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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Feb 9, 2023

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Jouni Toijala. I'm the Group CEO for Revenio. Welcome to Q4 earnings call. With me, we have here as well our Group CFO, Robin Pulkkinen. Agenda for today is following. I'll start by going through the business highlights of the quarter, Q4, plus for the full 2022. Robin is going to do a bit more deeper dive for numbers. Robin is going to go through the P&L balance sheet, also the shareholder structure, and we finish up with the financial guidance for this year and of course, with the Q&A. Let's move to the highlights of the year. Very, very strong finish for the year 2022.

If you go back to Q4, imaging devices selling extremely well, especially in the USA. If you go back to the earlier calls, what we have said earlier is that if the fundus imaging market is roughly $500 million, especially in the USA, we have still plenty of room to grow as we are a bulk part of 5% market share in the USA. Still of plenty of room to grow, the Q4 was extremely strong on the imaging side in the USA. That said, also the tonometers were growing in the USA as well, in the Europe, Middle East and Africa region. Good news from the iCare ILLUME.

If you go back to the Q2 last year, we launched the new iCare ILLUME platform for the retinal screening. That included the DRSplus, plus the ILLUME, plus third-party AI algorithm. We have been now doing quite many pilots during the second half of 2022. We have managed to close now also the first clients during the Q4, and now the deliveries are ongoing. Also, if looking the December last year, I'm especially happy about the operations team and our manufacturing partners and their ability actually to ship everything. We got a really a lot of orders still on December, even between the Christmas and the New Year, and we were actually able to deliver all orders last year.

That's really good. If going to the market conditions, overall, not too many red flags currently related to overall eye care market, but of course, some uncertainties related to geopolitical situation plus the cost inflation. Otherwise, I mean, if looking the overall eye care market, that seems to be steady. If moving to the Q4 numbers, Robin is going to go these ones through in more detail. Net sales totaled EUR 28.3 million, that's an increase of 18.8%. If we take the currency adjusted growth, that was 16.1%. If you go back to the earlier quarters, we had a big tailwind from the U.S dollar-euro exchange rate.

The tailwind 5.4 million in the first three quarters, that started to settle down a bit. We got the tailwind from the FX only EUR 600 thousand during the Q4. Operating profi t up 31.3%. So, the Euros terms EUR 9.3 million. I have to remind you that 2021 Q4, we had this EUR 600,000 impairment related to Cutica. That's good to keep in mind. EBITDA grew 19.4%, good cash flow again during the Q4 and leading to the EPS of EUR 0.214.

Moving out from Q4 to the full year of 2022. Net sales EUR 97 million, EUR 3 million shy of EUR 100 million, increase of 23.1%. If we take the currency adjusted numbers, growth rate was 16.4%. Operating profit grew up 34.3%, leading to EUR 29.7 million. Here I have to remind you as well that if you take a full year, 2021, we had the Oculo non-recurring acquisition costs in plus the EUR 600k Cutica impairment. Let's keep that one in mind. EBITDA grew 28.7%.

Cash flow was up to EUR 23.2 million out from EUR 21.5 million, and EPS a bit more than EUR 0.80. Extremely good year for us. If recapping couple of business highlights from the last year. First, I really have to start from the sales. If you look the diagnostic device market in general, that's growing roughly less than 5%. It's less than 5% than if you look our growth, we were growing roughly 4x compared to the market. That's really good. Reason for that one is that we are having a really competitive imaging portfolio. Here I'm referring to the EIDON family plus also DRS+. Then tonometers.

Growth was good also on the tonometer side. We launched the new HOME2. We got the FDA approval earlier about one year ago. Also last year, November, so, 2022 November, we actually got the IC200 registrations also for China. Tonometers have been growing well last year. We launched the iCare ILLUME solution, and now we are starting the first commercial deliveries as well. Really the highlight, which I mentioned already on the Q4 side, but we have been able to deliver really well during the last year. This is not really the self-evident thing.

