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Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Jul 22, 2021

Pekka Rouhiainen
Head of Investor Relations, Valmet

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Valmet's second quarter 2021 result publication webcast. My name is Pekka Rouhiainen, and I'm the Head of Investor Relations here at Valmet. The headline for today is that during the second quarter, orders received increased to EUR 1.2 billion and the comparable EBITDA increased to EUR 95 million. Today's presenters will be Pasi Laine, President and CEO, and Kari Saarinen, the CFO. Before we start, let me just read an important notice out loud and ask everybody to pay attention to the slide. This presentation is to discuss Valmet's Q2 2021 results. Securities laws in the United States and in other jurisdictions restrict Valmet from discussing or disclosing information with respect to the contemplated merger with Neles Corporation. Information regarding the contemplated merger can be found at valmet.com/merger.

Under the completion of the merger, Valmet and Neles will carry out their respective businesses as separate and independent companies. The merger of Valmet and Neles and the merger consideration securities have not been and will not be registered under the US Securities Act of 1933 and may not be offered, sold, or delivered within or into the United States except pursuant to an applicable exemption of or in a transaction not subject to the US Securities Act. That's all from my side. Pasi, please go ahead.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Okay. Thank you, Pekka. My agenda is the traditional one. First, quarter two in brief, then development of business lines, then some words about very major order we received from Klabin in Brazil. Financial development will be presented by Kari, and then guidance and short-term outlook will be presented by me again. First, some highlights. Orders received increased to EUR 487 million in stable business. Our orders received in capital business increased to EUR 765 million. Net sales remained at previous year's level at EUR 943 million, and backlog in the end of the quarter amounted to EUR 4 billion. Comparable EBITDA increased to EUR 95 million, and margin was 10.1%. gearing was -1 . Here are the numbers and some pie charts as well. Like Pekka said, orders received was totally EUR 1,228 million, which is very good level for Valmet.

Net sales were EUR 943 million and comparable EBITDA EUR 95 million, and comparable EBITDA 10.1%. Backlog exactly in the end of the quarter was EUR 4.019 billion. We employed a little bit over 14,000 people in end of the quarter. By business line, paper represented 36% of the order index. Paper, strong market and a strong performance continues. Pulp and paper had a good month as well, 27%, because capital businesses were so strong then services corresponding to 30% and automation 7%. These are, of course, normally little bit higher numbers. Geographically, South America, due to the big contracting from Klabin was the biggest area, followed by Europe and China. China continued the strong performance also in quarter two in 2021.

When we look the orders received trend, now we are again with 12 months cumulative over EUR 4 billion, not at the record level, but close to the record level, which we achieved Q1 in 2020. Good development trend-wise. Like you see, last two quarters have been very strong. The earlier one, Q1, EUR 1.3 billion, now EUR 1.2 billion, altogether EUR 2.5 billion. Order activity built by area is little bit different compared to the Q2 only. Europe about 40%, China strong 24%, and now South America strong 16% as well. In stable business, our orders received totaled to EUR 1,827,000,000 during the last four quarters. Slight increase compared to earlier two quarters or even three quarters.

That's of course very important for us because we have a strategic target to grow organically and with the small acquisitions our stable business as much as we can. It's of course nice to see that we are now at the higher level in order intake than we were a year ago by EUR 62 million. Backlog, like I said, ended up being EUR 4,019,000,000 end of quarter two. Backlog is now over EUR 300 million higher than a quarter ago. We are saying that about 45% of the backlog is expected to be realized as net sales during 2021. At the end of quarter two, it was the same 45%. About 25% of the backlog is related to stable business, the rest to capital businesses. Strong backlog. Some words about the business lines. First, services.

