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Earnings Call: Q2 2024

Aug 8, 2024

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the SNP SE conference call regarding the Q2 2024 results. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. The floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. Let me now turn the floor over to your host, Marcel Wiskow.

Marcel Wiskow
Head of Investor Relations, SNP SE

Yeah, thank you, operator. Thank you very much. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, thanks for your participation at this investor call. This morning, we released our second quarter results for the current year. You can find, as always, the report and the corporate news on our website in the section Investor Relations. Joining me in this call is our CEO of the company, Jens Amail. As usual, he will guide you through the first part of the presentation, containing the summary of the reported numbers and the forecast for the whole year 2024. Also with me in this call, Andreas Röhrig our CFO. He will give you a more detailed insights of the financials.

As usual, we will finalize this call with a Q&A session, where you get the chances to answer your questions. With this introductory words, I will hand over to Jens.

Jens Amail
CEO, SNP SE

Thank you, Marcel, and hello, everybody, also from my side. Thank you for joining the call, and as always, thank you for your continued interest in SNP. We are incredibly thankful for the continued trust of our customers and partners. In H1, many Fortune 500 companies made the decision to improve their data-enabled transformation capabilities, to improve their business agility based on our software platform. When you look at the list of sponsors of our Transformation World event we had in June here at the SNP Dome in Heidelberg, this includes IBM, EY, Deloitte, Accenture, Microsoft, Google, Fujitsu, PwC, and many others. We are sincerely humbled by the level of support and by the level of endorsement we get from the biggest IT players in the ecosystem.

Now, the entire SNP team is laser-focused on the success of our clients and on the success of our partners. The good numbers we can report today are just a result of this focus on winning together with our customers and our ecosystem. So a big thank you to our customers, to our partners, and to all my incredible colleagues at SNP. We are very pleased with the first half of 2024, and when we look at the numbers of Q2, you see that everything is pretty much in sync and consistent with the pre-release of our figures on July nineteenth. The order entry and the EBIT are even a little bit better. And when we start with order entry, that's always a little bit a concern. We also had quite a few questions around that at the AGM.

But, I can tell you when we, and Andreas will look at the backlog later, that everything we have sold in the last 18 months is real and has a very positive impact on our backlog. When we compare our backlog right now with the start of the fiscal year, and if you look at the book-to-bill ratio in Q1 and Q2, you see exactly the same number reflected in our backlog. Then revenue, strong growth overall on the revenue side, as you have already seen, from EUR 48.5 million- EUR 62 million. We particularly like the over proportional growth we see on the software side, compared to Q2 2023, we are 64% higher.

When you compare Q2 2024 with Q4 2022, we have more than double the software revenue and everything, again, with real business, with real customers, compared to Q2 2022. EBIT, we are, of course, very happy with our EBIT performance, even outside of the one-offs, and I will show a few more details later. When we look at our operating cash flow, we are also very pleased with the good progress we have made here, in spite of high bonus payments as a result of the good performance in 2023. You see here that we had a positive cash flow in Q2 2022. The reason for that was that the bonus payments in this year have been made in Q1.

And when you look, as always, at the top five key headlines of H1, so we already talked about the growth. We particularly like that we see a strong order entry and revenue growth across all regions and segments. Then the second aspect we're highlighting here is really, from my perspective, a major milestone for SNP. We are very thankful that we could find a solution for the legal dispute with the Community of Heirs. I want to thank all our shareholders who approved this agreement at the AGM in June with a support of more than 99%.... And I also want to specifically thank Tatjana Schneider-Neureiter here publicly again, who was willing to find a compromise to step up for the entire community of SNP. So we have found a good solution here.

And, again, I want to publicly thank Tatjana for always also having the best interest of SAP in mind. And, Tatjana will always be a very dear friend of the company. Then the third aspect we are highlighting here is that we are quite happy that all strategic growth levers kick in. So the partner business is now at 54% of the total order entry in H1. We see sustained strong demand for S/4 and RISE with SAP. So, that's 56% of H1 order entry, and we see strong development in our five strategic growth markets. Here, the order entry went up by 79%. We, as already mentioned, could significantly improve profitability and cash flow.

The EBIT went up by EUR 9 million, and the EBIT margin is now three times better than in H1 2023. Also, as mentioned, we had a turnaround in the operating cash flow and are now positive with EUR 4.7 million, compared to negative EUR 9 million in H1 2023. We raised our guidance. For the revenue, we are now forecasting a range between EUR 225 million and EUR 240 million, and for EBIT, we are forecasting a range between EUR 16 million and EUR 20 million. So on Q2, you're familiar with the numbers here, so no need for me to read out all of them. Maybe I just wanna point you to the over proportional growth we see specifically in the software and partner business.

