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Earnings Call: Q2 2025

Aug 7, 2025

Operator

Dear ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the SAF-Holland SE H1 2025 results. Today's presenters are CEO Alexander Geis and CFO Frank Lorenz-Dietz. The presentation slides are available on the SAF-Holland corporate website. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. Please note this conference call will be recorded and published on the corporate website of SAF-Holland SE. Everything spoken through the unmuted microphone will be processed during the online meeting and published on the website of SAF-Holland SE. If a participant does not wish to be recorded, they should refrain from participating in the Q&A session and keep the microphone muted. The Q&A session is exclusively for institutional investors and analysts. All other participants of the conference call are kindly asked to contact the investor relations team directly if they have any questions. Mr. Geis, the floor is yours.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our conference call on our Q2 2025 results. This is Alexander Geis speaking, and please let me begin with the Q2 2025 financial highlights on page three. The past quarter was characterized by continued weak end markets. In figures, this means that our group sales fell organically by 11.7%, which was partially offset by acquisition-related effects and ultimately reached EUR 442.2 million, which is around 13% below the prior year. Nevertheless, despite much weaker OE market environments and additional tariff-related costs, we were able to maintain a solid profitability of 9.1%, while the adjusted EBITDA margin amounted to 12.8%. Operating free cash flow amounted to EUR 0.9 million due to the lower top-line development and higher working capital needs, also linked to tariff uncertainties.

Leverage increased to 2.4 times due to the cash outflow of the dividend payment, M&A, and additional lease liabilities for our new Texas plant in Rowland. While order intake in Europe continues to improve, the North American market remains soft and also continues to affect our business in the APAC region. As communicated last week, we have adjusted our full year 2025 outlook accordingly. Let me continue with the group sales and adjusted EBIT development on page four. Group sales in the second quarter of 2025 continue to be impacted by muted commercial vehicle markets in all three regions. Especially the North American, as well as the Asian OE markets, were affected by the uncertainty caused by the trade policy discussions, especially post the U.S. Liberation Day in April.

Accordingly, OE sales were 16.2% below the previous year's level, which ultimately resulted in an organic sales decline of 11.7% year over year in Q2. Moreover, FX effects caused group sales to decline by 2.7%. In contrast, acquisition-related sales from Assali- Stefen contributed a high single-digit EUR million amount to top-line. Sales in the second quarter declined by 12.8%. In the first half-year, it was therefore 11.9% below the previous year, while group sales declined organically by 12.8%. Between April and June, adjusted EBIT was impacted by additional tariff-related costs in the mid-single-digit million euro range, which we aimed to offset as much as possible until year-end. Additionally, the profitability was impacted by a higher level of depreciation and amortization. Hence, adjusted EBIT decreased by 25.7% compared to the previous year's level, resulting in an adjusted EBIT margin of 9.1%.

However, keep in mind that profitability in the prior years strongly benefited from special sales campaigns in the aftermarket segment in EMEA and Americas. Overall, during the first six months of the year, the adjusted EBIT amounted to EUR 83 million and resulted in a solid margin of 9.3% of sales. The adjusted EBITDA margin reached almost the prior year level and amounted to 13.1%. Moving on to the sales split by region and customer category on page five, please. The overall distribution of group sales by region and customer segment was strongly influenced by the investment hesitation of truck and trailer customers in North America and Asia. Accordingly, the EMEA region performed in comparison stronger and achieved a sales share of just over 50%, also due to the acquisition-related sales effect of Assali- Stefen. The Americas region, in turn, contributed 38.4% to group sales.

Moreover, due to the soft demand in the APAC region, the APAC share decreased to 11.1%. Now, looking at the split by customer groups in Q2. Sales in the OE business declined by 16.2% year over year to EUR 261.8 million. This decrease was driven by the previously mentioned weakness in global CV markets. Accordingly, the trailer OE segment accounted for 47% of the second quarter sales, representing a decrease of 1.5 percentage points. The truck OE segment, of which a large portion comes from the Americas region, was negatively affected by uncertainties surrounding the U.S. trade policy. In contrast, sales in the aftermarket business declined by only 7.2% to now EUR 180.6 million. Also here, please keep in mind that the prior year benefited from special sales campaigns, and it continues to be a resilient pillar of the SAF-Holland business model.

