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Earnings Call: H2 2024

Feb 17, 2025

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Thank you. Good morning and welcome to the presentation of our 2024 annual results. Thank you for taking the time to join us both in person and online. Let me start by acknowledging our chairman, Norman Mbazima, and Thembisa Skweyiya, members of the Anglo American Platinum Board, who are here in the room with us today, as well as members of the executive team of Anglo Plats. Firstly, I'd like to draw your attention to the cautionary statement, which we'd appreciate if you could read in your own time. Now, briefly turning to the agenda today. First, I'll touch on safety, after which I'll take you through an update on our action plan, our 2024 operational performance, after which we'll spend some time with the markets. Sayuri Naidoo will then take you through the financial results and our targeted capital structure.

I'll conclude our outlook and an update on our demerger from the Anglo American Group. We have allocated time for questions and answers at the end of the presentation, which Thato will facilitate. So let me start with safety. Our commitment to eliminating fatalities and achieving zero harm in the workplace is our most important priority. As previously announced, I am deeply saddened by the devastating loss of three of our colleagues at Amandelbult's Dishaba operation during the year. Our thoughts and prayers are with the friends, families, and colleagues of Tshepiso Makale , Ousman Ngobeni, and Basanda Langani. We have thoroughly reviewed and strengthened our safety efforts to prevent a reoccurrence. We do believe zero harm in mining is achievable.

This is demonstrated by Mogalakwena, Mototolo, and Unki, recording more than 12 years fatality-free mining, and with Amandelbult, who prior to these incidents had recorded three years fatality-free. Despite the recordable injury frequency rate rising to 1.67, there was a 2% decrease in total injuries during the year. So let me provide a short summary of some of our key performance highlights for the year. We refined 3.9 million PGM ounces, which is a 3% increase compared to the prior period. EBITDA was ZAR 20 billion, mainly impacted by the 13% decline in the PGM rand basket price. Our all-in sustaining cost of $986 per 3E ounce was 13% lower than 2023 on the back of significant cost and capital reductions which were implemented. We ended the year with a strong balance sheet in a net cash position of ZAR 18 billion, including the customer prepayment.

The board has declared a cumulative final and an additional cash dividend of ZAR 16.5 billion, which Sayuri will unpack later in the presentation. This is translated in a total shareholder return of ZAR 19 billion for the year. Turning to the delivery of our commitments, the Cost Out program has delivered ZAR 12 billion in cost and capital savings, significantly exceeding our reduction targets of ZAR 10 billion. The Section 189A restructuring has been completed, with approximately 3,400 roles being reduced at the end of 2024. We've also finalized the review process of our contracting companies, resulting in the offboarding of about 400 of these companies. These measures resulted in the 2024 cash operating unit cost of ZAR 17,540 per PGM ounce, 2% lower than the prior period and more than offsetting the 7% decline in production and the impacts of inflation.

Our efforts placed three of our four assets in the first half of the cost curve, and we remained committed to bringing all of the assets in the first half. We placed Mortimer on care and maintenance in April, while reducing the work in progress inventories through the stabilization and efficiencies of the remaining smelters and our processing operations. Our performance underscores our readiness for our transformation to a standalone PGM company. So turning briefly to our operational performance, total PGM production was 3.6 million ounces, 7% lower than in 2023, primarily due to Kroondal transitioning to a 4E toll arrangement from the 1st of September, as well as slightly lower volumes from our own mines. We maintained our own mine production at about 2.2 million ounces, with good momentum demonstrated in the second half, reflecting the stability from our turnaround initiatives implemented during the year.

Our processing assets were stable, which enabled the release of work in progress inventory built up in prior periods, bringing the refined PGM production to 3.9 million ounces. And as a result of this, sales volumes increased by 4% to 4.1 million ounces. Our 2025 operational priorities continue to focus on safe production from our own mines while pursuing operational excellence and progressing our initiatives such as the Mogalakwena Underground and the ramp-up of Der Brochen, as well as the ongoing reconfiguration of our processing assets. So looking at some of our own mines and processing operations in a bit more detail, starting with Mogalakwena's performance. Total tonnes mined increased by 4% to 89 million tonnes, driven by the commissioning of the P&H 4800 shovel, as well as improvements from our loading and hauling activities.

Waste tonnes mined increased by 4% to 76 million tonnes, with ore increasing to 13 million tonnes, and our stripping ratio increased marginally to 5.8. The built-up head grade of 2.7 grams per tonne was in line with the guidance, primarily due to the blending of low-grade stockpiles. PGM production decreased by about 2% compared to the prior year, partially due to the electrical failure at the primary mill at the North Concentrator. Pleasingly, Mogalakwena's all-in sustaining cost improved by 17%, reflecting the benefits of the operational excellence and cost reduction initiatives, offsetting the impact of inflation. For 2025, the 4E grade is expected to remain between 2.7-2.9 grams per tonne. However, it's anticipated, similar to 2024, to be at the lower end during the first half of the year.

The mass pull reduction project is expected to be commissioned in the year as well, and the progress we continue to make on the underground studies and exploration declines will help secure higher grades, create waste rock dump efficiencies, as well as minimize our haulage costs. Our strengthened relationships with the communities remain a priority, and this is demonstrated through the unlocking of land access for mining activities for the benefits of all stakeholders, so to further unpack the outcome of our pit optimization strategy, which focused on value over volume, the adjusted mine sequence will enable us to mine less waste and target a lower mining unit cost than previously planned.

We intend to mine between 90-120 million tonnes per annum, achieving a lowest associated stripping ratio of between 4.5-6.7, and a full-year blended grade of between 2.7-3 grams per tonne over the next two to three years, and then increasing back to more historic levels. We'll maintain previously guided M&C production of between 900,000 and 1 million ounces for the next two to three years, further driving a lower all-in sustaining cost, which improves Mogalakwena's position on the cost curve. Turning to Amandelbult, the first year we did see, sorry, in the first half of the year, we did see improvements, particularly at Dishaba, driven by the crew efficiencies and the mining optimization work, which we undertook through the Cost Out initiatives.

