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CMD 2023

Jun 7, 2023

Mari Reponen
Head of Investor Relations, Sitowise

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Mari Reponen, and I'm Head of IR here in Sitowise. It's my pleasure to welcome you to our First Capital Markets Day, both here in Espoo and online, of course. On this slide, you see our agenda for today. Before we go to the first part that discusses our solid foundation for future growth, I go through some practicalities. You can ask questions here on site or during the webcast in writing. We kindly ask you to give your names. If you are wishing someone to particularly answer the question, to address the question to that person. We have two Q&A sessions, the 1st after this first part, then at the end of the whole event.

Now I hand over to our CEO, Heikki Haasmaa, who will open the event.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Thank you. Thank you, Mari, and welcome all to our Capital Market Day. My name is Heikki Haasmaa. I've been now leading Sitowise for a bit over a year, and I can say that it has been really great to see such a strong foundation what we have as a company. During these 13 months, I've been getting to know our clients, several of our stakeholders, investors, and also actually almost all of our 2,200 experts who are passionate about solving our clients' complex challenges every day. I'm very inspired about the new vision what we have, redefining smartness in cities, and the new strategy we launched in February. This will help us to capture the several growth opportunities, and you will be hearing more about this today.

Next, I'll want to introduce our team presenting our story today. Jonas Larsson, heading our business in Sweden, Taija Lehtola, Human Resources, Hanna Masala, CFO, Jannis Mikkola, leading the Infra business, Turo Tinkanen, CIO, Minttu Vilander, Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Anna Wäck, leading the Digital Solutions, Sami Lankiniemi, Head of Innovation. To get started, let's have a look at an inspiring video showcasing what we have done in the past. On the video, you saw some examples of projects Sitowise experts have been working with in the past. When you think about where we are today, in Accountor Tower, here in Keilaniemi, Espoo, Finland, a lot what you see around here are actually designed by our experts. For example, the roads, junctions, tunnels, metro, Jokeri Light Rail, and so on.

Actually also here in Accountor Tower, we've done the structural engineering, geotechnical planning, and also the design for the electrics of this building. The designs and solutions created by our experts impact the life of millions of citizens in Finland and Sweden, we intend to have a significant impact in the future, too. As outlined in our vision, we want to redefine the smartness in cities. In addition, we want to maintain our position as the most profitable company in our industry. Today is all about these topics. Let's first recap where we are today and how we got here. We are a technical consulting company with a strong focus on digitality. We have four business areas: building and infra have been our strong foothold for long, and digital solutions and Sweden are our strategic growth areas.

During our previous strategy period, we successfully doubled our revenue to over EUR 200 million, and had last year an EBITA, adjusted EBITA margin of 10%. We employ over 2,200 experts and have a broad and diverse client base, covering both public and private customers, and our Net Promoter Score is 32. Looking then back, we have actually a long history. Actually, the oldest parts of our current business date back to 1910, when one of our Swedish companies started operations. In 2017, Sitowise was established with the merge of Sito, which had focused on infrastructure, and Wise, with expertise in buildings. Since then, Sitowise has been expanding and strengthening its presence. Altogether, we have done 25 acquisitions during the Sitowise time to support the growth of existing business and also build a platform for our Swedish business and digital business areas.

Along the way, we have built capabilities and scalable platform, and to grow with smart city solutions. Digital services are our special strength, that's what also setting us apart from our competitors. Sustainability has become part of our everyday activities, we have been even managed to raise the bar in the construction industry. We have built a solid digital platform, operating model for expertise, Voima, and capabilities to be able to grow profitably in the coming years. Looking at the net sales, we have grown steadily and consistently over several years, both in an organic way, but also through acquisitions. We have also grown profitably. Unlike some other industries, the COVID years were actually really good for us. We successfully made the transition to remote work, and our experts almost purely focused on client work.

The sick leaves were in a very low level during that time. These factors helped us to reach the 12% EBITA margin. Last year, we faced higher sick leave absences, and during the second half of last year, we started to see negative impact from the construction market downturn in our building business area. We face a different reality, with the construction market giving a heavy headwind, and we need to focus on maintaining the around 10% adjusted EBITA margin this year. We'll discuss what are the concrete actions on this, but the market development obviously has a key role in reaching our long-term target of 12% margin. The new strategy and other business areas give us several great opportunities. If you compare our performance with relevant peers, we have been the most efficient company in the industry.

The parameters on this matrix are revenue growth and profitability. One of the key drivers of our profitability has been our utilization rate. That has been clearly higher than what our big peers have had. Profitability has also been supported by acquisitions, as our strategy is to acquire companies with as high or higher profitability than our EBITA percentage target has been. Let's spend a moment on looking at what the current market environment looks like, actually it's quite different in different business areas. In buildings, the consulting market continues to be impacted by the low construction market activity, especially in the new-built residential buildings. Lately, we've also seen the slowdown also in the renovation market, we can say that this year will be a challenging one overall in the building segment.

Our focus is on maintaining the share of market with good profitability. Moving to infrastructure, the underlying market growth in Finland shows low single-digit growth for the next few years. Due to the increasing technical consulting penetration in the market and our strong competitive position in the market, we expect our Infra business to continue its stable and profitable growth. In the Digital Solutions, we've seen and also expect to see continued rapid growth. We are in a position to also create the market and also being able to disrupt market practices. Our focus is both on the growth and the profitability. In Sweden, the market is overall in a bit better shape than in Finland. However, economic uncertainty is also seen in the market activity in Sweden.

We have strong expertise in selected service areas, and those are growing, which is, of course, a good sign for our business. Regardless of the current market environment, we see also in, actually in all business areas, some opportunities with new kind of services, and we'll be discussing about those later today. Our ability to answer client needs is crucial in this respect, and we focus on that as we strive to provide the best value for our clients. Firstly, we need to master the basics to get further work. This means focus on the quality of the work, keeping schedules, active communication, and also ensuring long-lasting relationships. Secondly, we help clients to succeed with their main targets and objectives and quantify this.

This means helping with the cost efficiency, productivity targets, and then in concrete terms, showing also the difference of alternatives in monetary value to explain the value of the service we are providing. Sustainability is also a second point here, challenging and helping our customers to make sustainable choices for the future. Thirdly, we help our clients to also differentiate and build something new. Examples of this are leading with data and overall data modeling, focusing on green transition and biodiversity, and then providing life cycle solutions, and to support the maintenance phase of buildings and infra. The needs of our clients are very much driven by five mega trends shaping our industry: urbanization, renovation backlog, sustainability, digitalization, and also security. They all create demand for our services. Let's go them through one by one, starting with the urbanization.

As more and more people are moving to cities, traffic volumes are increasing. This, paired with the ambitious climate goals and new legislation, create need to think of completely new solutions for both construction and transport. There is also demand for new buildings that are suitable for many different purposes. For us, this means the significance of public transport, rail transport, actually, in particular, will increase. In cities, also functioning bike lanes are more and more important, as well as accommodating the needs of growing number of people utilizing very different transportation methods. The need for following also traffic flows will be increasing, and this is like a source of opportunity for our digital solution business. Renovation backlog. To solve the challenges of urbanization and also to create comfortable spaces for daily life, we must also naturally cherish the existing buildings and infra.

Not all. Of course, this is not just about overall buildings, but, yes, infra as well. According to calculations, only in Finland, maintenance and renovation investments in residential buildings and traffic routes should be almost doubled, and investments in water supply network should be actually tripled. Often, when renovating the existing, the planning has to take into account also the needs for the next decades. How will people use the properties in 30 years from now on, or what kind of vehicles will be used in the roads? The deciding and planning creates demand for the expertise we have. Climate change is a key growth driver also in the development of the built environment, and it will force cities to find new solutions for buildings, as well as to exploit digitalization in the development of new sustainable solutions.

Some examples: maximizing energy efficiency of buildings and also minimizing the emissions related to people and traffic flows, optimizing life cycle costs of built environment, conserving biodiversity and use of sustainable materials. We are providing all of these services, there's increasing need for them in the future. Digitalization. The amount of data in the world is growing at an exponential rate. In our industry, a large amount of data are still largely like unutilized potential. We see a big opportunity in digitality, knowledge-based management, and also use of artificial intelligence and analytics. In our industry, for us, this means, firstly, increasing the technology content in built environments and smart systems to collect data from buildings and infra. Secondly, services for Geospatial Asset Management, which is our strength.

Actually, just to give an example, a lot is also especially happening in the public sector. For example, the smart city development, which is also actuated by regulation changes. Thirdly, increasing importance of data and cybersecurity in built environments. Which also leads to fifth megatrend, so security, covering both security, uh, cybersecurity and also physical and mental security. Security threats affect the built environment on a large scale, such as energy plants and other critical infrastructure of society. Overall, we can say that there has been a like a rather lax attitude towards data management in real estate. More and more property and asset owners have awakened to think about how, for example, sensitive information is handled and stored in real estate.

We are addressing these recently arisen needs with our newly established security critical services. As a highlight, I would want to still also share that Sitowise is the largest operator of the built environment, which has been granted the ISO 27001 information security certificate. We are really happy about that one. Let's move on to the strategy, recapping that one, and then also showing how we address these megatrends. Our strategy firstly builds on our client needs, our core competencies, and also the achievements of the previous strategy period. This is like a logical continuation. As a part of our strategy process, we first time defined our company a purpose, which is empowering passionate experts to solve complex challenges. It means that we at Sitowise go to work to solve problems for our clients.

Our five values on the left-hand side remain unchanged and build the foundation for our company culture. Our vision obviously reflects the direction we want to grow. To reach this vision, we will build our expertise on innovation, sustainability, and also efficiency. Our people, the 2,200 experts, they really believe in our future. In our internal strategy day, we also challenge our people to think big. What could redefine smartness in cities in 2025? What kind of headlines could we make? Here are some examples. The conclusion of these quite bold headings is that, firstly, I believe that our people are clearly inspired by our new vision. Secondly, also that our people are visionary experts, and they are also curious about the future and have a lot to share.

Thirdly, that we definitely have great opportunities ahead of us, and some of these can be true when we execute well with our strategy. Our three strategic teams and what they mean concretely will be discussed extensively in the second part of today's program. Therefore, I'll just share some of the key targets for each of them. The most innovative means that our goal is to engage our people and partners to innovate smart solutions and services that accelerate the industry transition. The most sustainable means that we want to lead the way to sustainable future by understanding our clients' existing and also the emerging needs, and by solving them. Sustainability is an integral part of our expertise and all client projects, and also project, client projects, and they also provide also significant business potential.

The most efficient means that we want to optimize our ways of working, including sales, customer processes, tools, meaningful data creation and usage, and overall, to provide the best value for our customers, and to maintain the industry-leading profitability to be able to further grow and also develop. We have six focus areas that they guide our strategy execution. The first three ones are the growth engines: so creating new smart services, accelerating growth in Sweden, expanding digital solution business. The next three ones are more like enablers for these growth engines. We want to become a thought leader in sustainability, being the most well-known and desired employer, and then also finding the smartest ways to work. All of these topics will be gone through in much more detail during today.

We've also set clear strategic goals that relate to our clients, personnel, and also, like, a business metrics, and all of them have linked to our strategic pillars. We measure our success with clients, with KPIs, such as how we are seen as a forerunner in the industry, and also how sustainable and reliable partner we are. With employees, the key KPIs are related to how we encourage people to seek new ideas, how we implement Sustainable Development Goals to our projects and in the, in the daily work, and how customers would then recommend us. In the business metrics, we want our recurring revenue to exceed 10% of our business, as this brings stability, but also, we are looking at higher profitability. At the same time, we are looking at doubling our sustainability service revenue, which is roughly EUR 5 million at the moment.

We want to definitely maintain the most efficient in our industry. The business KPIs complement our financial KPIs, which will be also shared today, and they remain unchanged. They are then used to measure how we progress with our strategy overall. To sum up, we want to redefine the smartness in cities, and we want to maintain our position as the most profitable company in our industry. I'd like to welcome Taija Lehtola, so human resources, to the stage. You will be then sharing at how do we empower our people to achieve all of these goals. Taija, please welcome.

Taija Lehtola
CHRO, Sitowise

Thank you, Heikki. Hi, everyone. I'm Taija Lehtola, and I lead the human resources in Sitowise. I have been almost a year in the company, and I'm amazed on the expertise we have. I meet every day with our passionate experts, and we have so wide range of them. We have cloud architects, we have butterfly and fish specialists, we have information security experts, HVAC designers designing heliports, and bridge designers, and what else? It's so amazing! I will go through in my presentations three key topics: firstly, about the trends changing work life and how we address them, secondly, what are the key focus areas for us to become the most desirable and equitable employer, and to keep our employees and attract new ones, thirdly, how we build the culture that supports our strategic targets that Heikki presented.