As a result, the aftermarket business accounted for 40.8% of our sales. Next page, please, to speak about the EMEA region. As you can see, top-line development in the EMEA region in Q2 remained subdued due to the ongoing softness in the trailer market, which is estimated to have declined between 10%- 15% year over year. As a result, sales decreased organically by 8.4% in Q2. Despite this, the aftermarket business remained robust, although it did not reach the strong level of the previous year. For the first half of 2025, total sales were 7.5% below the prior year level, including an organic decline of 12.3%. Looking ahead, we continue to observe a slight improvement in order intake for both truck and especially trailer segments, an expected trend to continue, which should provide a solid foundation for the second half of 2025.

Looking at the EMEA earnings, due to the lower top-line development and despite strict cost discipline, the adjusted EBIT margin declined to 7.9% compared to a strong Q2 2024 that benefited from higher margin aftermarket sales. As a result, profitability in the first half-year amounted to 7.7% and includes a one-time FX valuation effect from Q1. Let's speak about, on the next page, Americas. In addition to the cyclical downturn in the North American commercial vehicle market, demand for both truck and trailer was further dampened by the uncertainties caused by the U.S. trade policy. In contrast, the aftermarket business remained robust and resilient. As a result, organic sales in the second quarter declined by 13.3% year over year. Furthermore, negative currency effects reduced sales by an additional 5.3% year over year.

Overall, second quarter sales in the Americas region were 18.5% below the previous year, leading to a 14.7% decline for the first six months of 2025. In addition to the decline in earnings caused by lower top-line in the second quarter, we incurred additional costs related to the U.S. tariff issue, amounting to a mid-single-digit million euro figure. As a result, adjusted EBIT therefore decreased by 31.7% compared to the previous year, leading to a still solid double-digit adjusted EBIT margin of 10.2%. Despite the challenging market environment, this marks the 10th consecutive quarter in which we achieved our strategic target of maintaining a double-digit margin in Americas. Looking ahead, we expect that the additional tariff-related costs on the procurement side can be largely compensated. For the first half of 2025, the adjusted EBIT amounted to EUR 37.5 million, which equals a margin of 10.8%.

Last but not least, coming to the APAC region on page number eight, the market momentum in the APAC region remained muted in most of the countries, partially due to investment hesitation in the course of the discussions of the U.S. tariff policy, and especially in Southeast Asian countries like Vietnam and Thailand, they paused their trailer activities for the U.S. market. Moreover, the Indian trailer market remained soft due to the paused economic expectations, also difficult financing conditions for fleet operators and trailer manufacturers, as well as continued weak mining business in complete Asia. Accordingly, sales in the second quarter of 2025 amounted to EUR 49.2 million and were 24.3% below the previous year, which means an organic decline of 18.4%. Moreover, here, negative currency effects reduced sales by 5.9% year over year.

Looking at the bottom line, the decline in earnings was mainly driven by a lower top-line in higher margin markets such as India and Australia. Despite ongoing market softness and uncertainties related to tariffs, we achieved a solid profitability level of 10.8%, marking also the 10th consecutive quarter with a double-digit adjusted EBIT margin in the APAC region. Overall, we closed the first half-year with an adjusted EBIT margin of 11.1%. Having said this, I hand over to Frank for the key financials in Q2.

Frank Lorenz-Dietz
Member of the Management Board and CFO, SAF-Holland SE

Yeah, thank you, Alex, and hello to everybody on the line. As usual, let me start with a short overview on the EBIT to adjusted EBIT reconciliation for the group on page 10. As previously mentioned, our reported EBIT for the second quarter of 2025 declined by 25.6% to EUR 34.5 million, primarily due to a lower top-line and additional tariff-related expenses. Total adjustments for restructuring and transaction costs amounted to just EUR 0.2 million, which is mainly related to integration expenses from recent acquisitions. Depreciation and amortization from purchase price allocations were, as usual, adjusted accordingly, and in total, EUR 5.6 million. Consequently, adjusted EBIT fell proportionally, resulting in an adjusted EBIT margin of 9.1% for the second quarter of 2025. Despite the additional burden from tariff-related costs, the adjusted EBITDA margin for the first half of 2025 nearly reached the prior year level with 13.1%.

