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Earnings Call: Q1 2020

Apr 30, 2020

Speaker 13

Thank you, operator. Welcome to the Wacker Chemie AG conference call on our Q1 2020 results. Dr. Rudolf Staudigl, our CEO, and Dr. Tobias Ohler, our CFO, will take you through our prepared slides in a minute. The presentation is available on our webpage under the caption Investor Relations. Before we begin, allow me to point you to our safe harbor statement, which you'll find at the beginning of the slide deck. Dr. Staudigl.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our conference call on the first quarter 2020 results. We delivered a strong performance in Q1. Sales were at EUR 1.2 billion, 3% less than last year, but 4% over the previous quarter, driven by volume. EBITDA came in at EUR 174 million, a solid 23% higher than last year. We saw a good performance in chemicals, mainly due to a better cost base. Volumes in chemicals were up despite a pandemic-induced slump in China earlier in the first quarter. Polysilicon benefited from its ongoing focus on cost reduction. While our first quarter performance was quite good, we started to see a deterioration in business conditions almost across the board in late March and early April. The lower order intake is a function of the global response to the pandemic. As sales are slowing in some areas, we are ready to adjust production levels accordingly.

We are preparing for a harsher environment. We exercise strict cost controls, we focus on cash generation and working capital management, and we push out CapEx and technical expenses where possible. We will not compromise future growth. The work on our more significant restructuring program, targeting annual savings of about EUR 250 million by 2022, continues. At the same time, we take precautions to protect our workforce. Most of our administrative staff now work from home, and we have intense medical surveillance on our teams in the plants. Infection rates at our plants are at very low levels. Our top priority is the health of our employees while maintaining production to supply our customers reliably. The situation is dynamic and a range of scenarios are possible. Early reopenings and the fast refilling of supply chains could see the economy showing signs of recovery as we progress through the year.

Longer standstills would undoubtedly have more adverse effects. We expect the global economy to contract sharply in the second quarter, and this will affect our customers and us. Given the volatile situation, it is currently not possible to issue a precise forecast for the full year. We believe that initial steps undertaken to lift the lockdowns will lead to positive economic effects. However, it is hard to either quantify or time these effects. When we last spoke in March, we identified a risk potential of over EUR 100 million to our forecast. We see this risk materializing, but cannot reliably predict to what degree. Tobias.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Welcome. I will now take you through the presentation and provide you with a current trading update for each segment. Starting with page four, we had a good start to the year with results in line with our expectations. Sales were down 3%, primarily due to lower prices for solar-grade polysilicon and standard silicones. We benefited from efficiency gains, cost management, and a lower depreciation charge following the impairment in polysilicon last year. Gross profit improved by 48% to EUR 222 million. We are actively taking steps to reduce expenditure across the entire organization. Our efforts show in the gross profit development and are also clearly visible in the SG&A line, which was down 8% compared to last year. Earnings per share came in at EUR 1.31 for the quarter. On page five, our balance sheet reflects our strong financial position. During the quarter, we took steps to strengthen our liquidity further.

Having secured new loans of EUR 200 million, we ended the quarter with approximately EUR 750 million in cash and cash equivalents. Combined with additionally available credit lines of EUR 600 million, we are solidly financed. Shareholder equity improved to EUR 2.4 billion following the net profit in the first quarter and lower pension provisions. Pensions declined by EUR 490 million as the applicable discount rate increased to 1.93%. As we move on to the segments, please note that we are only providing a trading update today. As Rudi already explained, it is not currently possible to give an accurate forecast for 2020. While we had a good performance at Q1, the next quarter will be very challenging as significant markets and regions enter into a recession.

Lower raw materials and our aggressive cost-cutting will help offset some of these headwinds, but will not fully compensate for lower prices and volumes as a result of the coronavirus crisis. Wacker Silicones on page six saw sales decline by only 2%. Growth in our specialties business helped offset weaker prices and standards. Somewhat higher sales in the Americas helped compensate declines in China, which was down nearly 20%. Wacker Silicones add value in many diversified markets, and as such, they are not immune to a slowdown in GDP. While some end markets are clearly under pressure, others, like industrial applications and release coatings, are seeing strong demand. The Q1 EBITDA margin at Wacker Silicones came in at 20.1%, reflecting a good sales mix and cost performance. Our new silicon metal furnace in Norway is performing very well, and we saw a significant drop in our production cost.

