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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Apr 27, 2022

Pekka Rouhiainen
Head of Investor Relations, Valmet

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Valmet's Q1 2022 Result Publication webcast. My name is Pekka Rouhiainen, and I'm the head of investor relations here at Valmet. The presenters today are Pasi Laine, President and CEO of Valmet, and Simo Sääskilahti, the Business Line President of Flow Control. After the presentations, you will have the chance to ask questions over the phone lines. Pasi, please.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Thank you, Pekka. Welcome as well. The headline is today that orders received amounted to EUR 1.3 billion and comparable EBITDA to EUR 79 million in the first quarter. I have a little bit longer agenda today than normally. First, Q1 2022 in brief, then some words about merger with Neles, then some words about development of segments and business lines, financial development. Simo will come to talk about Neles Q1 numbers, and then I'll come back to the stage to talk about financial targets, guidance, and short-term market outlook. I will be presenting many slides today. First Q1 in brief. Our orders received totaled to EUR 1.3 billion. Net sales increased to EUR 960 million. Backlog is at record level, a little bit over EUR 4.4 billion.

Comparable EBITDA remained at EUR 79 million and remained at last year's level, and margin was 8.3%. Gearing after the quarter was 0. Here the numbers more in detail. Orders received EUR 1.3 billion, net sales EUR 960 million, comparable EBITDA EUR 79 million, and that was 8.3%. Like I said, backlog in the end of the quarter was over EUR 4.4 billion, and we employed about 14,400 people. In net sales Process Technologies segment, which I explain later on, was 58%, Services 33%, and Automation segment, including now only the Automation system numbers, was 9% of the net sales.

In geographic participation or geographical areas, Europe was about 39%, North America 18%, so quite much on the traditional level. South America 13%, China 20%, and Asia Pacific 10%. Comparing to, let's say, one and a half years ago, of course, the Chinese volumes have been going down, but still they are at a high level. Orders received has been growing and was nice at EUR 1.3 billion level again. The 12-month cumulative curve is now about EUR 4.7 billion. Good. Services business orders totaled to about EUR 2.04 billion, and I think this is a nice graph to show. We started at EUR 1 billion level.

We have been growing services from EUR 1 billion level to EUR 1.549 billion in order intake in last twelve months. Then Automation first full year was EUR 337 million, and now the LTM is EUR 490 million, so all together over EUR 2 billion. It's very nice that first time ever our order intake in stable business is over EUR 2 billion. Good achievement by Services and Automation. Backlog is at record level, EUR 4.459 billion. 75% of the backlog relates to Process Technologies, 20% to Services, and 5% to Automation, including all of the systems business of course currently. We are saying that about 60% of the backlog is expected to be realized as net sales during 2022.

Some words on the reasoning and merger with Neles. Like you all know, now Valmet and Neles have merged, and I'll describe the company in the next two slides. Like you remember, in 2020 we acquired about 29.5% of the Neles shares and paid EUR 456 million, and average share price was EUR 10.27. Now, the merger consideration in Valmet shares, and the value was about EUR 978 million. The total cost of Neles shares acquired by Valmet amounted to EUR 1,434 million. That's the total cost of the acquisition. Now what kind of company out of the merger? What kind of company we created?

We created a company with unique competitive and balanced total offering for process industries. In Paper, of course, we are strong in paper machines, board machines, tissue machines. In Pulp, we can make a whole pulp mill. In Energy, we have boilers and emission control. In Services, we have technology, all the services for all the technologies. Now in Automation, we have systems, but on top of systems, we have also the Flow Control offering, meaning valves, valve automation and valve controls. The core customers we can serve with the full offering, and then of course, especially Automation customers, we with Automation offering, we serve all the customers in process industries. Now the triangle is very strong in all the corners, in Process Technologies corner, in Services and in Automation.

One big change after the merger is that even if I'm very happy with this over EUR 2 billion LTM order intake in stable business, now with Neles it would have been even higher. Neles order intake LTM is EUR 667 million, meaning that if Valmet had been as Valmet is today, last year's order intake in stable business would have been EUR 2.7 billion. That's of course big change compared to EUR 1 billion where from we started. This acquisition of systems business and merger with Neles and organic growth have changed quite a lot Valmet's performance and offering.