Moving on to page 11, here you see the bridge from EBIT to basic earnings per share. As mentioned earlier, reported EBIT amounted to EUR 34.5 million for the second quarter of 2025. Within the finance results, the interest expense reduced due to improved financing structure, overall debt reduction, and in general, lower interest rates. This was offset again by unrealized foreign exchange rate effects, as in Q1, mainly due to the weaker U.S. dollar against the euro. While this presented a temporary headwind, these are non-cash effects that may reverse in future periods, and I will provide you a more detailed explanation on the next page. In addition, income taxes declined in line with our top-line development, but were adversely affected by non-capitalized deferred tax assets on interest and loss carryforwards.

As a result, the overall tax rate stood at 38.9% for the second quarter and 36.8% for the first half of the year. Overall, reported EPS was negatively affected by both the weaker top-line and the unfavorable currency developments. Moving on to a more detailed view on the financial result on page 12. The financial result for the second quarter amounted to minus EUR 17 million and benefited from a significant reduction of interest expenses of approximately 28% compared to the prior year. This positive development was mainly driven by a general decrease in the average interest rate, improved refinancing conditions, as well as a slight reduction in gross financial debt despite recent M&A activities. However, the continued weakness of the U.S. dollar related to the euro led to negative unrealized foreign exchange rate effects, primarily on intercompany loans. The U.S.

dollar alone accounted for an unrealized FX effect of minus EUR 8 million in the second quarter of 2025. Additionally, other currencies contributed to a further negative impact of around EUR 0.7 million. As announced during the Q1 call, we have initiated several mitigation measures to reduce the impact on these fluctuations and aim to complete the implementation until year-end. The first positive effects are already reflected in the Q2 financial result. That said, we recognize that these currency issues negatively affect our underlying profit for the period. Therefore, we will make the following adjustment to our future dividend calculation. I'm on slide 13.

We are going to adjust the profit relevant for distribution under our dividend policy to the extent that the available profit will be adjusted by unrealized exchange rate effects in the financial result and its related tax effect based on the overall group tax rate of the relevant period. To say it pretty clear, the payout ratio remains unchanged at 40%- 50% of the distribution relevant available result for the period. On this slide, we provide an exemplified calculation on the potential impact based on half-year numbers. With that new calculation, the distribution relevant EPS changes from EUR 0.50 per share to EUR 0.77 per share and reflects a reasonable base for dividend calculation. Moving to page 14, where you see the development of the equity ratio.

Compared to the year-end 2024, equity decreased by 11.8%, respectively EUR 62.4 million-EUR 464.7 million, despite the result for the period due to the dividend payment of around EUR 39 million, as well as negative FX valuation effects amounting to around EUR 36 million. Since the balance sheet total declined by only 2.2%, the equity ratio declined to 27.7%. As communicated already in past presentations, our internal target related to equity ratio remains higher than 30%. With our solid profit-generating business case, we will reach this again in due time. Turning to page 15, I would like to speak about networking capital development. Networking capital at the end of June 2025 was impacted by several effects. As long as the OE business remains weak, the aftermarket business, with its generally higher inventory requirements, will remain relatively strong.

Furthermore, we were trying to maintain higher stocks in markets where we expect short-term opportunities in order to be able to react quickly if chances arise. In addition to the seasonal-driven increase of inventory between December and June, we adjusted our working capital levels as a precautionary measure due to uncertain trade policy. As a result, working capital increased by 9.9% to EUR 320 million compared to the end of December and included factoring in the amount of EUR 40 million. As a result, working capital ratio stood at 18.2% of sales, also reflecting the overall top-line development. Now, let me address the cash flow development on page 16.

The net cash flow from operating activities in the first half-year amounted to EUR 30.5 million and was impacted by the market-driven decline in EBITDA as well as by working capital developments, as just explained earlier, and its comparatively higher cash outflow compared to the prior year. Paid income taxes declined, reflecting the lower top-line development in previous periods. Moreover, investment in property, plant and equipment, and intangible assets totaled EUR 22.2 million, equivalent with 2.5% of sales. These investments were primarily directed toward further automation and modernization of production processes, preparations for the new plant in Rowland, Texas, and capacity expansions for ADB and fifth wheels at the Dutche site in Turkey. Overall, we achieved a solid positive operating free cash flow of EUR 9.1 million in the first half-year, with room for further improvement in the upcoming quarters. Moving on to an overview of the leverage development on page 17.

