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Earnings Call: H1 2026

Oct 7, 2025

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the B&M Retail H1 Full Year 2026 Trading and Operational Update Webcast and Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one and one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one and one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Tjeerd Jegen, CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Thanks very much, and good morning everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call. My name is Tjeerd Jegen, and I'm the CEO of B&M Retail, and with me here on the call is our CFO, Mike Schmidt. We wanted this opportunity to speak to you today following the trade and operational update that we issued at 7:00 A.M. this morning. What you can expect from us in this update is that Mike will take us through the financial aspects in a moment, and I will then basically talk about the Back to B&M Basics, as we call it, program that we've kicked up, which is to basically improve our operational performance because it's obviously not where we want it to be. Before that, I would like to say a few words of introduction.

Back in July, I shared my initial observations of our business via the webcast that accompanied our Q1 trading update. I was at that stage four weeks into my role, and it was clear to me that B&M's business fundamentals were solid, but there were also many immediate opportunities to improve execution and strengthen the customer proposition. Over the past two months, I've led a comprehensive review of diagnostics to see where execution has fallen short and come with solutions to return the business to its full potential. This process has left me in no doubt that the original B&M value proposition is still strong. Unfortunately, our execution has drifted, and this drift has impacted our trading performance, which is reflected in the four-year outlook that we published this morning. We have, though, a clear action plan to tackle this. We're calling it Back to B&M Basics.

There's only one objective, and one objective only is to bring back sustainable like-for-like growth to B&M U.K. We're doing so by realigning the business with the principles that made B&M so successful. More on this plan in a moment, but let me first hand over to Mike to run through H1 trading and our outlook.

Mike Schmidt
CFO, B&M Retail

Thank you, Tjeerd. Good morning everyone. Looking at the first half, total group revenues grew by 4% to GBP 2.75 billion. This was largely driven by U.K. total volume and average selling price growth and good trading momentum in B&M France, which delivered double-digit growth. Clearly, the U.K. total volumes were helped by new store openings. We work with discipline on our capital allocation, and we opened 23 gross new stores in the U.K. during the first half, with 14 closures or relocations, which leads to an increase of nine net new stores. That puts us on track to open 40 - 45 gross new stores in the U.K. in this financial year. We also opened five new stores in France and a gross three or net one store at Heron Foods. In the U.K., B&M's like-for-like sales were up by 0.1% for the half.

That was led by a very strong April performance in general merchandise, particularly, which was helped by an early Easter and by good weather, which pulled forward demand for our outdoor ranges. Our sales then were weaker in May as this trend reversed, following which each period thereafter we saw a progressive moderation in like-for-like sales declines from June onwards. That was helped by the ranges returning towards higher value products in general merchandise, but also some selling price inflation in FMCG. Despite this improving trajectory, B&M U.K. sales declined by 1.1% in the second quarter, which was weaker than our expectations. As communicated in our first quarter trading update, the gross margin for B&M U.K. across that first quarter was impacted by the deflation that we saw in general merchandise ranges and the lower bought-in product margins, therefore.

The negative effect of that price deflation moderated in the second quarter as we started to annualize the price changes and as new autumn-winter ranges were introduced with higher bought-in margins. Driven by those like-for-likes and the lower trading gross margins, subject to the final review that we need to go through, we expect group adjusted EBITDA for the first half to be published in November to be approximately GBP 198 million. Of course, you'll realize that the first half and the year-on-year P&L comparison will also include some of the sizable cost headwinds that all retailers are facing. That does include around GBP 14 million in new extended producer responsibility tax costs. The full annual cost of that has to be expensed in the first half. There are also non-cash movements of GBP 3 million in the first half relating to FX that will then reverse and unwind in the second half.

Thirdly, as expected, higher wage costs due to the rise in national minimum wage and employer national insurance. The unmitigated effect of the wage cost inflation in the half was around GBP 30 million. Now moving on to our outlook for the second half. As Tjeerd shortly will set out, we're correcting the operational weaknesses we've identified to drive and improve financial performance. While we will see the full financial benefits building over time, we have actually seen some gradually improving trends in U.K. like-for-like sales and gross margins towards the end of the second quarter. Taking this into account, our full 2026 financial year group-adjusted EBITDA guidance range is GBP 510 million-GBP 560 million. We do have line of sight on the trading margins for autumn-winter and on our cost base.