The manufacturing partners, operations department, they have been doing the excellent work in order to be able to ship all the orders. We have been really active on the ESG side, doing the EcoVadis surveys, Upright surveys, and now, part of the 2022 package, we are going to then launch the new ESG report as well. Let's before going to the numbers, so couple of words related to organization change. We changed the organization about a week ago, and the goal here was to build more product and customer-led organization. We did four changes. First change was that we decided to bring all product management activities, all marketing activities, and brand activities in a one unit. Tomi Karvo is going to lead this unit.

We had the R&D in the two different places inside the organization. We actually bought all the R&D resources under one unit. We took the hardware, embedded software, plus all the cloud R&D under one unit. That's a really good thing. Giuliano Barbaro is still going to run that one until the end of June. The third change what we did, we didn't have strategy and business development function in a group level. We established that unit, and Kate Taylor is going to run that one. Last, but definitely not least, John Floyd. John is going to lead the global sales.

John has been working for us already 13 years, so he was the first person in the USA. He has been building from the scratch roughly $50 million business for us in the USA. John is now going to be part of the leadership team and bringing all the client insights what he is having also into the group level. That's extremely good news. That's about the changes in general and the highlights for the Q4 and 2022. Over to you, Robin. Let's go through the financials next.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Thanks, Jouni. Excellent year, excellent finish for the year. Like Jouni mentioned, Jouni went through the sales a bit here. For the full year, EUR 3 million shy of EUR 100 million, 23% growth. Like Jouni said, the FX had a really big play backwind for us for the first three quarters. Now for the last quarter, like you can see, the reported and organic growth are not that far apart any longer. That has been slowing down. Gross margin improvement also very positive. There has been price increases, but so there has been also component cost increases. Overall, our gross margin almost EUR 70 million for the year, improvement from 70.8% to almost 72%.

If you look at the operating expense, it's roughly 1% lower from the revenue last year compared to year before. If you take out the Oculo acquisition costs from the comparable number, the kind of the operating cost share kind of part from the revenue is pretty much the similar level that it was earlier. The adjusted operating profit, if you look at that going up roughly a percentage, it's mostly driven by the gross margin going up. We have also the EBITDA and the EBIT, actually looking at the adjusted EBIT here. We did...

Just as a reminder for 2021, there's EUR 0.7 million of Oculo transaction fees as well as EUR 0.6 million for the Cutica write-down for Q4 of 2021, which we've adjusted here out in the adjusted EBIT line. Basically here when you look for the full year, for last year just as a reminder, there's no adjustment for last year numbers. Only 2021 numbers are being adjusted. The EBIT for the full year, almost EUR 30 million, up 26.8%, 30.6% of revenue compared to just under 30% in 2021. EPS, EUR 0.818 for the year. Net gearing, also the balance sheet in a really strong condition. The net gearing has gone down to -13.

Equity ratio, record high, since the acquisition of CenterVue, almost 67%. Cash flow, very good for a year, and the headcount has gone up over the year. Now we're average Q4 headcount, 205 people. On the P&L, some of you have already been noticing that there's been the financial expenses are quite high. There's roughly $700,000 of kind of dollar-based exchange loss from the balances that we have on the bank account. If you look at Q3, the Euro-U.S dollar exchange rate was 0.97, roughly. In end of Q4, it's basically 10% higher, 1.07. Out of revaluating those cash reserves in dollars, that's the reason behind the cost.

Also, of course, the bank loan interest rates have gone up, those interest rates have also increased during the quarter. Next. The sales for a few years back, the trend is very similar what we've used to seeing. The Q4 has been the best quarter for us as long as I've been in the company, at least for the last seven years. It's kind of more U.S-based, the rest of the world is more flat, but especially in the U.S, there's quite a bit of seasonality. Here also just mentioning the. For the full year, there's roughly EUR 6 million of FX gains that we have in the P&L or the top line.

