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Earnings Call: Q3 2024

Nov 19, 2024

Operator

Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to your first speaker today, Mr. Reg Chai, Investor Relations Director of Tuya. Please go ahead, Reg.

Reg Chai
Investor Relations Director, Tuya

Okay. Thank you, Emma. Thank you. Hello, everyone. Welcome to our Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Joining us today are founder and CEO of Tuya, Mr. Jerry Wang, and our CFO, Ms. Alex Yang. The third quarter 2024 financial results and webcast of this conference call are available at ir.tuya.com. A replay of this call will also be available on our website in a few hours. Before we continue, I refer you to our safe harbor statement in our earnings press release, which applies to this call as we will make forward-looking statements. With that, I will now turn the call to our founder and CEO, Mr. Wang. Jerry will deliver his remarks in Chinese, which will be followed by corresponding English translation. Now, Jerry, please.

Jerry Wang
Founder and CEO, Tuya

[Foreign language]

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining Tuya's Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call.

[Foreign language]

In the third quarter, we achieved our performance goals by prioritizing practical strategies and focusing on execution. Revenue growth accelerated to 34% year-over-year increase. We maintained high operating efficiency, thus achieving a Non-GAAP operating margin of around 9%. Our substantial interest income added to the bottom line without a Non-GAAP net profit margin of around 25%. These results were underpinned by the effective execution of our business strategies, coupled with ongoing efficiency initiatives that tightly controlled budgets and expenses, sustaining operating leverage as we did in last quarter. Next, I will delve into some details on our business performance in the quarter.

[Foreign language]

In the third quarter, all three of our business segments delivered solid revenue performance. IoT PaaS revenue increased by over 26% year-over-year, maintaining the steady recovery momentum. The Smart Solution segment achieved over 100% year-over-year revenue growth. This was driven by strong market demand, particularly in the home appliance category, where we have consistently observed robust global demand throughout the year, aligning well with our product planning and market expectation. Our focus on energy-efficient products and solutions has significantly contributed to this revenue growth. Additionally, our close collaboration with key customers has enabled them to align their product planning and launches with market trends. Lastly, revenue from the SaaS and other segments grew by approximately 17% year-over-year, with our core cloud software value-added services increasing by over 50% year-over-year.

[Foreign language]

In the consumer market, it is imperative for businesses to thoroughly understand and capture the core needs of end users. We are dedicated to continuously launching innovative and competitive products, understanding our customers' business objectives and building even closer partnerships. After the recently concluded 2024 IFA in Berlin, we unveiled numerous new product capabilities by leveraging cloud-based dynamic algorithms and generative AI. We aim to significantly enhance the user experience and value of smart products in terms of interaction, efficiency, and functionality. Additionally, in line with our philosophy of cultivating and understanding the industry, we have iterated and expanded a wide range of solutions and product portfolios across various homes and commercial use cases. This encompasses home energy efficiency, comfortable living spaces, pet care, security and protection, sports and healthcare, entertainment and education, convenient mobility, and more.

[Foreign language]

Our global customer collaborations and expansion efforts progressed steadily in the third quarter. Our dollar-based net expansion rate, which measures growth among existing customers, stood at 124%, a healthy and stable level. Our largest market, Europe, exhibited stable demand with smooth progress in partnerships with both new and existing clients. In other regions, we secured several key regional customers, including a leading private label brand in Canada, covering categories such as seasonal lighting and pet products, a top home appliance group in emerging markets like Brazil, and well-known consumer safety brands in Chile. All of these are leveraging the Tuya platform for their strategic initiatives. Furthermore, in more mature markets, the Tuya platform remains the preferred choice for enterprises aiming to enhance operational efficiency or transitioning from traditional systems to third-party platforms.

We believe these customer-level developments amplify the value and capability of the Tuya platform and reflect the favorable competitive landscape in which we operate.

