negotiated a three-year term in order to retain strategic flexibility?

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Well, I think in the end, I'd say that in situations like this, what you do see is a certain hesitation. I mean, a few years back, banks were beating the door down trying to give you money for this business. That's changed somewhat, especially if you look at, you know, the issues that the bicycle industry has had in the last 12-24 months. So I think seeing this, it was a very good decision that Daniel made to enter very early into discussions with potential new financing partners and to make sure that we then are covered for three years.

In order to not be dependent on a recovery that happens within the next 6 months or 12 months, but to really be able to say, "Look, we, we control the business to make sure that we, we stay on a, on a at least zero, you know, cash flow, and at the same time, we have a financing that allows us to continue at that level until markets come back.

Tim Versteegh
UK Equity Sales, ODDO BHF

Okay.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

And then we can take options-

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

I understand.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

What do we do for that?

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

I understand. You mentioned that it's a Euribor plus a fixed rate, which sounds like a floating rate, because, of course, Euribor is floating. Given the likelihood, I mean, ECB has already start cutting rates on the euro. I don't have a crystal ball at home, but it's possible that the rates are coming down. Are you planning to hedge that, or is it partially hedged? Your interest rate exposure is what I'm referring to.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

No, at the end of the day, we haven't hedged that yet, and if the Euribor is going down, then-

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

Yeah

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

I would assume that there is no point to hedge it as well.

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

Yeah. Okay.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

If I may also add to what Sven said before about the refinancing. I mean, one of the decisions that we have made is basically to decentralize the financing. In the previous agreement that we had, we had basically the financing ran at the hGears AG, which is, of course, the mother company, the listed company. And the mother company provided the financing to the production plant for their investment plans and so on.

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

Right.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

And now what we tried to do is also due to a different situation with the financing institutes between Germany and Italy, is we basically decentralized it and brought it down to the operational entity, also to take care for the financing, and that's one of the reasons why we were able to secure it without any covenants and for a longer period of time, yeah? So at the end, it was a decision that we made here to make sure that we have enough flexibility in the next couple of years, in the next three years, to make sure that we, when the markets recover, we have enough liquidity to ramp it up.

Sven Arend
Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, hGears AG

To be honest, let's face it, when you do it local, it gets the local entities to take more responsibility for their own decisions. They are more prudent to take any investment decisions and whatever, if it's really something that is in their ball. Of course, we support it, not coordinate it, but I think from a management point of view, it was the right decision also from that point of view.

Alex Nieberding
Analyst, Nieberding Family Office

Okay, makes sense. Thank you very much.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Thank you.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star and one on your telephone. For any further questions, please press star and one on your telephone. Mr. Weiz, gentlemen, there are no more questions registered at this time.

Christian Weiz
Head of Investor Relations, hGears AG

All right, if there are no more questions, then thanks, everybody, for joining the call. Yeah, and talk to you soon, either individual discussions or the next earnings call.

Daniel Basok
Director of Finance and CFO, hGears AG

Also from my side, and have a good summer break. Thank you, everybody.

Operator

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