Dear all, warmly welcome virtually to Helsinki, and thank you for tuning in for Kesko Q1 2025 release call. Today's headline is "Stable Performance During the Slowest Quarter of the Year," and it describes well the first quarter. Our agenda today is the following: President and CEO Jorma Rauhala will first give the Q1 presentation. We have here together with us our business division presidents, Ari Akseli for grocery trade, Sami Kiiski for building and technical trade, and Johanna Ali for car trade, as well as our CFO, Anu Hämäläinen. After Jorma's presentation, it is time for questions both by phone and via chat function. All the materials related to Q1 can be found at our web pages, kesko.fi under Investors. My name is Hanna Jaakkola, responsible for IR at Kesko. I will be at your service after the presentation for questions and discussions.
Now, Jorma, the virtual stage is yours. Please.
Thank you, Hanna. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome also on my behalf to this release call. I am Jorma Rauhala, and I have now the pleasure to present Kesko Q1 results. "Stable performance during the slowest quarter of the year" is our headline. Yes, Q1 is seasonally the smallest quarter of the year, and our performance was good despite this seasonality. Now I will give an overview of our business performance and open up elements behind the result. In the end, I'll present the guidance and outlook for 2025, and we are ready for the Q&A. Summary of Q1 2025: Kesko net sales increased and comparable operating profit decreased. In grocery trade, net sales and profit were down as anticipated due to timing of Easter and the implementation of the price program.
In building and technical trade, sales picked up, especially in the B2B segment in building and home improvement trade in Finland, Denmark, and Norway. In car trade, net sales and profit increased. A balanced and comprehensive product and service portfolio supports the good performance in car trade in changing market conditions. Acquisition of Roslev Trælasthandel was completed at the end of January. Danish competition authorities approved the acquisition of C.F. Petersen & Son without conditions. The acquisition is expected to be completed tomorrow. The profit guidance remains unchanged for this year. Comparable operating profit for the year is estimated to be in the range of EUR 640 million-EUR 740 million. Net sales in Q1 totaled over EUR 2.8 billion. It was up by EUR 68 million. Net sales increased in building and technical trade and in car trade. Rolling 12 months, net sales increased to nearly EUR 12 billion.
In Q1, comparable operating profit was EUR 95.6 million, and operating margin was 3.4%. Comparable operating profit increased in building and technical trade and in car trade, and decreased in grocery trade. Rolling 12 months operating profit was EUR 646.2 million, and operating margin was 5.4%. Return on capital employed was 11%. Return on capital employed increased slightly in car trade, was flat in building and technical trade, and decreased in grocery trade compared to the year-end. Financial position: There was a seasonal increase in working capital that impacted cash flow in Q1. The main reasons affecting the operative cash flows were: increased inventory in building and technical trade as we were preparing for the upcoming season. In car trade, there was an inventory of hundreds of rental cars up for delivery in Q2, and also new cars waiting for delivery.
In grocery trade, cash flow was impacted by calendar, as the last day of the quarter was Monday, while last year it was Sunday. There are typically large outpayments on Mondays. Also, inventory growth affected the cash flow. Net debt to EBITDA was 1.6, below our maximum target 2.5. We continued to invest in growth, and the main CapEx was the Roslev acquisition, the construction of Onninen and K-Auto's shared logistics center in Hyvinkää, Finland, and store site investments in grocery trade. In comparison period, there was a real estate arrangement in the store site investments and Davidsen acquisition. IT investments were EUR 3.1 million. A large amount of IT investments are classified as OpEx instead of CapEx. We have a clear focus on improving our digital capabilities throughout the company. Other investments include, among the other things, logistics center Onnela. Expenses: Expenses were up mainly due to the acquisitions.