Looking at the current trading in Wacker Silicones, we continue to see good cost performance in siloxane. However, we also see a lower order intake in April. Depending on how the market conditions develop, we may need to adjust production rates. Moving on to page seven. Wacker Polymers saw a strong performance driven by volumes and efficiency gains. Sales increased by 3%, with growth in Europe offsetting weaker demand in China. We had high utilization rates at all plants, and our new powder dryer in South Korea helped drive volume growth even higher this year. EBITDA margin climbed to 18.6% with firm prices, efficiency gains, and cost discipline. Looking at the current trading in Wacker Polymers, we see China demand recovering and other regions reporting weaker sales. We will adjust production levels accordingly should market conditions not improve. Strict cost management and lower raw material costs should support the result.

Biosolutions on page eight saw strong demand in all businesses. Sales increased by 9% with cyclodextrin, cysteines, and biopharma performing particularly well. We saw high utilization rates in all our businesses, which supported higher earnings. Looking at the current trading in Biosolutions, we see high demand in cyclodextrins and have a strong order book in biopharma. At Polysilicon on page nine, we saw a good cost performance but experienced weaker volumes overall. Sales declined by 13% with somewhat weaker demand and lower prices for solar-grade polysilicon year-over-year. The vast majority of wafer, cell, and module manufacturing takes place in China, and the effects of the coronavirus already showed in the first quarter. Reported EBITDA improved significantly compared to last year as we made good progress on our cost roadmap and increased semi-grade volumes. Inventory valuation effects were lower than previous year.

Looking at the current trading in Polysilicon, we see customers in China resuming production, but now believe end markets will not be as strong as we previously forecasted. We now expect the total PV installations to be in the range of 105-125 gigawatts this year, compared to our previous forecast of 135-155 gigawatts. Now looking to cash flow and net financial debt on page 10. Gross cash flow in the quarter improved substantially to EUR 83 million. While the first quarter saw the typical seasonality-driven investments in working capital, the absolute figure is 4% lower than last year. Our efforts to release cash from working capital and to control costs are both taking hold. CapEx in Q1 was down 55% to EUR 44 million as we completed our major projects and tightly controlled spending on new projects.

With net cash flow from operations of EUR 23 million, our net financial debt position improved to EUR 702 million. We are taking a hard look at cash flow and have installed firm controls on expenses and working capital. With a strong cash generation and a good liquidity position, we feel well prepared should market conditions remain challenging. Let me hand you back to Rudi.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Thank you, Tobias. Looking at current trading, we see a mixed picture, as Tobias just said. We have some markets going at a good or even strong level. These include semiconductor polysilicon, silicones for industrial applications and release coating, as well as our biopharma business. Much slower, on the other hand, are PV installations, leading to lower demand for solar-grade polysilicon. Automotive and consumer demand suffers from the effects of the pandemic response. Slide 11 shows a few of our products with currently high demand. In biosolutions and the medical grades in silicones, we are operating at capacity levels. In line with most economists, we expect a pandemic-driven global recession to hit our markets in Q2 and Q3. The slowdown will afflict our customers and us. The pandemic risk we highlighted in our last call is unfortunately materializing, we are responding rapidly to the developing situation.

We currently focus on maintaining the highest level of production possible while taking the necessary precautions for a more pronounced downturn. Starting tomorrow, we will reduce production at our German polysilicon sites. We aim to avoid layoffs, ensuring that our highly trained staff is available to return to work once demand improves. We are also looking for options to introduce short-term work in other operations and administrative functions as the situation unfolds. Work on our Shape the Future efficiency program is progressing well. We will reduce CapEx to below EUR 300 million this year by shifting smaller projects and delaying non-essential technical upgrades. All these measures will help secure our strong financial position while not forgoing growth opportunities. The pandemic makes for a tough time and forecasting is impossible. Please bear with us through these exceptional times.