[Foreign language]

We are also committed to building our developer community by striving to ensure that every developer interested in smart technology has access to the latest cutting-edge information. In the third quarter, we hosted two major developer conferences. The first was the inaugural European edition of the Tuya Global Developer Conference, held at the Berlin Exhibition Center during the IFA event, themed "Smart by Nature: Exploring the Synergy of AI and Sustainability." Partners such as AWS and Tink, which is a well-known European e-commerce platform for comprehensive smart home solutions, discussed innovative applications of generative AI and the practical implementation of sustainability. These discussions garnered significant attention from developers. Vestel, as one of Turkey's largest home appliance manufacturers, also shared success case studies.

[Foreign language]

At the end of September, during our Global Development Conference in Suzhou, industrial leaders such as Siemens and Haier Smart Home shared their visions of the future. They showcased how they leverage Tuya Cloud development platform to build intelligent ecosystems, bringing green digital and smart home living experiences to users. By the end of the third quarter, the number of registered developers on the Tuya platform further increased, reaching approximately 1.26 million. Moving forward, we will continue to gain insights into market demands, consistently empower developers, and deliver more smart products that meet consumer expectations.

[Foreign language]

In the industry and specialized channel markets, we continue to make progress as planned by developing and replicating benchmark projects. For example, our business model for telecom operators this year involves leveraging our Cube intelligent private cloud solution to initiate collaborations, combined with the delivery of core smart device categories. This approach is aligning with our expectations and has begun to see continuous implementations. The development among our telecom operator customers' base is advancing steadily. We have signed new agreements with two leading operators in Thailand and Vietnam, and are receiving consistent reorders from smart devices from existing customers who have already deployed our solutions. Additionally, our home energy management system business has achieved substantial progress. We successfully secured a benchmark project with the Singapore Housing and Development Board, and over the next few quarters, we will officially enter the product implementation and delivery phase for this project.

[Foreign language]

Overall, third quarter 2024 was a period of steady progress for Tuya as we executed our established growth strategies to deliver robust financial results. This commitment has also brought us shareholder-level recognition. You may have seen yesterday's announcement. Over the weekend, 65 Equity Partners, an independently managed wholly-owned investment platform of Temasek, entered into an agreement with New Enterprise Associates, one of Tuya's key shareholders and NEA funding in 2014, to purchase approximately 13% of Tuya's total issued shares. This investment reflects their strong confidence in Tuya's vision and aligns closely with our international expansion strategy. The Asia-Pacific region, particularly Southeast Asia, is a rapidly growing emerging market, presenting enormous opportunities for us. We remain committed to seizing growth opportunities in international markets, developing global AIoT smart devices and commercial and industrial applications, and delivering value to all our long-term shareholders.

We are thrilled to welcome 65 Equity Partners, the investment platform of Temasek as a significant shareholder of Tuya.

[Foreign language]

Lastly, we welcome our current Vice President of Finance, Clara Yan Zhang, to the Board of Directors as an Executive Director. With her extensive experience in financial management and a Big Four accounting firm, Clara will bring valuable expertise to the board, aligning with Tuya's commitment to diversity.

[Foreign language]

Now I will hand over to Alex to provide further financial details.

Alex Yang
CFO, Tuya

Thank you, Jerry. Hello everyone, this is Alex. Now I will discuss our financial results and provide more details on the numbers not covered by Jerry. Please note that all the figures are in US dollars and all the comparisons are year-over-year, unless otherwise stated. In the third quarter of this year, our total revenue reached $81.6 million, up to 33.6% year- over- year. Most importantly, our P&L continued the trends established in Q2. Each business segment maintained a solid gross margin, reflecting the value of our products. This led to attractive gross profit growth alongside revenue growth. At the same time, we executed our business operations and product strategies with streamlined and limited operation costs and expenses. As a result, we achieved a solid non-GAAP operating margin, expanding from the break-even level of Q2.