So, when you compare the 108% order entry with a 45% overall order entry and the 64% revenue growth with a 28% overall revenue growth, we are very pleased with the development of our software business. Same with our partner business. We could double our order entry here in Q2 2024. We had one big deal in EMEA, where we had a fantastic software-to-services ratio. So we have a software ratio here of 65% and a services ratio of 35%. We could conclude the software transaction in Q2. The services transaction has been already concluded in Q3. So this will, yeah, normalize our numbers a little bit in Q3, but we are still absolutely in line with our plans.

Then we have here the H1 figures. No need to read them out here again, but I want to underline one more time that we are incredibly thankful for the trust of our customers and of our partners, and particularly here, also, of the trust SAP is putting into us. Yeah? We know, we absolutely appreciate that there is still a lot of work ahead of us, but for now, we as a team are pleased with what we have achieved in H1. When we double-click now here on the partner business, again, we are humbled by the trust of our partners, but I'm also really incredibly proud of the work our partner team, under the leadership of Lutz Lambrecht, has done in the last three years with our ecosystem.

Also here, a public thank you to Lutz and the entire ecosystem team of SAP. This is really a textbook case, and I'm really, really humbled to work and to run together with you here. When we look at the order entry, again, I already mentioned it, we doubled the business in Q2. We see 80% growth in H1, and when we look at the revenue, we saw a growth of 66% in Q2. This also, this strong support and endorsement of the ecosystem community has also been reflected in the attendance at Transformation World. So we had a pre-event, we call it Partner Day, with 250 selected participants, and we had then at the main event, more than 700 partners here in Heidelberg.

When we look at the deal bands, as you know, I always find this quite interesting. So the long and the short of it is that we have less deals than one year ago, but of course, higher volume deals. And here we do not only have two or three massive big deals, we have this on top. But even when you look at the smallest deal bands and compare H1 2023 with H1 2024, you see that we have significantly less deals this year, but EUR 3 million more in order entry.

And you can go through this, except the mi- very mid-range, which is in the same ballpark, that we see here, higher volumes here in all the deal bands, and this is, of course, helpful to grow the business, but it's also helpful to realize operational efficiencies and to become more efficient. The large, I want to point out one thing. I mentioned that a lot of Fortune 500 companies have put trust in us or continue to put trust in us in Q2. You saw an announcement with BMW about a strategic partnership. This deal is not included here. So the call-offs of BMW are not included here in the order entry numbers.

Then when we look at the business by region, I'm very happy that, as I already indicated at the beginning, that we see growth in all regions. Particularly, we see growth in the biggest IT markets on the planet, in the U.K., in North America. That we still see 20% growth in Central Europe is for me a very clear indicator that the macro dynamics of our market environment are really kicking in and pushing us in the right direction. We see an increasing market demand for our solutions, even in our most mature markets. And then, the fourth bullet, again, underlining the strong demand we see through S/4HANA RISE, also here, overall, proportional growth by 36%.

Okay, now, when we look at the EBIT, we are again very happy with that. This is very positive. Even without the one-offs, we have here an improvement of 420%. We have the impact of the settlement or of the agreement with the Community of Heirs partially offset by a few write-offs. So you see here only a positive impact of EUR 1.9 million. When we look at the costs, and Andreas will share a few more details later, this is overall in sync with our plans. Of course, we have an increase as we grow the business overall, but again, everything in sync with how we planned this for this year.

When you look at the OpEx, and this was getting my attention in the first step, we invested a little bit more in our transformation world event, not because we wanted to have it much more fancy, but because we had 50% more customers there, right? So of course, this is also then a little bit more expensive. With more employees, of course, we have more travel expenses. We invest a little bit more in offices, and also here, we had a few write-offs. But again, overall, everything is in sync with our plans. Then, that's the view on H1. As you always get it from us, we have EUR 9 million more EBIT.

If you also here, exclude the one-offs, we have EUR 5 million more, which is more than double what we had last year. So we are very happy also with the operational improvements. Then, the last point from my side, we have improved our forecast for this year. When you look at revenue, we improved the midpoint by EUR 12.5 million. The vast majority here is organic. And when you look at the EBIT, we increased the midpoint by EUR 3.5 million. We have EUR 1.9 million positive impact by the one-offs. And again, the midpoint increase is EUR 3.5 million. So that's it, for now from my side. Thanks again to everyone for joining the call. I'm looking forward to the discussion later.