To these trends first. We all know that the working life is changing and there's a transformation of work. The trends, what you see in this slide, are affecting the whole working life, but more pronouncedly, businesses like ours, where the whole business is dependent on the people. The changing work patterns, such as the continuation of the remote and hybrid work, the need to continuously learn, the importance of work-life balance, and how to keep the employees motivated, those really require strong and purpose-driven culture and new kind of leadership skills, structures, and tools. Of course, we need the right people to work with us, and by right, we mean the right combination of the kind of like, more and less experienced professionals with versatile backgrounds, with curious and ambitious mindsets, and we, of course, need that they stay with us.

Therefore, we have set ourselves targets that will guide us in the right direction. We already believe we are the best community, where values guide our work, we have great team spirits, and our leaders are doing super job. In the future, we will focus even more in the well-being and creating psychological safety in the teams. Our best experts, they are proud of their work, they are trusted by our clients, by the organization, and they really understand the needs of the clients. In the future, we are giving them even more possibilities to become the forerunners in the industry. We are offering meaningful projects for our experts, which is really important for them. We are taking in young talents in our NextGen program. In our journey ahead, our focus will be even more in increasing the development and career opportunities for our talents.

In order to be innovative and the forerunner in the industry, we need a strong culture. We measure that via our personal survey, and what I'm really proud of is that our eNPS has been on very high level and increasing. That means that our employees are recommending Sitowise as an employer. Also, the results for the supervisors on the questions asking about how they are doing have been on high level, and this has a direct link to the NPS, so to the customer satisfaction, and that has been on high level already like Heikki said. You will later hear more from Sami, who's leading our innovation, that how this culture is really being built or will be built in concrete steps. With new solutions to our clients, we also need very different kind of experts and diverse thinking.

This means that in our recruitment, we are open-minded, and we have, for example, hundreds of different backgrounds, educational backgrounds, with our experts. Minttu, who's leading our sustainability brand and communication, will tell you later on what we do concretely in the sustainability part. What I'm really proud of is that most of our experts understand how their work is affecting the sustainability. Typical experts, they work about 90% of their time in client projects, and that is measured with utilization rate. Heikki was already talking about utilization rate. The other 10% goes, for example, to trainings, making offers, to supervisory work, and balancing the level of utilization rate is very important because our experts, they need to have the right competencies, the right information, but they need to be able to spend most of their time with client projects.

We empower our experts by finding the smartest ways to work, allowing them to really focus on the meaningful tasks while leveraging the technology, collaboration, and knowledge sharing. We are working with our sales excellence to be able to meet with the changing market demands and be more proactive and efficient in sales. The main tools, they are increasing the overall sales activity level and also improving process, account management, and pricing. One of the big factors affecting the invoicing level is sick leaves, as Heikki was mentioning when talking about the past. We are working with well-being very holistically, and we believe that the work is actually giving more well-being. When the role, tools, processes are in order, the expert feels that they can be themselves at work, and the work community is supporting them.

All in all, I say that we are inspiring, enabling our expert to perform at their best every day, so they can solve the complex challenges our clients have. Next, I would like to introduce my dear colleague, Hanna, our CFO, who will tell about the journey, where we are.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Thanks, Taija. I'm really delighted to be here, and attend our, first CMD together with all of you here and online. After Heikki and Taija, my aim is to deepen your understanding of Sitowise, through numbers, as would be expected for the CFO, to open up our actions around the cost efficiency and also talk about how we are growing through M&As. I'll then finish with comments about us improving our profitability towards the 12% EBITA margin target that we have. Heikki outlined the key milestones from past years, from our numbers, we can conclude that Sitowise Group has indeed changed quite a bit during the last four years. We've done acquisitions also before this time frame, but during the last, years, since 2018, we've done 25 acquisitions.

Besides them being a significant contributor to the growth overall, these have, for example, created the Swedish business from scratch. Number-wise, the most of the acquisitions have been in buildings, where we have focused especially on renovation and special services, and also acted as a clear consolidator of the market, most often through smaller add-on acquisitions. In the infra business, growth has been mostly organic, but there we also done some acquisitions which have, for example, created a significant increase in our environmental business. Since year 2018, digi- business has doubled its size. It has grown fast, supported by acquisitions, but also organically.

All of our four business areas have a very important role in our group, and especially the portions of Digi and Sweden have grown in recent years, as you saw in the slide before, and we expect this to continue. The colors on the left-hand side of the page should develop into more balanced direction. We also wanted to open up a bit about the type of business we do in our group. You've seen the client mix also in already in the Heikki's slides. If we talk about the revenue model, currently, 46% of our net sales is based on hourly billing. A bit less than 1/3 is based on fixed price projects, meaning that the accuracy of estimating the project work needed is really crucial.

This is where the experience of our people really comes into play. Of course, the project management needs to be also very, very strong. As of today, the smallest part is this recurring revenue services, the pink 4% you can see in the slide. This includes SaaS, Software as a Service, and other digital products, also some continuous service agreements. A big part of this, but not all, is in the Digital Solutions business area. Many of our strategic initiatives that Heikki talked about are targeting to grow new business in this category. Therefore, we target this part to grow from 4% - 10%, as Heikki mentioned.

This means that in the future, a bigger part of our revenue will not follow the traditional consulting business formula, where you have the hourly price and the amount of hours worked, but there will be a different earnings logic included. If we look at the bit how the top line is built up, complementing the points on the previous graph. The graph here shows our net sales and the growth margin, which has been relatively stable between 90%-92%. Depending on the project mix at any given time, the sales may include a varying component of subcontracting. This we use to complement our competencies and the execution capacity when needed.

When we are engaged in cooperation projects and work side by side with another consultant, the client often wants to have the invoice only from one of us, and in that case, there can be a, like a pass-through sales in our top line, and this, of course, is then eliminated above the gross margin. The main drivers for the top line as of today are, as said, pricing and personal availability, but of course, in the future, more and more of this recurring revenue business, which is not so much dependent on those. When it comes to the pricing, we need to have good skills that was mentioned already before, and this is, of course, not only just setting the hourly price in the right level, but the overall project pricing.

Meaning, for example, in the longer-term contracts where we have price indexation, we need to put an effort on making sure that all the increases are done, which we are entitled to according to the contract terms. Having the experts available and able to work is, of course, another crucial element, and Taija talked about how we work to be a desirable employer and keep the well-being of our experts in a good shape. On the bottom of the slide, we also wanted to give some numerical guidance on the sensitivities that impact our business. The number of working days, we discussed quite a bit, actually, in the Q1 release, and here now also putting it into numbers.

If there is one day, more or less, of working days during a year, we expect or estimate that it means some EUR 700,000-EUR 900,000 of revenue, more or less. Obviously, this is because the salaries are not dependent on the number of working days. It's a fixed monthly salary, but the billing and the working hours is then, of course, this goes directly also into the bottom line. It's a top-line and bottom-line impact. Sickness absences, they are away from our project delivery capacity and have been a key factor, especially in 2022, which Heikki mentioned. We've estimated that 1 percentage point difference in the sickness absences means some EUR 2 million of revenue, and also this comes directly to the EBITA.

When we take into account our EBITA margin level, this is as much as 1 percentage point, this 1 percentage point difference in the sickness absences with the current scale. The last sensitivity is around the currency. As you know, since the end of 2021, the Swedish krona has been on a declining trend against Euro and still continues, and this is diluting our Swedish business when we present or report it in Euro in the group level. However, both invoicing and the costs in Sweden are almost fully in the local currency, though this is not impacting the performance, but it's a top-line impact. Before the work ends up in the sales and growth margin, it typically appears in the order book. Why do I say typically?

That's because some of the projects and work is so fast and short-term that it doesn't even make it to the order book, but this is, of course, a small portion. We can't really define an ideal order book level. If it's too high, then we may have delivery issues, and actually, some years ago, we thought that something like six months order book is a good level. Now, we have more long projects, and this makes the order book higher. Currently, the order book length by business area varies between seven and 13 months, a bit depending on what type of project scale or project size there is in each of the business areas.

As you can see from the graph, the order book increased quite fast, especially during 2021. This was the time of very high market activity. Now the order book has been a bit more stable. We consider that the current level is good, but there is some increased uncertainty on the time of the realization of projects in buildings where clients delay their projects. Therefore, we put a strong emphasis on sales to counter the impact of this more tight market. Some of the characteristics of the order book and our projects you can see in the blue area in the slide. Wide client base, durations ranging from less than one month to several years, even up to 10 years.

The biggest projects have been close to EUR 10 million or even above, and the biggest ones are typically municipal projects and quite often rail projects. A few notes about the cost structure. This is of course pretty basic. As we really need to pay attention to our cost structure and efficiency, a couple of things to highlight. As was outlined already, the materials and services primarily relate to project work and subcontractor usage. This varies by the project mix. As is easily, kind of, guessed, the personal costs are the biggest part, roughly 2/3 of the cost base.

Here, of course, the collective bargaining agreements set the basis. We need to pay a lot of attention to having a good salary policy to make sure that we keep people engaged, and at the same time, have a good efficiency. That's also the case for this light blue part, the other employee expenses, where we need to balance carefully to stay efficient, but to have a, like, attractive employee experience. For example, healthcare, trainings, and that sort of things, so that our employees, our most valuable asset, are kind of well taken care of. The bottom part, other costs, consists mainly of premises and ICT. Obviously, there are some administrative, marketing, and so forth, costs in the green, darker green part.

In the premises cost, there has been quite substantial pressure, index increases. We all know about the energy cost increases, but we are countering this with selective reductions of the space usage. This year, we've actually reduced half a million of euros in the premises-related costs by decreasing the underutilized spaces and moving teams, which we have acquired together with their new colleagues. IT costs, we also need to constantly monitor. There is the inflation pressure, there is pressure from cybersecurity, and obviously, the IT infra needs to be able to take on board new companies and new employees.

We are then managing our application space really carefully, thinking where, which underutilization, how do we manage the licenses, and so on, so that we can counter these upward trends in the ICT. As the next item, let's then deep dive into our M&A activities. We have defined a clear acquisition principles that help us focus our pipeline management and target evaluation. First and foremost, we need to have targets which are closely tied with our strategic priorities. The financial profile is a key criteria for us, which we look deeply into when we evaluate the potential targets.

Especially when it's the case of a small add-on acquisitions, we really want them to meet or beat our cross this target level of 12% target, and sometimes that happens also quite clearly. If the profitability is less than our target level, there needs to be a credible path to improve within a relatively short timeframe. In our type of business, the importance of a cultural fit cannot be overemphasized. In most cases, the main asset, or almost the only asset we acquire, are the people, and they become our new colleagues, so we need to be sure that they find a new good home in our company and stay committed after the transaction. For this reason, the role of the frontline managers is crucial in the acquisition process.

The business leaders have a central role and ownership, and in acquisitions and are supported by the expertise from the group functions. When it comes to valuation, we apply a conservative approach. We rather leave the targets to others than pay too much. In our add-on acquisitions, we've typically paid between 4x and 6 x EBITDA. In the larger and more transformative and new strategic areas, we've sometimes deviated from this and can do so when we see that there is an especially good growth momentum, clear improvement possibilities, or other really weighty strategic reasons. In almost all acquisitions, we also use part of, as part of the payment, our own shares, and this is really to commit the sellers, who typically become key persons in Sitowise, to their future in the new group.

I'll talk about a couple of recent acquisitions which illustrate our acquisition-driven strategy execution. The first example is Convia, which we acquired last autumn, this is a really good example of an add-on acquisition, which is a key element in our growth path. Convia is a technical consulting company, mostly operating in Stockholm region and focusing on infra projects. They started originally in bridges and have expanded to other types of infra, where the concrete structure knowledge is essential. When companies in our industry reach a certain scale, often roughly 20 employees, the entrepreneur needs to make a choice: Do they add structures and admin and maybe go to new expertise areas, or do they find a new home, where the future of the business can then be?

In Convia, they were in this crossroad situation. They were very profitable and had been growing nicely. We saw, together with the owners, this combination as a good opportunity for accelerating our growth in Sweden and building the infra business also there. Here we had a bilateral process, as in many other cases, and we're able to create a trust on the personal level and create the common view of the future. We've actually noticed that we are quite a good acquirer of companies in this, uh, development phase. We have structures, and we have processes but are still relatively small and agile and can be then accommodating new colleagues from this kind of a background. The other example is Bitcomp, which we acquired quite exactly one year ago.