Really, the principal driver of the outcome within this range is B&M U.K.'s like-for-like sales across our key golden quarter period. We are very early in the season, as you will realize. We normally publish our update range or guidance range in November. At this stage, we're setting out a range based on between a low single-digit decline and a low single-digit like-for-like sales growth in the second half for B&M U.K. Turning to our balance sheet, of course, this is the business that's consistently cash-generative. However, our leverage ratio is expected to be slightly above our 1x-1.5x target range for the full year-end, full financial year-end, which reflects the lower earnings that we've seen over the last 12 months, but also our usual working capital peaks that are seasonal as we enter the golden quarter.

Finally, as Tjeerd will outline, the full impact of our Back to B&M Basics actions is going to take 12 months- 18 months to take effect. However, with the like-for-like sales growth this plan will drive, we do expect the future adjusted EBITDA profit margins for B&M U.K. will stabilize at least at the 2026 out-of-turn level. Now I'll hand back to Tjeerd to walk you through the plan to drive our like-for-like sales growth.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Thanks, Mike. I want to share the full details of our Back to B&M Basics plan with you today. Before I get there, let me first remind you what makes B&M such a special business. What I would like to point your attention towards on the slide is our earnings flywheel. It starts top right with the strength of our brands and our unique value proposition. You know, everyday low prices across FMCG combined with a very rapidly changing, very broad general merchandise range to excite customers and drive like-for-like sales across our footprint. We scale this formula through a large and expanding store estate in both U.K. and France. By the way, in both countries, we see considerable future growth.

Underpinning this expansion is a very strong and solidly financially disciplined approach to that space growth that demands positive contribution margin with a local store model with, I would say, industry-leading fast payback times. We combine it with a direct sourcing model, quite disruptive, very low operational overhead relative to other retailers. As a consequence, we're able to deliver superior margins and strong cash returns for our shareholders. We couldn't do it, of course, without the skills and expertise of our teams. They, of course, built the business in the two decades to where it is today. This is, of course, when the model works really well. Unfortunately, our performance over the last 18 months has not been at the right level. It's mainly because we've drifted. We've drifted in the execution of this model.

I'd like to give you more insights on the next slides, what we have reviewed and what we have diagnosed. If you would then look at what we have done in this last couple of months, it's actually coming to understand why our U.K. like-for-likes have moved so negatively over the past two years. To do so in a diagnostic, I must have held at least 70, seven zero, 101 meetings with key managers. I worked in stores, spent quite some time at our DCs, was in the French business. I even was able to visit our Hong Kong sourcing [JV]. For me, it was clear. Our focus had drifted. From the principles that made the company so successful in the past, you know, four key areas we drifted. Those four key areas are price, promotion, range, and availability.

The diagnostics how to tackle these and seize the opportunities that I see for those areas, we call a plan that's called Back to Basics. Actually, it's called Back to B&M Basics. The idea is to restore the original value proposition and to make sure that we get back to like-for-like growth and ultimately solid growth for the future. I would like to take you through a bit more detail. Apologies for the operational nature of this update and the granular detail, but I think it's important to understand what we are doing and what we have seen in B&M. First of all, of the four elements that make up our value proposition, I would like to share price. What we've always shared with you and what the premise is of B&M is big brands and big savings. Basically, A brands 15% cheaper than the supermarkets after loading discounts.

Where the drift has been is that we only focused on the total basket, and we actually didn't look specifically at a line-by-line comparison. As a consequence, on the line-by-line comparison, we have become more expensive, for example, than the big supermarkets on at least 10% of our basket. Versus our closest competitor, we actually were about 25% of our lines. We were more expensive than our closest competitor. Clearly, that's for a discount retailer, a very, very bad situation. This has, of course, dented our value perception. We've taken immediate action on these lines. Since August, we're no longer more expensive on any line versus our closest competitor. I believe we've got a healthy index both from a total basket and a line-by-line comparison with the big supermarkets. I do have to say also, and to note, the price perception takes quite some time to change and to influence.

