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Earnings Call: Q1 2021

Apr 22, 2021

Pekka Rouhiainen
Head of Investor Relations, Valmet

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Valmet's Q1 2021 result publication webcast. My name is Pekka Rouhiainen, I'm the Head of Investor Relations here at Valmet, and with me today are Pasi Laine, President and CEO, as well as Kari Saarinen, CFO. After the presentations, you will have the chance to ask questions over the phone lines, but without further ado, Pasi, please go ahead.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

Thank you, Pekka. All right as well. Welcome to the quarterly call. Our headline is orders received increased to EUR 1.3 billion and comparable EBITDA to EUR 80 million in the first quarter. I will have the traditional agenda, or we will have Q1 in brief, then development of business lines, then some words about Valmet's climate program. Kari will go through the financial development, and I'll come back to the guidance and short-term market outlook. First, Q1 in brief. Orders received remained at previous year's level in our stable business, and they were EUR 508 million. Orders received increased in capital business to EUR 825 million. Net sales remained at the previous year's level, and they were at EUR 858 million. Order backlog amounted to EUR 3.7 billion and comparable EBITDA increased to EUR 80 million and margin was 9.4%.

Gearing in the end of the period was 3%. The main numbers here and some graphs. Orders received totally was EUR 1.3 billion, so good order intake in one quarter. Net sales EUR 858 million, that was also good for first quarter. Comparable EBITDA EUR 80 million and comparable EBITDA margin 9.4%. Our backlog in the end of the quarter was EUR 3.709 billion, and we employed about 14,000 people. If we look the pie chart by business line. This time services and automation were clearly below traditional 50%, even if they had good order intake. Paper had a good order intake and pulp and energy as well. Pulp and energy was 35% of the order intake and paper was 28%. Geographically, China continued to be strong, so 24% of the orders came from China. Europe, thanks to one big order, was 53%.

Because these two other areas were big, of course the relative portion of the rest of the areas were small. Orders received increased, like I said, to EUR 1.3 billion and here you see the graph from starting of Valmet, and this was the record order intake quarter, so highest ever. Orders received were at last year's level in stable business and capital business it increased clearly to EUR 825 million. Our stable business has started to recover. Like you see here, stable business orders received total to EUR 1,765 million during the last four quarters and last quarter was EUR 508 million. A year ago it was a little bit higher. Sorry, EUR 508 million. Last year it was a little bit higher, EUR 514 million.

Here you see also in the graph that now since the worst point at the third quarter, our orders received has been steadily going up, and it was almost at the level where it was on the record quarter a year ago. Good recovery also in stable business. Backlog ended up at EUR 3.7 billion, and it was EUR 450 million higher than in the end of the year. We are saying that about 65% of the backlog is expected to be realized as net sales during 2021. Last year, the same percentage was 60%. About 30% of the backlog relates to stable business. We have good backlog to continue to develop Valmet further. Some words about the business lines. First services.

Orders received remained at the previous year's level and were EUR 385 million, and last year order intake was a little bit higher, but not that much. I would almost say that the recovery has been quicker than I was anticipating in end of last year. We have seen a good order intake in Rollers business. In Performance Parts, Board, Paper and Tissue Solutions orders have been at last year's level, and then Pulp and Energy Solution and Fabrics were declining compared to last year. Good recovery already in first quarter. We of course are still having COVID-19 impacts. We still have restrictions to access customer site, and then of course, the order intake is also impacted by the low utilization of graphical paper mills. Still under these circumstances, our order intake was close to the last year's record level.

Automation received increase to EUR 123 million. Last year it was EUR 116, good development in automation. Here I would also say that the recovery came quicker than I was maybe, or we were anticipating in the end of last year or beginning of this year. COVID-19 has still some impacts to our automation business as well as for services business. In net sales, our net sales was lower than a year ago. COVID-19 has an impact to that. Of course, last year, first quarter, we didn't have any COVID-19 restrictions, small portion of that lower net sales is coming from the fact that we rolled out our new ERP system in automation business in Finland. Sometimes when you roll out new system, it takes a little while before the organization learns to utilize the system.