This expanded our digital geospatial expertise into a new client area, forest industry, and more than doubled our SaaS business. Anna, our digital solutions leader, will in the next lot come back to the business potential that is built on this. Anyways, Bitcomp had been growing fast, and they were finalizing a new type of SaaS solution for forest asset management product called LeafPoint. They were in a ramp-up phase, and that means that the profitability of Bitcomp was kind of expected to increase with the sales growth. This was the reason that we paid a bit more than the typical multiple for Bitcomp. We'd be very happy to see that these expectations are materializing. The collaboration has been really good.

For example, we've taken the digital product management process from Bitcomp and applied it into the whole Sitowise product universe. Also, the scalable AI solutions we've taken from Bitcomp to other businesses. Now, we are looking into new opportunities, including potentially expanding Bitcomp into new geographical markets. At the end of my section, before the coffee break, a few words about the cash flow and financial targets. Our operations generate cash flow well, and the working capital changes are usually relatively modest, following the business scope development and a seasonal pattern within a year. year 2020 was very good for us in terms of operating profit, and also net working capital developed favorably, so the cash flow was exceptionally strong then.

As you can see in the middle, unsurprisingly, the acquisitions are the biggest use of cash for us. There's been also, there will be also some other investments, typically ICT or premises related. When it comes to the leverage, following the several acquisitions in 2022, our net debt and leverage increased during that year, but already the Q1 level was a bit more modest. Coming back to the financial targets, which already I said, are unchanged, and commenting also how we perform against those. The sales growth target is 10%, this includes, of course, the acquisitions and the organic growth. The last 12 months growth was 14%.

Profitability, 12% adjusted EBITA margin target, now we are at a 10.3% after the Q1, looking at the last 12 months, so there is room to improve. This level is good in the current market environment, but we, of course, aim higher. Next slide, which is my last, I'll talk a bit more about how we go closer to 12%. Leverage, as said, currently in line with our target level. To conclude my part, some words about how we achieve our long-term profitability goal. We see three main levers here. First, the organic growth.

We grow our core businesses, being, including also these higher-margin recurring revenue and new smart services, which we mentioned and which are a key part of our strategy, so this should bring us improvement in the margin. The M&As, when they are aligned with our strategic priorities and integrating the acquired companies in efficient way, should also contribute to this. We are looking at opportunities in all business areas, but especially Digital Solutions and Sweden will be in the core of our M&A strategy. Thirdly, operational efficiencies. For example, we are reconsidering our sales model and have put a lot of effort into our pricing excellence work. I already mentioned some of the cost efficiency actions and that we will continue. Furthermore, we can be even smarter when using our data.

For example, when do we do internal resourcing and use the project data. Now, we have an ERP project, an implementation ongoing or coming later this year, and this should help in that. Obviously, the construction market situation normalization, which we hope to see, should be helping and will be important in achieving the higher margins. Concluding my part, what I want you to remember: we are continuing on our growth path. Secondly, we are the most efficient player in our field. Thirdly, even if the market is giving us now some headwind, we do have levers to fight back and maintain good profitability. Thank you.

Mari Reponen
Head of Investor Relations, Sitowise

Now we have time for questions for the presenters of the first part. Let's start with the audience, if there are any.

Olli Koponen
Senior Equity Analyst, Inderes

Thank you. Olli Koponen from Inderes. I have a few questions here; I could start from the market outlook. Could you kind of elaborate a bit the kind of market growth you see in Sweden and Finland here in the next few years? Are you kind of able to say that because the kind of market we know is uncertain, but would like to hear more from you?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yes, sure. Maybe I'll still divide it between the different business areas. It's probably more logical like that. Maybe starting from the more positive ones. We see that the Infra market in Finland will be a pretty stable one and growing steadily. Same kind of thinking for Sweden as well. What comes to the construction market, that's a clearly more challenging one. I would say that it's pretty uncertain how the next year would look like. Of course, now we don't see, like, a big change compared to the past months, so I would say that it's a pretty dim outlook for the next months. Hopefully, we will see the turnaround quite quickly. That's the only thing I can say.

Maybe for the Digital Solutions, as has been also said earlier today, there we see a growing demand for the services overall. Actually we also have a strong position there in that sense, that we are able to create also the market. That's a completely different story than compared to other business areas.

Olli Koponen
Senior Equity Analyst, Inderes

Okay, thank you. just next on the profitability here, there's a nice bridge on the EBITDA margin there, from Hanna. Could you kind of, talk us through. Do you think you can achieve the 10-12% EBITDA margin target before 2025, or should we kind of assume that that is your roadmap here?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Maybe I'll comment first, then I'll let Hanna to complement. I would say that, of course, as said, we see that there's a potential, especially these digital solutions with higher profitability, then also, like, focusing on the Infra business, which is good with our business model and how it's led today. Then, of course, coming to your point, so this kind of like a 12% margin, we would also really need the help from the construction market. If it's in such weak levels, of course, it makes our path also to the 12% more challenging.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Yeah, not so much to add. I think it's not the answer you would want to hear. I think it will depend a bit on the market.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

we are doing what we can to counter the impacts, but of course, it's, like, really also dependent on how the construction market, especially now, turns around.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Hopefully, that wouldn't take so long.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

We'll see.

Olli Koponen
Senior Equity Analyst, Inderes

Okay, thank you. On the strategy chart, I don't know if I should ask this here, but I'll try now. You're seeking to double the sustainability service revenue, could you kind of elaborate what are these kind of services here that you mean?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yes, today we already have, like, roughly EUR 5 million. They are more related to environmental design, but also energy related consulting work. Overall, where we see the growth is coming from, are those ones, but then also, of course, renewable energy. That's providing us several opportunities, and, like, a circular economy overall, and also the work, consulting work related to biodiversity. Those are the big areas, the overall. Then on top of the pure consulting work, we are also looking for these kind of new services there. How do we use the data, of or related to all of what I just mentioned, package it, able to serve our clients even better in the future?

Olli Koponen
Senior Equity Analyst, Inderes

Okay, I'll hand the mic to other questions . I will ask later, more. Thank you.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Thank you.

Mari Reponen
Head of Investor Relations, Sitowise

Thank you, Olli. Let's take one question to Taija Lehtola from online. The people are important asset for Sitowise. What do you do to attract young people from universities to join the company?

Taija Lehtola
CHRO, Sitowise

We are quite active with the universities. We have a lot of a lot of, kinda like free time activities, but we're also working a lot with the kinda like the universities and the other schools we feel important in on topics. We also have a kinda like pool for, as a kinda like master thesis and assignments, so kinda like being active. I think the kinda like the sustainability is a trend also among the young ones. I think that is helping us. Of course, we have our trainee program, NextGen, where we build all of this. That's quite known in Finland, and we need to start working in Sweden to do the same.

Mari Reponen
Head of Investor Relations, Sitowise

Thank you, Taija. I think we now take the break, then take the rest of the questions at the end of the day, when we have a wider Q&A session. Thank you for the questions so far. Thank you, presenters, and let's be back at 2:15 P.M.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Welcome to our second part CMD day. Next, we will dive into our strategic pillar, our most efficient, sustainable. We will guide you through Turo and Sami, and later also our business area leaders will join the stage. My name is Minttu Vilander, and I lead Sitowise's sustainability, communications, and marketing team. I have been in the company for three years.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Hi, everyone. My name is Sami Lankiniemi, and I work as the head of innovation at Sitowise, and I have been with the company since August 2022.

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

Hello, my name is Turo Tinkanen, and I'm the head of IT.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Now, to start the segment, we will start with a short video introducing our Voima platform and how it helps us to become the most efficient in our field.

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

Hi, my name is Turo Tinkanen. I am the head of IT here at Sitowise. When I started working here seven years ago, we were facing a huge challenge together with the business. We were asked to digitalize and harmonize our core processes and develop system landscape to support those, basically creating a digital heart for Sitowise. This was not an easy task, considering the amount of project variations and very aggressive growth strategy we had at that time. We started working on something that we call Voima, a collaboration platform that is the way we work and deliver. Voima was built by Sitowise for Sitowise. By creating Voima, we also create digital building blocks, like LEGO, that would enable us to develop new tools and capabilities. With almost 50 acquired companies at that time, we were having multiple different ways of handling projects and data management.

Getting visibility to the project and following processes was hard. You didn't know which one to follow. Voima was designed to help our project teams while they were navigating the complex world of projects. We consolidate data and functionalities all over our system landscape to one workspace. Where can I find that project? Where is the data? How do I provide access for my team? How do I start a new project from ERP or CRM? Did someone already have Teams created for this? Voima brings all project management elements together, provides visibility, and enables efficiency while also ensuring quality. Sitowise does over 10,000 projects every year, all of those are done on Voima platform. Voima can support a wide variety of projects that we do in Sitowise, from the two-hour simple inspection to the five-year complicated projects across our business areas.

Automation and orchestration ensures that the time is spent doing the right things. Data leads to new insights and helps us to develop Voima even further. Voima, for example, can provide better understanding to how we at Sitowise help our customers to reach sustainability goals and do the right choices for environment, people, and society. With the LEGO, we can rapidly enable new data sources and provide new functionalities and tools. Voima is redefining efficiency and smartness in Sitowise. Next, we will do it for our customers. We want to be close to our customers and provide them access to our digital heart. Basically, we want to deepen our relationship with the customers by providing them easy access to our knowledge, data, and services with Voima. Collaboration has always been the heart of Voima and will continue to be so.

Voima is already driving our customer projects, and now we aim to bring the benefits also for our customers.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

We all know what Voima is. Was it something that was built from scratch at Sitowise, or was there something already on the market that we could utilize?

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

yes, it's built from scratch for Sitowise. We did actually quite extensive research from the market and didn't find anything that could fit our need or actually fulfill our vision for Voima.

We also realized that actually we have a couple of the critical puzzle pieces already, for example, with Microsoft Teams. Of course, we don't want to build another Teams, so we decided to do it from scratch, but utilize as much as we can these existing tools and technologies.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Turo, we can see here the most efficient and our three focus areas. Voima is, of course, contributing to all of this, but the second part where we have the competitive advantage to tools and data, how do you see that Voima helps us to be the most efficient?

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

I would actually dare to say that Voima is the way we do our work and projects, so it's actually in the core of Sitowise. In having, like, unified processes, I would say that it's the main driver of our efficiency.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

The next topic that we will have is sustainability. Do you think that Voima has a role in making us forerunners in sustainability?

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

I think, one big part of Voima is actually that it brings transparency and visibility to project management, for example, and that is part of sustainability and responsibility. Of course, we have built the sustainability tool that you will tell us more next.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Thank you, Turo. We will continue to the most sustainable. As said, my name is Minttu Vilander, and I lead Sitowise's sustainability team, and also communications. Sometimes people ask me, "Why do we combine sustainability and communications together?" Well, I think that it's because sustainability is a huge change in our society and also in organizations, when you have huge change processes, you need lots of communications. Kind of combining those two is really, really a no-brainer, as said. In Sitowise, we've taken huge leaps in sustainability, and during last couple of years, but sustainability has always been part of our work. It is part of making better cities, so you always need to take sustainability into consideration. Let's get started.

Here you can see a pretty simple, simplified picture of the field of sustainability. There are just few things. There are more, but we just want to emphasize with this picture that there are lots of things going on in sustainability field at once. Because we want to be a forerunner, we also need to take into considerations all different kinds of sustainability focuses. First, on the kind of, on the surface, you can see things that have been on the agenda for already during last years. These are things like energy efficiency that has been trending for many years already. In those kind of things, we need to be the best. We need to be the.

We need to have the best expertise in our company to be the forerunners. Underneath the surface, there are things that are soon coming. They are maybe something that everybody is already talking about, but nobody really yet understands what it means. Well, to be a forerunner, we need to understand, we need to learn, and we need to master all those things underneath the surface. On the deeper there are the things that we need to scan all the time to understand how the different kind of themes and topics will shape our business. To be a forerunner, as we want to be, we need to understand this whole picture and everything, and how all these things are concerning us, and how we need to develop as a company.