Our operational activities, however, were halted at Dishaba following the fatalities that I mentioned earlier in order to reset our safety performance. M&C production decreased by 9%, primarily resulting in those self-imposed safety stoppages. Chrome production was also affected and decreased by 8%. Approximately 36,000 ounces is attributed to the self-imposed safety stoppages. On a like-for-like basis, M&C production was 3% lower due to the continued poor ground conditions at Dishaba. Amandelbult's prill split positions it as a cash-generating asset within our portfolio, and Amandelbult generated ZAR 3.9 billion of economic free cash flow for the year. The complex saw a reduction of approximately 2,200 employees, or 18% of the workforce, following the Section 189A restructuring, and its all-in sustaining cost improved by 11%, reflecting the benefits of the cost-saving initiatives.

So going into 2025, we absolutely remain focused on improving the safety and embedding the lessons that we learned in 2024, while continuing to improve cash generation and delivering on our mass pull reduction and concentrator recovery optimization initiatives. We do remain confident that we have the necessary expertise and experience to mine Amandelbult, doing so safely and efficiently while maintaining its cash contribution to the portfolio. At Mototolo, PGM production decreased by 4% due to the challenging ground conditions at Lebowa as it reaches the end of its life. This is exacerbated by the shortage of specialized skills in the first half of the year. Despite these challenges, the introduction of a new seven-day shift cycle at the end of the first quarter partially offset this impact. Productivity improved by 3% due to the operational excellence initiatives.

The Der Brochen project, focused on replacing the infrastructure closures at Lebowa, is in the execution phase, with production anticipated to ramp up this year. In August, we also successfully began operating the chrome plant and selling 100% of its production at market-related prices. Chrome production from Mototolo was about 52,000 tonnes, and our focus into 2025 is to maximize the yields from this plant. Turning to our processing assets, who delivered a really strong performance during the year. The built-up work in progress inventory from the previous years has now reduced to normal levels. The utilization of our smelters has increased to almost 80%, delivering similar volumes year-on-year, despite Mortimer being placed on care and maintenance. We continue to drive further efficiencies, particularly as we commission some of the mass pull reduction initiatives, as well as improve recoveries.

We achieved record full-year nickel production of just under 26,000 tonnes, 18% higher than the previous year, and copper production increased by 24% compared to 2023. This was once again largely due to the improvements in our operating performance and the stability that we've implemented. Our focus on asset integrity and the processing of built-up furnace mat from the prior years was a key driver in the performance. So going forward, we expect refined production to be broadly in line with M&C production. However, this is, as always, subject to any load curtailment. We'll continue driving processing stability, as well as progressing the studies to convert Mortimer to a slag cleaning duty. So turning now to the markets in which we operate. The automotive industry, as you know, is the single largest consumer of PGMs, accounting for roughly two-thirds of PGM demand.

Catalyzed vehicle sales, a key determinant of demand, were steady in 2024, as hybrids, which do contain PGM catalytic converters, are winning market share in comparison to 2023. Globally, light vehicle sales continued to grow in 2024, up about 2%, albeit slower than 2023, when pent-up demand was strong, but still a robust performance compared to initial market forecasts. The share of battery electric vehicle sales rose at a relatively modest pace. This was in line with our mid-year estimates, although undershooting forecasts made at the beginning of last year. Many of the consumers have expressed a preference for plug-in hybrids and similar vehicles that contain both batteries and engines, therefore still requiring PGM catalysts.

As we've highlighted previously, there are many global indicators pointing to a greater demand of internal combustion engines and various forms of hybrid vehicles over an extended period. Many of the largest automakers over the recent months have been changing their drivetrain strategies in response to consumer demands, in tune with what we've been saying for some time. The slower pace of adoption, as well as the scaling back of BEV commitments by some OEMs, has seen auto analysts downgrade their long-term expectations for BEVs. A year ago, analysts on average expected about a 40% share of BEVs by 2030. Now that average is below 35% and falling below our long-held expectation. Both Platinum and Palladium's exchange-traded funds saw sizable inflows in 2024, their best performance in many years, showing an improved market sentiment and therefore improved demand in the PGM sector.

So turning to our estimates of demand and supply. These are similar to what we expected at mid-year, although platinum is in a slightly larger deficit than palladium's deficit as a result of the higher Russian production and slightly weaker automotive demand, which also affected rhodium. But looking ahead, Platinum should remain in a substantial deficit. Palladium should shift towards a surplus by 2026, but at a slower pace than we had expected due to the slower BEV rollout I mentioned. And Rhodium should also remain in a deficit for longer. I'll now hand you across to Sayuri to take you through the financials.

Sayuri Naidoo
CFO, Anglo American Platinum

Thank you, Craig, and good morning, everyone. I am pleased to be reporting a resilient set of financial results for 2024, showcasing our deliberate and decisive action plan in response to a challenging economic environment characterized by weaker PGM prices.

To summarize our performance for 2024, we achieved revenue of ZAR 109 billion for the year, 13% down from 2023, primarily due to a 13% decrease in the rand PGM basket price. Our sales volumes, on the other hand, increased by 4%, partially offsetting the impact of lower PGM prices. The implementation of the Cost Out initiatives delivered ZAR 12 billion of total cost and capital savings, exceeding our target of ZAR 10 billion. ZAR 7 billion was delivered from operating and overhead cost reductions, resulting in a 12% decrease in cost of sales. Our decisiveness in reducing costs resulted in an EBITDA of ZAR 20 billion and a robust mining margin of 27%. The all-in sustaining cost for the year was $986 per 3E ounce sold, well below our target of $1,050 per 3E ounce and a decrease of 13% against 2023.

We generated cash from operations of ZAR 30 billion and incurred ZAR 15 billion of sustaining capital expenditure, resulting in ZAR 15 billion of sustaining free cash flow. We ended the year in a net cash position of ZAR 18 billion. Now let me unpack our cost performance for the year. We exceeded our Cost Out initiative targets by delivering ZAR 7.3 billion of operational cost reductions, more than offsetting the impact of inflation. These cost reductions were achieved through various initiatives and decisive actions, including the following: the successful execution of our operational restructuring, supply chain efficiencies, consumption reduction for key consumables such as diesel and explosives, and a disciplined approach to study work, reduced use of third parties and more focused market development expenditure.

Looking ahead, we expect to maintain the 2024 cost run rates into 2025 to offset inflation and deliver operational savings of approximately ZAR 4 billion against a 2024 cost base. Our cash operating unit cost performance was aligned to market guidance and declined 2% from 2023 to ZAR 17,540 per PGM ounce. This was achieved despite the reduction in old mine production and inflationary impacts. The all-in sustaining cost for the year was $986 per 3E ounce sold, well below our target. In 2025, the planned cost savings of a further ZAR 4 billion is expected to result in a cash operating unit cost of between ZAR 17,500 and ZAR 18,500 per PGM ounce and an all-in sustaining cost of between $970 and $1,000 per 3E ounce sold.

