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Earnings Call: Q4 2025

Feb 12, 2026

Charlotte Wessman
Director of Marketing and Communications, CapMan

Good morning, and welcome to this presentation of CapMan's full year result 2025. Presenting today, we have Pia Kåll, CEO of CapMan, and after the presentation, we will have a Q&A session, and you are welcome to send in questions at any time using the webcast link. So please, Pia, handing over to you.

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

Thank you, Charlotte, and welcome all. Today's financial results for 2025. CapMan had a very strong year in 2025. We reached new record levels on all key financial metrics. Our assets under management are, for the first time, above EUR 7 billion, and also fee income and fee profit at new record levels. In assets under management, we had a 19% growth during last year, up to EUR 7.2 billion. We took in gross EUR 1.5 billion of new capital, EUR 600 million through our acquisition, EUR 900 million of new raised capital. But with good exits, the net growth then EUR 1.1 billion, but a strong 19% growth. Revenue at EUR 63 million, a 9% growth from last year. Looking at the recurring fee income, an 11% growth, so we have stronger growth. Comparable EBIT up 36% to EUR 25.8 million. It's driven by fee profit growth and strong fair value development in our investments.

During 2025, we also took significant steps in our strategy implementation, and strengthened our focus on real asset investments. In the first quarter of the year, our Hotels II fund doubled in size with the acquisition of Midstar's portfolio, raised an additional EUR 400 million of AUM to the fund. At the end of Q2, early Q3, we completed the partnership and acquisition of Caerus Investments, a German real estate debt manager, one of the pioneers in the industry. With this partnership, we also established real asset debt as a new investment area for CapMan, further strengthening our focus on real assets. At the end of the year in Q4, we held the first close in Natural Capital's flagship fund, European Forest Fund IV, which continues fundraising, aiming to reach a larger size than the predecessor.

With the strong year behind us, the board proposal for the Annual General Meeting is a dividend of EUR 0.12 per share for 2025. Our vision remains to become the most responsible private asset company in the Nordics, and with the investments we do and the value creation in those assets that we do, we are building the society that we want to see in the future. As a responsible owner and investor, our reach in the society is broad. At the end of the year, EUR 5.7 billion of the assets that we manage are in real assets. It's a 30% growth compared to a year ago, and it spans real estate, where we have 258 properties in our funds, developing human-centric, sustainable real estate.

10 portfolio companies in Infra, spanning energy, transportation, and telecom sectors, and a 240,000-hectare portfolio of forest in Natural Capital across eight European countries. In real asset debt, we are the lender to real estate owners, covering 210 properties. Within private equity and Wealth, we are supporting small, mid-sized companies in their growth journeys, a portfolio of 35 portfolio companies with some 10,000 employees. The value drivers in our business is fee profit and carried interest from our fund management, asset management business, and investment returns from our balance sheet investment, primarily invested in our own funds, supporting growth of the asset management business. When we look at last year through these value drivers, fee profit at EUR 7.4 million, 6% growth compared to the previous year.

Carry at EUR 3 million, somewhat down from the previous year, but here we have large fluctuations between the years, depending on when exits take place. On the balance sheet, investments, investment returns returning to normal levels. Our own funds, fair value uplift above 10% last year, and in total, an 8.6% uplift, as the external funds somehow somewhat weighted it down. Fair values of our investment portfolio at EUR 179 million at the end of the year. Looking at fee income and fee profitability, we have an 11% growth in fee income. Here, it's good to note that in 2024, we had quite significant one-time retroactive fees when we had final closings in funds, something that we did not have in 2025. So if we only would compare the really recurring fee income, our fee income growth would be in line with our AUM growth.

Looking at fee profit, 6% growth, we have the same mechanism here, that we had no retroactive fees supporting fee profit in 2025. And if we look at the underlying scalability, our operational expenses remained at the same level as in 2024, except for the addition of Caerus and the Midstar organization then transferred to us. So very strong cost control, and looking at the recurring numbers, very strong scalability that will continue to come through in the numbers. In our balance sheet, we had, at the end of the year, a portfolio of EUR 179 million fair value of a well-diversified portfolio in private assets. At the end of the year, remaining commitments or undrawn commitments to these fund investments, EUR 58 million.