Here you can see Sitowise's sustainability roadmap from 2019. I'm not gonna go through everything here. The most important thing in this picture is that we started pretty late from the kind of like as a group sustainability function. 2019, we didn't have a group-level sustainability team. We didn't have any sustainability reporting. We just launched our first sustainability program. Since that, we have taken huge leaps to towards being like to being the company who understands how sustainability is affecting us. The reason for this is that the sustainability field is moving really fast. It's really fast.

All the time, you have to. There are new things coming. The way you need to work is that you need to do, and you need to develop while you are doing. We can't know what is happening in the future. We can't really know how the regulation will affect us and what are the new things that will come. That is why we need to keep moving all the time. We need to be able to do things and also do mistakes and learn from them, because if we don't do that, we will be left behind. If we wait others to show us how to do it, we will be late. We have become a long way, but now we will look into the future next.

As said, as part of our strategy, we have one pillar that is that we want to be the most sustainable. The target is that our experts understand how sustainability affects their work, how we can be, in all our projects, more sustainable, what kind of sustainability targets our clients have, and how we can help with that. It's also about understanding how sustainability affects our company culture, as Taija mentioned before. We need to have everyone in Sitowise on board, and because the change is done by people, we can always have, like, cool technologies and all these kind of things, and we can have cool reporting, and we can have programs and all that, but if we don't have the people on board, we won't be successful.

When we talk about the most sustainable, we talk about three different focus areas, and I will shortly go through this all. The first one is that we aim to be, or aim that all our expertise is sustainable. All our projects take into consideration the sustainability matters. We need to understand our clients, but it's not just understanding what they need, it's also challenging them. It's challenging the old ways of working and being brave enough to do that. Secondly, we see that sustainability in built environment has significant business opportunities. There are new needs that our clients have because of the regulation, but, and legislation, also from the climate crisis, biodiversity decline, from also social sustainability is something that will shape future cities.

Thirdly, we need to meet the requirements of new regulation, so we need to understand how they affect us as a company, and also, we need to meet the standards that employees put to us. The ones who already work with us, but also for the future talents, sustainability is really important to them. If we talk about our own operations, Turo was just mentioning about our sustainability tool on our Voima platform. 2020, we started talking that, okay, it's really good thing that we are doing all this, like carbon footprint calculation of our own operations, then we have green offices and all these kinds of things . It's really important. We need to have that.

The most important thing is that we need to understand what is our handprint in our projects, and that's really hard to measure. We started thinking how we will do that, and shortly, we understood that we need some kind of tool, and we need to do it so that we are able to measure and also make people discuss about sustainability in our organization. We made our own tool to Voima platform. The tool is pretty simple. It's based on United Nations Sustainable Development Goals, and when a project starts, the project team comes together, and they need to first set couple of targets based on SDGs. And then they need to talk how they will, what are the actions that they need to meet that target?

Also, it is emphasized that they should have this discussion with the clients. Afterwards, when the project is finished, the project team discuss and goes through: Did they meet the targets? Did they do the actions that they were planning to do? The idea here is, of course, that we do it in all our projects. We want to have, like, all the projects that start, they need to also set the goals. Benefits of the tools, tool are now, as said here, that 86% of our projects nowadays use the tool. We have a little bit more to go to hit the 100, but still, the benefits are that we have lots of communications inside our company.

The know-how about sustainability has been rising a lot, and people understand better how their project, how the projects, what kind of sustainability handprint they have. We are able to follow all the projects and all the sustainability effects that they have, and we also have, can have interaction with clients about sustainability, and that's really important. There is also a possibility, when having the conversations with clients, to have some additional sales concerning sustainability. The second thing is that we want to grow new services. We see a significant business opportunity in sustainability, in built environment. We are facing, as said, new requirements, new legislation. Societies are changing. Sustainability atmosphere is rising in every way.

There are global challenges that we are facing together, and we need to also solve here in Finnish and the Swedish cities. There is a need for high-level sustainability know-how, and one important thing is that we can combine this kind of strategic sustainability roadmaps, but we don't just do that. We also understand that how they are implemented in a technical matter, so how they are implemented also at the same time. It's not just about doing some strategy work, it's also about how to make it happen. Our aim is to double the revenue for strategic data-based sustainability services. We believe that this is done by organically and also via M&As.

We have these four focus areas that are here in the slide, so renewable energy, climate change mitigation, climate change adaptation, and biodiversity and circular economy. Last but not least, is the developing our own operations, so we need to walk the talk. If we say that to our clients, that you need to do your projects more sustainable way, of course, we need to do it also ourselves. This is these targets here are from our sustainability program that was done together with all the Sitowise employees and approved by the board of directors.

We have four different goals, two of them are internal, we want to be carbon neutral, we want to have, as Taija said before, the best working community that is inclusive and equal. We have two external goals, the other one is that we want to grow sustainably. The other one is that we want to lead the discussion, the sustainability discussion around built environment. We want to be the company that discuss about these matters, that wants to raise things and wants to make a difference. Here were the three points. Firstly, existing expertise and projects, we want to make them more sustainable.

We have lots of new business opportunities. Then we need to be as sustainable as possible as a company. We also believe that sustainability go together with innovation, so in the future, we only need sustainable innovation. We don't need anything else. We tie these two things together. Now Sami will lead you to our innovation work and tell more about that. Sami, the stage is yours.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Thank you, Minttu. My name is Sami Lankiniemi, and I work as the Head of Innovation at Sitowise, and I also lead our The Smart City Lab. Prior to joining Sitowise, around nine months ago, I have spent a decade in the built environment, helping companies and public organizations in their digital transformation, in climate crisis adaptation, and growing sustainability business in the built environment. At Sitowise, I lead The Smart City Lab, which is our home and community for all research, development, and innovation. The lab was launched two years ago with our first innovation competition and has grown since. The lab builds on our vast cross-sector expertise, our track record in information modeling and geospatial services, but also deploy sustainability and digital capabilities all across Sitowise. What actually happens in the lab?

Here you can see some of the activities going on in the lab, enabling and empowering us to create ideas for smart services, but also to improve the way we work and how we use our design tools. This is also where we experiment with new technologies to prepare us for the future. The lab is also the place where we scan the market and the changes in the operational environment to understand how different trends and phenomena emerging in the industry reshape the way our business runs. Maybe from here, some of the key highlights are, of course, our annual innovation competition or the way we accelerate these new ideas, but also the collaboration with universities and other research bodies. In addition, of course, the constant internal development we do across business areas.

Lastly, I would also like to highlight our open lab, where we have started to invite more and more customers to collaborate with us in creating new solutions and tools. The open lab also supports our ambitions to bring Voima closer to our clients. With all this in mind, we have aimed at becoming the most innovative in our field, and under this strategic stream, we have three distinct goals. Firstly, we want to strengthen our innovation culture and expand smart city solutions in all our business areas. Secondly, we continue to build scalable software-as-a-service business. Thirdly, we want to enrich design environments and processes to help our experts. Basically, this means removing some of the white noise and repetitive tasks from the every day, something Taija was talking on earlier. Let's continue to dig deeper into these three themes and goals.

Innovation is all about building a culture around it and giving it structure. By doing this, we look to empower our experts and capture new growth opportunities in working side by side. This is something I'm really excited about, because it also allows us to leverage our strong competencies across the company to create value-adding services. While this says digital services, we also keep a close eye on redesigning and developing our current service offering, adding digital components where needed, or by simply alternating the concept or defining how we deliver the services. We also look to improve efficiency in our own operations, discovering ideas project by project, and working towards our clients aspiring to solve their productivity issues, and essentially simply making them and us work easier.

As mentioned, for example, giving our clients access to Voima or our digital heart, as Turo put it is one step we intend to take during this strategy period, and which will open new data and tools for our clients. To summarize all of this will be based on our open innovation culture, our innovation playbook that guides our development, and our funnel management, where we selectively push new ideas and guide their production and deployment of smart city solutions. Going further, as mentioned, we want to scale, build scalable software as a service business, and here as well, we look to leverage our product expertise, now also throughout the whole life cycle of built environment. We will continue to engage our experts and our partners to collaborate closely with our clients, identifying emerging needs, but also pain points they may have.

We actually look to cover the major aspects of the life cycle, be more present, and to serve our customers in new ways. Anna will later tell some exciting examples about our own digital products, but a great case example of cross-industry collaboration that we do is our co-innovation project with Nokia, VTT, and Loihde Analytics, and others, titled DataMust, aiming to create data markets for sustainable cities, utilizing data marketplaces and edge computing as a foundation to scale our solutions to a wider customer base. Going forward, we look to enrich design environments and processes with new solutions. We are constantly researching new technologies and tools available on the market or being just developed, to essentially to cater to the needs of our engineers and designers, and to implement new customer applications powered by Voima.

Here, Voima is our foundation and can operate as a platform for the applications we develop, helping us to interact with the client or doing efficient project work. We are also becoming better and better in utilizing the vast amounts of data we gather from our processes and analyzing the output, and this makes us capable to understand how and what to improve in the future, and how we can create new use cases for design data to optimize our workflows of our experts or remove the repetitive tasks, letting them be the real experts that they are. Here on the slide, you can see one example of a tool that we created running on top of Voima. The tool utilizes existing design data to augment the design process in our buildings business area in structural engineering.

It automates element design by generating and prefabricating the design of the elements needed for a new project based on our existing design data. This is one of the ways our data and analytics capabilities are enabling us to use artificial intelligence in supporting our experts in their work. As my final point, I would like to share where we are now with The Smart City Lab, and our innovation activities in concrete terms and numbers. During a year or so, we have had 31 customers involved in some of these development projects for new business ideas. We have also mapped with over 700 people across Sitowise, 200+ ideas for new business opportunities, and currently we have 37 of these in development and in screening mostly. Where do we focus in the lab?

Some of the research topics can be seen here on the slide. Maybe to finalize, as much as innovation is about new business, it is also about risk management, it's about sales excellence, and it's about constant learning, in becoming better and to react to the changes in the market and business environment. Whether we are talking about cybersecurity or climate risks, data-driven circularity, or location intelligence, The Smart City Lab operates as our platform for creating new sustainable business innovation and essentially helping us to redefine smartness in cities. Thank you.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Thank you, Sami. Okay, we've now heard about the most efficient, and the most innovative, and the most sustainable. Tell me, how can these three pillars complement each other?

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

If I think about from the efficient point of view and from Voima's point of view, I really think that when you actually think about sustainability and innovation, there is usually a remarkable digital or data side to those. Of course, Voima, we can cater those needs being in developing rapid proof of concept or whole new tool for customers, for example.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Yeah. Maybe as mindset innovation give us opportunity to actually reassess the way we work, and then to reorganize some of the engineering and design work that we do, and then also, finding new ways of delivering our services. We all know that as you present, that sustainability is a key thing for us, and it is the foundation for innovation as well. Then on the other side, this means that the most innovative pillar gives sustainability a solid and sound innovation model to push those ideas, and the way for managing the pipeline of creating these new services.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Thank you. I think that the most important thing is that we all kind of need each other. We need to collaborate, we need also all Sitowise employees to be part of this, all business areas, and also clients. We need to kind of work together in everything and not be in silos and trying to take our pillars forward. Thank you. We will soon continue discussion here at the sofas. Next, we will get our business area leaders here on stage, they will tell us how these strategic pillars meet their everyday work.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Now I would like to invite to the stage Jannis, who is leading our Infra solutions business.

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

Hello, everybody. My name is Jannis Mikkola, and I'm head of Infra, and I'm very proud to present to you the Infra, the second biggest business area in Sitowise. I have been working in this company 18 years, so I think I'm an adult Sitowise, and I know the company and also the industry very well. My background is from the urban development projects like Kamppi and Redi. They are the city center project in middle of Helsinki, and they are combined the infrastructure and the building. I have been always working between these two areas. I have been also working in traditional infra projects like metro and road tunnels and so on. Since 2017, I have been the head of the infrastructure, so this is nothing new to me.

My main point in this presentation, they are that we are leading player in our field. We are very well known in our infrastructure market, and we have more than 600 experts in our house. We have been able to expand our expertise, and we are truly the multi-talent company in infrastructure area. We operate productively, and we make good profit-making capacity, and we have stable cash flow. I think that we have succeeded because we have the good customer and personal satisfaction. That is important for us. Sustainability, like Minttu told, it's deep in our operation. It's nothing new. We have been done that for decades, not just the two years where everybody have talking about it. The present situation, I think that our service range is the widest in the Finnish markets.