We delivered a resilient EBITDA performance against the backdrop of a declining PGM price environment, with a PGM basket price of $1,468 per PGM ounce, the lowest since 2019. This, coupled with the strengthening of the rand, reduced EBITDA by 7.4 billion ZAR. 2024 inflation of 5% had a further negative impact on earnings of around 2.6 billion ZAR. These uncontrollable reductions were offset by 4% higher sales volumes and the cost reductions of 7.3 billion ZAR. Earnings were negatively impacted by one-off restructuring costs of about 2 billion ZAR, of which 1.3 billion ZAR related to the operational restructuring and 700 million ZAR to the de-merger. The loss on associates of 1.5 billion ZAR related mainly to movement in the company's investment in AP Ventures. Capital spend amounted to 18.5 billion ZAR, a decrease of 9% from 2023.

Stay-in-business capital expenditure was 6.4 billion ZAR, and this was mainly incurred on the capital maintenance program to maintain asset integrity, Mogalakwena heavy mining equipment maintenance, and the extension of tailings facilities. The Cost Out initiatives enabled sustainable reductions in SIB of around 5 billion ZAR through the reprioritization of projects and reducing the utilization of external specialists. Capitalized waste stripping increased to 5 billion ZAR from 4.2 billion ZAR in 2023, driven by revised mine plans at Mogalakwena, resulting in higher short-term waste volumes recognized. Life extension capital increased to 4.1 billion ZAR, which was mainly incurred on the HME fleet at Mogalakwena and ramping up development at Der Brochen. Breakthrough project capital remained broadly flat at 1.7 billion ZAR, focusing on the Mogalakwena footprint reduction project and the RBMR copper de-bottlenecking project.

Mogalakwena underground project capital of ZAR 1.3 billion was incurred on the development of the Mogalakwena-Sandsloot twin declines. Total capital expenditure in 2025 is expected to remain in line with 2024 spend of between ZAR 17.8 billion and ZAR 18.5 billion, reflecting our continued approach to prioritize disciplined spend. Our old mines delivered ZAR 19 billion of EBITDA. The overall mining margin of 27% was supported by our four old mine assets, with the Mogalakwena EBITDA margin of 38% and an average of around 20% for the remaining assets. This further translated into all our mines being cash flow generative for 2024.

Looking at our balance sheet, cash generated from operations in the year was utilized to fund ZAR 15.5 billion of sustaining capital, ZAR 3.1 billion on discretionary capital, and we paid ZAR 5.4 billion of dividends to shareholders, comprising up to final 2023 dividend and interim 2024 dividend. We have a strong and flexible balance sheet with net cash of ZAR 17.6 billion, an increase of ZAR 2.2 billion from December 2023. Net cash, excluding the customer prepayment, was ZAR 5.7 billion. Now turning to our capital structure as a standalone company. We have been largely reliant on Anglo American from a balance sheet and capital structure perspective historically, and in our view, our balance sheet is currently underlevered. The demerger provides us with a unique opportunity to construct a new and tailored capital structure optimized for life as an independent PGM producer.

In assessing the optimal construction of our independent balance sheet and the appropriate levels of leverage through the cycle, we have factored in our world-class resource endowment, continued investment into our operations and assets, confidence in the recent delivery of operational excellence, which has secured an all-in sustaining cost of below $1,000 per 3E ounce and three of our four assets already in H1 of the cost curve. The above gives us confidence in our ability to continue generating positive cash flows and maintain a strong, resilient balance sheet while executing on our strategy throughout a range of possible PGM market scenarios, including one where there's continued price weakness. Going forward, we expect our leverage ratio will remain below one times through the cycle, supported by strong standalone liquidity.

The board has declared a final 2024 dividend of ZAR 3 per share, or ZAR 800 million, equivalent to a 40% payout of headline earnings and in line with our capital allocation framework. The board has also approved an additional cash dividend of ZAR 59 per share, or ZAR 15.7 billion, which is considered to be the most efficient and simplest method of achieving the capital structure realignment prior to the de-merger, supported by the excess cash on the balance sheet. The company has successfully undertaken additional dividends historically, as and when circumstances have warranted, and we believe that this will be an attractive form of capital return to all shareholders. Our disciplined capital allocation framework will remain unchanged, returning excess cash to shareholders as appropriate.

It is anchored on investing in sustaining capital, our commitment to a base dividend of 40% of headline earnings, and finally, considering discretionary capital options for upgrades and growth at the appropriate time. As discussed, in determining a fit for purpose independent balance sheet, we have declared a ZAR 15.7 billion additional cash dividend, after which the company retains a ZAR 1.1 billion net cash position, including the customer prepayment on a pro forma basis. This translates to a ZAR 11 billion net debt position, excluding the customer prepayment, which equates to around 0.5 times net debt to EBITDA. We have had positive and extensive engagements with both local and international lender banks, who have expressed strong interest to support the standalone business. We are well progressed on our local financing process, with our US dollar process not far behind.

We are confident of achieving our targeted committed debt liquidity levels, and the indicative pricing levels we have seen to date are within our expectations. I now hand you back to Craig to take you through the rest of the presentation.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Thanks, Sayuri. So, as we look forward to becoming an independent, fit-for-purpose company, the key dates from here on our journey are as follows. Firstly, we'll host the Capital Markets Day on the 24th of March, with our prospectus release date being early April, and Anglo American's annual general meeting taking place on the 30th of April, at which its shareholders will vote on the de-merger. We remain on track for an orderly separation from Anglo American and transitioning to the new company from June, which will be listed both on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange, as well as carrying a secondary listing on the London Stock Exchange.

And consistent with the commitment to deliver a responsible de-merger, Anglo American intends to retain a 19.9% shareholding in Anglo American Platinum in order to further help manage the flow back by reducing the absolute size of the shareholding that will be de-merged. Anglo American will no longer have any representation on the Anglo Platinum board post de-merger and intends to exit its residual shareholding responsibly over time and subject to the customary lockup provisions. The de-merger has also presented an opportunity to review the skills, expertise, and the experience, as well as ways of working, to ensure that we have a fit for purpose organization structure as a standalone company. We've taken this opportunity to concentrate on simplicity, clarity, and operational efficiency, with a focus on strong expertise in mining and processing, with clear governance structures in place.