The largest item increase in the costs was the personnel expenses. Approximately half of the increase in personnel expenses came from the Danish acquisitions and half from the salary increases. Now, the grocery trade. There was an expected profit impact from the timing of Easter and the price investments. In Q1, net sales totaled EUR 1.5 billion and decreased by EUR 29 million. The most significant reason behind the decline was the timing of Easter this year compared to last year. Kesko's net sales declined by 0.5%. Rolling 12 months net sales totaled over EUR 6.4 billion. In grocery trade, comparable operating profit for Q1 was EUR 72.8 million, and it declined by EUR 9.7 million. The comparable operating profit declined as expected due to the timing of Easter and price program implementation. Kesko's operating profit declined by EUR 1.4 million. Profitability was 4.9%.
Rolling 12 months operating profit was EUR 428 million, and operating margin was 6.7%. In grocery trade, sales and profit were impacted especially by the timing of Easter, which is the second most important sales season for the division. This year, Easter was in April, whereas in 2024 it was in March. K-Group grocery sales decreased by 1.4%. Kesko's net sales decreased by 0.5%, but still exceeded market growth. K-Citymarket Non-Food sales decreased by 1.3%. The price program launched in January showed good results, but as expected, it had a negative impact on profit. Online grocery sales increased by 5.6%. The total grocery market growth was flat year on year. Grocery price inflation in Finland was approximately 1.8% according to Statistics Finland. Customer flows continued to grow thanks to the price program and campaigns, but the average purchase decreased.
In grocery trade, we are aiming for a market share turnaround. The decline in K-Group's market share slowed down in 2024. According to Nielsen IQ, the research is published once a year and is the widest market share research. K-Group's market share in 2024 was 33.7% compared to 34.3% in 2023. Our market share in online grocery is about 40%. Withdrawal from the Neste K service station business and closure of smaller K-Market stores had an over 0.2 percentage point negative impact on market share, but a positive impact on profit. In 2024, the total number of K-Group grocery stores decreased by 80 units, of which 65 were Neste K stores. According to Nielsen IQ statistics, growth in grocery trade has been driven by larger stores.
If we look at the first quarter of 2025, K-Group's market share development was in line with the market in the hypermarket segment, which indicates that our actions, including the price program, are working well. The market share turnaround in grocery trade focuses on quality, price, and store network. To improve quality, store-specific business ideas are being refined with investments, particularly in certain departments like bread and fruit and vegetables. Extensive relevant selections are created by data and AI, and digital services are being developed to make everyday life easier. The price program launched in January includes affordable everyday products. Prices have been cut on 1,200 popular products. There are also relevant campaigns and personalized benefits. Kesko and retailers invest jointly approximately EUR 50 million to the prices in 2025. Store-specific price investments are also being made depending on the market situation.
Investments in the store site network include 30 new store openings and 92 stores renewed between 2024 and 2025. There is a particular investment focus on hypermarkets, with eight new or replacement K-Citymarket stores planned by 2028. Annual investments are expected to be around EUR 200 million-EUR 250 million in the whole grocery store site network. In building and technical trade, pickup in building and home improvement trade supported sales and profit. In building and technical trade, net sales increased by EUR 69 million to EUR 1 billion. The increase was supported by the Danish acquisition, but net sales increased in comparable terms too, by 3.6%. Rolling 12 months, net sales were over EUR 4.4 billion. The timing of Easter supported the sales, as there were more trading days in March and less holidays.
Comparable operating profit for the building and technical trade division totaled EUR 11.7 million, and operating margin was 1.1%. Rolling 12 months operating profit was EUR 174 million, and operating margin was 3.9%. Comparable operating profit increased thanks to positive profit development in building and home improvement business and the Danish acquisitions. Building and technical trade highlights for the first quarter. We can see the construction cycle turning. Demand is stronger, especially in building and home improvement trade. Growth in K-Rauta sales in Finland has been driven by B2B sales, with a significant increase, especially in sales of heavy construction materials. The growth in Timber, for example, was double-digit. The B2C trade has also picked up. Sales for Onninen Finland fell short of the comparison period, but also in technical trade.