75% of our sales comes from the public sector and 25% from the private sector. Half of our net sales or more come from the long-term framework agreements. They are typically 2 + two years long. We have divided our operations into four divisions, but those divisions are only to lead people. The projects, they go matrix to our organization. Our divisions, they are Municipalities and Traffic, Geotechnics, Tunnels, and Structures, Urban Development and Environment, and Project Management. The customers, they are important to us. We have long-term supplier relationship with many of our big customers. Top 10 customers bring us more than 50% from our revenue. Customer satisfaction, this is important because we have those big clients, and it's been in a good level for a long time, and I'm proud to say that it.

the level is above the average Sitowise level. Like Taija say, the most important thing us, the clients are important, but the most important are the employers. They are our assets. Their satisfaction is critical to us, and also we have been succeeded in that area. There always are people leaving our company, it's normal, but we have these interviews, and over 90% of people that are leaving from Infra are thinking that in some day they can come back. Why we have succeeded? I think that current projects are becoming more and more complex, and they need lots and lots of expertise, and we have that. Because of the projects are complex, more than 80% of our projects need more than one expertise, and that's why the projects go like matrix through our organization.

We have the knowledge, and we have a lot of expertise, and that's our advantage. In infra, the clients wants mostly one partner to deliver all the expertise in one projects. When you are big house, you get big projects, and you get big clients. We have been able to respond well of the growth drivers for infra, and Heikki already told you them, but I repeat: urbanization, people have to move from places to places, they have to travel, and also there are big changes in mobility. Of course, the climate awareness. Everybody is talking just the climate change, but there is something more. It's not just the climate change, it's the biodiversity or et cetera. Like Minttu said, sustainability is part of our DNA.

Our footprint is very small, like a children's foot, but our handprints is like Mauno Koivisto, Former President of Finland, the handprint is huge. Why I'm thinking we are going to succeed in the future? The consultant market are still growing, even the total infra market in the next few years isn't growing. I think that the consulting companies are taking the bigger share from the cake, and why is that? The client organization, they are getting thinner. They need our expertise, our people, and our time. The complexity of project is increasing, so there is much more consulting to do in one project. Of course, the interaction between the stakeholder is growing. You talk with the people, and we have the people, and we have the time.

We are also solving many burning topics. Example, adaptation to the climate change, and of course, in future, you must build lot and lot of infra to the renewable energy. You have to build roads, you have to build foundations to them, and also the energy lines to the people who use the energy. I think, again, the most important, the people, they enjoy to working in our company. Why? Because we know how to offer them the interesting projects. The project work is 80% of our work, so that is important. Also, we have the path, how can they develop themselves? That's why they are with us with this road. What we are going to do in the future? We are not getting our basic activities. They will be the foundation of our operation for a long time.

To those foundation, we are building new services, and that's where we are going to grow. Also, we are going to do more projects to the private sector because we are seeing that the market is growing there faster than in the public sector. We are expanding our operation more broadly to the entire life cycle of the projects, not just the building phase, the whole life cycle of the projects. Like Minttu said, but I repeat, that also, that we are continue to invest to the sustainable development. Our priorities, they are the climate change and the climate change mitigation and adaptation, the biodiversity, the circular economy, and renewable energy. We will continue to roll out our latest tools as soon as possible.

We have good examples, like in 40 years ago, we designed our own CAD system to design the rails, and the roads, and the streets, and we used the computers when others used the pencils and paper. This is almost the end, but because I know the human memory isn't so like internet, it forgets, so I hope that you remember these three things after my presentation. We are very well known in our market, we operate efficiently, and we are making strong financial result. The last least, not the last, but not the least, the trends of the future, they really are our friends. Thank you.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Thank you, Jannis.

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

Thank you.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

We heard about the infra business, maybe kind of continuing from the presentation, could you tell us a bit more about, in concrete terms, what have we actually done to resave the built environment with our infra solutions?

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

I have this video in the screens, and we are now in Keilaniemi, and when you look where we are in the launch, you can look from the tower all around, and we see, like, hundreds of projects which we have been going on. Right now, you see the screen is the Tapiola. It's the, I think Tapiola is the capital of Espoo, and it's the old city center from the 1950s, and now it's growing. We have been in this project, like, 10 years, and there is 50 different projects. There you can see, now we are going forward, but there is, you can see the Accountor Tower where we are and we see the Ring Road 1.

We have this plan that the Ring Road 1 between Tapiola and Otaniemi is going to tunnel, and there is going to be new house for 5,000 new people in Espoo. We are getting the traffic underground, and the people are on the ground, and they have clean air, and they are not hearing any noises, and we are going to do that. Also, we are soon we are moving back to Tapiola, and the Tapiola, there were 20,000 people living in Tapiola, but it decreases in 1990s, and we think that what we can do?

We have to keep the heart of Tapiola, which is the green areas above the center, and we put the bus terminal on the ground, and under the bus terminal, there's a metro station. All the cars are going to the parking hall through this new traffic circle, and from the traffic circle, cars are going underground, and people are in the ground level. I think it's the largest pedestrian area in Finland, Tapiola. Now we are building new residential houses, and I think that in this time, these are the only houses that are going to sell this year. I think this is fantastic project.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

We have done a lot here.

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

Yes.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

I know it's hard to pick, but what could maybe be some of the highlights you would select, from these projects? Maybe regarding, the cultural.

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

I think.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Historical values or something else.

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

I think that I already said, but that we kept the historical green areas. We can bring the ground level back to the pedestrians and the clean air and the traffic hub, like buses and metros. I think. I'm so excited of this project.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Good to hear.

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

Yeah.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

A lot of these projects, so maybe finally, how has Voima helped in organizing and managing these projects?

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

Like I said, there is 100 different project in the small area. Without the Voima, we are having 200 people doing those projects, and if they are having own systems, it's total mess. The Voima is keeping things straight.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Thank you, Jannis.

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

Thank you.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

This was really interesting and also concrete example of how we redefine cities. You stay here with us on the sofas.

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

Yeah

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

And we will continue to our digital solutions. Anna will now join us on stage and walks us through how digitality, digitalization shapes the possibilities of built environment.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

Thank you, Minttu. My name is Anna Wäck, and I have been heading the digital solutions business unit since the start of May. I have my background in management consulting and in agile software development from Capgemini Consulting and from Siili Solutions, and for the past around six years, I have been working at KONE, where I have been working in the field of international service business, and quite concretely, building new digital solutions, SaaS solutions, commercializing them, bringing them to market, and accelerating sales. Of course, I'm really happy that now at the start of my journey at Sitowise, I can join in the CMD and share more about what the digital solutions business is about and how we will be adding value in the future. Thank you. Where are we today?

Sitowise is traditionally known as a major planning and consulting company, we actually have a solid, self-sustaining digital solutions business already. We are specialized in geospatial information and asset management solutions. We have a very strong foundation. We've actually been in the digi- business for over two decades, as you can see, our growth has been rapid, the least to say, for the past five years, supported by both organic growth and acquisitions. Put together our digital solutions business unit and the digital business that we have in Sweden, in total, our digital solutions accounts for over 15% of Sitowise's net sales. It's clearly above our industry peers. We have three main service areas.

First, we provide consulting to help our customers lead with geospatial intelligence and with data, to position themselves in the smart city landscape, and to develop business around smart infrastructure, logistics, and smart transportation. We have a very solid and large IT consulting and custom software development business. Our projects that we do span over the entire life cycle of our customers. Finally, we have a portfolio of SaaS products, a handful of them, all of which have very loyal customer base and high retention, and also quite nice growth potential moving forward. Our customer profile is balanced. 55% comes from public sector, from government and municipalities. Traditionally, these are long projects, frame agreements with steady sales and steady profits.

Our customers, as Jannis was also saying earlier, they really value our understanding on their operating environment, on their systems, on their data. Our private sector has been increasing especially lately through the Bitcomp acquisition. As Heikki was mentioning earlier, Bitcomp has been very successful in creating new market in the forest sector, we aim to take advantage of this moving forward. We have very strong knowledge or subject matter expertise from our three segments: land use, buildings and utilities, infrastructure and traffic, and forest and natural resources. Finally, I hear all of my colleagues have been talking about people. Of course, for us in digital business, culture is key. The recruitment market remains heated. We are really fighting for talent.

What I have learned is that our people do really value the culture, the kind of value-based culture that we have. They see that they have a lot of opportunities to develop themselves as IT professionals at Sitowise. What do we do in practice? I thought I would share two very concrete case examples, one from the project business, one from the product side. To set the scene on the project and consulting business, essentially, we are today working with almost all of the major national IT projects, where geospatial information is in the core and that relate to the built environment or transportation. One of these, a really exciting example, it's the built environment information system, RYTJ.

It's essentially a new national home, like Suomi.fi for citizens, but for information related to buildings and land use. Well, previously, this information has been scattered in the systems of municipalities and other official systems. Now, the ambition for this new system is to gather all of this together in a standardized format, following a standard data model, and so that it will be accessible for many stakeholder groups: government, municipalities, ministries, individual businesses, citizens, authorities. It will be used a lot in the future. We have been engaged in this project together with Solita. The total prices will be, during this four-year period, around EUR 6 million. It's in many ways a quite typical project for us. It's a transformative project. It crosses over the systems and moves data of over 300 stakeholders.

In a way, it could be considered as a life cycle project, in the sense that after this initial build phase, of course, there's then room to continue supporting the customer throughout the upkeep and further maintenance. Next, I'll soon give the voice to one of our customers related to an example from our product business. Again, to set the scene, we have been in SaaS business for many, many years. What we have recently done is sharpened our product portfolio, so that today we focus on the products with clear business case, strong profitability, strong, already proven customer value proposition, and room for further growth. I won't go through all of our solutions today, but instead, you will hear a customer testimonial regarding LeafPoint.

It's a leading AI-powered forest asset management solution. Petri Takalo, who is the executive director of a, forest owner association of Päijänne, will be sharing his story. He's also a very active LeafPoint user.

Petri Takalo
Executive Director, Päijänne Forestry Association

Metsänhoitoyhdistyksemme tarjoaa asiakkailleen kaikki metsäpalvelut kätevästi saman katon alta. Autamme asiakkaitamme saavuttamaan metsäomaisuuden hoitoon liittyvät tavoitteet onnistuneesti. LeafPoint on ollut meidän käytössä toiminnanohjausjärjestelmänä jo three vuotta. On todella hyvä, että one järjestelmä kattaa koko toimintaketjun. Esimerkiksi kuviotiedot pystyy päivittämään maastossa, tiedot ovat käytössä kaikkialla järjestelmässä, jolloin manuaalisen työn tarve vähenee. LeafPointissa hyödynnetään uusia teknologisia ratkaisuja, yhtenä hyvänä esimerkkinä on metsätiedon jalostus AI:n ja satelliittikuva-aineiston avulla. Kartalla näemme AI:n tekemiä tulkintoja siitä, missä voisi olla tarjolla asiakastamme kiinnostavia metsänhoitokohteita. Nämä ehdotukset on yhdistetty asiakastietoomme, saamme helposti kontaktoitua asiakkaitamme ja tarjottua palveluitamme matalalla kynnyksellä. Asiakas saa kohteesta ehdotuksen omaan sovellukseensa, pystymme sähköisesti tekemään kohteesta sopimuksen. Myynti sujuu näin liki automaattisesti. LeafPoint on kotimainen järjestelmä, joka on kehitetty tiiviissä yhteistyössä meidän metsänhoitoyhdistysten kanssa juuri meidän tarpeisiimme. Sen avulla pystymme palvelemaan asiakasta ja pitämään metsästä huolta ihan uudella tasolla. LeafPoint on paras metsäjärjestelmä metsänhoitoyhdistyksille.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

As you heard from Petri, LeafPoint has a very clear customer value, not least because it was developed with customers for customers. We have been very focused on ensuring smooth rollouts for all of the Finnish forest owner associations. Out of the 56, we have three left to complete during Q3, and after that, we will start generating solid recurring revenue. We have over 1,000 users. Next, I'll share how we will be adding value in the future. As you heard already from Heikki, we have a very strong growth ambition for future, and we have a great foundation. The market conditions continue to be on our side. We are witnessing strong pull, both from the public and private sector clients.

Our business mix is well-balanced, so the long projects and frame agreements allow us to generate solid, predictable cash flow. Whilst we are complementing this with not the kind of traditional billable, time-based business model, but instead, software-as-a-service, potentially in the future also data-as-a-service business models. Of course, this allows us to be more scalable and also will increase our profitability. We continue also to disrupt, influence, and disrupt the industry. With this, I mean that we actually have a very solid R&D pipeline with products and services that are in the different stages of their life cycle. Finally, we are ultimately a people business, so we continue to provide meaningful opportunities for our employees and also ensure that our digital solutions and capabilities can add value through the other business areas and their projects.