Now like we have been telling, now we have good offering in automation from Neles and today's Flow Control business line, we have valves, we have valve automation, valve controls or total offering for valve customers. On the system side we have Distributed Control Systems, we have Quality Management Systems, and we have analyzers and measurements. The automation product offering is now twice what it was before the merger with Neles. Some words about development of segments and business lines. Starting from today, but of course, including the first quarter, Valmet has changed the financial reporting structure. We have now segments, three segments: Services, Automation, Process Technologies segment. From those segments, we tell orders received, net sales, comparable EBITDA, comparable EBITDA percentage, items affecting comparability, EBITDA percentage and amortization.

You will have a lot better visibility to Valmet's performance. We'll continue to report the business lines with orders received and net sales. In Services, the numbers are the same. In Automation Systems business line, we tell orders received and net sales, and the same from Flow Control, and these two together are Automation segment. Pulp and Energy we tell separately, Paper business line separately, and then these two business lines together are the Process Technologies segment. And then on top of that, we report comparable EBITDA, other, and other items affecting comparability. Meaning that they are mainly the head office costs which are not allocated to business lines. I hope this change helps you to analyze Valmet's performance and helps also us to explain Valmet's performance.

I hope you see this as a positive move from Valmet's side. I'm not going through this page because we have the same numbers later on. In services business line and segment here the numbers are the same. Orders received was EUR 451 million, and order intake grew by 18% compared to last year. Good growth. Last year still was of course affected by COVID, but we are very happy with the performance in services order intake. Net sales grew also from EUR 288 million to EUR 317 million, and that's also important because of course, once the services order intake growing, then of course the net sales has to grow as well. To the profitability last year, our EBITDA was EUR 36 million and this year EUR 30 million.

Even if we had higher net sales, our profitability went down, and I'll come back to percentage later on. In Automation, order intake was strong as well, EUR 147 million against last year's EUR 123 million. Net sales grew also to EUR 88 million, comparing to last year's EUR 37 million and EBITDA improved from EUR 5 million to EUR 11 million. Last year we had ERP project ongoing automation, so that affected the numbers a little bit. In any case we are now happy that Automation had a good start for the year. In Process Technologies, segment numbers are such that orders received for Process Technologies was 727 against last year's 807. I'll explain the difference from business lines.

In net sales, we grew from EUR 503 million to EUR 555 million. EBITDA was last year EUR 43 million and this year EUR 41 million. In Pulp and Energy, last year we had very big order booked in orders received, in first quarter and the order was Metsä Fibre. Order intake was very good. This year order intake was EUR 327 and, of course, if you see that as a quarter even if it's small, it was a good quarter for Pulp and Energy. Net sales was developing as planned as well, and ended up in EUR 276 million, an improvement almost EUR 40 million compared to last year. In Paper business line, we had again strong quarter.

400 million is of course very strong quarter and order intake grew by one million compared to last year even if last year's quarter one was strong as well. Net sales hasn't been developing that quickly, so our net sales was EUR 279 million, so EUR 4 million more than a year ago. There of course is quite a lot of discussion about situation in Russia, we of course are all very upset about the war in Ukraine, and we have been supporting our employees and partners in crisis area in all the possible ways. About 2% of our net sales came in 2021 from Russia.

We of course are making sure that we comply with all the sanctions and export regulations which are impacting either the products, of course country, product, customer, and financing. We are very careful that we comply with all the rules. In practice this means that it's very difficult to do any business anymore in Russia. We made a reversal of about EUR 70 million in our backlog. Backlog, this didn't affect the order intake in quarter one, so it was taken out from the older backlog, and the EUR 70 million is now away from our backlog. We estimate that it's very difficult for that backlog to materialize as net sales. Little bit simplifying the Russian business is not a big issue.

The big issue is that what kind of impact all this will have to the material prices, energy prices, and logistics once companies start to source everything from other origin than Russian origin. This will of course cause big changes in the logistics chains. For us, it's not a very big issue because our procurement from Russia was very small, but of course there are customers who are buying, for example, energy from Russia, and it will have an impact to their thinking. I will talk about financial numbers as well, and then later on when we have the question and answer session, Pekka will join me so that we are sure that we can answer your questions also from this perspective.