Nothing operational actually, no operational challenges in automation. In pulp and energy, orders received increased to EUR 461 million. Kemi project, which we got from Metsä Fibre, is a big impact on that order intake, and we are very happy with that development, and we are very happy with the order we got from Kemi. Market has been active also other parts, not only in Europe. Market has been active also in North America and China. South America last year was very high. Asia-Pacific the same. Market activity has decreased on those areas compared to last year. In pulp and energy business line, the organization has managed COVID very well, we can't see any material impact in our business because of the COVID restrictions. In paper, orders received were again at a high level, EUR 363 million.

The order intake trend continues to be above EUR 1 billion level if you look the 12 months cumulative curve in the chart. Net sales has been developing nice in paper business line as well. Good growth in net sales as well compared to last year. Market has been active in all areas, but of course, China has been the strongest market for us in paper business. The same as in pulp and energy business line, so paper organization has managed all the COVID challenges very well. Of course, we have challenges, but the organization has been managing them pretty well. Some words about the climate program, which we launched in Capital Markets Day, and you are all, I assume, aware of it, but it's an important topic, and that's why we wanted to take it up once again.

We launched the program, and we want to see that we make many different kind of actions to help in climate change battle. The program is called Forward to a carbon neutral future. First, if I start from own operations, of course, we have to start from own operation and focus on those ones as well. There we set the target to reduce CO2 emission by 80%. It means that we have to find more fossil-free energy sources in all parts of our production. Then, of course, we have to be careful also with traveling, when traveling is again available or possible after all of us have got the vaccination. There will be a good focus on own operation. When we analyze the full impact of our operation, then of course, supply chain and use phase have a lot of bigger impact to climate change.

We have set the target to reduce our CO2 emission in supply chain by 20%. There we have to look for more suppliers who have less CO2 emission and then, of course, develop our products so that the CO2 emission reduction is possible. We have set also the target for use phase. Minus 20% is the target to reduce the energy use of Valmet's current technologies. The current technologies are the best available. It's a tough challenge to continue to reduce the energy utilization on these technologies further. As a separate target, we will create technologies where our board paper pulp tissue customers can produce the products with the selected technologies 100% carbon neutral. The timeline for these targets is 2030. We have to now make actions to reach this one.

I like that the time schedule is tough enough, and targets are concrete enough. We have got very good feedback from our customers to the set targets and very good feedback also from own organization that they feel that it's Valmet's responsibility work towards these targets. Before I let Kari go with the financial development, I want to thank our organization for exceptional good work during the whole COVID-19 pandemic, and I think it's excellent results that we can now bring in financial figures. You all have been doing very good work during the last one year. I would like to thank you for that. Now I'll let Kari come to talk about financial development.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

All right. Thanks, Pasi. Also good afternoon on my behalf as well. Pasi also lightened up a bit, and I have to say that we also got the guidance from our board to smile this time once we make the quarterly announcement. Strong guidance for that. Okay. Orders, you see, at EUR 1.3 billion, 11% increase there. This is the highest for Valmet and three business lines, meaning Pulp and Energy, Paper business line, as well as Automation business line increased their orders during the quarter, Services business line was at the same level as last year. Automation business line had the highest orders ever at automation total. Services business line actually had a slow start for the year. I think that the development in February and specifically now in March has been actually very encouraging.

It was a good achievement for Services business line to reach the record-high levels of last year's Q1, calculated at the comparable currency. EMEA orders were strong, exceeding last year by 77%. North America and China increased. Order backlog EUR 3.7 billion, the highest quarter-end ever, and we estimate that we recognize 65% of the backlog as revenue during the year. Our net sales exceeded last year's Q1 by 5%. Paper business line increased. Services and Pulp and Energy were flat, and Automation reduced, partially due to the new ERP rollout. China increased sales by over 100%, driven by the strong orders last year. Comparable EBITDA, that increased to 9.4%. This is great as typically Q1 is the weakest by profitability. Comparable EBITDA does not include Valmet's share of Neles' profits.