What you can expect from us concretely as actions, if I start first from the software development and consulting business, the market is hot, so we need to focus on sales excellence. In practice, this means that we want to select the right projects, tender with good price, and we have also been tuning recently our sales organization so that we can further support sales towards our key account customers or key account clients. We continue to take full advantage from Voima to minimize project overruns and to secure strong margins. As Taija mentioned, we also believe that the voluntary employee turnover in the IT sector is, to some extent, here to stay. We take very strong actions to still maintain high utilization rate. These includes things like proactive recruitment, successor planning, and increasing the efficiency of our onboarding.

In SaaS business, we are looking for growth. We are now leveraging a dedicated sales force. We are addressing to new customer groups, and we will also be expanding to new geographical areas, starting from Sweden. We continue, of course, to develop our solutions together with customers, as Sami was explaining earlier. Simultaneously, we keep our eyes open for potential acquisition targets. To sum up, we have a strong foundation, organic growth, successful also successful acquisitions, and we have showed that we can generate demand and create new markets. We aim for profit, continuous profitable growth, supported by our balanced business mix. We will continue influencing and disrupting the market with our solutions, services, and new business models, and we will further accelerate our SaaS business.

This way, we will also play a key role, in ensuring that Sitowise will achieve the target of 10% of the group sales coming from recurring revenue services.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Thank you, Anna.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

Thank you.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

It was a great presentation, and I'm interesting to hear from you that you said that we want to accelerate growth by investing in new solution and services. How do we ensure that we also see a return on our investments?

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

It's a great question. Well, firstly, this is nothing new to us. As I said, we've been in the SaaS business for a long time, and now through this Bitcomp acquisition, we actually cemented or solidified our capabilities related to SaaS sales and product management. We are not throwing money around. We have a very focused approach, and we continue testing the markets and creating the services together with our customers. As I said, we actually have a great R&D pipeline already today. Maybe I can give a sneak peek. We have, for instance, or we are now experimenting how we can harness the AI that you saw on the LeafPoint video to analyze the impact of changes made in the built environment to the local carbon storage.

It's something that our clients and potential clients have shown great interest for.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

You also said that we are a people business.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

Mm.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

The competition for talent is fierce. What do we do to differentiate from other IT companies?

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

During my first weeks here, I've had the chance to visit most of our offices around Finland. I've had hours and hours of discussions with the people. Based on this, I learned that we don't have a traditional engineering culture, nor we have the traditional IT culture, but we actually have quite an interesting mix of both. Our people seem to be very purpose-driven, so they value the possibility to work with experts from different business areas and different fields, and also to be able to leave their fingerprint in the built environment through the projects. I mean, I'm leading tech. Our people are interested also in the technology. They also value the fact that they're able to work with leading technology, with the solutions that we provide.

It's long answer, but shortly, it's about the culture, and the purpose, and the technology.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Thank you. A short question to the other ones here on the sofa. How do you see the collaboration between digital solutions and other functions at Sitowise?

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

If I start.

Yeah.

Digi isn't not the Silo. It, we are working together. Example, in many, almost every big infra project, there are. Our Louhi product is there.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm.

Jannis Mikkola
Lead of Infrastructure Business, Sitowise

We are putting all the information from the project there, and the client can use it, we can use it, and also the residents can do the feedback using that tool. We are using lot and lot of that. That was just the one example.

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

Yeah, for if I continue from IT's point of view, I think we share a lot of critical capabilities between Digi, and together we can help other PAs to fulfill their targets. Actually, the Louhi is a good example. That part of the Louhi is also implemented in Voima, so basically, we share it with all PAs.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Of course, also in the part of most innovative, developing digital solutions is nothing new to us, so we are kind of utilizing the proven concepts and technologies for our existing products while we produce some new ones to the market, and we understand how to grow them. Moving further, also, like in the project, even in the expert services, we can utilize these digital solutions or some of their components to become more efficient and quicker and create better value for our clients.

Yes. Thank you, Anna, for your presentation.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

Thank you.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Now it's time to invite to the stage Jonas, who has been leading our Sweden operations since 2002.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

Yeah, thank you. Nice to be here. I could have a Capital Markets Day of my own to be able to present everything about Sweden. I will, nevertheless, give it a try. Before entering into this company, I spent 24 or so year with one of our larger competitors. I actually decided to leave, for reasons that is obvious. Actually, I got the opportunity to join Sitowise. I have never regretted that. Actually, the opportunities in this company is huge. The opportunities in Sweden is also big. We have built a strong core since we started out in 2019 by the acquisition of Byggnadstekniska Byrån, the company that Heikki already told you, have a massive history, a strong actor within building design and structural engineering.

Since then, we have done several acquisitions, all of them with a purpose, actually, a purpose of building a platform, bringing the core and the knowledge we need to take on the Swedish market. We have managed to gather now 330 experts. We have 12 locations. Actually, if I would select this location without any legacy, probably I will have chosen eight of them still. That is actually rather impressive. When you acquire companies, you get what's in them. Actually, we have a good footprint. We are lacking a bit of presence in the northern part. We will fix that eventually. Being on the road, starting out now, integrating this into a strong company. I will try to explain to you where we are at the moment, what we are up to, and why we think that is good for Sitowise.

We have a strong growth momentum, as you can see. Of course, most of it is driven by acquisition, actually we have an above-market average organic growth underlying. That is important. We are acquiring cores to build on. The organic growth is sort of the evidence that we can handle the competition. Today, we are starting to get a sort of, a little bit of similar footprint in Sweden as we have in Finland, meaning actually that we have a fair share of building business, we have a fair share or a growing share of infra business. We also have a digital solutions core implemented in Sweden. That is good. That makes also collaboration between Finland and Sweden all the more easy to make. Three-fourths of our clients are in the private sector today.

We have a growing part of infrastructural business, and as you well-educated people have seen, we are not free from market headwind in the building sector in Sweden. Of course, we are looking for, you know, also having a little bit more of public clients. On the other hand, in the counterpart from sort of residential building, our footprint is very good. We are not so exposed to residential building. We are more into institutional buildings, infrastructural buildings, and industrial buildings, meaning actually that we are coping rather well with the building segment. On the other hand, we are also growing the pure infra sector. We are rather happy about that. Actually, up until today, we are proud to say that we have an established platform with the Sitowise brand.

It's possible for us to grow further as Sitowise in Sweden. We have the strong core we need. These companies we have bought are excellent in their line of expertise. We are not competing with everyone everywhere. We are in selected niches, but there we have a strong core, and we are positioned in the front of our current offerings, and I will tell you more about that. Our idea is actually buy and build, not only buy and collect, actually buy and build. To give you a little bit of flavor of what we actually are doing in Sweden, I will flip through a couple of project that is rather typical. This is the City Gate project. City Gate project, the City Gate is a high-rise building in Göteborg. It showcases a couple of things.

One is actually that we are one of the most competent structural engineering actors in the consultant market in Sweden. That is not the only thing. Here, we have a brilliant example of our strong commitment into true sustainability and true efficiency. That is actually when we get the pre-design, our experts see that this pre-design is not up to spec. It is actually made in a too big of a hurry, and we can see actually that they have designed in a couple of solutions and a lot of concrete, actually. That is not really good.

Again, being brave enough to contradict the client that hasn't asked us and tell them, "Actually, client, there is a better solution here," we were able to they actually let us do a bit of a redesign recalculations, and the completely new design saved up 900 cubic meter of concrete, 260 tons of CO2, and actually a lot of confidence built with our with our clients. The next step would be, actually, I want to get a part of this 900 cubic meter of concrete savings into our pockets, but that's the next phase. Another case of actually what we do, a lot, as you saw in one of the pie charts, of what we do in Sweden is actually prefab design.

Prefab design, a lot of the houses you see, almost every one of them, have a fair share of prefab elements in the build. That means actually that parts of the building is manufactured on a factory, shipped to the site, and established and built together as Legos. That is driven by a couple of needs, actually, higher quality, lower risk, and lower cost. That means that this is typically price-pressured market, but it is a growing market, so how do you do? In our way, we have tackled this in two way. One is, as also pointed out before, we used our innovation capabilities and our R&D skills to develop our Tekla environment, meaning that we can increase, reuse, shorten, and squeeze the project together. That is one point.

The other point is actually that we are doing a fair share of offshoring. This is something we have been doing in the Swedish companies now for a decade, working with offshoring to Latvia and to India. That makes some of our business units specialized on prefab are actually our most profitable units, even though it is actually a challenged market segment. That means actually that we get to keep it alone, because the big ones don't dare to go there because they always lose money on it, but we prevail. This is a good example of innovation and efficiency. Again, being a smart city company, as Sitowise, also in Sweden, we have all the ambition to be sort of a good Sitowise operation in Sweden, and we are on a route. We have the Infracontrol Online.

Infracontrol is a Swedish entity integrated operationally into the Swedish sort of core, on the other hand, operating as part of our digital offering. In this case, this is actually a cloud-based IoT platform for municipalities to actually taking care of a lot of reporting, maintenance, and controlling needs of all sorts of system, both new systems and legacy systems. In this case, we added value to this by adding AI-driven cameras on garbage trucks. What can you do then? You can actually screen and scan the whole road network of Helsingborg in two weeks while picking up the garbage. Cost savings of 80% compared to the usual way of doing it, actually sending out people or trucks to actually just monitor the roads, but also getting the data into the same system they already have in use.

Infracontrol Online is used by over 120 municipalities in Sweden. This is actually showcasing the potential of this system when we actually take it further. Good example of both innovation, efficiency, and sustainability. The last case is about industrial installations. In this case, our pharma knowledge gives us an edge. We have been a selected partner for clients, in this case, KeyPlants, for several projects. KeyPlants is a world leader in creating modular pharma production units or labs, and in this case, it was about vaccine factory for Senegal in Africa. 300 million doses of vaccine per year, this modular off-site construction makes it possible to actually build them in a factory in Sweden, ship them to Africa, build them together, and start production in weeks. That puts high demand on the consultant.

We need to not only know, you know, installations and HVAC and utility piping, and 3D modeling, we also need to actually understand how to document, quality assure, and validate and pre-validate, and creating technical files for the pharma industry. That is not given when you are just doing installations for daycare centers. This is actually tough for real. This means actually that we have the capabilities, and we have a growing market for pharma clients, but also other industrial clients that we intend to explore. We have a good starting point. We have done a lot of work creating. Actually, we have been on this M&A streak for a long period of time, and we are being on this creating Sitowise Sverige streak only for one and a half year.

We have the organic growth, we have done the acquisitions that we really need, we have made an entry into infra, we have the stable operations, we have married these companies together into a strong starting point with a Sitowise label on it. Now we are ready to take on the future, and we want to be one of the contenders. We want to be the challenger and the disruptor. You know, you all know that we have competitors in Sweden, some of them a lot bigger than us, with a solid track record and good performance. We have to beat them, and we have to beat them by being better than them, not being bigger.

We have to select, and we want to select the areas that grows, and we want to select the areas that is either hard, meaning actually that if we are good, we can get it alone, or actually profitable. We will take position in Sweden based on our strategic pillars because they fit us like a glove. We want to be the challenger that implements new routines, new design ways, new materials. A lot is about materials and reuse and optimization. We want to be the efficient player that is really strong in the segments we have wanted, selected, also internally in our project execution, our resourcing, using offshoring. We want to disrupt also in business modeling. What if I could have kept 100 tons of concrete for myself? I think we have a bright future.

We are not alone in Sweden, not by a long shot, but we have a great potential, and I am absolute confident that we actually can go do something really good in Sweden in the coming years. Thank you.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Thank you, Jonas, and please join the conversation here on the couches. We just heard the story of Sitowise in Sweden, but maybe to go a bit beyond Sweden, how has been the collaboration between Finland and Sweden on this journey?

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

We have an excellent. Actually, we are talking about silos. I see no silos in Sitowise, I think that is so good. I only see focus. I see the silos that we sometimes are referring to is the needed focus, not to actually lose track on the ball. Actually, everyone is very open, and we are sort of seamlessly leveraging the competence, the references, and the experience that we have over the Baltic Sea, and I think it makes us unique. I don't think, actually, our competitors are.

That good at that.

Yeah. Yeah, Turo, you've been quite heavily involved with all of this.