The impact of the changes of this sharpened price position will become visible to our customers in the next few months. We also would like to, you know, make sure the communication is supporting our better prices. Moving into promotion, from the original B&M Blackpool days, the idea was there were great lines bought and come to the store. The store manager would take the lines out of the truck and would merchandise them in the front of the store, hence manager special. That has now become a very static program, four weeks, same lines, no value improvement, no better value at the front of store. It's become a bit still. It's duplicate and ultimately not really bringing customers to take the additional item in their basket. We're changing this quite a bit. We're making sure that the front of store changes constantly.

We bring the seasons to the front of the store. From October, we have new guidelines that either items are great value, they're new to the business, or are seasonal, and otherwise they can't be merchandised in the front of the store. We also will give, like in the old days, our store managers more discretion to trade and select the best lines in the local area, clearly within the framework, which means we can really trade locally harder like we did in the original days of B&M's foundation. The third one is range. I've got a very simple focus on where a discounter differentiates itself from other retailers. A discounter offers a discount on price, discount on time, discount in complexity. We actually have not really made shopping easy at B&M.

We've actually added significant range over the last years, and we haven't really adhered to our original premise of one new item in is one old item out. Actually, we lost a bit our way in terms of SKU discipline. That unfortunately has led to a significant increase in ranges. It undermines our value credentials. It's more difficult, of course, to merchandise in larger volumes when there are so many items on a shelf. It also makes running a store quite complex and expensive and running a DC very complex and expensive. We need to really address this. On top of this, we also haven't been, in my view, the best discipline in terms of ranging, clearing end of season at the end of the season in terms of our general merchandise ranges. To bring us back on track, we're going to edit our range.

We're going to reduce our SKUs and focus on the big brands. Clearly, this will help us achieve better costs because we're buying deeper. It will help us make shopping easier and restore value credentials and operating our stores and DCs in an easier way. At the same time, we're reinstating a discipline on clearing end of season, which means that we are having cleaner shelves when the new ranges come in. In the seasonal buy, we allow for sufficient clearance. The fourth one, from the original model, there was a rigorous focus every single week on every single line in every single store if there were sufficient sales behind that line. You could say there was a really strong focus on availability all the time. We drifted because we actually started sacrificing a sales culture for store standards.

What actually happens when you're focusing on standards, and it's not really, in my view, on purpose, but it was basically the side effect of focusing on store standards, which means when an item is sold out, instead of leaving the gap and checking the stock record and reordering, the item actually was phased over, the shelf, its label was removed, and items actually got lost in the sea of products that we at the moment have in our business. As a consequence, we've also lost a significant amount of available stock for customers. We've become less reliable as a retailer if you would walk into our stores in terms of finding the product that you come out to buy at B&M. We're addressing this. We're changing the way we replenish our shelves, and we're changing the way we actually work.

Moving on, we're moving at pace with implementing these changes, and some are already underway. I think just to give you some color on the four elements. On price, we've got a new price benchmarking methodology. We both look at basket and we look at lines. 35% of the lines have been repriced, about 2% each. You could say that that's a small amount. You could also say that every penny for customers counts. Especially in these more challenging economic times, I think many customers would love to see the best prices at B&M shelves, even if it's only GBP 0.03 or GBP 0.04 or GBP 0.05 cheaper. We believe with this, we've restored competitiveness to our lines. The second phase of pricing is to also restore price messaging to really make sure that the value credentials are properly communicated. We brought in a ratio, which is called higher, equal, or lower.

You can see that before we addressed this with one competitor, we had 29% of our, let's say, comparable lines. We were more expensive than another retailer, 12% of lines. Baskets like 400 lines. You talk about dozens and dozens of lines where we were out of kilter. As a consequence, it impacted our price perception negatively. That's been changed. Those are promotions. I think I said it before. We've stopped the aesthetic ranging merchandising at the front of the store. Brought the seasons in. We're now taking the opportunity to, we did first, that back to school at the front of the store. We've never done that before with good results. We then brought harvest in, which is our, let's say, transitional range between summer and winter.

We're trading Halloween at the front of the store, which we've never done in the past, but it actually has got good results. Customers appreciate the excitement when you walk into a B&M. That's what B&M is all about. Moving on in terms of other elements of the mix that we're improving, if you talk to range, clearly, you know, we have to use analytics and data to make the right decisions, which items are remaining in range and which items are going to be exited. You look at the numbers on the bottom of the left bottom of the chart, within, let's say, a scope of 18 months, we've added 3,500 SKUs to our base, which is clearly not where we want to be. We will start reducing those ranges. We're now assessing category by category what the right number is. We're not just doing assessments behind the desk.