With that, I will turn it over to our CFO, Andreas.

Andreas Röderer
CFO, SNP SE

Thank you very much, Jens. As Jens has outlined the revenue already in detail, let us have a look at the cost side. The personnel costs are primarily increased due to the following two effects that have already been explained in our earlier calls. So we have added a higher number of employees, primarily in our services and sales functions, to successfully deliver our order backlog and accelerate our future growth. In addition, we have slightly adjusted the salary also in line with some of the inflation rates we have seen. On the other expenses and income, Jens has already outlined to you the EBIT bridge, but let me outline several effects here that have partially netted off a bit more in detail. We have had favorable FX effects, but just to say it here, we can hardly plan for those things.

Yeah, this is a tricky thing for us, because last year we have seen that there has been rather negatives. This year, it's a bit of a positive effect of EUR 2.1 million, as Jens has already outlined, primarily coming out of the hyperinflation situation that is still around in Argentina. But besides this, we have also seen, as Jens has indicated already, some increased travel activities to grow our business in new markets like Brazil, Nordics, and Middle East, yeah, which led to higher travel costs at the end. We had also higher marketing and event-based costs, as Jens has already indicated, but this has also been partially due to the effect that we wanted to promote also, besides the Transformation World, our new SNP Kyano strategy. But similar to last quarter, overall, no surprises, and we keep tracking spend and cost behavior very closely.

Now, let us have a look at the segment reporting. I will keep this short, as Jens has already touched the topic, but just to say, I'm happy to report that we see revenue growth in all three segments. Two things I want to highlight once again, as Jens has already indicated: the software segment increased well above average by 31%, and I'm especially also personally happy that EXA has improved as well. But as outlined to you in the previous earnings calls, based on our understanding, this was just a matter of time due to the long and complex deal cycles of the company. Now, let us have a look at the segment margins.

Before we go into the details, I want to share with you that the one-off gains, or roughly EUR 3.5 million from the settlement with the community of heirs, has not been allocated to the segments, as the initially built-up provisions had also not been allocated to the segments. Now, let's go to the software segment. For the software segment, we can see an increase in the half year one margin of 3.6%, although some receivables impairments for historic partner transactions have been allocated to the software segment. The services segment margin in half year one is at a similar level like in the previous year, as we are still in an investment phase in which new colleagues need to be ramped up, and we are also investing into the further ramp-up of our partners.

So from an operational point of view, we are on track, and this margin development had been planned for, as these investments will fuel our future growth and are in line with our partner strategy. As outlined before, EXA was able to close some long-lasting deal cycles, as indicated to you, so we are very happy for our EXA team that they could close now, finally, those deal cycles. And let me also emphasize here that based on our sales pipeline that we see for EXA, we are also optimistic for the half year two for EXA. Now, let us go to the next page and have a look at the order entry and the order backlog. As Jens has already outlined, we're seeing a strong increase in order entry across all regions, just to repeat that, but also an order increase across all segments.

Especially, we are happy about the growth in order entry in our strategic growth markets, like Brazil, Nordics, France, Middle East, and Mexico. Here, the order entry was up 79% to EUR 12 million in half year 1. Now, let us have a look at the backlog switch. I think Jens has also that already indicated. I just want to repeat the key message here. Our order backlog is stable, and we are not losing projects. The reductions we see here are minor project remeasurements. I think we are very happy with the way how we transform backlog into revenue then. Now, let us have a look at the balance sheet. If you look at the cash and cash equivalents and other financial assets, we see a similar picture as in Q1. Therefore, let me focus on the receivables and contract assets and contract liability positions.

Let me start to have a look at our non-current receivable positions. They have been reduced by EUR 7.3 million since the beginning of 2024. This means we are making progress on getting payments also for our historic partner contracts. The current receivables have not been increased compared to the balance as of the end of last year, although our Q2 business was higher than our Q4 business last year. The contract assets and contract liabilities positions have been developed as expected, in line with our ongoing business. To sum it up, we further made progress in our working capital management, and we will also see this later when we discuss the operating cash flow. The non-current liabilities have increased as we closed a new bank loan at very good interest rates to fund some of our development activities.

Finally, our equity ratio has improved as well. Now, let us have a look at the cash flow. As already indicated, on a half year one basis, the operating cash flow increased by more than EUR 13 million, EUR 13.6 million to EUR 4.7 million. Accordingly, the Q2 operating cash flow was negative, with -EUR 5.6 million, and has therefore significantly reduced the strong Q1 operating cash flow. But the main reason for this development are bonus and variable payments to the SNP team for the very successful year 2023, that had been paid in Q2. And the board, and me personally, is happy that the SNP team can also personally benefit from the successes achieved last year. Finally, let us have a look at the headcount development in Q2.