If we look at the product lines, we can see the HVAC products and certain electrical products picking up in Onninen Finland. These are the products that are used in the early phase of construction. For our customers as well as ourselves, the amount of tender requests for projects and product prices have clearly increased. Building and home improvement trade sales in Denmark and Norway have increased, with Onninen Norway also reporting higher sales. Technical trade sales in Sweden are clearly up. The converted-to-K-Rauta store ramp-up is still ongoing and affecting the sales. Sales in Poland have slightly declined. Sales of heavy construction materials are up in building and home improvement trade. Other product categories like decoration typically follow with a slight delay. Post-cyclical technical trade usually picks up some six months after a turnaround in building and home improvement B2B sales. Credit risks are well under control.
Write-downs of overdue trade receivables totaled EUR 0.3 million. Kesko Senukai did not report its final results schedule. In Kesko Q1 2025, reporting the share of the result from Kesko Senukai is EUR 0 million, compared to minus EUR 0.4 million the year before. In this picture, we can see K-Rauta's and Onninen sales development in Finland since 2019. We have showed this picture many times already, and here you can see the Q1 development too. K-Rauta is the market leader in building and home improvement business in Finland and Onninen in technical trade. K-Rauta having over 50% market share and Onninen a bit less than 50%. This picture describes the Finnish building and technical trade market well. We can clearly see now the late cyclical nature of Onninen business, lagging a bit behind K-Rauta. Last year, it went surprisingly hand in hand.
For the Q2 2025, the quarter has started as expected, and especially B2C trade has grown clearly. This is Byggmakker sales development. Norway is our second largest operating country, and Byggmakker is among the largest players in the market. After several quarters of weak development, the Q1 sales development has been clearly improving. For Q2, Easter had a significant effect in Norway. In March, we had two trading days more in 2025, and in April, two days less. Also in Norway, there is a significant amount of holidays around Easter affecting B2B activity. For the whole division, as we have been saying for a long time, we estimate that the construction cycle turns in 2025. We are now seeing the clear positive turn in building and home improvement trade, and we estimate that the technical trade will follow in H2.
Car trade Q1: strong position in different areas of car trade supported profit development. In car trade, net sales for Q1 increased by EUR 28 million and were EUR 314 million. Net sales increased in all businesses: new cars, used cars, and services, as well as in sports trade. Rolling 12 months net sales were over EUR 1.2 billion. The comparable operating profit totaled EUR 17.9 million and increased by EUR 1.5 million year on year. Operating margin was 5.7%. Rolling 12 months operating profit was over EUR 70.8 million, and operating margin was 5.7%. Car trade highlights in Q1: market demand for new cars stayed muted, and Q1 first registration of passenger cars and vans were down by 7%. First registration of brands represented by Kesko were up by 15.1% in Q1.
Net sales and comparable operating profit grew clearly despite the challenging market, thanks to the strong new car sales in particular. New car sales continued to grow, thanks to the good sales of Volkswagen models ID.4 and ID.7. This is what we mean by balanced business portfolio. Last year, the growth came especially from used cars, and now the growth is coming from new cars. We are the only operator in the market that has such a strong position in both new and used cars, as well as services. Services include, among other things, servicing, damage repairs, tires as spare parts, and on top of that, EV charging and leasing too. In Q1, used car and service sales also grew too. Net sales and comparable operating profit grew also in sports trade. Profit guidance and outlook for 2025 remains unchanged.
Profit guidance for 2025: Kesko Group's profit guidance is given for the year 2025 in comparison with the year 2024. Kesko's operating environment is estimated to improve in 2025, but to still remain somewhat challenging. Kesko's comparable operating profit is estimated to improve in 2025. Kesko estimates that its comparable operating profit in 2025 will amount to EUR 640 million-EUR 740 million. The profit guidance is based on an estimate of a gradually improving economic cycle in all Kesko operating countries. Key uncertainties impacting Kesko's outlook are developments in consumer confidence, investment appetites, as well as geopolitical crises and tensions. The outlook for the current year. In grocery trade, B2C trade, and the food service market are estimated to remain stable.