We're also implementing change for customers. By the end of this month, three category pilots will be kicked off so we can see what the impact of the changes are and then learn from this and then scale and ultimately do a comprehensive reboot across the whole estate on reducing our SKU count. Finally, on availability, we have a best-selling line group that we are focusing on. We've taken an assessment in terms of on-shelf availability. There was never really a metric the company would be focused on, but I think it's a really important metric the company should be focusing on. We found out that 86% of our lines were available for customers. That sounds quite a lot of lines available, but actually, it's a significant departure from what needs to be in terms of best practice of availability in the retail market. That's about 98%.

There's a 12% gap between best practice and where we are today. Through my experience in other markets, you've got about a third of lost sales with a lack of availability short term. Of course, longer term, you also lose customers when you're always out of stock. If you then apply that one third, you could actually say there's potentially a 4% sales improvement latent if we are able to improve our availability. That's the focus now for the stores' teams to really focus our availability on the best selling lines and clearly being a better shop for customers. Moving on, let's try to put these actions all in a context because clearly, this is all very much an operational plan to improve our business, which also I think is the right thing to do as where we are today. Clearly, there's also a perspective.

Back to B&M Basics, it's all about focusing on restoring like-for-like growth and making sure we do the best possible job for our customers and we bring back the great value proposition B&M has always been. I can also say that a very similar approach is currently underway at Heron Foods, where the team is also working hard to bring back good growth because also the performance of Heron Foods is below where we would like it to be. Moving on to the phase two and phase three, we also believe we can strengthen our foundations, use data and insights more than we have done so far. I think there's a chance to simplify our way of working. Our processes are quite complex and quite a few times at store level, even paper-based. There's a big chance to flex our formats.

Our customer missions are not really met, in my view, properly, especially in town center sites. We also think there's a chance to update its store experience. That's all phase two. Phase three, with those foundations in place, we can actually strengthen our growth. I think France is a great opportunity to go faster, great success over the second quarter. It's competing well in its own market. I think we're looking into longer-term opportunities to go faster there. There's no decision taken, but we need to have a clear view on e-commerce, loyalty, and private label for this business. Those topics we would like to share with you when we do our interim results in November. We don't want to be distracted. For now, Back to B&M Basics is our sole focus. Before we open the floor to Q&A, we've come nearly to the end of the update.

I would like to summarize our objectives and also our key takeaways for you today. Our Back to B&M Basics is underway. Mind you, this is my fourth month. I think we're moving at pace. We expect these actions will take effect over the next 12 months- 18 months, just as a function of the amount of categories we want to cover, the impact on customer, and the change of processes. Our number one priority, as I said before, our laser focus is returning the U.K. to like-for-like growth. As Mike said in the financial outlook, with returning to like-for-like growth, we believe that will enable our profit margin to stabilize at least at the FY 2026 out-turn level without the need for any price-led reset.

In the meantime, we continue to apply the same financial discipline to growth opportunities to drive strong returns on investment and the cash generations that are clearly the hallmarks of our earnings model. To sum up, I really give the floor to the people on the call who have been very patient. Thank you very much for that. To sum up, our fundamentals are strong, but we acknowledge that our execution has not been as strong and it needs improvement. We've done a full diagnostics and we believe we've drifted. We've drifted from our core value proposition, but we have a plan in place to fix this with a focus to return the U.K. to stand up a like-for-like. The first phase is of a longer-term plan, fixing the basics before deepening our foundation and finally accelerating our growth. Thank you so much for listening.

Mike and I are very happy now to take your questions. I'd like to hand over to the operator. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. To ask a question, you will need to press star one and one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one and one again. We will now go to the first question. One moment, please. Your first question today comes from the line of Vandita Sood from Citi. Please go ahead.

Vandita Sood
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Morning. Thank you for taking the question. I just had three, if that's okay. First one is just on your guidance on my maps. If I think about the EBITDA in the first half, year on year, if I exclude the extended producer responsibility tax and FX, it's about GBP 60 million lower year- on- year. If I assume sort of the midpoint of your guidance range, it implies that the second half EBITDA will be just about GBP 10 million lower year- on- year. What's the bridge there? Is it all gross margin or is there anything else? Should I take them one by one?