The additions to the headcount in Q2 relate mainly to our acquisition of the Trigone Group. A warm welcome again to all our new colleagues from the Trigone Group. Happy to have you on board. As you can see, we added 55 headcount to the group, primarily again in our services segment, to further fuel our growth, but also to have capabilities to ramp up our partners to execute on our partner strategy. With that, I hand over to our head of investor relations, Marcel Wiskow.

Marcel Wiskow
Head of Investor Relations, SNP SE

Thank you, Andreas. Thank you, Jens. Operator, I guess we are open for questions now.

Operator

Yes, thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press nine and star on your telephone keypad. In case you wish to withdraw your question, please press nine and the star key again. Please press nine and star to register for a question. First up is Yannik Siering from Stifel. Over to you.

Yannik Siering
Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Yeah, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I would have two, please. The first one, we've seen very strong top line growth, especially in software. Could you quantify the impact of large program licenses in Q2? Are these the two mega-deals that you now mentioned in the presentation? I suppose they were, like, EUR 3 million each? And then the second one would be on your guidance. The updated and the increased guidance implies H2 growth of around 8% at an EBIT margin of roughly 5%, which looks rather low, also given the high order entry in Q2 that we have seen and the recent trends in profitability that we have seen. Could you share your thoughts on your, yeah, basically your thinking there? Thank you.

Jens Amail
CEO, SNP SE

Yeah. Thank you very much, Mr. Siering. On the order entry side, we actually have two mega deals here in Q2, as you see, overall, for EUR 17 million. In one deal, as I already indicated, we have an exceptionally high software share of 65%. And but these are not all you can eat licenses. These are specific licenses related to the transformation programs. On the EBIT side, yeah, we increased the midpoint of our revenue by around 6%. We increased the EBIT by twice as much, by 11%. So that's what we see at the moment. Does this answer your question or?

Yannik Siering
Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Yeah, great. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I was on mute. Sorry. Thanks.

Jens Amail
CEO, SNP SE

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. At the moment, there are no further questions, so if you have any additional questions, please press nine and the star key now. And we have a question coming from Hannes Müller, from Warburg Research. The floor is yours.

Hannes Müller
Equity Analyst, Warburg Research

Yes. Hello. Thank you for taking my questions. Also two from me. First would be on the partner business. Could you give us an idea of how important the largest partners are? I mean, of course, you have a lot of partners, which are growing as well, but, to what extent, are there a few very large partners carrying the business? That would be helpful. And then, just, a specific question on leasing liabilities. I saw in the cash flow statement that, the payments from lease liabilities were up quite a bit. Could you explain why, and will you see that, for the full year? Thank you.

Jens Amail
CEO, SNP SE

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Müller, for your question. Let me take the first one, and the second one I defer to Andreas. So I give you ballpark numbers because we don't report them, yeah, but in the interest of transparency and how we wanna also run the company externally. The top five partners. So we have two sets of partners. We have system integration partners and we have technology partners, yeah? Your question is referring to the system integration partners, who also specifically help us on the order entry side, and here, around 50% of the business is done by the top five partners. Andreas, can you cover the second?

Andreas Röderer
CFO, SNP SE

Yeah, I'll cover the second. I think, actually, this impact comes from our acquisition of Trigone. I think we did the purchase price allocation, and this was changing that slightly, but it's not a significant change. I think also on the EBITDA side, we might see a difference occurring from the Trigone acquisition. So in the past, if you look at the full year, the difference between EBIT and EBITDA was always usually roughly EUR 10 million, so EUR 2.5 million per quarter. We will see that slightly increase on a yearly basis, maybe by one million or something like that, but nothing really significant.

Hannes Müller
Equity Analyst, Warburg Research

Okay, great. That helps. Thank you.

Jens Amail
CEO, SNP SE

Thank you, Mr. Müller.

Operator

If you have any additional questions, please press nine and star now. There are no further questions. And with this, I hand back to the company for some final remarks. Thank you.

Marcel Wiskow
Head of Investor Relations, SNP SE

If there are no further questions, we take this for an indication for our clear and focused communication. There are no further questions, and if you have any questions, then contact Investor Relations. As you know, more than happy to answer all these, all open items. And yeah, with this, I would close the Q&A session. Goodbye, and see you soon, and hear you soon. Bye-bye.

Jens Amail
CEO, SNP SE

Thank you. Bye-bye.

Andreas Röderer
CFO, SNP SE

Bye.

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