This work is well advanced and should be completed prior to the de-merger. In terms of the executive team, which will lead this company going forward, Willem Theron has been appointed the Executive Head of Mining Operations. Ajith Singh is the Executive Head of Processing Operations. Sayuri Naidoo is the Chief Financial Officer. Yvonne Mfolo has been appointed as Executive Head of Corporate Affairs and Sustainability. Virginia Tyobeka is our Executive Head of People and Organization. Martin Poggiolini has been appointed as Executive Head of Corporate Development, and Hilton Ingram has been appointed in the combined role of Executive Head of Marketing and Market Development. We have a portfolio of world-class assets underpinned by an extensive PGM resource base and an opportunity as a standalone company to extract long-term value for all our stakeholders in a disciplined way.

Our strategy remains clear now and post de-merger and can be articulated in five key priorities, all of which are measurable as we aim to achieve our objectives. Our core focus is advancing safety and health with the aim of achieving zero harm, pursuing operational excellence, which will result in expanding our cash flow margins. We also continue to invest in our portfolio as we deem appropriate, as we sustain profitability and target revenue growth from our world-class resource endowment, with a strong focus on generating value over volume. We'll look towards a simplified and strengthened organization as we attract, retain, and bolster key leadership positions to deliver a sustainable and competitive advantage, and through active market development, we'll look to continue to drive demand for the products we produce.

We will integrate sustainability into everything we do by playing a leadership role to protect and create value, focused on climate and energy, ethical value chains, as well as local communities. So, in conclusion, we started 2024 to set the business up for a sustainable future and have started to see the benefits of this work materialize. We've right-sized our business to deliver on our strategy through the completion of the operational restructuring. We focused on improving our operational performance across the value chain, recognizing that there is still more work to be done. The improvements in our processing operations have enabled a solid performance, owing to their stability and reliability. And at Mogalakwena, the pit optimization work is yielding positive momentum, and the underground studies and exploration decline development are progressing to support the long-term value creation from this asset.

We're on track with our de-merger from Anglo American to become a standalone PGM leader. This positions us very firmly for an exciting future. I think that concludes our presentation. Thank you once again for joining us. I'll hand you across to Thato, who will facilitate the questions and answers.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Thank you, Craig. Good afternoon once again, everyone. I think we will now move over to the Q&As, starting first with those in the room, at least that is not changing, and then we'll ask our moderator, Dineo, to facilitate the ones on the conference call, then I'll come back with those on the webcast. For those in the room, may I request that you raise your hand if you have any question, mention your name and also the company that you are representing.

Then to our Exco as well as board members, if any questions are delegated to you, may I request that you stand up and face the cameras at the back to be able to respond to those? So, coming back to the room, may I just check anyone with hands and remembering to ask your name and the company you're representing? Thank you.

Chris Nicholson
Analyst, RMB Morgan Stanley

Good morning. Thanks very much, Craig, Sayuri, Thato. It's Chris Nicholson from RMB Morgan Stanley. My question primarily revolves around cash generation and the dividend payment. So, three parts, but hopefully they will link. In the release you noted, you've generated an attributable free cash flow of ZAR 7.5 billion this year. So, that's after all CapEx, not economic, also the growth CapEx. Could I just check with you how much the destock, so you destocked about 500,000 ounces contributed to that?

I see the inventory movement to 6.7. So, it pretty much looks like most of it. Second question, do you have much visibility on that customer prepayment and whether it'll be renewed? And then finally, just to put that together, so the way I'm seeing it is you haven't really generated much cash. We're not that confident at this stage or have much visibility on the customer prepayment is renewed, yet you've gone and declared ZAR 16.5 billion of dividends. How does that square with having a strong balance sheet into the de-merger? It looks to me from the outside like that would be a decision that's been driven by your parent rather than by Anglo Platinum. Thanks.

Sayuri Naidoo
CFO, Anglo American Platinum

Okay, so let me take that.

In terms of our working capital benefit of the destocking, that is around ZAR 6 billion in terms of, so that we've reduced all our stocks to normalized levels at this point. Looking at, that's from an inventory perspective. In terms of the customer prepayment, that continues until 2027 when the customer prepayment unwinds. At that point, we will look to engage with our customer to determine whether we extend that. In terms of the third question on the capital structure, in terms of, we ended the year with ZAR 18 billion of cash. Once we pay out this dividend of ZAR 16.5 billion, we're still in a cash position of ZAR 1.1 billion. Excluding the customer prepayment, that's about ZAR 10.8 billion of net debt.

In terms of the work that we've done to date to set up our business, all our assets are cash generative, and at spot prices will be cash generative for 2025. And this is after we've paid our sustaining CapEx as well as our discretionary CapEx, as well as our base dividend. So, we believe that we will be below the 0.5 times leverage or around the 0.5 times leverage, excluding the customer prepayment cash, and we'll be in a cash neutral position, including the customer prepayment cash. So, we do believe that our balance sheet is strong and resilient and will be able to cater for the ZAR 16.5 billion additional dividend.

Gerhard Engelbrecht
Analyst, Absa CIB

Thank you. Gerhard Engelbrecht from Absa CIB. Just two questions. One is around the cost savings. Can you maybe give us? I see the biggest chunk of the cost savings come from consumables.

Can you give us an idea how much of that is price and how much of that is efficiency? I guess I'm trying to figure out, you know, when the prices move against you, how much of that is sustainable. And then secondly, you guide to a strip ratio of 4.5-6.7 at Mogalakwena. Can you maybe give us just a little bit of an indication of when you're going to achieve what? 6.7 is quite high. And what are the, you know, what's the timeline in terms of your strip ratio in your forecast period?

Sayuri Naidoo
CFO, Anglo American Platinum

I cannot.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Do you want to do the, I'll quickly look up the strip ratio.

Sayuri Naidoo
CFO, Anglo American Platinum

So, in terms of our cost, so on the ZAR 7 billion, so about the people reduction aspect of that was about ZAR 1 billion.