Mike Schmidt
CFO, B&M Retail

Yeah, I'm happy to pick that one up straight away, Vandita. Hi. In terms of the guidance, I think we've set out what we think is a realistic range for the full year. We're clearly still early in our key autumn-winter season. When we look at the first half, as you rightly say, there are some one-offs coming through. There is also that trading margin and like-for-like picture that we've called out. That is to say that we saw lower bought-in margins in the first half for our spring-summer ranges. We've seen that trend moderate, reverse into the autumn-winter ranges as we expect. That's one area where we see a difference. The second area is clearly what the like-for-like out-turn will be. We saw 0% across the half as a whole, albeit a negative second quarter, but an improving trend.

Clearly, the range that we've set out for the second half is based on low single-digit negative through to low single-digit positive out-turn for that second half picture overall. As we continue to trade through, I think we'll get a clearer picture. It is early in the season, but we do think we've based the range appropriately and realistically.

Vandita Sood
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Thank you. My second question was, what makes you confident that the 1.8% price cuts are enough? If as a basket, you were 15% cheaper, but clearly on some products you were less than this, does around 2% make it enough for people to recognize that you are the cheapest place to be? What kind of things can you do to communicate that you will end up being cheaper, let's say, for someone who's not walked into your store? Typically, you've shied away from marketing and things like that.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Yeah, that's a good question. I think the number we've quoted, of course, is the investment to date. Pricing, of course, is a dynamic, let's say, process. Clearly, you react to competition because you want to make sure you always got the best prices. That's the investment to date. It actually shows two things. I think it shows that actually overall, we were not far off from where we need to be, but we were not sharp enough. That's why we need an incremental investment in pricing. It's very simple. You know, we don't want to be more expensive, especially with our closest competitor, and equal or lower is then the focus. I think where we stand today, I think our gap to competition in terms of pricing is the right one. Where we miss an opportunity is twofold.

To go back to your question, how could a customer see that you've got great value? I think that's actually an issue at B&M. First of all, you know, because of the large number of SKUs, many of our items, even bestsellers, are on one or two phasings. Any other retailer would merchandise these products quite dominantly, full shelf, full bay, and then immediately, even if you would have no reference, you would see as a customer there's great value to be had. We normally don't also communicate any, let's say, RRP difference. Many, of course, of our brands have an RRP from the manufacturer. If you would take that as a reference point, even if you would not know B&M very well, and you would then see the B&M price, you would know that there's great value to be made at B&M.

I think those are two very simple principles of merchandising we haven't applied at B&M. It actually doesn't really take a lot of marketing spend to actually achieve that. Those are the changes we intend to make. Value is all about merchandising in an assertive way and then making sure you reference the price in the market properly. Then there's great value at B&M. The anecdotal evidence we see in the stores where we are trialing, you know, merchandising more dominantly, we see the early effects that those products actually do sell even stronger than they do today. We don't believe there's currently a price issue. It is executing those items in a stronger way.

Vandita Sood
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Thank you. The last one, just a quick one. You say that there's an opportunity from improving availability. Just wondering if you have what typically B&M's availability has been versus the 86% today or the industry.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Yeah, it's a good question. We didn't really have, let's say, metrics in place that measured on-shelf availability in a way that I'm used to. Other retailers would have planograms, ranges, and then you would have a GAP scan in the morning. You would actually know very well what your on-shelf availability is. If you have an online channel next to it, you would know straight away your on-shelf availability. We don't have to have both. For us, it's never been really a focus. There are ways, though, without planograms and without online, to find the right metrics to analyze and measure on-shelf availability. We've taken the best-selling, let's say, 250 lines as a proxy. There we came to a number of about 86%. We haven't done the measurement on the complete estate.

Given that normally people in stores will be quite focused on those lines, you would probably assume that the rest of the FMCG availability probably is even a bit worse than that. Let's assume it's 86% across the fleet. We believe there's still a significant upside to bring to best practice in terms of availability. 86% is the number that we know. It's for the best-selling lines. I could assume that that actually is probably a bit worse for the rest of the FMCG range in our stores.