Seeing how our team is pulling together and how efficiently we manage to run our plants gives me confidence. With our diversified operation in silicones, we will be ready when markets pick up again, as supply chains get restocked and markets regain traction. In polymers, volatility in oil-based competitive materials may create some disturbance, yet the performance of our products continues to drive volume gains. In biosolutions, we expect growing earnings contributions from our biopharma business as the year progresses. Polysilicon suffers from temporarily weak demand, but the rapidly shifting markets towards high-efficiency products improves our midterm outlook substantially. Integrated production, continuous innovation, strong customer focus, and cost performance have always been part of our DNA. We take up the challenge and continue to work on improving our operations and processes.

While there is a lot of uncertainty out there and we are facing difficult times, I can see a future where we emerge stronger from the crisis than before. Thank you. Operator, our presentation ends here. We will now begin with the Q&A session.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin our question and answer session. If you have a question for our speakers, please dial zero and one on your telephone keypad now to enter the queue. Once your name has been announced, you can ask a question. If you find your question is answered before it is your turn to speak, you can dial zero and two to cancel your question. If you're using speaker equipment today, please lift the handset before making your selection. One moment please for the first question. We've received the first question. It is from Andreas Heine of MainFirst. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Andreas Heine
Analyst, MainFirst

Thank you for the opportunity to ask questions. First, on Wacker Polymers, could you highlight how the April was and what you expect here from the second quarter? Let's say how the equation works out in potentially lower volume, but on the other hand, materially lower raw material costs. The second on polysilicon. Sales in the first quarter were not that much weaker, and now you have these short-time working. I guess that you expect the Q2 to be even worse than Q1, and that you potentially have built up some inventories, which you try to avoid in the second quarter by curtailing your production. Could you give some insight how the delivery momentum was throughout Q1 and what you see from today's point in Q2?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Andreas, Tobias here. I start with the first question on Wacker Polymers. We have seen a significant deterioration in business conditions, I think almost across the board in late March and early April, and this also affects Wacker Polymers, our mostly construction-driven business. You had seen that Sales in the first quarter was up compared to prior year. We had a very strong European business. Some headwind in China already in the first quarter, but in April, this changed. The expectation is that revenue should be around 15% below prior year. As orders have also declined from the shutdown situation in Europe and the Americas, you could see that number for May and June, the 15% could be a higher number. It's hard to assess right now.

On the raw material side, for sure, lower ethylene prices that are sort of linked to overall energy and oil in Europe, naphtha driven in Asia and U.S., more gas driven. Ethylene prices come down. I think with a time lag, also vinyl acetate monomer prices should come down from both the cost base being lower and also demand being lower for them.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

On polysilicon. The impact on the polysilicon demand are different in the first quarter and the second quarter. In the first quarter, it mainly was determined by a slowing production in China, especially slowing transportation capabilities worldwide, shipping modules to all locations in the world. The reason obviously was the corona epidemic in China and all the impacts of the slowdown, or the shutdown in China. In the second quarter, we see production capabilities coming back in China. On the other hand, the global demand is pretty much down all over the world because of reduction of installations, because of the epidemic or the effects of the epidemic. We had reasonable sales, I would say, in the first quarter. We see this overall global slowdown starting in the second quarter, and the question really is how long will it persist?

So far, we are saying the global installations will definitely not surpass last year's installations. We really need to see on a short term how things develop. We started with a 30% reduction in utilization of labor, and we will adjust as needed.

Andreas Heine
Analyst, MainFirst

The 30% decline in labor is equal to the cut in utilization rate in production, I guess.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Yeah, mainly.

Andreas Heine
Analyst, MainFirst

Yeah.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Production support maintenance staff, for example.