The net debt to EBITDA ratio rose to 2.4 times at the end of June. This increase was primarily driven by a rise in net debt, including almost EUR 20 million in lease liabilities, mainly related to the new Rowland factory, which is scheduled to open in the coming months. In addition, net debt increased due to a lower cash position resulting from various payment obligations, most notably the dividend payment and the acquisition of the remaining 40% share of the Haldex India joint venture. EBITDA also fell to EUR 235.3 million, reflecting lower sales due to current market conditions. However, based on further improvements on working capital, as well as potential business recovery in EMEA and APAC, we target to improve leverage stepwise in the upcoming quarters, as our leverage should be below two times. Now, also, let's take a quick look at the maturity chart on page 18.

With the successful placement of a strongly oversubscribed promissory note loan, which attracted demand more than twice the offering volume and secured interest rates at the lower end of the marketing range, we are now in a position to fully redeem the tranches maturing 2025 and 2026, as well as repay the outstanding drawdown of the revolving credit facility. In total, the transaction generated proceeds of EUR 330 million. This strengthens our maturity profile and positions us well for future M&A opportunities. Having said that, back to you, Alex, for the outlook and closing remarks.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

Thank you, Frank. I'm on page 20, showing the full year 2025 forecast for the trailer and truck markets. During the first half of the year, the truck and trailer markets have been impacted by investment hesitancy due to the ongoing uncertainty surrounding the U.S. tariff policy, especially in North America, but also in Asia. Accordingly, we currently anticipate both the truck and trailer markets in North America to be 20%- 30% below the previous year's level. Following a strong performance in 2024, the Brazilian trailer market developed weaker during the first half of 2025 and is expected to remain soft. We now forecast a decline of 10%- 20%. However, our strong focus on steering axles and trailers equipped with such components means we are less affected by that general market development.

For the Brazilian truck market, we revised our outlook downward, expecting a decline in the range of -5% to -10%. In contrast, in China, the commercial vehicle markets have regained positive momentum. We now expect a stable or moderately growing development for 2025. Our outlook for the Indian trailer market remains unchanged, with an expected development in the range of 0% to -5% compared to 2024. However, we expect a recovery towards the end of the year. Our market expectations for EMEA remain unchanged. In EMEA, we saw a positive order momentum in both truck and trailer and expect continued demand in the second half of the year. Overall, as you have seen last week, these expectations led us to adjust our 2025 guidance, which brings me to slide number 21.

In light of the market developments outlined before, we have revised our group sales guidance and now expect group sales of around EUR 1.8 billion and expect a positive impact from the recently announced order to supply swivel axles for military transport equipment and improving momentum in Europe and towards year-end, also in APAC. Furthermore, due to the weaker performance in our high margin regions, Americas and APAC, and the higher relative contribution of the EMEA region to adjusted EBIT, we have also revised our forecast for the adjusted EBIT margin, which is now expected to be around 9.3%. Last but not least, the CapEx guidance remains unchanged at up to 3% of group sales. Ladies and gentlemen, let me conclude the presentations with some key takeaways on page 22.

The uncertain global trade policy environment weighed on our top-line performance year to date, which is evident in North America and Asia, where market conditions for trucks and trailers were impacted negatively. Unfortunately, these external uncertainties continue to cloud visibility and undermine the market outlook for the remainder of the year. On a more positive note, excluding additional tariff-related costs, our underlying profitability developed solidly, which underscores the strengths of our operational fundamentals, even in a volatile external environment, and we are going to largely compensate these additional costs until year-end. Despite lower absolute earnings, we achieved a positive operating free cash flow and remain focused on further optimizing our network and capital management in the coming months. Looking ahead, we expect credible positive momentum in Europe and India to contribute to a more favorable second half.

In addition, our aftermarket business continues to perform robustly and will remain a key stabilizing pillar of our performance in the coming quarters. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the presentation, and now we can start with your questions.

Operator

Thank you very much. Dear ladies and gentlemen, please press nine and the star key on your telephone keypad now to enter the queue. I repeat, the combination to raise a question is nine and star. If you wish to cancel your question again, please press three and then the star key. For now, please press nine star. There are a couple of questions incoming. The first question comes from Nikolai Kempf of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Nicolai Kempf
Director of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Yeah, good morning. It's Nikolai from Deutsche Bank. Thank you for taking my question. A couple, and maybe I take them one by one. The first one, you've stated that you expect the leverage to be again below 2x. Is this going to happen until the end of the year?