In managing business, comparable EBITDA is the most important profitability KPI for us. Once we talk about EBITDA profitability, we typically talk about comparable EBITDA. EBITDA was EUR 89 million or 10.3%. This includes Valmet's share of Neles's Q4 profits, around EUR 4 million. The rest, EUR 5 million, is coming from this item affecting comparability related to sale of one property in North America. Cash flow was EUR 148 million, a bit less than Q1 last year. Gearing was 3%. Gross profit and SG&A development. Gross profit % was the same as last year. Quarter sales mix was favorable to capital. It was 60% capital and stable was 40%. Last year, we were at 56 capital and 44% stable. Good execution with the projects continued. We are quite happy with the order backlog quality as well. SG&A, they reduced 5% from last year.

We had some increase due to the acquired PMP Group, but travel costs were lower, and we also had some impact of our headcount reductions that were done last year. During the pandemic, we have learned new ways to work remotely, but there will be some cost increases as the activity levels go back to normal and improve. We continue with the Valmet-level projects such as ERP and Industrial Internet. At the moment, more costs, and in the future, they will bring us some efficiencies. Our rolling 12 months EBITDA is now at 10.4%. That's first time ever over 10% and within our target range of 10%-12%. We are, of course, very proud of this achievement. We have come a long way from the levels of year 2014 now to this 10% level.

It's worth to notice that the 10% level now comes with the sales mix that is typically not good for us. Capital stable split was rolling 12 months, 57%/47%. That is typically 50/50. Work continues to even further improve the profitability. Cash flow continued strong. It was EUR 148 million. We have now had seven good quarters in a row with cash flow. CapEx is a bit higher than normal for the quarter. Net working capital, minus EUR 662 million, on a very good level. This will normalize at some point of time. Our normal good level is around minus 12% of rolling orders. That means that the net working capital then would go to around minus EUR 450 million. Net debt, it was EUR 30 million or 3%.

Last year, net debt increased as we purchased Neles's shares worth of EUR 450 million and also acquired PMP Group with around EUR 65 million. Equity to asset ratio, 37%. Slight reduction as the AGM made a decision during quarter four in March for EUR 135 million dividend payment. Capital employed and also comparable return on capital employed. Our return on capital employed % increased to 25, driven by the increased profitability. This is within our target range and is in a very good level. The strong profitability development coupled with the strong balance sheet shows here, even though some loans were raised last year in order to finance the Neles share acquisitions. Back to you, Pasi. Thanks.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

My turn to tell the guidance and short-term market outlook. First, guidance, which was changed on April 16th. Now our guidance is that Valmet estimates that net sales in 2021 will increase in comparison with 2020, and comparable EBITDA in 2021 will increase in comparison with 2020. Increase, increase. Short-term market outlook. We increased our outlook for services from satisfactory/weak to satisfactory. Market has improved considerably in North America. It has been active in China. It's reasonably good in Asia-Pacific. South America, not yet developing. Like you know, COVID is quite active. In Europe, we still have challenges because of the COVID restriction. Clearly, like Kari said, the market has been improving, but we still kept the outlook as satisfactory.

In automation, like you saw, order intake has been good, and that's why we continue to keep the outlook as good, because outlook is good and also workload is good. Pulp, good order intake, and there are still projects to be decided, so all the reasons to keep the outlook at good. Energy, boiler market has been a little bit more active than a year ago, but we still keep the outlook as weak. Board and paper, order intake has been good. Workload is good, and there is still a long list of prospects, so all the reasons to keep the outlook as good. Tissue, order intake has been good. Workload is good, and we still have a good list of prospects, so all the reasons to keep the outlook as good in tissue as well. This was the guidance and short-term market outlook.

Pekka Rouhiainen
Head of Investor Relations, Valmet

Thank you, Pasi and Kari, and we will now move on to the questions and answer session. Operator, I hand over to you now.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask an audio question, please press zero one on your telephone keypad. If you wish to withdraw for your question you may do so by pressing zero two to cancel, when you pardon process. Once again, please press zero one on your telephone keypad if you wish to ask an audio question. There will be a brief process to reach your question to be registered. Our first question comes from Antti Kansanen from SEB. Please go ahead.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Hi, guys. It's Antti from SEB. Hope you're hearing me good.

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Yes, we do. We do well.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Okay. Just a question on the services recovery. Pasi mentioned that it's coming faster than earlier expected. What do you think? Is there more pent-up demand after a quiet 2020, or is it just a return to normal levels, as you've mentioned before, but with a bit of a quicker time schedule?