Vandita Sood
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will now take the next question. The next question comes from the line of [Ben Hunt from Pine Muir]. Please go ahead.

Oh, morning there. One thing you haven't touched on much in the presentation was your thoughts on the size of the estate and whether you've had any thoughts about the right size of that. The second question I have is just on the reduction of SKUs. How should we think, how's this going to sort of affect the top line versus bottom line dynamics? Are we going to see this effect come through through lower items in baskets, or is it going to be less footfall or lower frequency? Clearly, there's a trade-off between selling less and your addressable market. Any sort of color you can give or how you think that's going to come through?

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Yeah. No, thanks, Jess. First of all, size of the estate. You know we have a very focused allocation of capital and very disciplined. Every single store that we open has to be approved by Mike and myself. There's a very clear framework of hurdle rates that new sites need to basically hit before we actually approve. There's also a post-mortem review of sites opened by cohorts to make sure that we've hit the right benchmarks with our execution and that, if needed, we change the model. We've got a very, very healthy estate. I've worked with very few retailers with so many positively contributing stores as B&M. It's quite remarkable how healthy this estate is. You know we are still able, and we've done historically, this, of course, has been a long-term ambition to go to 1,200 sites over time without a clear timeframe pinned to this.

I think that ambition, as you could have seen over the last 5 years- 10 years, the growth of B&M was a combination of opening our own stores' greenfields, but also taking advantage of some retailers, let's say, exiting the market. We believe the dynamic will continue over time. We are currently reviewing, again, the assessment of how many sites we could trade in a positive way. That work is on the way. As I stand today, we have guided today that we still believe for this year a gross opening number of 40 - 45. I think the estate currently today in the U.K. is very healthy, and we still believe there's significant opportunities to grow over time. We will confirm the longer-term number when we do our interims in November, but I don't see a need at this stage to change that assessment to a large extent.

I think I basically guide towards that opportunity. In terms of reduction of SKUs, it's interesting. My experience actually has been that less is more. If you actually take out proliferation and you take out duplication of choice, customers actually buy more because it's an easier shop. Especially in a retailer like B&M, where you are basically doing an FMCG, let's say, we're a supporting function to the main supermarkets in a way. You know you're here to stock up, you're here to buy a great deal for a great price or a unique line that you couldn't see in the supermarket. That function will only be better if we have less range because it's easier to shop. My experience is that actually less range actually leads to better outcomes. The other benefit, of course, with less range comes less complexity.

For our store teams, it's easier to execute a store. For our DC, it's better to run their business. For our buying teams, they can actually buy at better cost. My experience is less range actually drives higher sales. It's visible first, of course, in ATV, sorry, average transaction value. Over time, clearly, you will be able to get customers to come more frequently to you. It will also be visible in more transactions.

Great, many thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Manjari Dhar from RBC. Please go ahead.

Manjari Dhar
VP of Equity Research, RBC

Morning. Thank you for taking my questions. I just had two, if I may. You've outlined a number of actions that you're taking in store, but I was just sort of wondering if you'd give some color on which of these actions you think will become most empowering to customers in stores first, and when you'd expect the full range to be visible and appreciated by the consumer. Secondly, I just had a question on leverage and a potential share buyback. I guess, how comfortable do you feel buying back shares with leverage above target at the moment? Thank you.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Yeah, I'll take the first one. Mike will take the second one. On the customer side, clearly, we would like our customers to notice, of course, all the improvements as soon as we implement them. Unfortunately, even though we are very patient retailers, most customers are not that very focused when they walk into our store. It will take multiple visits to our store before they really, really notice the changes. There's always a bit of a lag. If you look at the four main drivers of our improvements, clearly, price, we have actions. We've got a very rigorous focus every single week on our pricing to the most senior levels. Price is visible, but clearly, it will take a bit of time for customers to notice.

The moment we take out a bit more range and we merchandise more assertively and we've got better price communication on shelf, that will even have more effect. The availability will take a bit of time to flow through. We need to change the way of working for our teams. Promotions, that's the most visible part. If you walk into B&M today, you won't see replication of core FMCG range, but you'll see the seasons being triggered now at our store. I think to answer your question, the longest time we would probably need to change and refocus our ranges across the whole shop. FMCG clearly is a more, let's say, core routine replenishment type of product, but general merchandise is a seasonal buy. We need a couple of seasons to address the whole store. It will take some time for the customers to change their behavior.