If I first go through the key figures, like I said, orders received was roughly at last year's level. Backlog has been growing by 20% compared to last year. Net sales was growing 12% compared to last year. Comparable EBITDA decreased by 1%. Comparable EBITDA percentage was last year 9.4% and now 8.3%, so declined by 1.1%. Operating profit EUR 63 million, and last year EUR 76 million. Our earnings per share was EUR 0.30. Return on capital 15%, and cash flow provided by operating activities EUR 19 million. Last year's EUR 148 million, and I say some words about that later on. Gearing was 0% compared to last year's 3%.

Here the segment figures are in a table and like you have maybe noticed, you have received also today the quarterly numbers for last year, so it's easier for you to compare this year's numbers with last year's numbers. I have gone through all the other numbers, so I focus on profitability. In Services last year we made EUR 36 million, and it was 12.6%. This year, EUR 30 million and 9.6%. Last year's total number was EUR 204 million and 15%. Of course it's clear to see that our Services didn't start as strong as it started last year. Of course that's now the focus area to make sure that the performance in Services will be adequate in 2022 as well.

Automation last year EUR 5 million, this year EUR 11 million, and last year the total year EUR 79 million. Now we started reasonably well to 12.1%. First quarter is usually in Automation a little bit slow, so this 12.1% is a good achievement comparing last year's 7.2% and last year's total profitability was 19.2%. In Process Technologies, total year last year was 8.1%. Last year first quarter 8.5%, and now 7.3%.

We had a little bit lower profitability in the first quarter and of course there continues to be a lot of work to be sure that profitability in Process Technologies continues on a favorable trend as well. All in all, I hope that these segment figures help you in analyzing the current performance and estimating the future performance of Valmet. Our SG&A gross profit was 23% and that was, of course, not at the level where it has been, so LTM is now 25%, so 2% down. Mainly the decline was caused by increasing cost levels, both in products but then also in indirect procurement or indirect costs. We had negative variations in both. SG&As were about EUR 20 million higher than a year ago.

Of course we have been growing, so we have a bigger amount of SG&A personnel. We have SG&A personnel salary increases, LTI and STI increases, and then of course traveling has started as well. Last year first quarter was still quite moderate when one thinks about the traveling amounts. All in all, one can of course not be happy that gross profit was 23% and SG&A 17%, so the gap between is not big enough. Looking at the graph how we have been developing, now the target is officially to make 12%-14% EBITDA, comparable EBITDA, and now the LTM is at 10.6%. Cash flow was EUR 19 million, and it's of course a lot lower than a year ago.

If we look at the graph which is showing the net working capital against the orders received during last 12 months, now we are close to 12% where we have been seeing that the average is. Last year, we were also saying all the time that now the net working capital is more negative than it usually is, and now we are roughly at the level where it normally is. This has caused now that the quarter cash flow has been only EUR 19 million. At least up to now, I haven't seen any big changes which will cause that. It's just that the net working capital is coming to the levels where it traditionally has been.

Our net debt is at EUR 3 million, and then gearing is 0%, so balance sheet is still strong. Equity to asset ratio has increased compared to last year, so it's 40%. Capital employed has been 24%. Comparable ROSE has been 24%. Earnings per share, if I remember correctly, was EUR 0.30. LTM is now EUR 101.91. This was quick overview of business performance and the numbers, and now I let Flow Control's Head of Flow Control, Simo, and ex-CEO of Neles to present his results.

Simo Sääskilahti
Business Line President of Flow Control, Valmet

Thank you, Pasi. Q1 orders, EUR 196 million versus EUR 154 million a year ago, and sales EUR 166 million versus EUR 129 million a year ago. I would say, volume-wise, a good start for a year. We saw growth throughout the market areas and also in Neles we are typically commenting also about how we are progressing in certain business types. We saw good development throughout the business types. Our pulp paper orders, project orders stayed on a good level. We also saw good development in oil and gas project orders.