In 2025, the comparable operating margin for the grocery trade division is estimated to stay clearly above 6%, despite the investments in price and the store site network in accordance with Kesko's strategy for 2024-2026. In building and technical trade, the cycle is expected to improve in 2025 from the historically low levels. Profitability in the building and technical trade division is estimated to improve in 2024. In car trade, the market for new cars is expected to stay at a low level. Demand for used cars and services is estimated to remain good. Profitability for the car trade division is estimated to remain at a good level in 2025, despite weak demand for new cars. This was my presentation. To summarize, the year has started off as expected.
Of course, Kesko is not immune to the global uncertainties, and especially consumer and business confidence are important, but it's good to bear in mind that we are not an exporter. The clear majority of the products we sell are from Finland or Nordics and elsewhere from the European Union. Despite the turbulence, I am positive and confident about the current year. We see construction recovering, and we see positive development in grocery trade too. Our strategic actions, like the price program, are working well. We see the first signs of recovering market share development, but it takes time to see the full effect. Also, car trade is doing very well. I see the market situation in all three divisions better this year compared to last year. I guess it's time for questions now.
Thank you, Jorma, for your presentation, and let's take the questions.
Now we first turn to the conference call line. Please, the stage is yours.
If you wish to ask a question, please dial #5 on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial #6 on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Calle Loikkanen from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for taking my questions. I was wondering about the grocery trade and the price program. Is there any way for you to quantify the impact of the program on the segment's result or margin?
Thank you for your question. Of course, I would say that there are three main reasons for grocery EBIT performance. The first one is, of course, our price program. The second one is Easter, timing of Easter.
It is good to bear in mind that this year Easter was mid-April. Both wholesale and retail sales came from April, and last year it was opposite. The third one is Kespro, who was at EUR 1.5 million negative. Those three elements are the most important, but it was really much what we expected.
Okay, but you do not want to kind of elaborate on the impact of the price program itself?
No, not exactly. Of course, Ari, maybe you can tell a little bit more about how the price program has all in all worked.
Yeah, thank you for the question. It has started well. If you think about the share of these discounted products, it is increasing by double digits, which actually tells that these are meaningful products for the consumers.
At the same time, because they are in the lower prices, you are getting less sales at the moment. In the long term, if you look at how the development has gone on, it seems very promising. Especially when we are aiming in the long term that we have a bigger shopping basket.
Okay, okay, that's very helpful. That's very helpful. I was wondering about the kind of the timing of the impacts from this program on margins. Is it fair to assume that the negative impact is the largest in Q1, and that the impact kind of decreases over time as you get more traffic and more volumes and so on?
I don't know, Ari, do you have anything for that?
All in all, I see that it has started as we expected, and all in all, if you look at the whole year, we are very confident that our EBIT level will be clearly above 6%.
The price program continues, and if you look at the future, it's difficult to estimate how it affects. I think that, however, the amount of the investment will not exceed. It's very well organized, and I think that in the long term, when customers start to trust the price level, they will increase the average shopping basket, so the impact starts to be less negative.
Okay, thank you. I was wondering about, you mentioned in the presentation that in Q1, your market share was unchanged in the hypermarkets segment. I was wondering about how about the other store segments? How did the market share develop there?
Yes, all in all, if you look at this first quarter, month by month, our performance has improved. Especially March was quite promising, and if you look at the whole quarter, kind of hypermarket segment, as we call Citymarket, was in line with our hypermarket competitors. If we also bear in mind that our store network is not so much positive, not even in the hypermarket segment. That was very promising when it comes to hypermarket, and in kind of supermarket and market segment, we lost a little bit of market share. All in all, month by month, our performance improved, and now we can say that also April, Easter time, has been quite promising.
Okay, thank you. That's good to hear.