We expect that the full benefits and the full effects of all of this will be visible in 12 months- 18 months. As I said before, the first impact is on pricing and promotion.

Mike Schmidt
CFO, B&M Retail

Yeah. Your second question, Manjari, look, we're clearly not discussing capital allocation today, but we do, as you know, have a strong free cash flow generation and a track record of returning that excess cash back to shareholders. The reason we're pursuing the change in domicile is that we do view share buybacks as being potentially an attractive use of capital. The 1x-1.5x range is something that we target at reaching at year end once we've traded through the golden quarter. The half-year position that we're reporting on today is always impacted by the timing of stock arriving into the business. From our perspective, I think it's too early to be having that conversation. Let us trade more of the golden quarter, and we can then discuss in November and January.

Going back to the fundamentals and to the fundamental strengths of this business, this is a business that has always been, and we expect to continue to be, strongly cash generative, and we will use those cash returns to drive value for our shareholders.

Manjari Dhar
VP of Equity Research, RBC

That's great.

Mike Schmidt
CFO, B&M Retail

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Adam Cochrane from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Adam Cochrane
Retail and Luxury Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Good morning. Thanks, guys. A couple of questions from me. In terms of the dynamics in the second quarter and your review of the business, do you think you're facing more of a footfall challenge or an average basket size or number of items per basket challenge at the moment?

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

It is very clearly an ATV basket challenge. Actually, if anything, our footfall numbers, so our transactions over the half, have been stable, which is positive because in the end, it is significantly a sign of strength of the brand that customers still return to B&M, but actually are buying a bit less from us and a bit less. I think, as you know, part of it's self-inflicted in general merchandise products, where we basically, let's say, bought lower-priced items. Part of it's also because we were not attractive enough in FMCG, but it's really a basket opportunity at the moment to drive a higher basket.

Adam Cochrane
Retail and Luxury Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Secondly, in your analysis, have you worked out exactly why consumers are coming into store? In days of old, they came into B&M for the food, the FMCG, big brands, low prices. Given how much your general merchandise range has evolved, in my very anecdotal visits to B&M, it feels like more customers are going in for the general merchandise offer first. Is that something that you're seeing as well, or do you think that customers are still going in for food?

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

That's correct. We're very light on customer insights, but the customer insights that I have seen, especially on motivations and drivers for people to come to B&M, the majority of customers now state that they come to B&M to buy general merchandise. That's correct. I think that that's actually a good starting position because I think there's very few physical retailers in the U.K. that have the breadth and the depth of our range in general merchandise at our price points. It's a very strong position. With the seasons, there's always a need and a reason to come to B&M. We see the same thing in France. The opportunity, of course, is to strengthen our FMCG so that people will not only come to general merchandise, but also will come for our FMCG. I think in the end, you know, retail is a dynamic industry.

I'm more than happy to accept the fact that people are now coming for our GM because our GM is also, I think, stronger at the moment than our FMCG. There's a chance to strengthen FMCG and as a consequence, strengthen our proposition for customers.

Adam Cochrane
Retail and Luxury Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

In terms of we've heard for a number of years how pricing was in the right place, and now we're being told that it's not in the right place. Is this really just a matter of changing the way that you're looking at how you benchmark pricing on the per line by basis rather than the per basket basis? Mike, you've been there for a while, and the trading team has been there for a while. What's driven the change in the way that you look at pricing?

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

I think it's important to focus on how we can fix it. In the end, I wasn't there in the past. For me, there are three elements to price. I think people always think that the price index is the only area to go for, but that's just one element of the price perception because ultimately, that's your goal as a retailer, to improve your price perception. It's the actual pricing. If on a line-by-line basis on key items that you buy, we are more expensive, even though it's only GBP 0.03, GBP 0.04, GBP 0.05 on an item, we are more expensive, period. That's really hurting your price perception with a group of customers that know the price of that item. Secondly, from a range perspective, key items with key value need to be merchandised dominantly. You don't have space in our stores to actually do this.

Thirdly, you have to communicate this consistently to customers. In point two and three, we're not done in recent years. Our index was strong, but our line-by-line comparison wasn't strong. It's those three items in tandem that actually drive a better price perception. That's what we've started to rebuild.