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

No. The leverage of 2.4 is the FTS lease. As mentioned, the Rowland topic was EUR 20 million lease liability. In addition, the work on improvement on working capital and net debt, and it will take some quarters to improve below two, but it remains our target.

Nicolai Kempf
Director of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Okay, understood. The second one would be on the guidance, which basically implies that H2 will be a bit stronger. I think it's 2% versus H1. You said that Europe is improving, APAC is improving. I just want to make sure that these two regions are enough to offset the very soft markets in North America.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

Yeah, Nikolai, you're totally right. We are totally unhappy with the development of the market in the U.S. Still, Canada and Mexico are doing good. South America also for us. It's basically just the U.S., which is our biggest CV market, and there it's also the truck business, which is unfortunately getting softer. I can tell you that the order intakes specifically for axles, but also for fifth wheels on the truck side for Europe, is getting much better. Basically, we shifted. We are fully booked here in Wesenbach with two-shift operation now. We shifted already a lot of orders to our Turkish plant, which is also booked now in two shifts, which is good. We have to bring all the material out. Europe alone will compensate the North American or U.S. decline. Also, from Australia, we see positive signals in the mining there.

Southeast Asia is getting slightly better, and India is our biggest market from a sales perspective. We are waiting for the monsoon to be over, so late Q3 and beginning of Q4. Here we got the hit specifically due to the U.S. tariff situation. Internally in India, the market is okay, but we also did a lot of export business, as I outlined before, to customers in Southeast Asia like Vietnam, like Thailand. They were manufacturing trailers for the U.S. market, and they have now duties of 46%. This stopped rapidly in India, and we have to get the market back specifically in India. This then overcompensates the losses in North America. The positive signal is order intake here in Europe, which continues. We are fully booked until October now, which is okay.

Nicolai Kempf
Director of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Understood. My last question is also again on the guidance. Basically, I am a bit wondering why your guidance is narrow. Last year you had to adjust the guidance three times. Now we also adjust the guidance, and it's August. There's still a couple of months to go, and with this new U.S. administration, everything seems possible. I'm wondering why are you going so narrow and why didn't you consider a wider band of guidance here? Thank you.

Frank Lorenz-Dietz
Member of the Management Board and CFO, SAF-Holland SE

I think this is a bit of a philosophic question. We are in July. We have now basically seven months in the books. A guidance taking sales of EUR 1.8 billion is reflecting a range from EUR 1.75 billion-EUR 1.85 billion. This is the $100 million range. I think this is a quite solid guidance. Doing it in a broader range, one could do this, but then the question is if we have any idea how our business is developing. For sure, there is always in every guidance where it's a risk, and the market uncertainty this year is higher in terms of FX development, in terms of whatever happens in tariff restrictions and so on. Assuming to continue the year as it was running so far, I'm feeling quite good with this way of guiding our business.

Nicolai Kempf
Director of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. Moving on to the next question. The next question comes from Yasmin Steilen of Berenberg. Please, the floor is yours.

Yasmin Steilen
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Good morning. Many thanks also for taking my questions. I have three of me, and I will also take them one by one. The first one on the business environment in the U.S. We have further cut your volume forecast for North America for the truck and the trailer industry. Can you share any early indications on the current trading? Have the OEMs extended the summer holidays, or are there indications that they will do so? Might there be the requirement for you also to reduce the shifts in the second half in the U.S.? That's my first question.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

Hello, Yasmin. This is Alex. I'm going to answer your question. There is only one reason. This is the President of the U.S. He's shaking the whole world, but also the U.S. I was traveling heavily in the U.S. this year, also in the second quarter, and spoke to a lot of trailer manufacturers, but also truck manufacturers. Ultimately, to fleet operators, they have a lot of cash. They are willing to invest. They have to invest because after two years of a decline in the market, specifically in the trailer market, they would like to renew the fleet, but they want a solid foundation of making decisions. At the moment, they have no clue how it looks in the next four weeks because the tariff policy changes overnight, every day. They cannot count on the fundaments of their decision-making.