Just on the FX as half of our business is in dollars, the 2022 average EUR-USD was 1.05, and in 2021 it was 1.18. That kind of gives an idea why there's so much FX gains. Looking at where we are now, we started last year in 1.13, January 2022, 1.13, and we're now moving around 1.07, 1.08. Looking at the revenue in dollars, in this first quarter is probably gonna be a little bit FX gain also there when starting this year. 2022, it came down pretty fast. I think that if the exchange rate stays where it is now, it's probably gonna go down the gains towards the end of the year.

The operating profit, similar when you look at the revenue, the business model is very scalable for us. When you have strong revenues, you have strong profits. Looking at the profitability level from the earlier years, just the 2020 when the COVID year, in the start of the COVID, the OpEx and the expenses and everybody was sitting home, no travel, no trade shows, the costs were pretty low. The profitability levels back then were quite extraordinary, and nothing, something that you should be too worried at that why are we lower than there because basically there was nothing much other cost than salaries and kind of R&D fees. Cash flow, here also a very familiar trend. We always start the year off a bit softer.

All our group-wide compensation systems are paid out in the first quarter, which always draws down the cash flow there. Also, it's typically the weakest quarter of the year in revenue and profitability. We start off normally pretty soft, and we end up with a strong finish for the year. During the whole year, cash reserves increased by EUR 7 million, roughly. We did pay out dividend last year, roughly, EUR 9 million. The dividend payout for what the broad board is most likely gonna propose to the AGM is gonna be the EUR 0.36, which means basically EUR 9.6 million being paid out. The cash balance at the end of the year, EUR 32 million, and that's up by EUR 7 million from a year back.

Equity ratio, very strong, record high for last year. If you recall, before the CenterVue acquisition, it was higher, but the whole balance sheet looked very different back then. Since the 2019, it's the highest it's been. The net gearing also, highly negative. Our kind of cash reserves are roughly EUR 12 million, I think, higher than the interest-bearing debt that we have on the balance sheet. Very good, very strong position. Shareholders, there actually hasn't been much change in Q3. Small ones. The foreign ownership is actually, it's 53.41 now. It was 53.63. Just two decimals, lower actually now. What the changes or the names on the top 10 list is exact same. There's one change, so Vanguard and Capital Group switched places.

Capital Group sold a little bit. Vanguard and Demant have been increasing their ownership. Other than that, it's pretty stable for the last three months. In our guidance, Revenio Group's exchange rate adjusted net sales are estimated to grow strongly from the previous year, and profitability excluding non-recurring items is estimated to remain at a good level. That's it for me.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Yeah, that's it. Thank you, Robin. Let's move for the Q&A.

Operator

Question, please dial star five on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial star five again on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Nikko Ruokangas from SEB. Please go ahead.

Nikko Ruokangas
Equity Analyst, SEB

Hello, this is Nikko Ruokangas from SEB. I could first ask a question regarding the guidance. Could you discuss about your profitability guidance as I think that it implies weakening EBIT margin? I understand that the FX tailwind has turned, but on the other hand, your business model is scalable and so the profitability should improve with the increasing sales. Could you discuss logic behind a little bit behind this and whether it is that your expectation that the EBIT margin is weakening is more related to not growing fast enough or that your costs are increased?

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Well, it's a very thin line with the guidance where we are at the moment. Our kind of internal plans is our kind of view of the year is like from the guidance that we don't expect things to move or change a lot. There was a lot of discussion on the board whether we should be giving more kind of brackets for the profitability and growth. I think the guidance is given like it is now here, but there is discussion that we might be more specific as the year progresses, but we haven't really decided on that. We start off with here and we'll see what the discussions come up with within the Q1 or Q2 reports, whether we specify it more.

For now we start with this.