It is still not at the levels that it used to be in, for example, 2019, but clearly moving ahead from a slow 2021 or year 2021. Our kind of more stable recurring business or services and MRO-driven business developing positively. In addition to the good organic development, we were also now reporting first time a full quarter of Flowrox business that we acquired in November of last year. There, the integration of that business is moving very well and also the orders were contributing to the growth and also the kind of funnel that our teams have been able to develop is developing well. I'm quite pleased with that development also.

That gives us a very good strong growth position in the growing metals and mining industry as a new area to grow in. Order backlog at a level of EUR 331 million, clearly up from the year-ago situation a year ago and also compared to the end of the year situation. As said, good sales volumes and also stable margins, sales margins and, as you can see, improved gross profit. Those were contributing that our adjusted EBITDA was on a good level, 16.1%. There were no adjustment items actually in the first quarter this year or the previous year, so this is also corresponding to the full EBITDA. Cash flow was the weak point. It was not satisfactory.

Main reason is that our net working capital grew, and in particular inventories. As we have been discussing earlier, there are continued to be issues in the global logistics and electronics components, so obviously that is impacting both margins, but in particular net working capital as we want to be prepared. That was Neles still in Q1 in a nutshell, and now we are the Flow Control business line. In addition to the good results, I would say that also during the first quarter, the team did a lot of work to plan for the integration and I can say that there's a good level of excitement about the merger and the opportunities that it will create for us now as part of Valmet. Back to you, Pasi. Thank you.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Thank you, Simo. That's good that Simo left his numbers here. I'm very happy that Neles' performance has been so good in quarter one. We believed in Neles and Neles is already now showing that the future of Flow Control will be a good business. No pressure to you, Simo. Here are the next topics, financial targets, guidance, and short-term market outlook. The financial targets, we were saying that after the merger, we changed the targets on two topics. Now the profitability targets is that comparable EBITDA should be between 12%-14%. Because of the goodwill which will be created in the merger, a comparable return on capital employed target will be reduced from 20% to 15%. Otherwise, the targets will continue like they are.

These are now the new targets. Guidance and short-term market outlook. We keep the guidance what we published on April 1. Valmet estimates that including the merger with Neles, net sales 2022 will increase in comparison with 2021 and comparable EBITDA in 2022 will increase in comparison with 2021. No change there. If we talk a little bit about short-term market outlook. In Services, order intake has been good in first quarter, and we still see a lot of activity, so we keep the outlook at good. Automation has now two business lines. Flow Control, we keep at good level. Like you saw, Flow Control's first quarter had very good order intake.

Of course we have to remember that there is some seasonality in the order intake, so that usually the first quarter is the highest quarter for Flow Control. Simo is nodding yes.

Simo Sääskilahti
Business Line President of Flow Control, Valmet

Yes.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Yes. Automation Systems had a good order intake, and the sales activity continues there at a good level as well. Pulp continues to be good. There aren't any major developments and big pulp mill projects, but there are still a good amount of small to medium-sized projects where our sales teams are active. In Energy, we still keep the outlook at satisfactory. But one has to say that of course this situation in Europe might lead to a situation that the demand for biomass boilers will increase and waste-to-energy boilers will increase. Board and Paper order intake has been good, and business activity continues at a good level. Tissue order intake has been reasonable in the first quarter, but still we keep the outlook at satisfactory.

There the issue from our customers' perspective is that increasing gas prices are affecting especially European tissue producers and then limiting the investment willingness in that segment. That's the summary of guidance and short-term market outlook and now I assume that it's time for question and answers and Pekka and Simo, please join me here.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question for the speakers, please press zero one on your telephone keypad. Our first question is from Antti Kansanen of SEB. Please go ahead.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Yeah, hi. Hi Pasi, Pekka, and Simo. Thanks for taking my questions. Firstly on the profitability and cost inflation, I guess both for Services and the capital businesses, could you possibly talk a little bit about how locked in are you with your pricing regarding kind of 2022 deliveries and sales versus kind of unseen cost increases? You have quite long backlog, so do we just need to kind of wait until you get through that and the pricing action is on new orders or can you do something regarding your existing backlog as it is?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

If I start a little bit from longer term, if we talk about Process Technologies or Paper and Pulp and Energy first. In paper, we can, when we make the contract, then we know quite much in detail when, what kind of machine we are delivering because the engineering is well advanced when we make the deal. Then big part of the manufacturing happens in our factories. Meaning that actually we are not that depending on the raw material changes. There the risk is limited. Of course, once we have the contract, we are open for cost increases. Of course, the cost increases will affect Paper business as well.