This is basically the saying of nine out of 10 fleet operators. They're saying we need to invest, we'd like to renew the fleet, we have the cash, we are ready to go, but we don't know how it looks the next month. This is basically a very uncertainty, a lot of uncertainties for these guys. I hope that in the following weeks and months, the whole tariff discussions with all major countries in the world will be fixed, also with the EU, with India, with all the other big suppliers to the U.S. Then you can make up your calculations, and from there, we expect the orders to come in. Nothing to do with pausing and not, or the truck manufacturers not building anything. It's the fleet operators who make the ultimate decision, and they are just waiting to have the basis of making the decisions right.

Yasmin Steilen
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Okay. There may be a saying in the U.S. on the truck disc brakes business. During your capital markets in March, you have mentioned that SAF received the certification by two U.S. truck OEMs. Besides the business you are already generating with the Scandinavian truck OEM, can you provide more color on the development and if or when we can expect additional sales from truck disc brakes to come?

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

We already have a little bit of additional disc brake truck business in the United States. As I said, we started now to be specced in the spec books of the truck manufacturers, but not of all the truck manufacturers. The team is working heavily on also getting the specs in the books for the remaining truck manufacturers, specifically with the big ones. As I said, the teams are working on that. This will not happen overnight because this is a like three to four-year journey. We already started last year. We see first positive signs, and also here we would like to offer a fleet spec.

Basically, we go to the fleets, we convince them our brakes are lighter, they're better, availability for rear axles in the trailer, but also the front axles in the trucks would be the same or nearly the same, or some components will be the same. They would have a benefit. They are available, and we are working on this heavily.

Yasmin Steilen
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Okay. The next one on your military order, you have announced just earlier this week. How should we think about the profitability of the OE business, and could you also talk a little bit about the competition in this segment?

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

We would not speak about profitability of single orders, of course, but as most of you might know, military contracts come with a slightly higher profitability than the normal business. Also, speaking of swivel axles, that's a very special heavy-duty application. They typically come with also a higher profitability. It's pretty good that we do that. We are going to start supplying in the last quarter of this year until at least middle of next year. We are also working on some more tenders for the same customer, but also for customers in Europe. There are a couple of tenders out and to be out very soon where the different countries in Western Europe are demanding the transportation or the transportation builders of heavy-duty military trailers to quote. They are out, and I expect specifically in 2026 that more are coming.

Also, not only in the high seven single-digit region, but also in the little bit higher, so eight-digit region, there are some more tenders coming out, and we are ready for this. We have the capacity. We can build them here in SAF, but also can build them in the TECMA production facility in Italy. There's so much more to come. We are working aggressively on getting those tenders.

Yasmin Steilen
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

With whom are you competing on these tenders? Are these the usual suspects, or are there also some special companies involved in this?

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

There are only a few companies who can manufacture those specialties on the U.S. side. Basically, there is none. Because we are specced and on the European side, there's only like two or three.

Yasmin Steilen
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Okay. Many thanks. All very clear. I'll step back into the line.

Operator

Thank you very much. Dear ladies and gentlemen, just a short reminder. To state a question, please press nine and the star key. We are moving on. The next question is from Jorge Gonzalez Sadurní of Hauck & Aufhäuser . Please say over to you.

Jorge González Sadurní
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

Good morning, Alex and Frank. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one is around the guidance. I would like to follow up on the question that Nikolai already did. Trying to understand the midpoint or this guidance of around EUR 1.8 billion, can you share with us what are your assumptions, for instance, in North America for truck and trailer? I see in your slide 20, I think now the ranges that you are providing are quite conservative, taking into account the data that other OEs and other companies in the set of providers, like Knorr-Bremse and other truck manufacturers, provide. I would like to understand if this EUR 1.8 billion is basically taking into account the worst of this new range, the midpoint of the new range, if it is possible. That would be my first question, please.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

If we had said, we exactly will hit the EUR 1.8 billion, EUR 1.8 billion is just the middle we did in our new range. To be honest, we don't know how the U.S. will develop. This is all depending on the tariff situation. We got so much shaking in the second quarter in the U.S. We also got hit when we imported some components from areas where the U.S. put some tariffs on, starting from April 1st. I told you that is in the middle of a—it's basically EUR 4 million- EUR 5 million where we got the hit with the tariff situation. We also supplied to OE manufacturers, both trailer and truck. We have to pass it on, but you cannot do that within one day. We are in discussions with some. We already found agreements with some. We are still in discussions.