We then had overtime reductions and contractor reductions, so that's another ZAR 600 million or so. The other aspect was inflationary rejection. So, we renegotiated a lot of our procurement contracts, and that was about ZAR 500 million. In terms of consumables management, about ZAR 1.1 billion of that was in terms of efficiency related management. So, consumption management on diesel as a result of the Mogalakwena re-plan, our chemicals, tires, etc. And then we've also looked at supply chain spend management is about ZAR 800 million. So, that's looking at some of our tail spend and alternative part sourcing, etc. The last part of that was sundry expenses, so about ZAR 2.5 billion related to our corporate costs, some of our market development expenditure, and study cost. So, off the ZAR 7 billion from a consumable perspective, about ZAR 1 billion of that was your consumption related reductions.

Thank you, Gerhard.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Just in terms of the question around the stripping at Mogalakwena. So, stripping will increase in 2025 to around about 6.5, and then it will decline thereafter down to around about the 4 for the next few years, and then it will step up again at the end of the decade. That's sort of roughly sort of, you know, the timing.

Gerhard Engelbrecht
Analyst, Absa CIB

2025 is almost like the peak.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

2025 is the peak for the next few years. And you'll see that coming through in the guidance that we've given with regards to waste capital for 2025.

Nkateko Mathonsi
Analyst, Investec

Okay. Good morning. Nkateko Mathonsi, Investec. I have a follow-up question on the free cash generation, especially looking at Amandelbult. The free cash from Amandelbult seems to be totally related to chrome revenue, which is about ZAR 3.9 billion, and that equates to the free cash that was generated at Amandelbult.

My question is, how are you looking at that operation considering that chrome prices came under pressure? I do not know where chrome prices go from these levels, but it would seem that that operation is highly dependent on chrome prices. How are you looking at that operation going forward, especially from a free cash generation perspective? It was actually the highest free cash generator compared to all the other operations. Then my second question also relates to your balance sheet that has at this point in time weakened. How are you looking at Mogalakwena CapEx should basket price actually not improve? Or maybe I should ask it this way. How are you looking at your CapEx in general? What flexibilities do you have within your CapEx should the basket price remain challenging for the next two, three years?

The last question is actually on the 19.9% retained by Anglo. You said there is a customary lock-up provision. I don't know what that means. So, if maybe you can share a little bit more. Thank you.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Okay, thanks, Nkateko. If I can, I think, yes, certainly Amandelbult has benefited from the higher chrome prices that were realized in 2024. I'll come back to you with the exact same split because I have a different number in my head, but we'll go with, but certainly based on current spot prices, Amandelbult should be able to generate similar levels of cash in 2025 and thereafter. That's really on the back of some of the operational efficiency work that we've done, realizing the full year benefits of the restructuring that we implemented in 2024. That will support Amandelbult going forward.

Clearly, we've got further work to be done, particularly as we drive improvements in safety and operational discipline. But, you know, as I mentioned, I'm really comfortable and confident that we've got the right expertise and skills to be able to take that forward. But yeah, acknowledging we've got work to be done at Amandelbult. But given, you know, its prill split, given its contribution to the portfolio, generating that level of cash is an important component of our portfolio going forward. In terms of the balance sheet and treasury, I'll try and then jump in where I go horribly wrong. But in terms of the capital profile, I mean, I think we've been very, very clear in terms of where we see the opportunities for Anglo Platinum going forward. And that's very much linked back into investing into the business.

And that's focused not only on sustaining capital and ensuring the asset integrity and reliability of our entire value chain, but also then progressing some of the longer-term options that we have. So, we'll continue to invest in Der Brochen in terms of ramping up production from Mototolo in terms of sustaining its production profile. And we'll continue to invest in the underground at Mogalakwena. We're going to complete those studies. So, pre-feasibility study should finish around about the middle of this year. We'll go into feasibility study thereafter, hopefully with a decision to be taken at the end of 2026 into early 2027. And then we'll sort of ramp up production, particularly from Sandsloot, over that period of time. But back to what we've, who we are as a company and what doesn't change for us going forward. We'll maintain that capital discipline.

Projects need to deliver value, and we're not going to drive value over volume. That's very, very clear. If a project meets the hurdles and meets the criteria that we set for delivery, then we'd look to execute that project. Based on the evaluation that we've done and based on the sort of the market outlook, etc., we're comfortable with this level of gearing and certainly targeting one below one times debt to EBITDA through the cycle. In terms of Anglo American retaining its 19.9% stake, this would be customary. You have the certain provisions placed in terms of lockup, in terms of exactly when those shares will be sold. That's a process that we're engaged with Anglo on at the moment.

But that's entirely similar to, I think, what's been done in other transactions that the Anglo American group's been involved in and other de-mergers from other corporates. But I think the one thing, as what Sayuri said, associated with that, it certainly helps sort of deal with some of the flow back initially upon de-merger. And doing that and the sell down post de-merger in an orderly manner will certainly, I think, help address some of the concerns that people have with respect to a full de-merger come June.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Whether there's any other questions in the room? If not, I'm going to move over to our moderator, Dineo. Dineo, any questions on the conference call?

Moderator

We have a few questions. The first question we have comes from Jason Fairclough of Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Jason Fairclough
Analyst, Bank of America

Y ep, good morning, folks. Thanks for hosting this today. Two quick ones for me.

First one's on the LSE listing. Second one's on the portfolio. Firstly, just in terms of the listing, I think you say in the release today that the London listing will start around the time of the de-merger. I'm just wondering, why are you waiting so long? I mean, would it make sense to maybe have this start to trade sooner? Second one here, just on the portfolio, you know, I guess, do we see a future for all of the current mines at Anglo Platinum today? Or is it possible that some of these mines might be better owned and operated by somebody else? Thank you.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Yeah, thanks, Jason. Thanks very much for the question.

With respect to the de-merger, just sort of the time frames that are required in terms of the submission of documentation, the approval of that documentation, various shareholder approvals, etc., it's unlikely that we'll be able to bring forward the secondary listing earlier than the middle of the year. We've looked at that quite extensively, and this is the most optimized timeline that we have. In terms of the portfolio of assets, clearly, you know, we've looked, we've been through what our strategy will be as a standalone company going forward. You know, the assets that we have within our portfolio clearly have a role to play in how we look to deliver on that strategy. You know, so I think there's still further value that we can extract from the portfolio of assets that we have.

But as you would expect, we'll continue to evaluate that over the years to come. But for now, our predominant focus remains on extracting the value that we can from the assets that we have and delivering on our commitments that we've made to the stakeholders.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from William Dalby of Berenberg. Please go ahead.