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

I would say that it's more that it's getting more back to the normal situation. The societies and markets have been opening, like we all know that now China GDP has grown very fast. Now we all know that North American markets, all in all, have been recovering quick. That's why we see also better order intake in our services.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

That's very clear. Was the sales impact and the gross margin impact that you get from services the only or the primary reason behind the guidance upgrade, or is there something positive happening on the capital side as well?

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

We upgraded the guidance because of order intake and backlog. You have seen that our backlog is now at the record level, EUR 3.7 billion, and at the same time, we are saying that bigger % of the big backlog is being recognized as revenue this year. Those were the two factors influencing our decision to change our guidance.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Okay. Maybe lastly from my side regarding the backlog margins and let's say a gross margin profile for 2021 and 2022. Obviously, the service recovery is an important factor here. Is it any way to quantify on the capital side how much better margins do you have in the backlog right now compared to historical levels dating a few years back?

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Well, Antti, a couple of points here. Of course, one thing is that typically bigger projects have a bit lower margin than smaller projects. We have been quite long time now already quite happy with the quality of the order backlog, and that means for the margin point of view and then also as well as then for the risk point of view. The latest development, what we have had is big piece of that is coming from the organization's good ability now to deliver the projects at the margin at which we have sold the projects.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Okay. Maybe I'll squeeze one more-

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Yeah.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Just a detailed question. When you signed the Klabin agreement, was it two years back? There was a letter of intent for a second one scheduled to commence in May 2021. Is the time schedule on that one still intact or any comments on that one?

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

No comments. It's up to Klabin to decide what kind of projects they will have and when, and I'm sure that they will then inform. No comments on that.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Okay. Thank you.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

Maybe I can say that the Klabin first project is going very well, and at least to my understanding, customer is very happy with our performance.

Antti Kansanen
Analyst, SEB

Okay. That sounds promising. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tom Skogman from Carnegie. Please go ahead.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research of Finland, Carnegie

Yes, hello, this is Tom from Carnegie. Congratulations on very good numbers again.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

Thanks, Tom.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research of Finland, Carnegie

I wonder about your ambitions within recycled and pulp-based textiles. That could be a quite promising market, but you have not really opened up what you're thinking about that market.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

We opened a little bit, I think, in our Capital Markets Day, or was it No. Okay. We have been developing that activity for a while, and we have good technology for the recycling of natural textiles. Currently we have announced one project, and then of course, in this kind of technology development, one has to first deliver the first project and then get the reference, and thereafter one can continue to expand that technology. Basically, we have very good technologies based on our pulp and paper stock prep equipment to recycle textiles. We haven't set the ambition yet, but we see it as a very promising future growth avenue for Valmet in coming several years.

We should not expect too much to happen in one to two years' time, but then let's say that in five years, I have big expectation that it starts to be a business for us.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research of Finland, Carnegie

What is your plan then? With Renewcell, I think it was not your own technology, but do you have plans for own technology development or just to be a partner and supply components?

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

Actually, now I have to be careful because I am not that sure that what everything is public, but one part of the Renewcell is delivered by Renewcell. The rest is delivered by us. Everything what we deliver is totally our own technology and our IPR. Basically, it is pretty similar to recycled paper production line. You have flotation where you separate the natural fibers from the fossil fibers. You have different kind of refining stations. You have also bleaching. Same kind of unit processes what we actually do for recycled fiber and pulp together.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research of Finland, Carnegie

Our thinking here should be that you will focus on selling components where you have your own IP, basically.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

Or-

Tom Skogman
Head of Research of Finland, Carnegie

Different companies developing this.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

No, a little bit more than components, so part of the processes.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research of Finland, Carnegie

Okay.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

Yeah.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research of Finland, Carnegie

The service strength, I don't know if you mentioned what is relating to mill improvements and spare part demand coming back?

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

The spare parts was at last year's level, we have now reorganized mill improvement to an ENE. We were talking earlier about mill improvement and ENE, we have PES, pulp and energy solutions, and then board paper and tissue solutions. We have now grouped that in customer segments to better serve our customers. In this PTS, our order intake was at last year's level, PES was lower than last year's level, the comparison time included quite big ENE project. I think both were developing reasonably well in first quarter.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research of Finland, Carnegie

Finally on the tax rate. It was a bit higher this quarter than what we have seen the last years. Is that a sign that the full year tax rate will be 27%, 28% and not 24% that we had last year?