At the same time we have actions ongoing, improving our efficiency and improving procurement savings in other topics. I'm worried, but I know that our organization is doing quite good work on this topic. In Pulp and Energy, we have a situation that in Pulp and Energy project, the engineering is finalized maybe 6-9 months after the deal is done. Then we are open for the cost changes during that time. There, of course, we are also trying to now have contracts where we have different kind of clauses to try to save us from the material savings.

In both businesses, of course, we include, when possible, some kind of indexes in our own cost calculation to take into account the raw material changes, raw material cost changes. In Services, of course, the backlog is rotating quicker, and there we have longer contracts, for example, for paper machine clothing, where we have to make contract for two years with customers. That kind of contracts are of course delaying the possibility to push the prices up to the customers. Of course we work now quite much in making sure that when the costs are increasing to us, we have to put the cost pressure to our customers and not to bear it ourselves.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Yeah. I mean, I know that you don't guide for the margin for this year, but I guess it's probably overly optimistic to assume that kind of on a gross margin level you can reach the levels that you were last year given kind of the cost inflation that is now very visible on Q1.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

We are not guiding for that accuracy, but I hope the segment figures can a little bit help you in analyzing and estimating our future profitability.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Yeah. The second question was actually on those one, and I mean, thanks for the granularity for last year, but if you look at more longer term, is there something extraordinary on the last year's figures? I mean, I know that you've been improving profitability on group level throughout the years, but is there something extraordinary good or maybe extraordinary weak on the last year's profitabilities? Kind of reflecting on the margin target 12%-14%, any comments on what that would look like on divisional levels?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Of course, we have been improving all the time. These profitability numbers were good from historical perspective, but nothing extraordinary on the profitability of any of the segments. The same answer will be now valid as well as earlier that for Valmet to improve 1%, then if only one part has to improve, then it's 0.5%, and then if everybody's improving, then 1% is enough. We continue to push the profitability up in all the segments. Nothing extraordinary in last year's numbers except that, of course, they were record numbers all in all in Valmet.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Okay. Last one from me is on demand. I mean, your outlook is mostly good, and orders were strong in Q1, but have you seen any, let's say, softness or hesitancy in, for example, Europe among your clients after the war and also the situation in China with the lockdowns? Has that kind of impacted any longer term discussions or your pipeline?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Not yet. Not yet. Customer discussions have continued normally and then in China I'm more worried about actually then the consequences of the lockdowns in delivery capability and delivery accuracy. I haven't seen that it would be a challenge to our customers to invest, but more that can we keep the delivery time promises we have made. That's our big worry currently. Of course one could think that there might be some slowdown and hesitation in some decision-making in Europe because of the increasing cost level and increasing delivery times, but we haven't seen that happening yet.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

All right. Thanks, guys.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Johan Eliason from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Johan Eliason
Senior Investment Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah, hi, here Johan Eliason at Kepler Cheuvreux. Thank you for taking my question. Coming back to these sort of restated historical margin numbers, which I obviously appreciate finally getting to see. One thing has stood out in my eyes and that was sort of the 19% margin in Automation. I remember when you acquired it from Metso it was around 11%, if I remember correctly. There's been a dramatic margin improvement in the Automation divisions. What's behind that? Is there any specific changes that has happened during this year since you made this acquisition? Once again, is it sustainable? I mean, obviously this implies that actually Flow Control is sort of dilutive to the divisional margins going forward.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

No, that's exactly what we have been saying to Simo as well, so thanks for increasing the pressure, Johan. So thanks for making my job easier. But to all this Automation, I think it's Sakari, who was running it earlier, and Sami now, and the management team there has been doing good work over the years. Nothing special, just improving the sales capabilities. Of course, growing the business in Automation, it means a lot. So if you can grow the business, then improving the product competitiveness, introducing new products, and making sure that the product execution and service execution is good. So nothing spectacular, but improvement year after year. I think we have been all the time saying that we are very happy with the performance of our systems business.