William Dalby
Analyst, Berenberg

First question is, how much de-merger expenses are expected in 2025? And to what extent is the Anglo Group contributing to covering those expenses? And then just second question, the mass pull reduction strategies you set out in the 24 action plan, wondering if you could maybe unpack a bit more how that's been implemented and perhaps maybe quantify the value you expect it to add to the business as a whole. Thank you.

Sayuri Naidoo
CFO, Anglo American Platinum

I'll take the cost question.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

I'll ask it just to comment on the mass pull reduction.

Sayuri Naidoo
CFO, Anglo American Platinum

Okay. So, in terms of the ZAR 700 million that we've incurred in 2024, about 400 million of that relates to the restructuring that we've done at the corporate office as we stand up our structures as a standalone entity as we become a more agile organization. The ZAR 300 million related to advisory costs that we've incurred to date. I think over the next two years, we expect to incur further costs related to the LSE listing as well as regulatory requirements, as well as further advisory costs from a legal perspective, from a banking perspective. In terms of separation costs, we do expect that there will be some separation costs, for example, disentangling our IT systems as well as, you know, rebranding.

We are still in discussions with Anglo American in terms of those costs and how we will be splitting those. We'll have more clarity at our Capital Markets Day where we can share the quantum of that.

Riaan Blignaut
COO, Anglo American Platinum

Can you hear me?

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Yes.

Riaan Blignaut
COO, Anglo American Platinum

Thank you. Okay. Yeah, so I'll take the question on the mass pull. The work has been progressing really well at Mogalakwena. The Jameson Cells are largely in place, and we will be commissioning that in the next few weeks. We expect to see the benefits on mass pull realized in parts. Firstly, this year, we'd see probably a reduction down to about 3%. And then, you know, in the outer year, see that going down to about 2.7%.

The benefit of that is quite significant, particularly from a transportation point of view around low volumes, high-grade material, and obviously a positive impact of that on our smelting operations from a specific energy consumption point of view. So, we're progressing very well and quite confident that the technology is on track and will deliver what it needs to deliver. At Amandelbult, we had a couple of setbacks last year, but that's largely back on track. The regrind cleaner circuit has been implemented. Our recovery is in the last quarter of the year back up at where it belongs, and our mass pull are trending definitely in the right direction, and we expect to see those benefits coming through as well in H1 of this year. Really good work done at Mototolo. Pretty much achieved the targets we set ourselves for there. So, good progress.

So, overall, the progress on the mass pull project is going very well. Also, if you look at the numbers in terms of the tons smelted versus the number of smelters that we actually had in operation with Mortimer done, we had better utilization, a 9% drop in the volume of tons processed, and only a 2% reduction in the output. So, it shows that our strategy is actually working. And we'll see that full benefit coming through between 2025 and 2026. Thanks.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from Ephrem Ravi of Citi. Please go ahead. Thank you. So, two more questions related to the unbundling. Can you discuss with Anglo on the exact cost allocation for IT unbundling and things like that?

Ephrem Ravi
Analyst, Citi

But on an ongoing basis, do you expect the allocations from the head office, which you would obviously save, more than offsetting the incremental ongoing costs, you know, things like secondary listing, IT, etc.? Is that kind of your working assumption when you're thinking about the de-merger? Secondly, in terms of going forward and separation, would there be any kind of non-compete clauses with Anglo? You know, for example, if there's a copper mine in South Africa that comes up, you know, would you have sort of first right of refusal or something like that? Thank you.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Yeah, thanks, Ephrem. Thanks for the questions. First of all, just very briefly, I mean, certainly, as I articulated in terms of the way we're looking at the organization going forward, is to be a much more agile, streamlined company

I do think that will create opportunities for us to be able to reduce our costs into the longer term. And so, I do think that in time, you should see some sort of benefits coming through from lower costs associated with some of the corporate activities that we have. But that will come in time once we exit some of the transitional service arrangements and redo some of the reconfiguration and, sorry, complete some of the reconfiguration that we started at the end of last year. So, the short answer is yes, but it will take a little bit of time for that to come through. And then, in terms of the non-compete and sort of other commodities, I think, as I've articulated in terms of our strategy, we're a PGM producer. We own the PGM assets in South Africa. That's where our focus will be.

I'm sure that Anglo American will continue to invest its capital where it sees the highest value returns for its shareholders.

Miles Allsop
Analyst, UBS

Great. Yeah, thank you for the opportunity. A few quick questions. First of all, could you give us a sense as to what proportion of the PGM industry do you reckon is cash flow negative at spot prices today? I mean, obviously, saying, well, your assets are free cash flow positive, but yeah, what proportion of the industry as a whole do you think are free cash flow negative? Maybe as well, just clarify with the total refined, including third-party tolling, how is it progressing? So, you've closed one of your three smelters. What does that total refined, including third-party, progress from and to? And when do these contracts come up for renewal? Because obviously, one of the important changes is this focus on profitability with processing third-party ore.

When could we see kind of some tightness coming into the market and better margins on that processing of third-party ore? The first couple of questions.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Thanks, Miles. Just in terms of the processing of third-party materials, we refined about 3.9 million ounces of our own material. That's our own product plus some from third parties. We've refined 3.9 million ounces, majority our own material, some from third parties. The tolling arrangement that we have with Sibanye-Stillwater comes to the end of its contractual term at the end of 2026. You've seen some of the movement of the processing of Kroondal under a POC arrangement moving to a toll arrangement. That also comes to the end in 2026. And then you'll see some of the Siyanda material, which we currently do under a POC that moves to a tolling arrangement in 2026 as well.

So, all of those things, sorry, bigger part of 2025. So, those things are under flux and also under movement. And we've been very, very clear that our position around this is value over volume. And we'll continue to ensure that we've got that we utilize our facilities in order to realize that value from our assets. And given what we've outlined from Mogalakwena and the opportunity around there, we can certainly use the capacity that we have and also link back to the opportunity for us to repurpose Mortimer to treat slag and reduce some of the working capital that we have.

Sayuri Naidoo
CFO, Anglo American Platinum

Maybe just to add in terms of the numbers, so the 3.9 was from our own mines. So, from a tolling perspective, it's about 600,000 ounces. So, that takes us to about 4.5 million ounces. And going forward, that makes changes.