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Well, Tom, that's something that we shouldn't look at only one quarter's tax. That's the tax what we now booked and sometimes it also depends on which legal entity those go and also if we have some taxes that come to Finland from other countries that there's some double taxation as well. We shouldn't look at one quarter at all. I don't think that there's any major difference with our effective tax rate between this year and next year as a percent.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research of Finland, Carnegie

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Manu Rimpelä from Nordea. Please go ahead. Your line's now open.

Manu Rimpelä
Analyst, Nordea

Good afternoon. My first question would be on the EBITA bridge for the first quarter. Could you just help us to better understand the development in the margin from first quarter last year to this quarter? Where did the improvement come from?

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Well, a big piece of that comes from the increased sales and then also another portion also then comes from the lower SG&A. These are the two biggest ones here.

Manu Rimpelä
Analyst, Nordea

Okay. Great. If you look forward now based on the backlog for deliveries you have, which is clearly up for this year, and also the probably quite favorable outlook for service orders, which will be delivered during this year. We are probably looking at a pretty sizable increase in your sales. How should we think about the EBITA bridge for the full year, given that what we already see an exceptionally strong start to the year? Is there anything specific we should consider when thinking about the remainder of the year, or is it a similar type of a margin improvement pace if your sales continue to increase like this?

Kari Saarinen
CFO, Valmet

Of course, one thing, Manu, is such that if we now go for the second quarter and then further on second half of the year, activity level surely increases. Even though our organization has learned new ways of working and we have a lot of digitalized ways to cooperate internally and also with the customer. Some travel costs. Most likely there's some increase on those. It actually then means that the profit improvement comes from top-line development. There we guide it now that our net sales increases and that's the biggest source. If we look at the sales mix, I don't expect any major impact coming from the sales mix because the capital business has been so strong. It's just this now comes from higher volumes and also good execution.

Manu Rimpelä
Analyst, Nordea

Okay. Great. Finally, in terms of the services business. I think you mentioned that you didn't see any significant pent-up demand during the first quarter, but it was more return or normalization of demand. Considering the very good prices that your customers, both pulp, board, tissue producers are enjoying at the moment, and also demand seems to be at a pretty good level, and we haven't been able to access the sites for most of last year. How do you think about the pent-up demand? Do you see that there's a lot of potential for field services and other kind of services to kind of meaningfully increase if the world or when the world opens up?

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

I would say the same than I have been saying earlier, that my theory is that when the so-called pent-up demand comes, then we will come back to the levels where we were earlier in mill type of business. It will not overshoot because customers have also limited resources to plan and execute the shutdowns and smaller projects, and the same with us and with our competitors. It will go to the certain level, but we will not see overshooting of those activities suddenly. I still keep that theory.

Manu Rimpelä
Analyst, Nordea

Okay. If I may follow up on that, could you help us to understand how much we are below the pre-COVID levels in that part of the business to understand-

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

No, we were saying that order intake was at par with this new PTS and below last year in PES.

Manu Rimpelä
Analyst, Nordea

Any percentage how much?

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

No.

Manu Rimpelä
Analyst, Nordea

We are below.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

No

Manu Rimpelä
Analyst, Nordea

or-

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

No

Manu Rimpelä
Analyst, Nordea

Okay. That's all. Thank you.

Pasi Laine
CEO and President, Valmet

Thanks, Manu.

Operator

Thank you. Just as a quick reminder, if you wish to ask an audio question, please press zero one on your telephone keypad. Once again, that's zero one on your telephone keypad if you wish to ask an audio question. Okay. There appears to be no further questions registered. So I'll now hand over back to the speakers.

Pekka Rouhiainen
Head of Investor Relations, Valmet

Okay. Thank you everybody for the questions and active participation, and thank you for the presenters. It's now time to conclude this event. Q2 result will be published on July 22nd, and if somebody has some more questions popping into mind, so please just be in contact and we will then solve those. Thank you everybody for now, and have a nice rest of the day.