It's an unusually low number, and it will continue to increase when we reach first closes in our ongoing fundraisings and make commitments into those funds. When we look at 2025, we had a positive cash flow from our fund investments, driven by good exits and secondary sales, and when we look ahead, this is a trend we expect to continue, so strong, positive cash flow from our fund investments over the years when the current portfolio matures and exits realize. Looking at the fair value changes of this portfolio, all of our investment areas generated positive fair values during last year, specifically private equity and real estate being strong, and our own fund investments had a fair value uplift of 10.2%. External funds, somewhat lower, and leading to a total of 8.6 or EUR 15.5 million in positive fair value changes.

It is a doubling compared to the previous year. Adding them up, our EBIT components, we reached a comparable EBIT of EUR 25.8 million. It's a 36% growth compared to the previous year, and it is really fee profit growth and the doubling in fair value changes that is driving this EBIT growth. Our balance sheet remains strong. We have an equity ratio of close to 58%, cash and other short-term financial assets at EUR 65 million, and in addition, undrawn credit limit of some EUR 20 million. This balance sheet gives us the opportunity to continue to implement our growth strategy, support the growth of our asset management business, also in this continued uncertain market environment. When we look at the market, there are no drastic changes in the short term.

We are moving in the right direction, but it's still too early to say that the market would properly have turned. Fundraising times have shortened during last year compared to the very long, extended fundraising processes the earlier two years. Transaction market is activating, but again, too early to say if the levels are really sustainable, and they would still need to improve before we could properly say that the fundraising market has turned. At the same time, when we take a midterm or long-term view, the segment we are focusing on, so real asset-focused private market funds, have a very attractive growth outlook, with a double-digit growth expected in assets under management in the market overall. The general market sentiment continues to be uncertain, with higher inflation, higher interest rate expected, and geopolitics driving volatility.

While it creates uncertainty, it's also, in certain ways, favoring private market real asset funds. Investors looking for diversification, there, the private assets are a good source of diversification, and looking for less volatility, asset-backed investments, where you have a more controllable outcomes, controllable cash flows, are also attractive. And against that backdrop, we continue to implement our growth strategy. In 2025, we took significant steps towards our objectives on gross level, adding EUR 1.5 billion of assets under management towards our target of EUR 10 billion, and also significant steps across our CapMan Wins strategic programs. Looking at the assets under management development, 2025 was the second year in a row where we had close to 20% growth year-on-year.

During last year, we added EUR 1.5 billion of new assets under management, EUR 600 million of that through our partnership with Caerus, adding real asset debt to our investment portfolio, and EUR 900 million of new capital raised during the year, primarily into our open-ended real estate funds, Midstar and the Hotels II transaction there being the clearly largest one, but also the other open-ended funds and mandates taking in capital. In addition, we held a first close in our European Forest Fund IV in December, and also our Wealth segment grew strongly last year. With good exits and distributing more than EUR 300 million to our investors, the net growth, then, EUR 1.1 billion, taking us to EUR 7.2 billion at the end of the year. Looking ahead for 2026 and 2027, we have several fundraisings ongoing, flagships across our investment areas.

Within Infra, we are preparing to launch the CapMan Infra III during 2026. In real asset debt, fundraising for Caerus VIII is continuing, and we're also looking at opportunities and exploring the market for Infra-related debt investments. Within Natural Capital, the European Forest Fund IV fundraising continues after the successful first close, end of last year. And in CapMan Nordic Real Estate IV, at the beginning of the year, we have secured the option for the first investment into the fund as a seed investment, supporting fundraising that's ongoing in that fund. For all of these funds, we are looking to raise larger fund size, sizes than the predecessor funds. In addition, the open-ended real estate funds continue to be attractive, and we expect to take in capital also in those during the year, as we have done throughout the previous years.