Andreas Heine
Analyst, MainFirst

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Thomas Wrigglesworth of Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Thomas Wrigglesworth
Analyst, Citi

Good afternoon, and thank you for the opportunity to ask questions. First question is on, you kind of note a recovery in polymers in China. You didn't make the same comments for silicones. Have we seen the worst of it in silicones in China now? What do exit rates look like for silicones? If you could give us any sense of the kind of exit rates for March into April in U.S. and Europe for silicones, that'd be super helpful. I had a kind of second question, which is on, to touch on power tariffs, notably in Germany. Given that we are in a lower energy price environment for both gas and oil, is that something that you're able to lock in for longer now? Would consider doing so.

Could you kind of elaborate on that and then, how you see power costs going forwards from 2020 into 2021? Thank you.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Thomas, on the silicones question and the development in China. You noticed rightly that there is a difference. While construction activities have seen a faster pickup in China again, we see an overall silicones customer segments still a slower progression of the recovery. I think the expectation was that after the lockdown, Q2 would be back to normal in China. From an end customer demand perspective, that apparently is not the case, and that affects silicones. I mentioned that the April revenue for polymers is some 15% below prior year. The same would be true for silicones. Also about 15%. With a lower order intake, we also see a decline going forward into May and June. I remember your question on Europe and the U.S. They are moving pretty similar. We had still a strong Q1 in both regions, both Europe and NCA.

NCA even a bit stronger. We now see a similar pattern in both regions.

Thomas Wrigglesworth
Analyst, Citi

Okay. Thank you.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

I think the second block of your questions was on power tariffs, and you asked about how we can benefit from the decline in electricity prices and gas prices. In the short term, from our overall rolling hedges that we do, mean there's limited impact for the year 2020. Yes, we see lower prices against prior year. It is a benefit that we can capture. Your second part of that question was how can we take advantage of that for longer term. Yes, we do this. We have a scheme of rolling hedges that we typically follow, and given the now very low prices, we have extended buying forward contracts on both electricity and gas.

Thomas Wrigglesworth
Analyst, Citi

Okay. Would you say, how much are you hedged out kind of beyond maybe one year? Could you give any indication of the quantity that would be more than one year hedged?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

No, I don't want to talk about those details.

Thomas Wrigglesworth
Analyst, Citi

Okay, that's fine. Sure. Okay, thank you very much.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Thank you.

Thomas Wrigglesworth
Analyst, Citi

Very helpful. Thank you.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Welcome.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Chetan Udeshi of JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Chetan Udeshi
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi, thank you. I had a question just on the pricing environment. We've seen in silicones, for instance, the commodity pricing in China has taken another leg down over the past few weeks. How do you see in this weak environment, the pricing for specialty products holding both to some extent in silicones but also in polymers, given the raw material pricing also weaker at the same time? Can you probably help us understand how to think about the operating leverage in terms of the impact from, say weaker, 15%-20% weaker sales on margin or on just the absolute earnings? In other words, what would be the flow through of, say EUR 1 lower revenue to earnings? Any rule of thumb there would be useful.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Chetan, to be honest, I would take the first question. I think the second, acoustically, we had some challenges. Your question was on the price development in silicones split between commodity business and specialty business. For sure, the most pressure is on the commodity side. We had seen year-over-year some headwind, which also shows up in our revenue being below prior year. I would say at least 80% of the price decline is just on commodities. Specialties are holding up firm. Yes, there are also here and there price movement, but more than 80% is commodity. I think the second question would be helpful if you could maybe repeat again.

Chetan Udeshi
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, I was just trying to understand how to think about the operational leverage from lower sales on EBITDA or EBIT, whichever way you think it's easier. I'm just trying to say if the sales are down 15%-20%, how to think about the impact of that on margin or on EBITDA. Do you guys have some sort of a rule of thumb that every EUR decline in revenue could be EUR 0.50 impact on earnings or something, which helps us maybe model the negative leverage properly?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Chetan, very straight answer. Yes, we do have these rule of thumbs, but we don't want to share these, unfortunately, for modeling purposes. Hope for your understanding.