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

Yep.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

What are your, kind of, thoughts about the collaboration between Finland and Sweden?

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

It has been really good. Of course, it's a lot of work from IT's point of view, especially. Complex projects with a lot of moving parts. For example, we are consolidating smaller companies to the Swedish entity. At the same time, we are trying to adjust the IT platform to this Nordic level. We are in the process of bringing Voima to Sweden.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

Mm.

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

Hopefully, it will bring the same benefits there, and of course, there's a lot of synergies. For example, I think, cyber security is one of these, where we can together answer the needs of the clients.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

That is actually one of our strong points. To be relevant in Sweden tomorrow. Actually, I think the Swedish market is as requiring as the Finnish market when it comes to cybersecurity and sustainability. Actually building up that competence ourselves while growing into our costume, that would be immensely expensive. Now we can just get Turo here.

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

Flip the switch.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

Yeah.

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

Yeah.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

Exactly.

Turo Tinkanen
CIO, Sitowise

Exactly.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

That's how we do it and otherwise.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

That is true. Still, Sweden is no walk in the park.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

No.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

What makes us distinct?

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

A big park.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

A big park.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

Yeah.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

What makes us stand out from the competition in Sweden?

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

Yeah, I think actually, we have no legacy. That is a good thing. We don't have to defend what we did, you know, a decade ago in Sweden. Of course, we have the legacy of our companies.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Mm

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

We should be aware of that, and should be proud of what they've done. We could be more to the point, and I think we could focus on the stuff that makes us relevant tomorrow. By being a little bit more pointy than some of our already maybe too big competitors, I think actually we could push the envelope a bit for our clients, bringing value to the clients, and they like that, and they don't like too big self-conscious actors. I think they like hungry, challenging actors that actually is committed to bring value, and that is what we want to do.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Yes. Passionate experts, right?

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

Yeah.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Yeah. Thank you, Jonas. You showed us the many opportunities that we have in Sweden. That was really interesting. Next, we will learn about our buildings business area. Heikki will come here and present us about combining expertise and efficiency in buildings business.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Thank you, Minttu. Yes, exactly. Let's have a look then at what's cooking in our building business. I'll do the presentation as we are just recruiting a new leader for the building business, but I can say that it's progressing well. Buildings business has been growing really well the last years. The growth in the recent years has been driven very much by the acquisitions, although actually also the market has been really good until late or, like, mid 2022 last year. Some parts of the business are facing very hard time right now, as I just explained earlier today, and, of course, due to the low construction market activity, we are also seeing now the slowness, also, like, starting in the renovation market. There, the, some of our customers are also postponing investment decisions.

I'll explain this a little bit more in detail later on. Let's first discuss what do we do in buildings and what sets us apart from the competition in this area. Service offering covers everything needed during the life cycle of a building, including design, engineering, surveys, project management, and then expert services. To reduce the dependency from the cyclically strong new construction market, we've been taking active steps to diversify both our offering towards renovation, but also to these special services, such as fire safety services and then also acoustics planning. Already today, we offer services to a very, very diverse client base: real estate investors, municipalities, cities, housing corporations, government, and basically the whole market, except private citizens are covered.

What is then our competitive advantage and the reason for our clients to choose us? The short answer is that we are the expert making buildings smarter and also more sustainable. Our, our expertise, sustainability, and digital abilities create a combination that allows us to create new and also smarter solutions for the construction industry. We have expertise in exceptionally challenging construction projects, such as the complex high-rise apartment buildings that are planned here in Keilaniemi, Espoo. You show the pictures earlier today. Then also the Kalasatama underground metro line and so on. We have also expertise in overall underground building, and a good example of that is, like, the Meilahti hospital area, which has been done earlier.

At the same time, we are also very customer-oriented and also efficient for smaller and more conventional projects. The second reason for our clients to choose us is efficiency. Actually, Buildings' story is all about efficiency. We help to optimize and also enhance real estate industry value chain. Thanks to the widespread of clients and also projects, we have a lot of data on the built environment overall. This means that actually in some cases, we might actually have more data on real estate assets than their owners, and this enables us to offer them well-thought-through and holistic services. Based on this data and our expertise, we can also challenge our clients to be more ambitious in their plans.

Third angle related to value creation is that our growth in Buildings has very much been driven by M&As that have both added to our geographical reach, but also the service portfolio in Finland total. We have now a comprehensive presence in whole Finland, and of course, capabilities then to deliver our services. We are really local at the same time, that helps to meet the customer needs well. Let's move on to see what are our focus areas in Buildings in the future. First of all, we cannot ignore the market, as said. Despite the mega trends that are supporting the short-term outlook, today, for the construction market looks pretty challenging.

We want to, of course, mitigate the impacts of the current market, and they are very straightforward things. On client project work, our focus is on sales and taking care of our good margins. In the downward market, the price competition has clearly increased, and we try to mitigate the price reductions there, and naturally, to keep the good margins what we've had. This overall means that we are looking very carefully at the sales, pricing, project management, and also internal processes. At the same time, we also, as I also said earlier, so we continue to look at possibilities to reduce the cyclicality of our Buildings business.

Last year, we took an important step already by acquiring the renovation company called Rakennuttajakaari, and now we are the biggest renovation company in Finland. Also, we are providing these expert services or special services more and more, and they are coming with better margins, such as this acoustic planning and fire safety service, what I explained. Also to further diversify our client base, especially in the private sector. We've been quite much in the public one, but the private brings also further opportunities for us. The third clear focus is at the new smart services.

Of course, all of the Sitowise management team have already shared great examples of these kind of new services, and I believe that that's also the future in the Buildings, and those can then come on top of the business what we have already today. In future, we'll drive value with high-demand services and smart buildings initiatives, and there's focus on three different things. First, developing proprietary tools to improve efficiency of design processes even further. The key to succeed here is to keep our people innovating, even in more challenging times, and it also requires time. It's very important also to engage our clients and other stakeholders to take part, and together, we really have a real chance to improve and even disrupt the processes for the whole real estate base.

The second is to continue on our path in helping our clients to lengthen the life and sustainability of their properties. Sustainability impacts are considered in each design phase and decision, from building material optimization to energy-efficient solutions. We also help our clients to lengthen the life cycle of their assets and make them more energy efficient. We'll also address the growing needs for security of buildings, and here again, the links to digitalization of processes and solutions are very close. The third focus area is efficiency, so we'll focus on it in two different ways: so both to bring further efficiencies to our clients, and then, of course, secondly, to provide efficiencies for our own ways of working. Here was a building business in a nutshell. I'll move on here.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Thank you, Heikki. Has the share of turnover from construction companies declined with the market, and what is our response to that?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yeah, naturally, it has been now declining a bit. At the same time, actually, as I just explained, we have a wide customer base or client base, there we can, of course, further expand that one as well. We have this new market or, like, new opportunities in the market, which are more growing, such as, like energy, logistics, or building automation, and so on. Of course, addressing those ones is a clear priority for us.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

We have here on the slide one, renovation, construction, project. How do you see the renovation sector and repair debt affecting Sitowise building operations in the next few years?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yeah, the renovation debt overall is clearly stacking. Then, of course, a consequence of that is that the buildings get into a worse condition, and then normally it leads to a situation that there are some unplanned repairs, and they are probably quite costly as well. Of course, this should be avoided. Thinking about this smart services, what I also explained, we already have one new solution or service actually, which would be then tackling this issue, and it's about, like it's renovation debt management tool and service, then helping the property owners to also make wise choices, invest in the right moment.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Renovation backlog is our friend, too, as the trend too.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yeah.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Yeah. The last question to all of you: how do we ensure that top-notch client experience and information flow across BAs is happening?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Maybe I can still start with that one.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Yeah.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

I would anyhow, say that actually we've already today seen several cases where that has been happening.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

In our intro video, of course, now the team has been showing those cases, Middle Pasila development, including Tripla, Kruunusillat, and Keilaniemi project, there are several of them. We've been working a lot cross-business area. Of course, still thinking about the future, now, this innovation culture.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Is something that I'm really much looking forward to that one. That should be then, of course, further boosting the cross-business area initiatives.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

I think you're absolutely right, Heikki. I think this is actually the culture we build. We build the culture where everyone is, of course, meeting clients. Most of our people are meeting clients every week. Again, if we can get the team from the beginning, that our only purpose here is actually to cater for our clients.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

Then when information and knowledge flows free through Voima and other tools that we have, we can almost every time bring something to the client. That is actually a spirit that I already see. I think we can improve it, but I think we are fairly good at it.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

Maybe building on that, we can maybe raise the bar regarding our sales excellence as well.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

That's something that goes cross-business areas.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

And we are currently working on. Very pragmatic example from my business area, but as you mentioned earlier, many of the digital solutions, the products that we have today, they actually cater to our customers' needs throughout the life cycle.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

They're integrated into their operations, so I feel, as you mentioned, Louhi, our product portfolio can also support other business areas.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

in providing their services along the full life cycle.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

We are having the sales teams, horizontal sales teams, that are following the leads.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Mm.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

For all the business areas.

Anna Wäck
Lead of Digital Solutions, Sitowise

Yeah.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Just not the one.

Yeah, exactly, even last week, we just had a open lab day in The Smart City Lab, discussing circularity in infrastructure construction, taking sustainability expertise from the building side, taking sustainability expertise from the infrastructure side, taking getting data knowledge from the digital solutions unit, also expertise and the tools from Louhi to solve one big problem in land mass management. That's a good example of where we kind of bring a ton of expertise in one meeting.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Thank you, all. We got a pretty heavy information package here, now during the last almost two hours, and now it's time for break. Isn't it, Sami?

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Exactly. We will continue with the summarizing insights and Q&As, but now with the break. Take your time and get back at 16:00 Finnish time, sharp. Thank you.

Minttu Vilander
Sustainability, Communications, and Brand, Sitowise

Thank you, all.

Sami Lankiniemi
Head of Innovation, Sitowise

Thank you.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Thank you. It's time for the final session here. Hope you have enjoyed the day already since this moment, also got some new insights about Sitowise. It's time to recap. What has been discussed, then what is our target state for each of the businesses going further, and then how do we plan to maintain the industry-leading profitability? Let's go through business area by business area. As Jannis described, Infra's focus will be on the profitable growth with market-leading client and also employee satisfaction. This will be achieved by continuing the existing business growth and also providing new smart Infra services, expanding operations more broadly to the entire life cycle, and investing in sustainable development initiatives, and then implementing also the smartest ways to work.

Our target for the future is that Infra continues to have the widest service portfolio, is known especially for its environmental services, continues to have the industry-leading profitability, and also has created new business with smart Infra services. Digital solutions focus will be, as you heard from Anna, on continuing the strong growth with special focus on SaaS business, which is coming with higher margins. The key actions include generating growth by influencing and also disrupting the industry with new product, services, and business models. Also, winning profitably in our number one own niche, and then accelerating growth in the SaaS business, geographical expansion, new customer groups, and also focused M&A are the directions.

Our target for the future is that the digital solutions has established its position as the digital disruptor of technical consulting, and at the same time, maintains its already leading position in the geospatial solutions. Our target is that digital solutions has scalable and efficient business model with rapid growth and high profitability, and that digital solutions has seen significant SaaS business, then contributing well to our 10% recurring revenue target in the future. In Sweden, we'll continue to grow by strengthening our position in selected segments, as Jonas explained, and also continue to focus on the M&A. The key directions include, first of all, being innovative in our own area, also by utilizing the cross-border opportunities between Sweden and Finland, and then challenging the existing business models, both in our own and also in client ends.

Secondly, we focus on gaining a position as a preferred sustainability partner for selected clients. Our third focus area is to push project efficiency further to create value for our clients, and this we do by leveraging the use of tools and using offshoring when suitable. In 2025, we want to be the preferred partner in our core expertise, a focused approach that allows us to take even stronger market position, have scalable, efficient operations, be known, and also attractive employer in Sweden, and be the challenger and disruptor in selected segments, and also then grow further into the industry side. Buildings. Buildings will focus on driving value with high-demand services and then smart building initiatives.

Concretely, this means that buildings will develop proprietary tools to improve efficiency of design processes even further, continuing the path in helping the clients to lengthen the life and sustainability of their properties and focusing on efficiency, and that will be done in two manners: efficiency of our clients' processes, but then also our own ways of working. The target for 2025 is that we have succeeded in increasing the resilience of the business by focusing on selected higher margins segments, and we have the best client experience, and then we are the forerunner in the sustainable building design. Smart buildings also having life cycle solutions, providing new businesses, and that we have efficient business overall with good profitability.