Order intake was now in first half of the year EUR 756 million. EUR 30 million improvement compared to last year. That's of course very good. Net sales has been growing also by EUR 11 million compared to last year, so ended up being EUR 628 million in first two quarters. Market activity has improved or is good in North America, China. South America has improved. It's flat in Asia Pacific, and Europe is still having COVID impact. Europe is the market where we haven't seen the growth in services yet. All in all, good development in services. Of course, we still have COVID-related restriction in traveling and access to customer sites. Of course, graphical paper decline has continued in this year as well, which has impacted our services order intake. All in all, we are now in growth mode compared to last year.

Automation orders received total to EUR 239 million, so there is a EUR 25 million growth compared to last year. Good growth as well. Net sales hasn't been growing yet, and that's just timing, nothing else. Timing issue. We are of course happy that Automation has continued to grow, and even if COVID has been there, now the trend of 12 months order intake is even higher level than it has ever been. Nice development in Automation. Of course, like in services as well, we still have some traveling restriction impacting our Automation business. Automation has been strongly contributing to the development of Valmet during first two quarters of 2021. In Pulp and Energy, orders received increased to EUR 326 million in Q2, and it's a strong quarter again.

First quarter was even stronger, but now we have three strong quarters in a row, which means that now the order intake graph of 12 last months is now close to a little bit over EUR 1.1 billion. At a good level. Net sales has been declining a little bit, so decline it's now EUR 469 million compared to last year's first two quarters, EUR 506 million. The decline can be explained by this low order intake in third quarter in 2020 and second quarter in 2020. Now we are just timing-wise having a little bit lower revenue recognition than in the year before. Nothing special otherwise. Our organization has managed COVID very well.

Of course, we have challenges together with customers to manage COVID in all the sites where we are globally working, but our organization has been doing very good work on that respect in Pulp and Energy Business. Paper orders received in first half of the year EUR 803 million. Last year, EUR 522 million. Very strong first half of the year. Now the 12 months cumulative curve is already at EUR 1.3 billion level. We have had very strong beginning of the year or last year in Paper Business Line. Net sales has been developing nicely as well. Net sales is now, in first half of the year, EUR 574 million, growth by EUR 102 million compared to last year. Like Pulp and Energy, Paper Business Line has managed COVID very well.

Again, challenges in many places, but our organization has been doing very good job also in paper business line to manage the projects even if COVID is active. Some words about a big order we got from Klabin in Brazil. First, we got quite similar order already in May 2019, and that project is now on execution phase. Now during the second quarter, we were very honored by Klabin selecting us to deliver next paper machine line as well, which will be very big paper machines, a large 9-meter wide machine with annual capacity of 460,000 tons, and it can produce large variety of board grades for Brazilian markets and export markets as well.

We at the same time will deliver next fiber line there, including Continuous Cooking G3 technology, new bleached chemi-thermomechanical pulp line, automation systems and services, some selected services for the lines as well. We are very honored that Klabin has selected us to be the supplier of this very remarkable order in South America. Kari, now it’s your turn.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

All right. Thank you, Pasi, and also good afternoon on my behalf as well. Looking at the figures, we had a strong quarter. All the quarterly as well as the year-to-date change percentages are positive. Orders received increased 49% to over EUR 1.2 billion. Very important is that all the business lines increased. Biggest increase coming from Paper and Pulp and Energy Business Lines. Paper Business Line more than doubled the orders from last year, and Pulp and Energy was 50% above last year. Very promisingly also, both Services Business Line as well as Automation Business Line, they were both growing. Services Business Line orders increased by 13% and Automation Business Line by 12% compared to year ago. Orders received increased in South America, Asia-Pacific, China, and North America. Orders received in EMEA actually were below last year's.

Order backlog was record high and reached a bit over EUR 4 billion level, this is 15% above last year's. We are estimating that 45% of the backlog will be recognized revenue during this year. Quarter's net sales EUR 943 million. This is 3% above last year's. Paper, automation, and services business lines, they all increased, pulp and energy business line reduced. Sales in China as well as in North America increased. Quarter's comparable EBITDA, that was EUR 95 million or 10.1%. Please note that this comparable EBITDA, this does not include Valmet's share of Neles' profits. Cash flow for the quarter, that was EUR 180 million, gearing was - 1%. Year-to-date orders increased by 26%, driven by paper business lines over 50% growth in the beginning of the year and also by pulp and energies over 30% growth.