Chetan Udeshi
Analyst, JPMorgan

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Patrick Rafa of UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Patrick Rafaisz
Analyst, UBS

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Three questions, please. The first one is a follow-up on your comments around polysilicon and the production reduction in Germany. You later talked about a 30% reduction in labor. Is that for Germany or is that for your global capacities? If it's only for Germany, should we expect a similar plan for Charleston in the near future? The second question would be. I realize you cannot give a guidance at this point, but back in March, we talked about the EUR 100 million-plus risk event as a framework number in the risk assessment. Not a calculated number. Have you run these kind of scenarios now, and will your scenario analysis back up such EUR 100 million-plus risk event? The third question is just a quick one.

The Slide 11 where you showed these products that benefit from pandemic demand, can you quantify how much of your sales will be related to these activities? Thank you.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

On the short-time work, it's restricted to Germany. Charleston is running on semiconductor polysilicon, although not on full capacity.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

To the second question, as I said in the call last time, the plus EUR 100 million is a risk category. It's not a calculated number, and there's no spreadsheet for that. As we said today, the pandemic risk is materializing, but we don't have a guidance on 2020, as it's impossible to forecast the depth of the recession in the second quarter and then the pattern of the recovery. The third question was on the products that show additional demand from the situation. I think we don't have a specific number now that we can highlight here.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Not a big number, certainly. These are very future-oriented, great products that certainly will be in higher and higher demand over time.

Patrick Rafaisz
Analyst, UBS

Thank you for this.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

I just want to add that quite a few years ago, we put a lot of emphasis on medical applications of our silicone products and put in clean room facilities, et cetera. That's really paying off nicely right now.

Operator

Okay, thank you. We go to the next question. It is from Martin Jungfleisch of Berenberg. Please go ahead. The line is now open.

Martin Jungfleisch
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes, hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I have two follow-ups on polysilicon. First of all, you mentioned that you adjust the production levels. Would you say that further cost cuts and the measures in division may keep the EBITDA for Q2 at first quarter levels despite lower fixed cost coverage to volumes, assuming stable pricing? The second question is if you can provide more color if you have shipped any polysilicon from Tennessee to China in the first quarter, given that this should be now possible due to the US-China phase one trade deal. Thank you.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

To the first question, I don't think that we are in a position to answer that right now. We have an idea about it, of course, we certainly continue to reduce our costs. To give a forecast for the second quarter would not be the right thing to do at this point in time. On your second question, no, we do not ship polysilicon to China from Charleston. Charleston has a very highly qualified semiconductor product, and this is what we are focusing on.

Martin Jungfleisch
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thank you. You would be technically able to ship to China?

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

No, the tariffs for American produced material are still in place.

Martin Jungfleisch
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Laura Lopez, Baader Bank . Please go ahead. The line is now open.

Laura Lopez
Analyst, Baader Bank

Hi, good afternoon. A couple of questions from my side regarding the Shape the Future or your restructuring program. When are we getting more details on this? Maybe also regarding restructuring costs and a little bit of the phasing of those EUR 200 million. I remember at the beginning you mentioned that we shouldn't expect a lot of impact in 2020, but first quarter show already a positive sign. Is that included in that initial target? Two maybe general questions. One on taxes. You had a positive impact in the first quarter. Is that due to some tax loss carryforwards or something like that? Do you have any potential guidance for the year? On dividend, I think there was nothing mentioned in the press release or in the presentation today. Do you confirm this, the dividend payment still?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Laura, I start with the first two questions. First one on the Shape the Future program. As we said, we are targeting EUR 250 million, not EUR 200, as a cost reduction on both the personnel and spend side, which we want to achieve by the end of 2022. Given the situation with the COVID-19 crisis, I think the urgency of achieving those savings has increased. Over the past couple of weeks since we last talked, I think we have made excellent progress despite many people just working remotely. We have, from a project approach, started to define the ideal organization, also supported by external benchmarking. We have then defined the cost target of the EUR 250 million, and now the phase over the past couple of weeks was to really develop specific measures.