The final question for me, building and technical trade, I was wondering, was Q1 a positive surprise for you in terms of growth, or had you been expecting the market to turn already now in Q1?
I would say that it was pretty much what we expected. All in all, if you look at Finland as an example, we remember that 2021-2022 were very strong years. K-Rauta, as the first one, the sales started to decrease. It was the third quarter in 2022. Onninen followed six months later. It was the second quarter of 2023. Very, very weak 2023-2024. We reached the bottom, let's say, last summer. Kind of we reached the bottom, and then figures started to improve a little bit, still negative, but not so much.
As we have also said earlier, we believe that especially this first half of the year, our comparable figures are quite weak. Now we can see that there is a clear sales improvement in building and home improvements, especially in K-Rauta, in B2B side, but also in B2C side. We can see those signs that Onninen will follow. We can also see that the amount of tender requests has increased, and we believe that the second half of this year, also Onninen, we can see the positive sales figures already. It can be even earlier. It has been really much what we expected, and also same pattern in all the other countries. Denmark has been very strong, but also Norway has been quite nice.
We have improved, and we have been, when it comes to sales growth on the market level, and quite positive also in Norway.
Okay, thank you. That's very helpful. That's all for me. Thank you very much.
The next question comes from Maria Wikström. Please go ahead.
Yes, thank you for the presentation, Jorma. I just wanted to double-check one thing, as I think in the summary slide, you mentioned that you have started this gain market share. I thought you referred to the grocery retail, but then you all commented earlier that you expected the grocery trade market in Finland to have been flat in Q1, and your sales to K-retailers declined by 1.8%. Can you really get us clarity on what you meant by your comment in the summary section, please?
All in all, I'm not sure what you mean, but if you look at the first quarter, we lost a little bit of market share, and month by month, our performance was better. We lost some market share in the first quarter. In the hypermarket sector, if you look at the first quarter, we were in line with our competitors in the hypermarket sector. That is very promising. As I mentioned, also April Easter time looks very promising. Of course, we haven't seen yet the figures, but all in all, we lost some market share, but the hypermarket sector, which is very important, especially when it comes to the price program, we are in line when it comes to competitors. Ari, would you like to continue?
Yeah, and like Jorma mentioned earlier, if you look at the hypermarket segment, it is the most critical in the market. Actually, the comparable sales of our sales development was better than competitors. Yes, because of store. Because of store side.
A bit more. If you look at a longer perspective, in 2023, we lost a bit more, and then less in 2024, and now we can see the development, positive development there.
Still work to do, but there are some positive elements we are seeing now.
Okay, thank you. I just wanted to be clear on this one, that I'm on the same page. I wanted to ask on the building and technical trade, where the adjusted EBIT was up EUR 4.9 million, that how much of this EUR 4.9 million was from the first consolidated Danish acquisition? Sami, do you remember?
If you look at the first quarter, what I remember, of course, K-Rauta Finland was a strong one. Of course, Davidsen was a strong one. In Norway, we have a good performance. Would you like to continue?
Yes, it is coming from the builders' merchant business, and like Jorma said, Finland and Norway and Denmark, but not only through acquisitions.
Yes.
Are you, Maria, referring to that latest Roslev acquisition in Denmark, which we included into our figures first of February?
Yes.
That was a negative one. That was negative because there were these fair value allocations. No positive yet in Q1, but it will be going forward.
Yes, Davidsen was positive, but not this. Not Roslev. Yes, that is true.
Perfect. I mean, that is very clear. I wanted to hear your comments.
I mean, given we clearly, I mean, you showed us the chart of K-Rauta, then Onninen performance. I mean, yes, I mean, there are some calendar impacts on the Easter, but do you think, I mean, there is a role of a quite nice March weather playing into a game that, I mean, a lot of the projects have started earlier than they would have last year? How would you compact the weather impact?
Sami, would you like to comment on that one?