Is it sustainable?

Johan Eliason
Senior Investment Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thank you.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

That's. Let's see how it goes, but good work by Automation team. Now I have to learn to say automation system team.

Johan Eliason
Senior Investment Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Now, I was wondering a little bit about your equipment customers. You mentioned that obviously the price of energy might impact them as well going forward. Isn't there also a sourcing of wood material from Russia, for example, into the Finnish paper industry that might impact your customers negatively locally? Or how does that look like?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

I don't remember now by heart the amount of wood which is coming from Russia to Finland, and of course it's not anymore coming, and I'm sure that our customers are finding ways how to source a little bit more from Finland. There is some potential in Finland and then of course importing some, and I'm quite confident that our customers will manage that.

Johan Eliason
Senior Investment Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Sven Weier of UBS. Please go ahead.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Yeah, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. The first one is coming back on the cost impact on margins in Q1. I was just wondering, would you think that Q1 was the worst in terms of year-on-year impact on the margins, and it starts to improve because also your backlog starts to improve higher prices? Should we think along these lines?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

No, of course, we are not giving quarterly estimates, but if you look at the total numbers, so if we are now saying that the EBITDA will increase, then with 8.3%, the volume should be very high for us to say that. So not giving any quarterly guidance, but of course our target is to improve from this 8.3% level and I'm not promising that we reach that, but of course the target has been to improve EBITDA percentage every year. Let's see what happens this year.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Understood. When I think about the new divisional structure and the additional disclosure, which I also find quite helpful, so we appreciate that. Just wondering inside Process Technologies, I mean, should we still assume there is a big difference between Pulp on the one hand, Pulp and Energy on the one hand, and Paper on the other hand, or are they not so far apart?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

That's now the total profitability we are saying, and we are not commenting on which of the business units is how much profitable because under Pulp and Energy there are still four business units, and then also under Paper. There are variations between those business units.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Yeah. As you said, I mean, in Paper, you have much more value added internally, so I guess that's something to keep in mind.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

There is more value added in Paper. Yeah. But I'm not commenting on the profitability.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Yeah. That's fine. Just technically, in terms of Flow Control and the former Neles business, is the former Neles entirely in Flow Control and in Automation, or is the service bit in the Services business?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

It will be entirely in Flow Control. There might be one little thing which is changing, but all the services are in Flow Control and all the products are in Flow Control.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Change would be also only within Automation, so

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Yeah, yeah. Yes, and very minor.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Okay. Makes sense. The final question I had was just on the CFO announcement from Katri. I mean, you said it's an interim solution. Was just wondering why it's not a permanent solution.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Yeah. Well, that's good because I forgot to mention this very important news, so thanks for asking the question. Like you know, Kari has resigned and that's why Kari is not here today either. Then of course we have to look to find solutions how to go forward. We have good internal candidates, many. Katri is one of them. Katri has been now nominated for the interim position. A big company like Valmet has to look at the total market. Of course we are looking also at what kind of capabilities and persons there would be available from external markets. Because we want to make this process thoroughly, then we needed an interim solution.

We asked Katri, and Katri has a long background in Valmet, started in 2006. She has a Master of Economics degree from Jyväskylä University. She has been working in our Rautpohja unit, has been working in our services, has been working in our Asia-Pacific as head of Asia-Pacific Controlling, and then currently is working as Head of Finance and Controlling in Pulp and Energy business line. She has very good versatile background of many businesses in Valmet, and that's why we asked Katri to take this challenge as interim CFO, and she accepted it. I'm very happy that Katri accepted our wish for her to be the interim CFO. She's not here today because she is now in Brazil, and physically it's difficult to be in Brazil and Finland at the same time.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, UBS

When I summarize what you just said, it doesn't rule out that she also becomes the permanent CFO.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

We have internal and external candidates.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Okay. Good to hear. That's it from my side. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Peter Testa of One Investments. Please go ahead.