We will now enter into negotiations with the employee representatives, and as soon as we have agreement there, the implementation phase will begin as quickly as possible. I would say on the indirect spend side, which is not personnel-related, we also made great progress over the past couple of weeks. There we will see faster ramp in savings than on the personnel-related measures. Overall, it is unchanged that we do not expect meaningful savings in 2020, just to be conservative. I think the good start into the year cost-wise was also mainly driven by our strict budgeting from last year and a very good cost discipline in the organization already showing progress. It is not so much related to the measures that we are actually talking in the Shape the Future program, which is really a comprehensive program across the entire organization.

When will you get more details? We are heading for the Capital Markets Day in June, and then we would like to talk more about the timeline also, when to build in what level of savings. The second question was on the positive tax that shows in the Q1. This comes basically from two elements. The first is that with the impairment that we have taken on the polysilicon assets in last year, we have a lower depreciation level in 2020 going forward. The impairment was not tax effective. For that reason, our pre-tax profit is lower. In addition to that, there are some other reversal effects from tax audits that also contribute to a positive tax in the Q1.

If you look at the full year 2020, you could expect also taxes to be positive, especially from the impairment consideration that I talked about.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

On your question on the dividend, of course, the proposal that was published, proposal by the executive committee, Vorstand, and the supervisory board to the general assembly, of course, it still holds. Otherwise, you would have learned it from an ad hoc anyway. Yes, of course, it still holds.

Laura Lopez
Analyst, Baader Bank

Thank you very much.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Our financial position is really strong enough to keep the proposal at this point in time.

Laura Lopez
Analyst, Baader Bank

Thank you. Very good answers.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Tomas Swoboda of Societe Generale. Please go ahead, your line is now open.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

Yes. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I hope you are all well. Sorry if I repeat a question that was asked before. I missed part of the call because of phone problems. I still wanted to ask you about your initial target in polysilicon. You wanted to adjust costs in a way so you should have reached an exit rate of around break even at the end of this year. Now you have cut your PV installation expectations for the year. My question is, what does the cut in your expectations for the market volumes do to your target of a break even exit rate for the polysilicon division? I will have a follow-up question.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

I mean, the slowing demand certainly does not impact our ambition in cost cutting. Yeah, that's what we can say on that.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

You have said on the last call that at the prevailing price level, you were a little bit ahead of your plans. We have seen that prices are continued to be under pressure less than in the recent past, but still, they were coming down. Can you make up for something like this? Is it fair to assume that the combination of the market pressures is throwing you back in your ambitions?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Well, of course, if price levels are going down, the ambitions rise. There's no question. We will see by the end of the year how everything turns out. I think the biggest uncertainty is in the market development at this point in time.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

Understood.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Very, very tough to predict.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

Understood. My second question is on cash, and especially in regard to the restructuring measures you haven't announced yet. I fully respect that, and it's not a question how much. In the interest of balance sheet and liquidity preservation, my question is: Do you expect any significant cash outflows for the SG&A cost restructuring programs still this year? Are those outflows, whatever they will be, expected from 2020 onwards only?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Thomas, there will be most likely two components for the cash outflow on the restructuring. If we think about the portion that we can do with accelerated retirement, this will spread over the years, over 2020, 2021, 2022. There will not be a massive impact from this type of approach to lower the headcount on the 2020 financials and cash. If we think about the second part, more like a severance program, this will, yes, be offered, if we find agreement with the employees' representatives. Yes, I would expect that to be in the second half of 2020. It is by far not from the numbers that some calculate. Please bear in mind that the 250 that we are talking about is roughly 50% non-labor, 50% labor. Of the labor component, there's most likely a big portion also working with a retirement approach.

You can do the numbers if you like, but I don't have any guidance today to this.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

Is it a headache because of the current situation and the stretched liquidity eventually?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

No.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

No?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Not at all.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

Not at all. Perfect.

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

We will push for the program as strongly as possible. As I said before, we are really happy with the progress that we made. The urgency will drive the change, most likely even faster. Did I get it right, headache? No, there's no headache at all.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

Perfect. To end on an even more positive note. The oil price, I mean, it has crashed. A lot of market participants do not expect the oil price to recover sharply anytime soon. What does this low oil price do to Wacker Chemie? How big is the tailwind?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

I mean, we are not oil buyers. We are not an oil-based business. For sure some of the raw materials have seen also massive declines like ethylene dropped by EUR 200 in the most recent numbers I've seen. Yes, we will see lower raw materials and lower energy.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

Will all segments participate or should we rather think in Polymers only or how should we see this?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

It is primarily polymers because those raw materials are closer to oil. It will also be silicones if you think about methanol, which is linked to coal and gas.