But in private equity and Wealth, we have Nest and Special Situations raising their next funds, and when we look more into 2027, it starts to be relevant also for growth to come out with their fourth fund. Within Wealth, continue with the investment partners programs, but also their continuously growing product portfolio. So a lot of activity, and succeeding with these will take us to our strategic objective in assets under management. If you look at the assets we manage and the new capital we take in, at the moment, we have some 55% of our assets under management coming from outside of the Nordics, specifically Central Europe, and to some extent, North America.

When we look at the EUR 900 million that we raised during last year, it is a very broad mix, where you have close to 40% coming from Central Europe, outside of the Nordics, a very strong intake from Sweden, especially for our real estate side, and some 20% from our Finnish investors. Taking another cut at the same numbers, we can also see that 60% of the capital we raised come from new investors to CapMan, so we are continuing to broaden our investor base. This is also the result of very long-term work to build the relationships, which is now bearing fruit. So 60% coming from totally new investors to us, and then cross-selling existing investors in one product, also investing in another strategy, some 20%, and re-ups at 20% out of the total.

Still good to note that when we look at individual funds, the re-up rates are clearly high, somewhere around 70%-80% normally. But out of the total mix, 20% last year. When it comes to value creation in our funds, continued strong across all investment areas, with good value uplift across funds. Also, transaction activity got back to more normal levels, active levels. In total, during last year, 10 new platform investments spanning across, especially real estate, where the Nordic real estate markets are offering really attractive opportunities at the moment, so 7 investments out of 10 across our real estate funds. In addition, then, on the private equity side, special situations, Nest and Growth, making new investments in their latest funds. Exit activity, even more active. 15 exits completed last year, and across the board with very strong, stellar returns.

Here, we have private equity being especially active, with buyout exiting in total five companies, but also Growth and Nest making exits from their portfolio. Then several good, really strong exits from real estate, and likewise from the Natural Capital side. In Natural Capital, three different portfolios from Portugal, Latvia, and Lithuania exited during last year. Sustainability work continues hand in hand with the financial value creation. Here, a lot of the data concerning 2025 is still being collected from our portfolio companies and assets, but one highlight already now is the progress on climate, where during last year, real estate validated their net zero targets and also achieved significant reductions in greenhouse gas emission intensity across their properties, 56% down and 80% down in their commercial and residential portfolio, respectively.

When it comes to private equity and Infra also, the share of portfolio companies with their own science-based emission reduction targets in place grew to 21% of the portfolio, from 8% at the beginning of the year. The sustainability work also showing in international benchmarks, where the best results for last year, we have, across the board, improved our ratings in our funds, and we now have five funds with the full 5-star rating and no fund below four. It's a significant step up from 2022, where the best rating we had was three stars, and also less funds being rated back then. None of this would obviously be possible without the fantastic professionals we have at CapMan, and I'm very happy to see that we continue with a very strong employee satisfaction and Inclusion Index.

eNPS last year at 51, and Inclusion Index at 81, both above our target levels. And here, obviously, the heavy lifting and the big thank you also goes to the management group, but also all of the team leaders in our organization for keeping the best people, developing them, and together, making great results. Looking at our long-term financial objectives, we have an objective to grow average annual growth of about 15%. Last year, 11% achieved, but here, looking at the underlying recurring revenue growth, clearly higher. Return on equity, about 20%. Last year landed at 9%. Equity ratio above 50, and we were at 58% at the end of the year. Our distribution policy is to pay sustainable distributions that grow over time, pay more than 70% of the result, excluding fair value changes, and then-...

When we see that we have excess cash in the balance sheet that we don't need for foreseeable growth initiatives and growing the overall business, we all can also distribute that. The board of directors proposed to the Annual General Meeting that the dividend for 2025 is EUR 0.12 per share. When it comes to our outlook for 2026, given the nature of our business, there are a lot of external factors that impact exactly the timing of some when we can record some result items, like fair value changes or carried interest. And given that, what we give an outlook for is the growth of assets under management, where we expect them to continue to grow compared to last year, and fee profit, that is also expected to grow in 2026. Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you, Pia. We also welcome Atte Rissanen, CFO, to the stage. Let's start with our questions. Please?