Our IoT PaaS revenue in the third quarter was $57.9 million, representing a year-over-year growth of 26.4%. Looking at the product categories, our focus on home appliances enabled impressive year-over-year growth of around 40%, while other categories remained stable. Geographically, our global revenue structure was well-balanced. However, driven by increased energy-saving orders, Europe's revenue contribution saw a slight uptick this quarter. On the customer side, the scale of customers we served increased slightly compared to the same period last year, aligning with our focus strategy on customer expansion and service. As of the end of Q3 2024, our dollar-based net expansion rate stood at a healthy 124%. We believe this demonstrates strong demand from our existing customer base for Tuya's products, providing a solid foundation for revenue growth and allowing us to confidently pursue new customers.

Q3 gross margin was 46%, remaining at a stable and healthy level compared to the same period of 2023. Since overall gross margin reflects the structural mix of margins across our business segments, it is influenced by the revenue composition of each segment. Looking at the components, the gross margin for all three of our revenue segments remained constant with the previous level. The slight increase in PaaS gross margin and slight decline in smart solution gross margin were prevalently due to the product mix changes. We'll consider that as a regular one. Regarding operating activities and expenses, I will provide a detailed view on a non-GAAP basis, which excludes certain non-business-related items, to give a clear picture of our operational efficiency. We continue to present our operating expenses primarily on a non-GAAP basis.

Before discussing non-GAAP operating expenses, I'd like to mention that in early September, following our Q2 operational profitability milestone, we adjusted the exercise prices of our options held by all the employees to the current value of our shares. We did this to thank our colleagues for their unwavering support as we navigated through cycles and reached new milestones. This one-time adjustment resulted in approximately $10 million in additional one-time equity incentive expenses, of which $9.5 million was recognized in this quarter's operating expenses, with the remainder to be amortized over the coming quarters. Turning to operating expenses, in Q3, our non-GAAP total operating expenses decreased by 5.9% to $30.1 million, from $32 million a year ago. Following the near completion of team structure adjustments in the second half of 2023, our non-GAAP expenses have since stabilized year-over-year.

Sequentially, our operating expenses in this Q3 increased by approximately $2.3 million compared to Q2, primarily due to typical fluctuation in items on the expenses side and the income side, such as tax refunds. As revenue growth year-over-year will adjust the budget according to as needed, other non-personnel operating expenses, such as marketing and travel, have remained at a relatively balanced level. Overall, we've remained committed to the efficient and focused business expansion to maximize and stabilize Tuya's profitability at this stage. This quarter, we achieved a non-GAAP operating margin of 9.1% and a non-GAAP net margin of 24.7%. Net margin exceeded operating margin due to the contribution of interest income, which is substantial due to our large net cash balance.

While fluctuations in operating expenses may cause slight profit margin variations, we're pleased with our current profit level and optimistic about further improving operating margins in the future. In terms of cash, Q3's operating cash flow was net inflow of $23.9 million, reflecting our strong cash generation. Our net cash balance increased to $1,023.9 million, further strengthening Tuya's financial reserves and preparing us for future shareholder returns. This concludes my presentation on the company's financial performance. With that, and over to you , Emma, we're now ready to take questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Additionally, when asking a question, please state your questions in Chinese first, then immediately translate them into English for the convenience of everyone on the call. Once again, there is star one one for questions. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. We will now take our first question from the line of Tom Tang from Morgan Stanley. Please ask your question, Tom.

Yue Tang
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

[Foreign language]. So thanks for my incredible questions and congratulations on a very strong result for the quarter. So I have two questions. First one is on the outlook for the fourth quarter. So if we can share some more color on it and if we have seen any changes in the customer behaviors after potential tariff increases from the U.S. And the second question is on the GPM. So our Smart Solution is a quite sizable amount in terms of our total revenue now. So do we expect the GPM to stay stable over the next few quarters, or is there going to be some further changes due to the product exchanges? Thank you.