Yes, it's a little bit divided message. Of course, in Finland, because we didn't have winter, we were lacking a lot of consumer winter products. That was a quarter one, mainly also that we lost some sales there. I would say that particularly in Denmark, the whole market first quarter was growing 7.5%.
There we can see that maybe some of the construction work was started earlier, and we were doing better than market also clearly in Denmark. I would say a little bit divided message. In Finland, we do not see so much effect about this winter. Might be some infra, but in big picture, not so much.
Perfect. Finally, I think you gave a quite good answer, but I just wanted to double-check that if I read you right, I mean, you did not see that you have much direct impact from the potential tariffs. It is more, I mean, the impact what could come from sentiment changes.
Yes, exactly. Exactly, that is the case.
Perfect. I have no further questions. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
The next question comes from Miika Ihamäki from DNB Markets. Please go ahead.
Thank you for the presentation.
On building and technical trade, can you also talk about your expectations of synergies of these recent acquisitions? Should we expect anything into this year?
Maybe I can start, and sorry, Sami, you can then continue. Of course, I think what we have also mentioned earlier, most synergies, when we are doing those acquisitions, are happening inside one country. There are not so much synergies between countries. Now we have Davidsen and Roslev. Tomorrow, 1st of May, we will have also this C.F. Petersen & Son. We know that Tømmergaarden looks also very promising. Most probably we quite fast will inform about that also. There will be synergies, especially when it comes to sourcing prices, when we, of course, combine those volumes because our volume will be doubled. Those kind of synergies we will get already this year.
Of course, there can be some extra costs when we are having one organization, when we are having one common ERP system and things like that. I would say that both sides, there will be synergies already this year, but also maybe some extra costs. All in all, Denmark looks very promising. Very promising. Sammy, would you like to continue something?
Thanks, Mika. Good question. It's like Jorma said, those are the innovation synergies, and there might be some dissynergies always as well also. Of course, we need to remember that we are becoming a national-wide player. There's some logistics which we see that we can serve more efficiently and much better our, let's say, national-wide customers, but also some of the customers, for example, in Zealand or Copenhagen area. These are also innovation synergies and important synergies.
Of course, then that we can serve our customers in general better. Of course, like Jorma said also, we believe that there are some synergies coming through purchases also, but some cost synergies. Maybe we come back to those later on. It looks promising, like Jorma said, and the market is picking up also in Denmark.
Okay, thank you. If you could follow up with an update on your construction in Hyvinkää, the logistics center that is due to be completed still this year, giving you some efficiencies there. Will there be any financial impact on the numbers this year, or is it a ladder tilted to 2026-2027? How should we think about this?
I would say so that there will be some extra costs this year when we are having two central warehouses, but that includes our guidance.
Those synergies and those efficiencies, we will get, I would say that starting next year, or is it so, Sami? 2026, I would say.
Yeah, quarter one, quarter two. Like I said, those are in the business case and our guidance, but it will be so that there will be more costs involved during this year when we are building the capabilities and hiring the people and so on. Next year, we will see more efficiency coming through, of course.
Right. Maybe if I may, last one on Sweden's profitability. You've been closing there several K-Rauta stores and technical trade now picked up in the first quarter. Can you just comment, was the operation profitable, or are we still seeing weakness there?
Sweden. You mean Sweden?
Yes.
Sorry, can you repeat the question?
What was the question? The question in short was that was Sweden profitable in building and technical trade?
We do not give country-specific profit numbers. Maybe if you have another question about Sweden, we can answer.
I can comment that last time when we were here, we commented on some issues we have in Norway and also in Sweden. I could say that in Norway, both sides, Byggmakker and Onninen technical trade, look now promising. We have solved those issues. Now the profit improvement is quite nice. In Sweden, we still have work to do. All in all, K-Bygg is doing okay, but we have some problems with those eight stores that we are still converting from K-Rauta to K-Bygg. They are not performing as well as we expected.
It is good to mention that it is our smallest country, smallest business, only eight stores. It is kind of a limited problem, but we will solve that one. Norway is very promising and a good performance, but still work to do in Sweden.