Automation increased by 12%, and services business line was +4% compared to year ago. Year-to-date, all areas except Asia-Pacific increased. Year-to-date net sales, that increased by 3%, driven by a strong paper business line. Comparable EBITDA was 9.7% or EUR 175 million after two first quarters of the year. A relatively good increase, as year ago we were at 7.4% or at EUR 128 million. Gross profit and SG&A. Quarter's gross profit, that was 26% of net sales, meaning 3% point increase compared to year ago. Strong sales management and also sales work, good project execution, and cost control were important here. Sales mix was almost the same as year ago. Services and Automation business lines together were 44% of the sales. Last year they were 43%. SG&A for the quarter, 16% of net sales, the same as year ago. Some increase in the absolute number. Business activity has increased.

We are following the development of SG&A, of course, very thoroughly. Comparable EBITDA. The comparable EBITDA for the quarter was 10.1%, and last 12 months is now at 10.8%. First time over EUR 400 million, EUR 412 million now. We are well within our target range, 10%-12%, but so far we have not reached the target for a full calendar year. Important to notice here also that stable businesses net sales last 12 month, end of quarter two, it was EUR 30 million higher than end of quarter one. Good development there as well. Looking at cash flow. Cash flow was EUR 180 million, driven by good profitability and also reduction of net working capital. We have now had eight quarters with a relatively healthy cash flow. Net working capital minus EUR 764 million, which is minus 18% of rolling 12 months orders received.

Net sales is low because we have received customer payments, but we have not yet recognized revenue out of those payments or invoiced the customers. If we calculate net working capital on a normal good level of minus 12% of rolling 12 months orders received, the difference is around EUR 230 million to the current level. Looking at net debt and gearing. net debt was minus EUR 9 million. gearing was minus 1%, so we were debt-free. We paid dividends worth of EUR 135 million during the quarter. Equity to asset ratio 39%, so no major change here. End of last quarter was just 37%, but as said, no major changes. capital employed and return on capital employed.

There our target is to be above 20%, actually return on capital employed, that remained on a good level and was 25% compared to capital employed a year ago, equity has increased around EUR 180 million and interest-bearing debt around EUR 130 million. Back to you, Pasi.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Thank you, Kari. Now guidance and short-term market outlook. Guidance, we have kept the same. Valmet estimates that net sales in 2021 will increase in comparison with 2020, and comparable EBITDA in 2021 will increase in comparison with 2020. Increase, increase. Short-term market outlook. In services, we have changed or improved the outlook from satisfactory to good/satisfactory. Satisfactory comes from the European area. All the rest, we would say that the market activity is at a good level. Clear improvement compared to beginning of the year or end of last year. In automation, we have good sales activity, we have good order intakes, so all the reasons to keep the market outlook at good level. Pulp, good activity and good order intakes, so all the reasons to keep the good level.

In energy, we still have a weak market situation. We have got some orders, but we are not at the level where we have been, and that's why we keep the weak outlook as well. Then again, the same comment that we can use the same resources also in pulp recovery boiler side. There are no issues with the organization utilization. In board and paper, market has been good. We have been winning a lot of orders and market activity continues to be good. Tissue, it's the same, order intake has been good and market activity continues to be good. one, two, three, four good, one good/satisfactory, and then one weak. That's our market outlook.

Pekka Rouhiainen
Head of Investor Relations, Valmet

Thank you, Pasi and Kari. We will now move to the Q&A session over the telephone lines. As a gentle reminder, this event is not to discuss the contemplated merger with Neles. Operator, I hand over to you.