Alex Yang
CFO, Tuya

Yeah, sure. Thank you for that. So for the question one, firstly, we will mention that for Q3 for us will be a steady season, a steady growing season, which proves that our strategy on the business side and also the efficiency of our operations. So we continue to do that. And for Q4, right now we see that's a positive season, but it's only like the 40 days since 40 days passed for Q4. And also we have a long vacation in China, so that influenced the majority of the manufacturers. So I will not have the clear visibility about entire Q4. But when we see that Q4, it will be a, it's also a stable and steady and regular season for us. We continue to chase on that. So we are optimistic about what we can have in Q4, even without precise visibility.

Speaking of the tariff issues for the United States, what we see here is that it's not the first time about the tariff. That thing has already been going on for a couple of years. Maybe two things. The first one is that we already see that in the past a few years. Even the geopolitical situation, what we see here is that the customers are already starting to relocate their supply chain. We're already supplying that, which means that we're not impacted directly, but the customers always need to trade, always need to source and buy the products from wherever they need it in the world. We are just fulfilling that. That would be one thing. The second thing what I see is that even that relocation of the supply chains, still the world needs China so much.

So no matter what, any significant amount of the Chinese components still shipping to the global supply chain. So that would be something. We just follow the flow. We just keep serving our customers either locally or remotely to their suppliers in whichever countries they're located. So I think that would be one thing. So demand is still steady because end users continue to use that. So they'll purchase wherever they can to find the best cost point to locate their own supply chain. And I think that's for question one. And for question two, yes, you see that our three business segments, they're actually in two different verticals. And so we have to follow different business common senses in this industry. So for the smart solutions, it will be so deeply bounded with the hardware, which means that I can never compare with the gross margin versus the software.

It's a totally different model, but we think that the smart solution is so valuable because we help the customer to provide differentiation and provide very competitive new cutting-edge products and experience to the market to continue to enable them to become the leader, so we'll enlarge the portion of the smart solution for sure, and we already see the potential, so through that, the overall gross margin of the company will decrease gradually, but we consider that a very healthy way because each of the segments is competitive, so we are more concerned about the segments, not the overall gross margin, and in the same time that the growth of each of the segments doesn't require a significant increase on our expenses and costs, which means that we still maintain a very good leverage to grow our overall business.

So even though the gross margin rate is declined a little bit in the long run, but in the same time, the total amount of the gross margins will be able to provide enough beneficial and profitability for the company. That's it.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Timothy Chow from Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question, Timothy.

Timothy Chow
Executive Director, Goldman Sachs

[Foreign language]. Thank you, my friend, for taking my question. I have two questions here. The first one is regarding the IoT PaaS business. Just wondering if you can give us any color on your outlook on the downstream demand for the IoT PaaS business and any demand difference across different vertical or segments. And secondly, I'm pretty glad to see that we have a banker and investors coming in this quarter, and given that your margin is already quite stable and the company also has a pretty ample cash resources, just wondering if you can share some idea about the future shareholder return policies. That would be great. Thank you.

Alex Yang
CFO, Tuya

Yeah, thank you for that, so for the IoT PaaS for us, momentum what we see here is that this year will be a rebounding year because the majority of the consumer electronics players or companies in the world are starting to work out from the cycle of the inventory, over inventory issues starting from 2021, 2022. So it's a rebounding year, and what we see, the momentum among our customers is that they're really starting to reinvest and the re-kickoff, the multiple projects, I mean, among every customer for the IoT fields, so ready for future competitions and expansion. That'd be one thing, so while you have more investment and the resources coming in in these verticals, pretty sure that they'll continue to grow for the customer side, and for Tuya's side, we continue to provide two drivers for the business, so first one is the product.