So, the tolling, because of Siyanda, moves to about 900,000 ounces.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

So, Miles, could you please remind me of your first question?

Miles Allsop
Analyst, UBS

It was what proportion of the industry's cash flow negative?

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Yes, sorry. Thank you. So, look, I think I've seen various estimates sort of ranging from, you know, from around about 30%-40% is cash flow negative. I mean, clearly, we're all in a reporting cycle at the moment. And we'll have to see what that looks like when everybody else has reported. You agree with that 30%-40% is broadly what you would expect from your knowledge of your competitors? I may have a view around what that is. I think, Miles, for us, I mean, I think there's clearly, you know, we've done a significant amount of work in terms of readjusting our cost profile.

Some others have also done some work in that particular space and others haven't. So, it'll be interesting to see once they release their results where exactly they are and how sustainable that is going forward.

Miles Allsop
Analyst, UBS

Okay, thanks.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Any other questions from? I will take one last one and then move over to the webcast.

Shachi Nirola
Analyst, HSBC

Hi, good morning, everyone. And thank you very much for this opportunity. I have a couple of questions. My first question is on your medium-term strategy. How is it likely to change post-completion of de-merger? And can we expect some diversification away from PGMs? And my second question is on Mogalakwena Underground.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Was that Shachi? Shachi, we're struggling to hear you. Not sure, Tebby, whether it's our connection there.

Shachi Nirola
Analyst, HSBC

Sorry, sorry. Let me repeat my questions. Can you hear me?

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Yes, now we can.

Shachi Nirola
Analyst, HSBC

Yeah, so my first question is on your medium-term strategy and how it is likely to change post-completion of de-merger. Can we expect some diversification away from PGMs? And my second question is on Mogalakwena Underground. When can we expect a clarity in terms of grades, cost, CapEx, etc.? So, that's it from me.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Okay, thanks very much for the question. So, in terms of our strategy for, you know, from here on now and, you know, post-de-merger, as I've said, I mean, we are a PGM producer. That's who we are today. And I think there's certainly value that we can extract as a PGM producer into the future. And we can extract that value from the portfolio of assets that we have. And so, our focus is really around extracting the values from the PGMs that we have within the portfolio.

We're not at this stage looking at any other commodities or other jurisdictions, but really focusing on both, on all the assets and the entire value chain in terms of how we achieve the results that we're looking to achieve. In terms of the Mogalakwena Underground, that continues to progress, as I said. It's in pre-feasibility study at this stage. We'll move into feasibility stage at the second half of the year. As we get more details, then we'd look to provide you with that update in terms of the volumes, the potential grades, and also the associated costs and capital. But it will be preliminary based on the state of the information that we have.

But certainly, the results that we've seen from the drilling and some of the work that we've done so far to date. We're really, really encouraged by just, you know, and just reemphasizes the quality of the resource base at Mogalakwena. And certainly, the grade and certainly the benefit that we will have from the polymetallic nature of that ore body. And I think through the way we'd look to mine it. I'm confident that we'll be able to extract the value that we should from this resource base.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

So, perhaps let me move to the webcast and then I'll come back to the last question on the conference call. So, Craig, so your first one is from Rene Noah Capital. One comment and two questions. So, the first comment is very nice, all-in sustaining costs decrease and exit dividend. So, that is more complimentary.

Then his questions are, one is, what is the probability of the U.S. imposing sanctions on PGM exports from South Africa? Then the second question is on safety. Just quickly find it. So, his question on safety is, following the fatalities at Dishaba, will you be looking at cutting back at the more dangerous areas for mining at Dishaba?

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Okay, thanks, thanks, thanks Rene for the questions. In terms of sanctions being imposed on PGMs from South Africa, look, I think, you know, I'm not entirely sure what that necessarily achieves given sort of the necessity of PGMs being used in the automotive sector. The automotive sector is a key component of the U.S. economy and the U.S. way of life. So, I mean, I think, you know, just generally, you know, the sort of the outlook for PGMs remains really robust.

I'm not overly concerned around some of the geopolitical sort of, you know, machinations which are taking place at the moment. What we really need to be focused on is what are we doing within the business, but I think some of this will settle down and really then support sort of, you know, ongoing automotive demand and consequently demand for PGMs. In terms of the, sorry, the safety at the Amandelbult, look, I mean, clearly, I mean, we've, you know, the three fatalities at the Amandelbult were, you know, really, really tragic and something that, you know, we've taken really to heart and certainly continuing to look at in terms of how have we learned from those lessons, what can we do differently?

You know, some of the actions that we took at the end of last year in terms of the self-imposed stoppages, really getting back to the basics and getting back to safe mining. So, it absolutely remains a core for us in terms of the modernization of the Amandelbult. So, looking through support, looking at lighting, looking at other forms in terms of how we can move material underground. But more importantly, just ensuring absolute compliance with our standards and our procedures will help us sort of eliminate the fatalities that we've seen. But, and we'll continue to take a very pragmatic and robust approach such that we're not putting people in harm's way as we undertake the mining.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Okay, understood. Then the next question is from David Fraser from Peregrine. Two questions from him. So, one is on Thungela.

So, he says when Thungela de-merged, they referred to looking at costs from a Thungela versus Anglo lens. The question is, have you already been through this process given the notice and have you, do you perceive there are more cost savings to come? That is the first one. I think that's it from him for now.

Sayuri Naidoo
CFO, Anglo American Platinum

In terms of, I mean, as I mentioned from a cost perspective, we're still looking at our separation costs. As Craig mentioned, you know, from an end stage perspective, we do see some benefit from being a more agile organization that will come through. That really impacts our corporate overlay. From an operational perspective, I mentioned the ZAR 4 billion additional cost savings that we're targeting in 2025. That's purely related and that's irrespective of the de-merger.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Okay, understood. Then the next one is Shachi as well.

Has the impact of 2020 from CT, has the impact of 2024 restructuring on earnings over or will we, could we expect some more impact of 2025? First question. One is restructuring on earnings over or can we expect more? The second question is your targeted leverage ratio of 0.4 times. Is this excluding prepayment? Then the third one is on Amandelbult. Is there any possibility? I think this has been answered already on M&A with Northam.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Okay, do you want to take the restructuring?

Sayuri Naidoo
CFO, Anglo American Platinum

Under restructuring, part of that restructuring cost, about ZAR 1.1 billion of that was related to the operational restructuring that we incurred at the beginning of, that we undertook at the beginning of the year and some related expenditure on that.