Operator

Thank you. If you do wish to ask a question, please press zero one on your telephone keypad. If you wish to withdraw your question, you may do so by pressing zero two to cancel. Our first question comes from the line of Antti Kansanen from SEB. Please go ahead.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Yeah. Hi, it's Antti from SEB. Thanks for taking my questions. First would be on the profitability and the gross margin on Q2. Kari already mentioned that kind of the execution and all of that was good. Was there something extraordinary good or something timing related that drove the gross margin expansion? Related to that, should we be worried of some inflationary pressures going forward regarding raw materials, components, logistics, and such?

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

If you're looking at the project margin or product margin, Antti, there was nothing major there. Solid execution and as said, good sales work, good sales management. We kept the as sold margins. Overall, organization worked very well. Of course, one thing is that we have worked very long in order to be here, but nothing really major.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Yeah

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Yeah. If you, Pasi.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Yeah. I agree with that what Kari said. About inflation, of course we see now raw material prices increasing, some raw material prices increasing, and then logistics costs increasing, and we have to fight against it. At the same time, look for other savings opportunities in our procurement. It's clearly a topic for us in coming quarters to fight against the inflation in raw materials and logistics.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Okay. Secondly, on the backlog and the structure of the backlog, you have roughly I guess EUR 1 billion in the stable business. Just a reminder on how much of that is meant to be delivered on the second half, and how much is, let's say, more short cyclical, something that you book in orders on second half and then also deliver before year-end? Just to get kind of the growth expectations clear.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

You mean in stable business and stable business backlog. I think it's normal distribution for this year and for coming year. Then you might be able to estimate it from the same facts what we came last year, and then comparing how much book-to-bill we have been. We mean with book-to-bill something what we book this year and can still recognize as revenue, how much book-to-bill we were able to generate last year, and then you get quite good estimate of our net sales in stable business.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Okay. That's all from me.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Maybe, Antti-

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Thanks

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

One thing still to notice is that our growth at services orders second quarter 13%, so clearly higher growth than what we had at the first quarter. Also we changed the services outlook to good/satisfactory now. One data point here.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Okay. Very clear. Thank you.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Tomi Railo from DNB. Please go ahead.

Tomi Railo
Analyst, DNB

Yes. Hello, this is Tomi Railo from DNB. A question relating to pulp activity, if you can describe a little bit what's happening in the market? Second part, would you have enough capacity to take, let's say, another one bigger order still during this year?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Pulp activity continues. There are projects especially in South America and maybe some in Asia-Pacific as well, where customers are active with the bigger ones. Of course, small and medium-size capacity addition projects in Europe and North America as well. There is market activity. We can still take orders in, but of course, delivery time starts to be quite long. We work hard on making sure that we have good delivery times for the cases where we are still active. In real life, it goes so that because in pulp mill, there are several islands like fiber line and recovery island and then pulp dryer. The workload in each of the unit in Valmet is not the same. Actually, the delivery times are a little bit varying from unit to unit. You were asking our capacity.

I was answering to that already actually, that capacity is varying in our units. Some have a little bit more capacity to take deliveries with shorter delivery times. The others have to propose to customers a little bit longer delivery times.

Tomi Railo
Analyst, DNB

Thank you. Then on the energy side, if I can ask, just in the first quarter, I think you were maybe a little bit hopeful that there could be improving activity. Have you been seeing any of that? I could see that you announced orders, but has it in a way been slower than you anticipated? What would you see in terms of the second half activity? Would there be enough?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Market has been more active. There has been, let's say, from our capacity perspective, enough. We kept it still as weak because we all remember that that unit have had also higher order intake. I think the highest order intake in a year has been about EUR 500 million. We are not at that level. We get enough orders to fulfill our capacity and to execute them as well. Should we hope for higher volumes? Yes. That might not materialize this year.

Tomi Railo
Analyst, DNB

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Just as a final reminder, if you do wish to ask a question, please press zero one on your telephone keypad now. Our next question comes from the line of Antti Suttelin from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.