Nikko Ruokangas
Equity Analyst, SEB

All right. Understood. Regarding your outlook between different product segments, so you discussed that the fundus imaging has been growing fast, but also, for example, tonometers were doing well. Do you expect this same kind of development to continue and were the growth rates, for example, in fundus imaging at the same level than in Q1 to Q3 this last year?

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

I would perhaps start answering to this one by going through the market sizes first. I think that brings light. If we think first the fundus imaging, that's roughly a half a billion USD market, growing less than 5% based on our understanding. We have a EUR 200 million market, and that's a tonometer market, including the probes, excluding the iCare HOME, and that's growing roughly 1%-2% per annum. If we think first the market shares, we think the overall market size, it's a quite natural thing that we see higher growth on the fundus imaging side because the market is way bigger.

We are global market share for us in the fundus imaging is between 5% and 10%. We are taking the share all the time. I mean it's pretty natural that that's growing faster than the tonometers. That said, we are still of course looking to grow on the tonometer side as well during 2023. Just in terms of the market size and market share, the growth is going to be more aggressive on the fundus imaging side.

Nikko Ruokangas
Equity Analyst, SEB

Yeah, I understand. The growth rates will be roughly similar going forward according to your expectations.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Yeah.

Nikko Ruokangas
Equity Analyst, SEB

Yes. One last question from me about the multinational clinical research contract that brought revenues in Q4. How significant was this in Q4 and is this expected to continue in Q1?

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

It's not continuing. I think there's nothing undelivered anymore. It's finished now after Q4. It's a nice addition, but it's not like a game-changing part of the revenue. I think it was a nice deal for us, but we haven't really specified exactly how much it is. It's nothing that we should expect a huge drop because of that. There's always bigger deals. Every year there's been something almost for the last years that come in. Hopefully we'll just try to find another big deal this year.

Nikko Ruokangas
Equity Analyst, SEB

All right. Understood. Thanks from me. I'll leave room for other questions.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Thank you, Nikko.

Operator

The next question comes from Daniel Lepistö from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Hi. Thanks. It's Daniel Lepistö from Danske Bank. I have a couple of questions. My first is also a question regarding the guidance, but I guess instead, regarding the growth part. As we know, you raised your estimates prior to the results from the strong growth in 2022 to the 16% currency-adjusted growth. Does this directly mean that the current guidance you issued for 2023, the strong currency-adjusted sales growth, means up to a 15% or 16% growth since it seems to be the limit where you saw it necessary to issue a proper warning? Thank you.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Yeah. Yeah. I think you have a good kind of justification for that argument. I can't really comment on the exact percentages, unfortunately.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay. Yeah, maybe if I continue on the topic, as you discussed about the headwind you will be getting from the currencies, I assume that the reported growth should be even below the figure I referenced.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Well, it's hard to say how the currencies go. If we continue where we are now, I think we're gonna have FX gain, at least for. There's also many parts that fall under the FX impact on the P&L, but the biggest is the kind of the year-over-year kind of FX comparison. It looks still positive for us, for the start of the year, but it's really hard to forecast how that's gonna change. Some say it's gonna go back to.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Oh.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

... back to parity, or some say it's gonna go to 1.2, almost depending on who you talk to.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Yeah. Yeah. I get it.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Mm-hmm

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

I guess the second question is about the sort of cost outlook in 2023 in general, I guess in terms of these other operating expenses like R&D and traveling and so on, but also salary inflation. Can you give us a little explanation about the Q4 employee costs, which seems to be almost flat year-on-year, despite almost 20 more employees during the period?

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

For the flat, there's of course been some adjustments on the what we do for the variable pay for the year. Those always I can exactly tell you what that impact was right now for the Q4. In general, I think the hiring for this year is we're starting off a bit slower, at least. We're kind of waiting to see how the market and the geographical uncertainties develop. We're kind of most likely at least starting off a bit more careful with adding new headcount at this time compared to the last couple of years. We're kind of having a look, and then we're kind of quite satisfied how we are staffed at the moment.