Let's have a look at our outlook in general, and also the targeted margin level by business area, and I'll comment them also business area by business area. Firstly, building, we expect the growth overall to be low single-digit in Geiger, mainly because of the current market environment. We see that the margin can improve to double-digit when the market picks up, and we are able to capture the growth with the new business opportunities, what we have been going through today. Infra's growth, we expect to be good during the coming years, and we'll expect to outpace the market growth there, as we have also done so far. Also, they're having a solid profitability, especially when we are getting the growth from the environmental design and overall sustainability services.

Digital solutions will continue to grow in a strong manner. There's a demand for our services. We are creating market. We are targeting at clearly higher margin for that business area, mainly with the help of the SaaS business. In Sweden, we expect to see decent growth during the coming years and also having a double-digit margin business there. Finally, just wrapping up that, why to invest in us overall? Key points: we are clearly leading player in a growing market. We have a new clear strategy, clear directions, actions, how to move on. We have a broad service offering and also client base as well.

Our strategic pillars are already part of our DNA, as you've heard today, and those are the items where we'll continue to focus heavily during our strategy period. They are then bringing us competitive advantage. We have a successful platform, also financial track record, cash flow, which is strong, and that will be helping us to grow further also with the acquisitions. Overall, we are an attractive employer, so we have all the elements to grow profitably going further. Now, ending the presentation part of today, I think it's time for the questions.

Speaker 14

Carnegie, couple of questions. Have you changed your thinking around M&A and or leverage now that interest rates have clearly increased?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Let's put it so that, of course, we are keeping an eye on these opportunities all the time and managing our M&A pipeline. Of course, in this kind of situation, we need to keep clear eye on also on the leverage and that we are making wise choices. As Hanna also explained earlier today, naturally, we continue to focus on those kind of attractive cases where we have a clear investment case, higher EBITA margin than what we basically have, and then that there would be naturally a cultural fit, which will be also then supporting with the integrations. Anything to complement, maybe?

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Yeah, well, I think.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Of course, true that the interest rate environment has changed.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Quite a bit during the past year.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Of course, we need to take that into account, and the acquisitions need to provide sufficient yield into the money that we invest. I wouldn't say that it's a big mentality change. I think we balance between the leverage, keeping our balance sheet in shape, and then.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

The right investments. As said, our kind of typical valuation multiples have been pretty modest, so then we can tolerate a bit more.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Of the kind of debt cost as well.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Speaker 14

Okay, salary inflation is quite high this year, higher than normally. How well do you think you can raise prices in order to compensate for that impact?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

When it comes to pricing, we've had a heavy focus, I would say, the last year on pricing in many different ways. I would say that in all of the businesses, that's been a high-priority item, especially in the digital business and also Infra segment, we've been able to manage it pretty well. Maybe it's good to say also that, of course, now in the building business, because of the construction market downturn, actually also increasing prices is not so easy because there's a, like, a big competition on these works that are available. There it has been a bit tougher.

Speaker 14

Okay, related to the Swedish business, you are still not that big player in Sweden. In what kind of time frame do you think you can become a more established player over there?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

I would say that we have already, like Jonas today explained, we've taken several steps already during our story. We have a Sitowise brand there, we've been growing actually really well, both in the organic way, but also with the acquisitions lately, also thinking about way for further. We'll continue to have a focus on the M&As, we have ways to also for the organic growth. As Jonas explained, several different cases where we see the selected segments where there are higher margin cases. I would say that, of course, we are aiming at that next big milestone now, already, like, very close to our strategy period.

Speaker 14

Okay, thanks. Finally, valuation levels for consultants, including Sitowise, have obviously declined here during the past year. What is your thinking around doing buybacks instead of acquisitions?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Do you want to take this one?

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Yeah. That's a good.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

And relevant question, of course. We shouldn't and we are not going to comment on our share price that much, but you're right that the multiples are kind of not at their peak. I think in any case, we've been able to do acquisitions even at a lower multiple than our own, so there is this kind of a multiple arbitrage, if you wanna call that. They are still attractive. Share buybacks, obviously, we consider we have an authorization, but as you pointed out, no, we haven't done such. I think we kind of seem to have good ideas for other uses for cash. We are not lacking ideas. But let's see. Nothing going on at the moment.

Speaker 14

Okay, thank you.

Speaker 13

Yep. Concerning the utilization rates, you have said that the sort of in the past, you have had good utilization rates compared to peers, but now, for example, in Q1, we saw some pressure. What are you ready to do, if needed, to keep them up? How do you generally see what will happen to the utilization rates?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yes, exactly. Of course, in the past, we've had a high utilization rate, and our goal is at 78%, as today shared. Okay, during the first quarter, we were having a bit of a gap there. Still, of course, now thinking about the different ways how we improve the situation is that naturally, we today talk about this smartest ways of working. That's all about process efficiency. We remove waste from all of our internal processes, then we are able to focus on the customer and project work, and that's a key thing, and of course, it's like a continuous work at the same time.

Of course, now, also in this kind of market environment, we are pretty selective also with all kind of like, internal, events and these kind of happening, also partially with the trainings and so on. Of course, balancing between the employee satisfaction and get that excitement and inspiration, and then the utilization rate, those are the key things there.

Olli Koponen
Senior Equity Analyst, Inderes

Olli Koponen from Inderes. A few questions from my side. First, on the megatrends, and specifically on the kind of sustainability, how would you say the kind of sustainability or green investments could kind of affect your market outlook? Are you kind of seeing any effects from the kind of sustainability trend at the moment in the market?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

I would say that, of course, overall, of course, the green transition is clearly accelerating the overall market growth, and that's a fact. We already have a good share of that one, of course, all what we today explained is about taking even bigger share of that growth overall. As said, where we are going to focus a lot is the renewable energy, climate change mitigation, then also a circular economy, biodiversity. All of them are providing significant possibilities for us, we're going to heavily focus on those ones. Anything maybe, Hanna, to complement?

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

No, I think that's.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yeah

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Good and complete list. Of course, it's a lot.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yeah.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Investment activity in the Nordics-

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

-as in other parts of the world.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

I think in the Nordics, we get the fair share of that.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Of course, we want to be part of that movement.

Olli Koponen
Senior Equity Analyst, Inderes

Relating to that, do you think that you are missing out opportunities here now that you are not doing kind of broad business in the kind of energy or industrial fields of this business?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Of course, in the past, we haven't been in the like process industry business, and that's also for a good reason, and that's not going to be in our focus in the near future either. Of course, what comes to the other business areas related to energy, we need to, of course, strengthen also our presence there. We've also today mentioned the sales excellence overall. We are renewing our sales excellence model, and there will be heavy focus on energy, especially the renewable energy solutions. We see that there's something where we need to just focus on more.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Maybe I can say that.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Of course, even if the.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

The core of the process industries, or those designs are not our core.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Of course, there are complementing areas.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Like electrical design to, like, industrial establishment. I think we have projects like this.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm. Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Kind of around the, like, a core industrial process.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

We still do have expertise, and of course, that's-

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yeah.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

That's beneficial in this environment.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yeah.

Olli Koponen
Senior Equity Analyst, Inderes

Okay, last one from me. You showed the kind of EBITDA margin kind of targets for the business areas. How much you have to kind of improve in different business areas from this point to the kind of target that you kind of outlined there in the presentation? Can you answer?

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Do you want me to try?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

You can try.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Yeah. Obviously, as you well know, we're not disclosing.

Olli Koponen
Senior Equity Analyst, Inderes

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Business area profitabilities. These were, like, indication of the target, which we see realistic and achievable during the time frame. I think it's kind of maybe fair to say that in this market environment, Buildings has maybe most to kind of work on. Obviously, I think we didn't put the numbers there for. We just didn't invent them from thin air, so there is some thinking behind those. I think that's maybe more, kind of what we can say unless you want to complement.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Maybe just complementing on what I already said earlier. Of course, in front of Digital Solutions, we have a really profitable business, and that already explains quite a lot.

Mari Reponen
Head of Investor Relations, Sitowise

Let's take a couple questions from online next. First is about mega trends regarding digitalization and cybersecurity drivers. What are the main revenue and or operational expense drivers in this field?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yeah. Of course, I would say what comes to basically both, but especially digitalization. Naturally, as I've said also earlier, looking at the whole industry, the industry is not very digitalized yet, especially compared to some other industries. There's, like, a huge potential in the whole industry, and it means basically two different things. Firstly, of course, several companies are looking at ways to improve the operations, automating processes, getting rid of the waste, and digital solutions are helping with that one. That's number one thing.

Of course, the second thing is that naturally providing new kind of total services, so helping the customers, providing value-added services for the customers, and that using data in a wise manner, using artificial intelligence, like also Anna showed examples today. These are the big drivers overall, and of course, we see that we are strong there, and those are the items where we also want to focus a lot. Maybe cybersecurity overall, we are also having several clients already today from.

To which we are providing basically, like, a planning of those kind of, spaces where they can also work with the security-critical services, and those kind of, those kind of, opportunities, start to be more and more on our table as well.

Mari Reponen
Head of Investor Relations, Sitowise

Related to the expenses, here is also a question about: How do you finance the investments to these new initiatives? Anna was mentioning that we are not sort of spending money here and there, so a question about how we finance the growth in this area.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Well, obviously, we do generate good cash flow, as said, it's just up to us as a team to choose where we put those, that money. Obviously, it's like M&A targets. You can have other investments, like traditional investments, and then you can have a, let's say, digital or other innovation initiatives kind of fighting for the capital. I think it's up to us to choose where do we get the best out of our money. I think that's what I would say.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Mari Reponen
Head of Investor Relations, Sitowise

We also have a question to Hanna about the new pricing logic for our services that you mentioned in your presentation. Could you elaborate a bit more what they are?

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Now I think that maybe refers to this recurring revenue businesses. I think my business colleagues maybe would be even better, but I guess what I can just say, and then you can complement, is that obviously, traditionally, we get paid by the hour or then by project, where it's based on estimated hours. If we are, for example, selling a source product, then there could be a, like, annual fee, and then that's paid, and then the service or product is kind of delivered, and then that's, like, detached from the actual work during that year. I don't know if, Heikki, you want to complement anything on that?

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

No, I would also assume that the question is related to that one.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Mm.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Oh, that's anyhow.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Mm.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Of course, yeah, recurring revenue also, but in addition to that one, okay, we've been talking about the SaaS business models, but of course, there could be also, like, DaaS, the data as a service, so maybe platform as a service when going further.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Mm.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

And all those kind of things. When we are able to take full advantage of the artificial intelligence also in our current engineering or designing work.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Mm.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Naturally, we also need to then think about different kind of business logics there.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Mm, and we.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

These are.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Mm

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

With we are working.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Yeah, of course, the difference is that then you do more of the work beforehand. You kind of put.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Efforts to develop that product or whatever service that is.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Once it's up and running, then you leverage it, then you can scale it up to hopefully more clients, and then just kind of.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Yeah.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Continue putting some development efforts, but mostly.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Hanna Masala
CFO, Sitowise

Then enjoy the returns.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Mm.

Mari Reponen
Head of Investor Relations, Sitowise

Okay, thank you. Do we have any following questions from the audience here in on-site? Let's take a question then to Jonas and Sweden. We have received a question related to the competitive position of Sitowise in Sweden. How are you going to differentiate from your large competitors and beat them in Sweden?

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

In one way, you could say the easy answer is we won't differentiate from our competitors because they are already very good, they are saying pretty much the same thing that we are saying here, I'm sure. They are investing in AIs, they are investing in sustainability, they are investing in SaaS and whatever. Again, I think that is not the game. The game is to be better at the game, and that means that we have to be even more selective. Where do we want to play? If we want to play there, how can we take it one notch further? How can we actually ensure that if we are going for SaaS, we are going for SaaS in a more efficient way than the others?

I think, again, we need to be selective and focused and take every consequence of our wishes, and that is something that is very hard to do when you are, you know, 12,000 people in Sweden, as probably Sweco are. They are past that focused approach. I think our competitiveness comes from us being as skilled, more focused, and actually more agile than the others, and that will carry us for a while. Not forever, but for a while.

Mari Reponen
Head of Investor Relations, Sitowise

Thank you, Jonas. If we don't have further questions, here on-site, or online, then this concludes our Q&A for today.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

Thank you all.

Jonas Larsson
Head of Swedish Operations, Sitowise

Thank you.

Heikki Haasmaa
CEO, Sitowise

It's been a great day.

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