As I said before, we would like to get the margins back. Our burden we got from the tariffs in the second quarter within Q3, latest Q4. We're working on that. ACT currently is around 25% minus for both truck and trailer. This is why we said - 20% to - 30%. ACT is - 25% in both in average. It all depends, as I said, on the tariff situation and how quickly the U.S. administration is finalizing the tariffs with the major import countries or supplying countries. Then our customers, which are the fleets, will restart immediately with ordering new trucks and trailers.

Jorge González Sadurní
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

Okay. Thank you for the color. My thought here is that with such a low comparable, the second part of last year, you are more cautious also because of the FX. You are not, I mean, as negative, but as, for instance, ACT, especially for trailer. I think I know truck is completely impossible to predict now. In terms of trailer, we are not at already really low levels of production because to me, 20%- 30%, taking into account the levels of last year, it sounds like you can go on holiday at this point, no, already. It's really low levels, taking into account the numbers of other players. It has to do with maybe also a better development from your side last year in the second part of the year compared to the market.

Do you have any higher impact than other players because of your high exposure to this break or has nothing to do? It's just to be on the safe side.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

We always would like to be on the safe side, as you know us. We're a little bit on the conservative side. Please keep in mind that we have a relatively high aftermarket share of sales in the Americas. That share is a little bit higher than we have it in Europe versus OE due to the Haldex base sales we have in the aftermarket and also our remain business in the United States with three dedicated plants doing so. Yes, we are dependent on the trailer market in North America. If you see, aftermarket is the biggest contributor, then we have the truck business and then the trailer business. Trailer is really bad at the moment. Nobody is buying anything. Container shuttles is down by 95%. As I said before, I repeat myself now the third time, everybody's waiting on decisions by the U.S.

government, and then they can do their planning, and then they can reorder. They have to reorder because the trailer market is down now for nearly two years. Everybody needs to reinvest, as they have to reinvest in Europe, because the peak was in 2022. 2023 was okay. 2024 was not a good year. 2025 so far, the first half year was also not good. This is why we see now a big increase in orders for trailer OE here in Europe, but also in Turkey. We shifted a lot to Turkey. For North America, we never had an impact like this coming from the tariffs. We will see. We are cautious. If it's getting better, let's say in Q3, and then in Q4, it would be even better for us. The dominant sales contribution comes from the aftermarket in Americas first, which is very stable.

Jorge González Sadurní
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

Thank you for that. Taking your look at this situation from a positive angle, I think it makes sense, no, as you were mentioning, the down cycle has already extended for longer than usual in the U.S. and also in Europe. I'm wondering, in Europe, for next year, because I imagine that also in your assumptions, you are considering rather stable demand still for this year. Next year, what do we can expect with these investment plans supporting demand potential in Germany and in other countries in Europe? How do you see the pickup of demand in Europe? Do you have any view on how the market can grow compared to this year? Because we were, I think, if I'm not wrong, we were last year like 20%, 30% below the typical average demand the last 10 years.

How do you see the improvement in a gradual way, or do you think we can see a strong jump at some point because of the low?

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

I think that the market is going up. It needs to go up because, as I said, the last two years, the markets were really down. The trailer builds in Europe were really down, and the markets have to go up. Everybody wants to invest. The money is available, and interest rates in Europe are much lower than in the rest of the world. Take interest rates like in South America. Now they are at 15%. This is crazy. Like India, 10%- 12%. Turkey, you cannot even get a credit. In Europe, specifically in Western Europe, it is still very, very good to get credit lines at a low interest rate. Also, the fleets would like to renew it. They have to renew the trucks. They have an average age which is higher than normal, and specifically the trailers, they are higher.

As I said now, in the second half, we see already an increase in orders coming in and talking to the fleets. They would like to get more trailers in the fleets back in to renew the fleets. I personally think that 2026 will be a better or even a much better year than the last two, two and a half years, like the second half of 2023, 2024, and the first half of 2025.

Frank Lorenz-Dietz
Member of the Management Board and CFO, SAF-Holland SE

I think the demand stumbled in defense equipment and so on. That gives us some orders related to heavy-duty transportation. It's a signal that as well as the programs, the money the European governments will put into defense, we will also benefit from that. If then, this is as it is in Germany, can take a bit more time, we start to invest in infrastructure. This goes again into construction companies, TIPO business, where we are really strong in the market. There are a lot of positive opportunities in front of us. The question only is when will it really kick in.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

When will the money be released by the governments? They have to do the tenders. Tenders take time. As we can see now with the military business, they already announced that last year, and it took nearly one year until the tenders were finished and we start shipping. It's a limited time delay, but I think 2026 in Europe specifically will be a good year.