Speaker 6

Yes, good morning. Sauli from Inderes. About the Natural Capital for first close, can you give us the number?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

We are not disclosing the exact number, but let's put it this way, that the size is such that this, the fund can start to implement its strategy of making significant industrial-size investments in the market.

Speaker 6

Okay. Then about the real estate AUM, it grew some EUR 200 million in Q4. How much of that was net sales to the open-end vehicles, and how much was, like, just, just, you know, value uplifts?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

Majority is new intake.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yeah, majority is, I dare say that more than 90% is new intake. It's practically all.

Speaker 6

Okay, and that goes to open-ended vehicles, right?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yes.

Speaker 6

The social.

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

Open-ended and mandates, yes.

Speaker 6

Yes. Okay. Well, then your AUM went down basically in all other lines. That was due to the exits, right, mostly?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

Yes.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yes.

Speaker 6

Then, about the real estate. Do you have a... In the timeline, you show that the final close would be in the 2020s, end of 2026. Is that really valid, considering the fact that you haven't done first close yet?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

Well, usually the funds are open 12 months from first close, so and we are obviously working towards a first close in the fund.

Speaker 6

When should we expect the first close?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

We are not giving a more exact timeline than it's going on. But what happened there in the beginning of the year is that we have secured the option to make the first investment into the fund, and that is secured, and obviously having a seed deal in the fund is something that is strongly supporting fundraising.

Speaker 6

Okay. Talking about seed investments in the Dasos, you made EUR 10 million commitment for the fourth fund. Is that your total ticket to that fund?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

For the time being, yes.

Speaker 6

Should we look that as a proxy when you are making other flagship investments?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

It's not a proxy, but yes, it can be used as a generalization of those kinds of flagship strategies.

Speaker 6

Yeah, just you know, just trying to get a grasp, like, how much you actually need to invest, since five years ago, in the previous augments, you made some hefty investments there. So EUR 10 million is like peanuts comparing with those numbers, so...

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

It very much depends on the situation and also how we see that we can tactically utilize our balance sheet to facilitate the... support the fundraising.

Speaker 6

Can you talk more about the infrastructure debt option, so to speak?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

That is exactly that. It's an option, so the core of Caerus is real estate debt, and that's also where the eighth fund is being raised. But we are ongoingly exploring the option to expand it into Infra debt, which would be a very natural expansion, given our setup and for real asset debt, in general. So it's a combination of market opportunity, investor appetite, and the right capabilities, getting them into the team.

Speaker 6

That, just to make sure, that would be for the Central European market?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

That would be primarily for the Central Europe or European strategies. With the debt strategies, they tend to be more European than specific into a certain just couple of countries.

Speaker 6

What about... On the same topic, what about the real estate debt in the Nordics when you bought Caerus? You floated the idea that it could be interesting to bring that asset class to the Nordics. Have you moved further with those thoughts?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

So, the mandate Caerus has at the moment in their current funds is actually including also the Nordics. So what has happened since we joined up with Caerus is that their deal flow has significantly increased in the market, and also, of course, their ability to assess the Nordic opportunities with local teams and local understanding of the market here is significantly better. So it is definitely part of the scope.

Speaker 6

Okay. Then, finally, about about the management fees in Q4, they were really high. Were there something something special or like one-offs or something, or is that like, should we look at that as a run rate figure?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

That's a very good proxy for the run rate figure. I mean, there's always some items that may fluctuate quarter to quarter, for example, based on acquisition-related fees or these types of... but nothing that would sort of tilt the picture in the same sense as, for example, a retroactive closing or... not in the same magnitude.

Speaker 6

Should we like maybe more use second half as a proxy since Caerus is most-?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

It's always better to use a longer time period than just a single quarter when it comes to our business.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thank you.