And on the PaaS side, so we continue to expand to any type of the new use cases and scenarios across our categories. But most importantly, that we're starting to deploy and we're starting to provide some of the AI-based services for the customers to help them to build some AI-empowered devices or AI-empowered use cases for the end users. So that can be kind of the killer app or key differentiations and new feature sets that you can see in the market. So that would be one thing. So we use the product to be the driver with the new innovation, new technology. And the second driver for Tuya is the customer expansion, especially on the enterprise level. So for that part, as you can see that we're starting to incubate in our SaaS business around three years.

So that type of the solution is more focused on the enterprise level. So other than the consumer companies, consumer-related companies, so the enterprise type of company or industrial solution providers are different type of the players in the market. So through that, we continue to have more and more customers in that field, including the telecom carriers, including the projects we just shared along with the Singapore HDB for the government public apartments, around 1.3 million apartments in Singapore, etc. That kind of industrial players and enterprise level of the players will become new growing forces and drivers for Tuya as well. So we continue to expand more and to come in deeper. So that will be the past growth. So we maintain the optimism on this field because we have a very steady customer base. As you can see, our DBNER and premium customer amounts.

At the same time, that will continue to cover wider with new fields on the enterprise solution level. So that would be one thing. Question one. And on question two, so yeah, for sure that for the past 10 years since the beginning of Tuya, we always take the shareholders' return as a high priority when we operate in the company. And in this Q2 will be the first time we issue the dividend. It's a special dividend for the shareholders, like I mentioned in last quarter. It's not a regular one because we don't hit the annual profitability yet, but we don't want the shareholder to wait another two quarters. So we issue the special dividend. It means a special one. So we will consider the dividend as a regular basis.

So every year, the more based on the non-GAAP profitabilities, we use that as a benchmark to evaluate how much we can return to the shareholders as a dividend. That's it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kai Xiao from CICC. Please ask your question, Kai.

Kai Qian
Analyst, CICC

[Foreign language]. This is Kai Xiao from CICC, and I have two questions. The first question is about the SaaS sector, whose revenue growth accelerated in Q3. Could you give us some color on the growth drivers and future outlook for the SaaS sector? Another question is regarding the artificial intelligence. Could you give us some updates on the GenAI monetization and future plan? If there are some revenue contribution guidance, that will be great. Thank you.

Alex Yang
CFO, Tuya

Yeah, thank you for that. So for the SaaS, the key part is that we continue to identify the potential verticals that AIoT can help, can provide value by killing the pain point with a reasonable cost level. So I think that would be the key part. So we consider that as a PaaS stage, which means that we could be evaluating the market and to identify and figure out the right solution that fits it. So for the SaaS side, right now we already see several very potential and scalable market directions there, including the hospitality. As I mentioned, the recent project we signed contract with HDB in Singapore, it's a hospitality solution we provided and combined with energy management. And energy will be another one. So another sector. And outdoor will be another one, including logistics. So that will be the verticals we find the potential to.

And so we already have some standardized solution proven and worked with strategic customers as a pilot program. So for that part, I think the space and the seedings will come that up. Whether we're looking forward to duplicate the use cases with a similar type of the strategic customers in new fields. So that'd be one thing. That will be the key drivers for SaaS. And speaking of the AI, what we see is that right now we're working on providing two types of services through AI. So one is that we will integrate the AI capability along with the hardware. And essentially, it becomes not a smart device, it becomes AI devices. So one of the typical use cases is the bird feeder. So it's a bird house and come along with a camera and come along with a food container.

You put it in the backyard on the tree. Then whenever one bird comes in, and then you get a picture or you get a selfie of the bird. Combine that with AI algorithms that we powered with AWS called Rekognition. It's an algorithm provided by AWS which we integrate that into the application. Then the feeder not only takes photos of the bird, but also telling you what species, what's the behavior of this bird. Then you'll be able to easily either to educate your children, right? Okay, let's try to learn the birds. Or you can show off any rare species coming to your house rather than your neighbors. That'll be one thing. It becomes a nature-native AI device. Another direction is that we're trying to provide some AI services on top of the device as a software-based level.