There are some additions to the R&D side, but other than that, it's quite limited that we have open positions in the, in the coming months.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Right, Robin, so in terms of the salary inflation.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Mm

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

... we budgeted 5%, right?

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Yeah. Budgeted 5%. We haven't really... Nothing actually has come through yet, we're kind of going into that discussion now. The increases are probably gonna take place in our end, March, April timeframe. Overall, the budget, we kind of internally budgeted 5%. Seems like the union agreements in Finland at least are a bit below that. Certain markets like the U.S I think there's higher pressure also for increases since the job market is quite tight there.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

I think, Daniel Lepistö, if I recall right, you had the R&D question as well. The plan is to keep almost about the same R&D spend from revenue, roughly 10%. Less than 10% actually goes through the P&L. If you take the P&L out of the P&L impact to the balance sheet related to activation, that's a bit more than 10%. Logic is exactly the same when than last year. 2/3 out from those investments are going to the device side, 1/3 to the software. Right, Robin.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Yeah. That's right. Yeah.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

... from the R&D cost perspective, that's the ballpark.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

I think the gross investments or the balance sheet items might be actually a bit lower even this year than last year because there was certain prototypes and things that came in which were quite expensive last year.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay. That's very helpful. I guess my final question is about the iCare HOME, HOME2. Can you remind us about the potential plans to seek this reimbursement coverage for this device in the U.S? Is this process underway or have you looked into it?

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Yeah. We are working on that one. I wouldn't hold my breath still this year. Working on it. I would assume that nothing is going to happen this year. It's a bit like the FDA. I think same applies for the reimbursement, so it might take a longer time. We have a clear plan for it. That's where we stand now.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay. That's very clear. That's all from my side. Thank you.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Hey, thank you, Daniel.

Operator

The next question comes from Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi from Carnegie Investment Bank. Please go ahead.

Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
Equity Analyst, Carnegie Investment Bank

Hi, this is Pia Rosqvist from Carnegie. Thanks for taking my questions. I have a few. Maybe first of all, I pay attention to your comments regarding future growth. Where you say you aim to continue to accelerate growth. At this point, can you in any way single out the drivers behind this ambition? Again, I'm reflecting upon the very strong growth we saw last year and also in the previous years, driven by the corona boost.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

When we have been talking about the acceleration of the growth, so we made this claim about two years ago in the CMD, and how we stated it out was that the kind of average growth has been roughly 13%. We said that we are going to accelerate that growth meaning closer to the 14%-15%. I think we have been able to do that one. If now looking the whole year, so that was 16.4 currency adjusted. We have been actually even able to grow a bit more faster that we stated two years ago. Just kind of to be clear that when we said that we accelerate the growth, so it was related to this historical roughly 13% growth.

The reasons that why we said that 1, 2 years ago and why we believe that we can grow faster than the historic 13% is that the product portfolio is in good shape. We have competitive products on the fundus imaging side, competitive products on tonometer side. If looking the R&D investments which are going in, we are going to keep also in coming years the tonometer products and platforms competitive, same for fundus imaging. This year, we are going to push more effort also to the perimetry side and we hope to gain growth in there.

If we go to the home and the software part, so those are not fully moving the needle yet. I mean, Home2 has been the most growing device for us last year if you look month by month and the full year, even January this year. If we go for the software side, I mean, we are on track that one, but of course that's going to take years. It's going to contribute in a years to come also to the top line and profitability as we see it. Robin, anything to add on this one?

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

No, I think it's good.

Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
Equity Analyst, Carnegie Investment Bank

All right. Thank you. If I still continue on the same subject, I think you mentioned that you are now entering or kind of strengthening your position in China. What kind of contribution should we expect from China going forward?