Patrik Setterberg
Senior Analyst of Equity Research, Nordea

Hi, it's Patrik Setterberg from Nordea. Just going back to the high management fee in the quarter, and perhaps the somewhat soft fee profit in the quarter, were there any noticeable cost items apart from bonuses that should not be extrapolated into the future?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

I mean, well, you're correct in looking at the fee profit, but actually, in Q4 versus Q4 last year, fee profit improved, and the profit margin also improved in Q4. But, yes, I mean, in addition to bonuses, other operating expenses, there's always some variability between the quarters, but otherwise, if you look at the personnel expenses, take out the carry-linked bonuses as well as the other items impacting comparability, you should be pretty on a solid level.

Patrik Setterberg
Senior Analyst of Equity Research, Nordea

All right, thank you. Then just going back to the presentation, you mentioned uncertainty. My question relates to that. So what is the current investor sentiment in the market, and are investors still cautious in regards to taking on more risk?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

I would say there's no drastic changes in the market sentiment from the end of the year, so it's clearly easing up, and investors are looking to commit more capital than maybe in the past two years. But it's still too early to say that we would be back in a very strong fundraising market. Exit activity has picked up, distributions have picked up, but we need to see a longer track of that, I think, in the market before we can actually say that the fundraisings and commitments are kind of fully back. But in general, I would say the sentiment starts to be more positive. There's a lot of good ongoing discussions. Investors are clearly looking to allocate throughout the year now.

Patrik Setterberg
Senior Analyst of Equity Research, Nordea

All right. Thank you very much.

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

Thank you.

Speaker 6

I could still continue on the cost. So just to make sure that I understand it this correctly, so you booked the carry on the P&L. It's give or take EUR 4 million-

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Mm-hmm

Speaker 6

... and then you are talking about net carry, which is, like, EUR 3 million.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yes.

Speaker 6

So the delta there, give or take EUR 1 million, it's run through the P&L on the personnel expenses, basically?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yes, those are carry-linked bonuses-

Speaker 6

Yeah

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

... and those are separated. They're in the, when we present the-

Speaker 6

Yeah

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

... APMs in the report.

Speaker 6

Yeah. Just out of curiosity, like, usually the carry-linked bonuses, they run off, off P&L.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yes.

Speaker 6

Why is this like a some historical thing?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yes.

Speaker 6

This is old vintage, obviously.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

This is mainly related to Kokoelmakeskus carry booked in Q4. This is from, in terms of CapMan, an atypical arrangement, but one should take into account that Caerus has basically all of the carried interest that is paid out to the investment team via the P&L, so that is a line item you will continue to see in the future as well.

Speaker 6

You continue to report the net carry, obviously, then?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Net carry, yes-

Speaker 6

Yeah

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

... because it is basically linked-

Speaker 6

Yeah

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

... to the carry and not the fixed personal expenses or related to the fee profit.

Speaker 6

Okay, that's helpful. Then about the costs, obviously, in the first half of 2026, there will be some like year-on-year uplift due to the fact that you made the... you did the Midstar and the Caerus, of course.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 6

But, but, but looking at the H2 next year, what kind of cost pressure are you seeing? Like... Or you can look at the whole 2026, just exclude the Caerus and Midstar.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

I wouldn't say that cost pressure right now is a similar type of topic that it's been maybe during the past couple of years. Of course, there's always cost pressure, but, I think we're maintaining good cost control and look to do so in the future.

Speaker 6

Do you expect your personnel level to stay flattish in 2026?

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

I mean, yes, we are expecting that the scalability of our operations will improve going forward. And, yes, that if there won't be any inorganic moves, then the organic growth of the personnel is... well, should be quite moderate.

Speaker 6

So then finally, what was the number of the employees at the end of 2025? You report the average, but, I mean, the average is due to the structural changes. It's... I guess it's not, not the right, right one to use here.

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

230, I think, is roughly the right number at the end of the year.

Speaker 6

Okay, that's clear. Thank you very much.

Charlotte Wessman
Director of Marketing and Communications, CapMan

Okay, thank you. Then we move over to questions from our online audience. So, we still have some troubled open-ended real estate market in Finland. Are you seeing this potentially creating opportunities for you?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

Definitely, we are looking. I mean, there are opportunities in the market now, both might be because of that, some funds being in trouble, but in general, the markets are very attractive at the moment with valuations that have stabilized. And we also see strong value creation potential going forward. So we are definitely, like you saw from last year as well, with seven new investments, across the real estate portfolio, we are definitely active on the investment side.