Peter Testa
Director, One Investments

Hey, thanks for taking the questions. I have a couple. I'll go one at a time, please. Just on the service margin, and I was trying to understand how the component factor works through the intake and the forward margin, just conceptually. If you look at the speed of turnover, you have some contracts which are longer, you know, in the paper business, but most of the business including some significant short-term business that comes in on, as well. Can you just give us some understanding as to how quickly the repricing of the service backlog can or should happen in aggregate?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Roughly we are saying now that 20% of the backlog is coming from Services. Roughly 20% is in rough terms EUR 900 million. If the Services revenue is somewhere EUR 1.4 billion-EUR 1.6 billion, then you can start to calculate how quickly that turns. In business units, if you take spare parts there, of course the rotation is the quickest. Then comes roll services, then comes fabrics. Bricks, okay, that's difficult because there you have long-term contracts and then short-term purchases. Little bit more product type of businesses, Pulp and Energy solutions and board and tissue solutions have a little bit longer backlog.

It varies a little bit business to business, but if you calculate 900 out of 1.1-1.4, then you get somewhere to 6-7 months, and then part of backlog is turning quicker, part is turning slow.

Peter Testa
Director, One Investments

Yeah. You've been talking about the inflation environment for some time. When you look at intake and services, you know, Q4, maybe even before, were you already moving pricing on service intake at that stage to be able to take a view of what you'd been saying generally that there would be inflation?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

We started some actions in quarter three already in some of the units, but then one has to accept that not good enough actions and not in all the units. Some of our areas started to react to inflation already in quarter three, but unluckily not all.

Peter Testa
Director, One Investments

Okay. Your longer term contracts and service, do they tend to reprice on a sort of rolling basis, or do they really stay similar price for the whole period?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

We have some fixed prices for paper machine clothing, and there of course we try to talk with our customers if there would be some flexibility on the pricing. We do all the possible actions to increase the prices where necessary.

Peter Testa
Director, One Investments

Okay. Just on the Process Technologies part, you have, you know, some of the larger capital projects and some smaller ones. I was wondering on the larger capital projects, whether you were just taking a general view on the cost to deliver these projects and therefore this is kind of a through the delivery margin adjustment starting in Q1, or is there something more nuanced than that?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

We are not guiding the profitability of Process Technologies, but let's answer it that way that last year, the full year, if I remember correctly, was 8.1%, and this year, the first quarter was 7.3%. Once you start to see more quarters, you will be used to the situation that there are quarterly variations in our Process Technologies profitability.

Peter Testa
Director, One Investments

Yeah. Okay. I just didn't know whether you just were taking a view that the cost inflation, the way you can book through the life of the project is that you know based upon total project profitability. I didn't know whether there's a kind of you know a kind of over the project adjustment or whether it depends on phasing and timing of how much is booked in some quarters are up and down.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Oh.

Peter Testa
Director, One Investments

You see that on the cost base, you know, the different booking levels.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Of course, if we see that there's a cost increase in a project, then we reduce the margin, and then we are booking that with the lower margin, and then it also has impact to the P&L. Then we have to re-correct that project. All our projects are booked according to current customer on a cost level understanding.

Peter Testa
Director, One Investments

The last question is just on the intake margin. If you look at the intake margin on the Process Technologies business, to what extent, you know, given your comments earlier about some of these, you have still some engineering phases to do before you finalize, is the intake margin we're seeing reflecting, you know, current situation or is there still some adjustment to make and as you finalize some of the Pulp and Energy orders, for example?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Of course, the current order intake after the war has started has been quite small. Even if the orders-

Peter Testa
Director, One Investments

Mm.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Have been booked in quarter one, then some were booked in January, some in February, and then in March we have seen the cost increase. The project we have practically negotiated and booked are all pre-war orders.

Peter Testa
Director, One Investments

Yeah. Okay. No, thank you very much for the answers.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Just as a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press zero one on your telephone keypad. There'll be a brief pause while we register any further questions. Our next question is from Johan Eliason from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. I believe Johan has accidentally hung up, so there are no further questions at this time, so I'll hand back over to our speakers.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Thank you. Thank you for listening, and Pekka and Simo, thank you for supporting me. Good.

Pekka Rouhiainen
Head of Investor Relations, Valmet

Thank you.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Thank you. Now you can close.

Pekka Rouhiainen
Head of Investor Relations, Valmet

Yes. This closes the event now, and then we will have the second quarter report out on the twenty-seventh of July. I'll see everybody then, again.

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