Tomas Swoboda
Analyst, Societe Generale

Perfect. Thank you very much. Very clear.

Operator

Here, the next question is from Sebastian Bray of Berenberg Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Sebastian Bray
Analyst, Berenberg Bank

competitors still adding capacity within China, or do they plan to do so within the next 6 to 12 months? My second one is also on polysilicon. What is the next big regulatory event, either in China or elsewhere, that will set the tone for the demand growth in 2021 and beyond? Is it just draft documents for next five-year plan in September, October, or is there a specific announcement or event with whose date we know about? The third question is on the polymers segment. Are there any customers who are likely to ask for ad hoc renegotiations of pricing, or are you sitting pretty for the next three quarters, and these only really reset properly, to reflect lower raw materials at the start of next year? Thank you.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

As far as I'm aware, to your second question, there are no specific regulatory events scheduled at this point. I know that, especially in China, they are thinking about special incentives to install more modules, and these programs will certainly be published over the next few months. There are the normal regulatory rules, basically, in every country to support installation of solar modules. To be honest, acoustically, I did not hear your first question. Can you?

Sebastian Bray
Analyst, Berenberg Bank

Are there any competitors in China that are currently constructing polysilicon capacity or planning to do so within the next six to 12 months, or is that done for the time being?

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Well, there is especially one competitor that has announced the construction of additional capacity. That's correct.

Sebastian Bray
Analyst, Berenberg Bank

I assume you're referring to Daqo, but at this stage, based upon what you hear from the market, do you assume that is going to go ahead, or?

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Well, I think we have a clear picture about our competition in China. As I said, there is especially one who is obviously eager to add additional capacity.

Sebastian Bray
Analyst, Berenberg Bank

Understood. Sorry, just to make sure, did you get the third question, which is on the extent to which customers can, particularly if they are distressed, ask for ad hoc renegotiations in construction, or are you able to capture the raw material tailwind for most of 2020?

Tobias Ohler
CFO, Wacker Chemie AG

Sebastian, I will take this one. If you look at overall polymers, we always say that 25% of our business is index-based from our own selling prices linked back to the raw material inputs. Those will definitely move with the decline in raw materials. The 75%, there are some yearly contracts or annual contracts, some semi-annual, some quarterly contracts. On the construction side, we have a firm stance on pricing. I expect the impact more on the volume side than anything else.

Sebastian Bray
Analyst, Berenberg Bank

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Sean McLoughlin of HSBC. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Sean McLoughlin
Analyst, HSBC

Thank you. Just a couple of follow-ups around Charleston and polysilicon. In March, you said that this facility is now qualified for semi. It's ramping up. You're saying today that it's not operating at full capacity, and you're not shipping to China. It's producing semi-grade. Do I understand that you're not shipping to the solar sector now from this facility?

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Yes. We are only shipping limited amount of material out of Charleston. What I meant is, the full capacity of 20,000 tons for solar material is not utilized. On the other hand, this facility is qualified for semiconductor material and is producing semiconductor material at the highest quality.

Sean McLoughlin
Analyst, HSBC

Thank you.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

The customers are not in China.

Sean McLoughlin
Analyst, HSBC

Thank you. Is it fair to say that the capacity of, let's say, this high purity semi-grade would be somewhere nearer to 10 than 20,000?

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

I would say it's below 20,000. Certainly higher than 10.

Sean McLoughlin
Analyst, HSBC

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As there are no further questions, I would like to hand back to you.

Rudolf Staudigl
CEO, Wacker Chemie AG

Thank you, operator. Thank you all for joining us today and for your interest in Wacker Chemie. We're looking forward to further discussions with you as the quarter progresses. Thank you.