Okay, great. That is all from my side.
The next question comes from Rob Joyce from BNP Paribas Exane. Please go ahead.
Hi, thanks very much for taking the questions. First one, just in the grocery space, you referenced market inflation at around 1.8% in the period. Can you give us an idea of your own internal inflation and how that compares maybe to Q4 last year, please?
About inflation, Ari?
Yeah, if we talk about food inflation in market, it was 1.8%, if I remember correctly. Food inflation in ours is much lower because we had this price program and we actually discounted the prices.
I can't give the exact numbers, but that's
okay, but closer to flat.
Yeah, it's closer to flat.
Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you. Very clear. The second one is just in the building and technical, Poland looks like a bit of a standout as actually going negative comp sales in the period. I just wondered if there's anything you'd flag on the Polish market, what's going on there and what the outlook for the year is.
Sami, about Poland market, how you see it?
Yeah, thanks, Rob. Good question. Poland, the market actually first two months, so market is minus 2% and we are doing a bit better than market in Poland. The market is actually looking a little bit soft in Poland. We are doing pretty well there. I would say that it's a little bit too early also.
Like I said, it's a quarter one also. There is a small quarter and maybe too early to make adjustments for the whole year. Okay. Sounds like a bit of a change. It was very strong last year, right? Sort of slowed down quite a bit. It was, but if I remember correctly, it was also so that the first quarter was a little bit also soft and then it started to pick up a little bit better and we were performing well there. It might be a little bit the same story, but it's also in Poland so that the availability of money and also the interest rate is highest in our target markets or countries where we are operating. We are a little bit also, or there's a forecast that the interest rates might go down also during the spring or summer.
That might be the positive or will be the positive effect, of course, then. If the availability of money is getting better for the construction business, then it might be more positive than we see now.
Understood. Thank you. Sorry, just a quick loop back on grocery. Is my understanding then if we X out Easter, probably a -2%, -3%, you think volumes would be up in the grocery business?
I think that it will be at least 3% better impact for the volumes also in Easter time because people are buying generally better food, bigger baskets in the Easter.
Thank you very much.
Very good. Thank you, Kalle, Maria, Mika, Rob for good questions from the conference call. I will now have a couple of questions here from the chat function. First, Arttu is asking about the Easter too, like Rob was asking.
Grocery trade's Easter sales, is Easter sales generally more profitable than average sales? This way, the declining grocery trade's profit would not be driven only by the declining volumes during Easter. Arttu Heikura Inderes asking.
Okay, like I mentioned earlier, it's true that people are buying bigger baskets and more quality products for the Easter. You can generally say that it's more profitable. Also, during the Easter time, there are lots of campaigns and prices discounted. It's like a mix of these two effects.
Thanks, Ari. Svante Krokfors asking, could you elaborate on the Senukai late reporting? Senukai posted a minus EUR 0.4 million contribution last year in Q1. Is it fair to expect that the actual numbers are not materially worse than zero?
Yes, okay. What comes to Kesko Senukai, as we mentioned, they did not report their financials as scheduled.
Of course, it's also clear that we still have some disagreements with the other owner and what comes to management and the strategy of the company. We are actively seeing a solution to this situation. All in all, Kesko Senukai joint venture I was shared was last year. It was EUR 20 million. This first quarter was last year minus EUR 0.4. Now we are reporting that as a zero. We do not expect anything because we have not got those actual figures yet.
Very good. Thank you, Jorma. I guess that was all. That was all the questions. Thank you, everybody. I wish you all the greatest 1st of May. Any final comments or thoughts, Jorma, for the audience?
Yes, thank you. Thank you for the question and discussion.
All in all, what we have mentioned, the first quarter, of course, is the quiet quarter, clearly the quiet quarter of our business. All in all, it was pretty much what we expected. To be honest, I'm quite confident what comes to the future. Thank you all and have a nice day and a 1st of May. Thank you.