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Let's go first through the logic and then I answer the contribution question. We did a bit more than half a year ago. Half a year ago, we did the decision that it would be really beneficial because the volatility in the geopolitical situation and then difficulties what we had related to the regulatory approvals to actually have a team in China. Quite many are now pulling out from China. We did the decision that we go in. We don't go in to build up the R&D center, but we go in and we went in to build up the sales office in China that's operational. We have a good solid team there currently. Rebecca running it, so she's Chinese and very smart.

Now, we have been able to go top of the regulatory things. We got the really the iCare IC200 now approved last year. Now we have a understanding of how the market dynamics is kind of going to go in China and how it moves forward. The logic, and the coming back to the kind of EUR amounts in China, not too big part yet as a revenue, and we hope that we are able to grow it. If we look the numbers, if we compare it to the guidance and the current growth plans, the China is going to be upside for that one if we are going to be successful in there. That's it. Hopefully it answered, Pia, your question.

Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
Equity Analyst, Carnegie Investment Bank

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. About the regulatory approvals for the fundus imaging devices, are they still pending?

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Yeah, those are in. We are now currently in with the tonometers. They have been in for the longer time, but those are kind of on the works. honestly, I don't have even guessed that when we are going to be done.

Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
Equity Analyst, Carnegie Investment Bank

All right. Thank you. Still, a question regarding the so-called recurring sales in your portfolio. Can you give us some kind of indication of how much of your sales is recurring?

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

We haven't really disclosed that number, but the probes of course is a big part, very important part of the revenue for us. With the iCare ILLUME and other solution packages that we're working on are hopefully gonna increase that part as we move forward. I'm quite positive of how that's gonna be developing. Necessarily not this year much yet, but the coming years, I am optimistic about the impact on gross margin and the recurring revenue part.

Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
Equity Analyst, Carnegie Investment Bank

Okay. Just if I mean, are we in the 20s or still are we? I mean, how should I think about it? Is the recurring sales like between 20 and 30% or still less than 20?

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

We haven't disclosed that number. I don't think I can give it out right now.

Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
Equity Analyst, Carnegie Investment Bank

Yeah.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Did we, Robin-

Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
Equity Analyst, Carnegie Investment Bank

Okay. All right.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Sorry, Pia. Did we give something out, I mean, years back if you.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Years back, yeah. When earlier, before our CenterVue acquisition, the probes were basically 30% of the tonometer sales, but we haven't done that split anymore after that.

Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
Equity Analyst, Carnegie Investment Bank

Yeah. Well, okay, another final question for me. If, if we still can revert to iCare ILLUME. Can you describe the revenue model? I think we've discussed that earlier, but just a reminder. Now when you said you start selling iCare ILLUME, well, what kind of a revenue model are we looking at?

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Yeah, there's three components on that one. The first one is the device sales. If you go back to the solution, it's a iCare DRSplus, and there's a new software in the iCare DRSplus, which automatically if you press a button, sends four images to the ILLUME cloud. Then the ILLUME takes care of forwarding the images to the AI. Then it gets the report back from the AI. Then we added actually about two, three weeks ago, we added the new functionality to the ILLUME platform, which is the digital referrals. The same logic what we have in the Australia, New Zealand running. Now we have the first solution available which is easily doing the referrals as well if you have a problem with the DR.

There's three revenue components. The one is the selling the device. Of course, we are continuing to get the revenue from that one, recurring revenue from the ILLUME, and then, thirdly, the revenue share from the AI. Those three components.

Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
Equity Analyst, Carnegie Investment Bank

All right. All right. That's all for me. Thank you.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Hey, thanks, Pia.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial star 5 on your telephone keypad. There are no more questions at this time, I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

Seems to be that there are no questions. I would say big thanks for participating, and I think the Q1 is the next one. See you soon. Thank you.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

The AGM.

Jouni Toijala
President and CEO, Revenio Group

AGM. Yeah, that's true. That's before. Yeah. Okay. Good. Good. Take care. Bye.

Robin Pulkkinen
CFO, Revenio Group

Bye-bye.

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