Antti Suttelin
Analyst, Danske Bank

Thank you. This is Antti. On the services side and Klabin, I wonder how you booked the services content of the Klabin agreement. Was that a big driver of the 13% increase in services order intake? I'm kind of trying to figure out the underlying order intake growth in services.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

It varies little bit, spare parts packages, if it's tied with the capital contract, that will be booked at the same time. If there is a services agreement, then it depends on the agreement content. If I remember correctly, Kari, correct me, but it's six months in advance what we book the services agreement content.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Right.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Klabin had a positive impact, but I wouldn't say that it's 13% were just coming from there. We have generally had more services activity, especially in North America, and Klabin is not in North America.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Also in China.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

In China.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Yeah.

Antti Suttelin
Analyst, Danske Bank

All right. Basically you would say that the 13% is reflective of what really is going on?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Yes.

Antti Suttelin
Analyst, Danske Bank

All right. Thank you.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Comparing to last year's COVID quarter.

Antti Suttelin
Analyst, Danske Bank

Yes.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Yeah.

Antti Suttelin
Analyst, Danske Bank

Of course. Thank you.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Yeah.

Operator

We have another question from Sven Weier from UBS. Please go ahead.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Yeah. Good afternoon from my side. Thanks for taking my questions. I ask them one by one. The first one is on the Klabin option. I was just wondering, do you have still any other contracts where you have such options, or was the Klabin option quite a unique situation? That's the first one.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

We have a very good offering now for folding box board machines because we are market leader in folding box board. In that board category, you need also BCTMP lines, and we have very good BCTMP offering. That's actually not the only of the kind. I think we have even announced some others where we have the same kind of setup. Our BCTMP and then folding box board.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Mm-hmm. Options like that are still not the, how should I say, the rules, right? It's still a bit of an exceptional one.

That clients have to.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

They're not.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

go for an option.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Well, if you, Sven, mean that in general in our business, do we have, if we have a contract, if there's an optional, another contract.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Oh, okay.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Yeah.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Sometimes it happens, but no, it happens once in a while.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you. The second question was just on the travel cost. I think you mentioned in Q2 some of the travel cost was coming back. I just wonder where you are in terms of the travel activity relative to the pre-pandemic, and whether you really see that going back to where it was. What's your best guess at the current stage?

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Yeah, quarter two, there was some increase in the travel cost comparing to the very low level, what we had in quarter two last year. If we see how the world then goes forward, so of course, business activity increases. There's some pent-up demand also to meet the customers, also for some people meeting internally as well. The question is that do we go to the levels where we were before the pandemic? I think that in many ways of doing business and having internal meetings, so there has been good learnings now and also big steps forward in how to use the electronic media, and I doubt that we go to those levels.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

And then-

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Thank you, Kari, and yeah.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

We all have dreamed that we can start traveling, but it seems that every month the starting of that day is further away.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Yeah. Unfortunately, yes. You mentioned the negative impact on the service business from the paper exposures. Is that something you can quantify how much that was in the quarter? Or is it the kind of the historical average that you always had in the last years?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

We have been saying that we lose EUR 10 million-20 million in order intake by in a year from a paper machine and old pulp mill closures, and last year it was a little bit more. This year, no, we are in growth mode, so this year we haven't seen too many closures happening.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Okay. The final question, if I may, is just on the scrubber business. I think you mentioned in Q2 you had 0 orders. We can see that the tendering activity is picking up for the new build. Are you only active on the retrofit side on scrubbers or also on new build?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

We are active on both sides, but currently order intake has been very low this year.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

You don't see any change in the pipeline that this is improving?

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

It might change, but then it's better to wait and see still.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you, both. Much appreciated.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Thank you. Thank you, Sven.

Operator

As there are no further questions, I'll hand it back to the speakers.

Pekka Rouhiainen
Head of Investor Relations, Valmet

Thank you for the discussions, and we will then conclude today's event here. As a reminder, Valmet's Q3 interim report will be published on the 26th of October. I wish everybody now a nice summer.

Pasi Laine
President and CEO, Valmet

Thank you.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Thank you.