And as I mentioned, there were some costs relating to the de-merger and that will become more clearer towards the middle half of this year in terms of what that cost would look like. So, yes, there will be further restructuring costs, but the quantum of that we're still looking at. And then, sorry, under 0.4 times net debt. So, I mentioned a 0.5 times net debt leverage ratio and that is on a pro forma basis if we exclude the customer prepayment cash. So, we had ZAR 5.7 billion cash excluding the customer prepayment. If you then pay the ZAR 16.5 billion dividend, that takes us to about 0.5 times net debt to EBITDA.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

And our philosophy is roughly sort of below the one times debt to EBITDA through the cycle. And that's sort of, you know, how we've looked at the starting balance sheet.

In terms of your question around the Amandelbult, I think I have answered it. The Amandelbult in the portfolio is clearly a generator of cash. And we've got further opportunities to be able to extract further value from that. And that's where our focus is.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Understood. Just checking the last question on the conference call. Is it Adrian from Standard Bank? I've got a very long question from here. Is it Adrian? Can I then rather move over to the conference call?

Moderator

Of course. The question we have comes from Adrian Hammond, SBG. Please go ahead.

Adrian Hammond
Analyst, Standard Bank

Yeah, good day, everyone. Thanks for the opportunity. Craig and Sayuri, thanks for your time. Yeah, so good cut performance, thanks. Given the year-on-year improvement, particularly with Mogalakwena, it was really, really good. And hopefully can continue with that. But I just want to circle around to de-merger, the AMS weighting post-de-merger.

Where do you see that? Assuming 19.9% is retained by your parents. And is that 19.9% an overhang, do you think?

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Thanks, Adrian. Thanks for the comment. Look, I think the 19.9% certainly helps deal with some of the flow back that, you know, would have anticipated as part of the de-merger. I expect that, you know, there will be an orderly reduction of that 19.9% over time. And I think that will certainly, you know, once again, be done in a disciplined way. I think, you know, more importantly for us is, you know, we need to. We're now looking forward.

If you take the quality of the assets that we have, the work that we have underway in terms of driving the operational performance, the sort of outlook for PGM prices, and then the work that we've done in terms of restructuring the business to where we are today, I think that does set ourselves up for a very, very good future and an attractive value proposition. And then it's on that basis that I think we'll get a significant amount of interest and some really happy shareholders going forward. And maintaining the capital allocation framework that we have going forward, I think certainly sets us apart from the rest in the PGM industry.

Adrian Hammond
Analyst, Standard Bank

And just on the weighting, managers would want to position ahead of the de-merger. So, have you done any work on the weighting post-de-merger?

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

And the indexing, I think I'm going to need to come back to you, Adrian. Sorry, there has been work done. I think we just need to just make sure that it's updated.

Adrian Hammond
Analyst, Standard Bank

Thanks. I don't know if Willem's in the room, but I'd love to hear his comments on what opportunities in mining he's seen. I mean, I don't know his early days, but he knows his list. That's pretty well.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Yeah, Willem is in the room. So, very happy to put him on the spot.

Willem Baars
VP, Anglo American Platinum

Thank you for the question, Adrian. I've been able to go to a few operations. I've been at Mogalakwena. I've been at, you know, the Amandelbult operation, both shafts. And I think given the portfolio that Craig has alluded to, there's always some opportunities that we can still match.

I think one thing, you know, is that the assets are in good nick. The engineering aspects of those assets are in good nick. And the work that has been done thus far has really set those assets up to really extract the value going forward. I think the aspect of the de-merger is really exciting in terms of agility that can come with it. And then I think that's where a lot of value can still definitely be extracted of those assets. I think decision making is going to be a lot more agile. And generally, from what I've seen from the Anglo Platinum employees, there's solid people working for Anglo Platinum. There's good skills working for Anglo Platinum. And this will give them the opportunity to really bring that to the fore.

Generally, I still need to go and see some of the other operations, but definitely the ones that I've seen thus far is I'm very excited to be part of this company and very excited to the possibilities that this will unlock. Thanks.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

Thanks, Willem.

Willem Baars
VP, Anglo American Platinum

Thank you.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Thank you so much, Craig. Sayuri, I'm just going to read out two last questions for the day. First one comes from santanguta from Nedbank Private Wealth. So, Edward, PGM price does Mogalakwena become financially unstable? Unsustainable, apologies. In terms of the basket price, how far are we off from the worst case scenario? For example, will a 15% additional decline in the basket get us to the worst case scenario? So, I think it's a really interesting question. I mean, we've certainly seen the decline in PGM prices.

Craig W. Miller
CEO, Anglo American Platinum

They're still 13% lower than where they were in 2023, but relatively stable last year. You know, we've obviously done the work in terms of, you know, reducing Mogalakwena's cost by 17%, and I think, you know, if prices declined by that level, a significant proportion of the industry will be in some serious trouble, and just given where Mogalakwena is on the cost curve, how sustainable that level of pricing will necessarily be, I'm not sure, but we'll need to take the sort of the appropriate action if we see that that's a long-term sustainable price, and then we'll take the appropriate action as we did in 2024 to ensure the sustainability of the business and ensuring that we create the value that we think is really there.

So, you know, I think, you know, certainly just based on the fundamentals from a PGM perspective for both Platinum and Palladium and Rhodium, you know, I certainly don't see that as a long-term price outlook, but I'm not saying that it can't happen in the short term. Supported. Last question for the day. Are you in a position to do any share buybacks? So, in terms of the capital allocation framework, which Sayuri spoke about earlier, you know, very clear for us. Generate the cash, invest back into sustaining CapEx, pay an earnings-based dividend of 40%, and any additional cash which remains will either be invested back into the business in terms of the growth projects that we have, provided they meet the requisite returns. And if they don't, then that extra cash will be distributed back to the shareholders.

It'll either be distributed back to the shareholders in the form of a dividend or we'll consider a buyback. It all depends on the circumstances at that time. And that capital allocation framework has not changed and will not change post-de-merger.

Theto Maake
Investor Relations, Anglo American Platinum

Yep. Thank you, Craig. Ladies and gentlemen, that brings us to the end of our 2024 annual results. Thank you once again for joining us in person as well as online. So, many of you, we will be seeing you on the road for the next two, three weeks. So, thank you so much. Thanks.

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