Charlotte Wessman
Director of Marketing and Communications, CapMan

Mm-hmm. And you have successfully exited buyout targets. Do you need to activate also, to activate also in Infra exits before launching the next fund?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

... The launch of the next fund is not dependent on exit in Infra. They have a very good track record. They have exit also in the past. But there are companies that are nearing maturity, and we will most likely see some exits over the coming months and 12 months.

Charlotte Wessman
Director of Marketing and Communications, CapMan

A question also regarding real estate. Could you provide any indication, update on the ongoing real estate for fundraising? Is the first close for the fund realistic during first half?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

Like we already answered in one of the questions, so the fundraising is ongoing, and we are definitely targeting a first close this year. We are moving closer to it, as we also have secured the option for the first investment into the fund now in the beginning of the year, so active dialogues there with the investors.

Charlotte Wessman
Director of Marketing and Communications, CapMan

Mm-hmm. And then a question regarding dividend: Why is the dividend down, not in line with the communicated strategy?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

The proposed dividend of EUR 0.12 per share is actually exactly following our dividend policy. So what the policy says is sustainable dividends that grow over time, but not the year-on-year growth as such. What it is is what we're looking at is distributing at least or more than 70% of the profits, excluding fair value changes. And then we're looking at our investment operations and what the need is going forward to support growth and create good returns in our investment portfolio and where we see excess cash or possibility to distribute, that's what we distribute to shareholders. And the EUR 0.12 is a total consideration of this that the board landed at.

Charlotte Wessman
Director of Marketing and Communications, CapMan

Thank you. Any more questions in the room?

Speaker 6

Yeah. Hi, it's Sauli from Inderes. About the, your own fund investments, are you expecting it to go up during the, let's say, let's say, during this fundraising cycle? We are currently at EUR 180 million or so. Since obviously you have some vintages, pretty large ones, coming to exit mode, and at the same time, you need to make seed investments on the new funds.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

It's slightly also depending on, of course, the investment performance, the underlying. If the fair values go up significantly, then that increases. But I'd say that the overall exposure should not be going up. Also, there's a significant part of external fund investments that are not part of the strategy. Those will be or should be, over time, of course, decreasing. And there's no similar type of EUR 30 million oversized commitments, which were made back in 2017, that play a large part right now in the balance sheet. So, this is, of course, very difficult to say how fair values will develop during future years, but it's not in the plans to increase the size of the fund investments.

Speaker 6

Yeah, so if we look at the cash flow basis, then it's definitely... Cash, cash flow basis should be definitely negative since it excludes the fair value, I mean, investments in and, investments-

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yes, so cash flow to CapMan should be-

Speaker 6

Yeah

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

... definitely positive. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 6

If I understood correctly, if I look further than just at this fundraising cycle, let's, let's throw the ball at the end of the decade or so, the fund investments should be clearly lower than right now, since obviously the old, like, the legacy Norvestia stuff is, is-

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yeah

Speaker 6

... cleaned from the balance sheet, so to speak, and then all the large vintages, which you mentioned, are all off the books, right?

Charlotte Wessman
Director of Marketing and Communications, CapMan

That starts to be a pretty long time horizon to guesstimate.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Yes, the relative share will decrease.

Speaker 6

Okay, that's cool. Thank you.

Charlotte Wessman
Director of Marketing and Communications, CapMan

A question here: The management fee had a significant step up from Q3. Could you provide color what was driving this?

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

I think we covered it, the very much real estate funds.

Atte Rissanen
CFO, CapMan

Mm-hmm. Real estate and also Caerus was contributing to that.

Charlotte Wessman
Director of Marketing and Communications, CapMan

Mm-hmm. Okay, then we don't have any more questions, so we thank you very much for today and wish everyone a nice day. Thank you.

Pia Kåll
CEO, CapMan

Thank you.

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