One thing is that when we combine GenAI with pet devices, so like the pet feeder in home, so the feeders can visualize your behaviors, the behaviors of your pet, maybe your cat or your dog. And then automatically generate different type of video footage and come along with a line, come along with the background music. And then you will understand, okay, my pet and cat and dog in home right now, they're playing Game of Thrones. Maybe Game of Paw. So that type of interesting footage is generated, too, by AI. So we're starting trying to provide that type of services on the software levels. And so with the existing what we call version one smart devices, we'll be able to have some AI-based experience. So that'll be the two directions we're trying to pitch. And right now we're still in the pilot stage.

So we're still around some POCs, still around some pilot customers, but not provided for everywhere. And also we consider very carefully about how we can business monetize that, coming out naturally with a business model. So by end of this year or at the beginning of 2025, we'll be able to show more use cases how we can turn the AI into application. And we believe that that'll become one of the catalysts for Tuya and for overall IoT. And one of the key things, uniqueness for Tuya is that right now one of the largest challenges for AI is that what type of applications, what type of features it's commercial and/or it has the space to commercialize because right now it's more like the trial tools. Better to have, not must be.

Technically for Tuya is that we have the device. We help the customer to build the device. So naturally, the device itself, when it's sold, you know that the end users buying that for the feature. And especially when the AI device comes with a totally different pricing point than the regular smart device, you know that people buying that for the AI. So since the beginning, we commercialize that. So I think that will be the special one. So we'll try different type of the use cases and demonstrations, and then we can easily testify that among my customers that what type of things I can commercialize and bring that into scale. That's it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Roy from Water Tower Research. Please go ahead, John.

John Roy
Managing Director of Technology Equity Research, Water Tower Research

Thank you for taking my question and congratulations on a very strong quarter. If we could take a step back for a second, obviously the revenue growth has been solid for the last couple of quarters, and a lot of talk about enterprise. I was kind of wondering how long do you think this can continue? In other words, how much runway do you kind of see given the current markets? Do you have?

Alex Yang
CFO, Tuya

I think that's sort of talking about that. I would like to pull back a little bit about the visions where we started this company. We believe that no matter it's IoT or AI, in the future, I mean, not long, maybe after 10 years, it will become a fundamental technology. Like the internet right now, everything is the internet connected. So when we're reviewing that, the penetration of IoT or with AI, it's extremely low. So right now it will be low single-digit numbers. So if you have to ask me about whether and how the business is going to move forward, I will say that in the next 10 years, maybe after 10 years, after 20 years, everything definitely needs to be connected, needs to be smart. We can imagine that.

So what we're doing is that we continue to enable those force movers in their vertical fields to turn them into IoT ready or into AIoT ready. I think that will be the key driver for us. So that's why all the investment we're doing is that how we can find the right use cases that make sense for their vertical. And we provide a standardized easy-to-use toolkit for the developers and scale that. So I think that will be the key part.

John Roy
Managing Director of Technology Equity Research, Water Tower Research

Right. And as a follow-on to that, the investment you're making, do you feel like they're at a good level right now, or do you feel like there's going to be a possible need to accelerate R&D in the coming years?

Alex Yang
CFO, Tuya

Yeah, so in the past two years, because we were facing a cycle back then, so we already adjusted our strategies into a more aggressively invested and expansion strategy into a more reasonable and what we call micromanagement, and so for this one, what we're seeing is that we've already stabilized our expenses and investment, so even inside the company, we're continuously investing some new use cases, but it's still in a very reasonable level, and so we're looking forward to stabilize our profitability and our expense rate.

John Roy
Managing Director of Technology Equity Research, Water Tower Research

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. There are no additional questions at this time. I'll now hand back to the management team for any closing remarks.

Reg Chai
Investor Relations Director, Tuya

Okay. Thank you again for joining our call today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us or request through our website. We look forward to speaking with everyone in our next earnings call, so have a good day today. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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