Jorge González Sadurní
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

Thank you. Two very quick ones. On the remedies for the tariffs, this extraordinary call that you had in North America has to do with materials you need to buy from different sources, or is it more about moving production? I mean, is there a risk that you cannot recover this, or is it a question of time?

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

You mean the tariff implications we had in the second quarter?

Jorge González Sadurní
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

Yes, this extraordinary call that you have around EUR 2 million, I think it was.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

EUR 4 million-EUR 5 million, we said. Basically, we have always a dual source strategy. We need at least two suppliers for one component to not be dependent on one supplier in case something happens or to get the huge pressure from the supplier to increase prices on their end. Always dual or, if possible, a triple source policy. We also buy from low-cost countries, of course. On April 1st, the U.S. administration came out and said, okay, we're going to put now 55% tariffs on China, for instance, or more on India or Brazil or some other areas of the world. We had to, on this day, if we imported stuff and there was still stuff on the water hitting the ports after April 1, we had to carry the additional tariffs, so the customs duties. You cannot pass on to the customers immediately within one week or four weeks.

Most of the times in the aftermarket, you have a delay of six to eight weeks. That's a contractual thing. With the OEs, that's a minimum of three months. As I said before, we solved some of it. Aftermarket is easier to solve than OE. With OE, now we're working on that. As I said before, we are very confident that the majority, I think not everything, but the majority of those extra costs related to the tariffs in the second quarter, but also in the third quarter now, will be passed on to our customers in Q3, so latest in Q4 for Q2 then.

Jorge González Sadurní
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

Perfect. A very last one on APAC. Obviously, we were not probably conscious of the share of exports that APAC was having into North America through the Southeast Asia clients. I'm wondering if you can give us a rough range for how much this shall represent and what was the contribution in Q2, just to understand if we are already potentially at the floor of the revenue in APAC or if there is still some potential additional impact in the following quarters.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

Also here, I have to say it again, the U.S. administration is still discussing with a lot of Asian countries to fix the tariffs. The only one they fixed now is Japan. They didn't fix Vietnam, Thailand, India. India is still a big hassle because they said this is a secondary tariff due to the Russian conflict we're having. They're still buying a lot of oil, and they said last week it's going to be 25%. This week they said it's going to be 50% if they don't stop supporting Russia. We cannot count on this, and our customers also do not count on this because imagine you manufacture trailers, you got to ship it over to the U.S., and then after six weeks, your products hit the port, and the day before the U.S.

administration says, "Oh, now it's 50% tariffs." Nobody is bringing anything on the water right now until everything is settled and fixed and they can calculate. We have to wait for this. We have quite some export share from India, as I said, to those South Asian countries manufacturing trailers and components for U.S. We also have now developed axles for the U.S. market made in India because China with 55% tariffs is very high. We have the products ready, but now with 25% or maybe 10% or maybe 50%, we paused all the activities. We didn't ship anything to the U.S. right now because, as I said before, we faced the risk the day we hit the port, we get 50% tariffs. We don't do that at the moment. We are waiting until the final decision has been made by the U.S. government.

Jorge González Sadurní
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

Okay, I understand. Thank you very much.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

It's not gambling, not gambling, you know.

Jorge González Sadurní
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Hauck Aufhäuser Investment Banking

I understand. Thank you for the color and for trying to answer your questions. I'll go back to the line.

Operator

Thank you very much. Dear ladies and gentlemen, last call. Please press nine and star to ask a question. I repeat, the combination is nine and the star key. A couple more moments for the next question. Please press nine star now. All right. There seem no more questions to be incoming. With that, I close the Q&A session and hand over to CFO Frank Lorenz-Dietz.

Frank Lorenz-Dietz
Member of the Management Board and CFO, SAF-Holland SE

Thank you everyone for the questions. The Investor Relations team is available in case of any follow-up questions. We will be, as always, on the road and attending conferences in the coming weeks and look forward to seeing you there. Thank you.

Alexander Geis
CEO, SAF-Holland SE

Thanks, everyone.

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