Mike Schmidt
CFO, B&M Retail

Adam, you asked me the question there as well. I think the only thing that I'd build on to Tjeerd's point in terms of what is different versus the past is certainly, we do have a more granular insight on the lines that make up the basket. That is helped by the tools that we are using. That is the one change that has been put in place, and that makes it a far more transparent conversation.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

It's a good point. I understood in the past the price collections were done by the buying teams themselves. They went out and we used Excel as a base. We're now using a third-party provider, and we've got a portal, and we've got analytics to analyze the basket in a much more sophisticated way.

Adam Cochrane
Retail and Luxury Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Lastly, thinking about your comment, the full sort of future profit margins are expected to stabilize at at least the FY 2026 out-turn level. Is this a step away from the 12%- 13% U.K. EBITDA margin that we hoped? Effectively, now the new base is 10% there or thereabout looking forward.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

That's exactly what it reads, what it says, and what it's meant to communicate. Exactly. Spot on.

Adam Cochrane
Retail and Luxury Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Brilliant. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one and one on your telephone. We will now go to the next question. Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Pritchard from Peel Hunt. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Pritchard
Retail Analyst, Peel Hunt

Good morning. Two or three if I may. Just back on that health of the portfolio. The closure number was pretty high, 14 in the first half. Is that just timing, or is that something slightly more fundamental? Do you feel that the stores might need a bit of cash spent on them? Is there a bit of store underinvestment from a capital perspective that you might see? A couple more, just on the sort of investment into the P&L. Obviously, you'll be talking about communicating the price position. You know, could we see a bit more marketing going on? Do we need more payroll, more staff density? Do we need more bodies in the stores to help on availability, to help on queue lengths, et cetera? Just really a one-word answer on ultimate ambition in France.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Yeah, there's quite a few questions there. You're right to point out that in the half, we have had an elevated number of closures versus what our normal run rate is. I think it's two factors here. I think it's timing of relocations with a more lag of openings in the second half. Also, like any other retailer, whenever a lease comes up for renewal and profitability, and again, this isn't B&M exceptional, but when profitability is marginal, it's then the right decision to close the store instead of continuing a marginal store. Without density of network, the sales of that store will then flow through existing stores in the area, and you have a better outcome in terms of profitability for the company. I wouldn't point to any structural changes here. This is just what we have done in this half, and it's mainly influenced by timing.

In terms of capital for stores, we've got quite a young estate. Many of our stores have been opened in the last 10 years, and it's a low fit-out cost. Clearly, I've outlined that for phase two, we're also focusing on store experience, and we'll revisit that when we have a chance to update you in November. I would say overall, given that the average 10-year is quite young for a retailer, I think our stores are pretty well invested at this stage. Finally, in terms of staff in stores, what I do see, though, and of course, you always have to challenge, like any retailer, is balancing the hours that you put in stores and the cost levels that you want to run your business on in terms of keeping prices low. That's always, let's say, a dilemma. I think we've managed this in B&M to a good level.

That said, as I outlined, if I would compare our ways of working and especially the use of technology, or rather the lack of use of technology to support store teams, I think there's for us an opportunity to simplify ways of working in stores, remove administration and paperwork, so low-value add work, which could free up hours in store. I think ultimately, the right thing to do for the business is not to bank those hours, but to reinvest in even better execution. I think there's an opportunity to reallocate the hours from low-value add to value add. As you outlined, then it's better to spend time at the tills to shorten queues. It's better to work on our shelves on replenishment than to spend time in the back of the store in the office doing all kinds of paperwork. That's very much in sight for the second phase.

On France, not for today, that's why it was on phase three. Clearly, if you look at the performance of France in the quarter, we were really pleased with that performance in a very competitive market. We would like to come back to the opportunity we see in France over time when we share the interim results on the 13th of November.

Jonathan Pritchard
Retail Analyst, Peel Hunt

Okay. Thanks, Mike.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Geoff Lowery from Redburn Atlantic. Please go ahead.

Geoff Lowery
Retail and Sporting Goods Analyst, Redburn Atlantic

Good morning, team. Just one question, really. You've been helpfully explicit about your bottom line margin expectations. If we think about the gross margin level, pre-COVID, B&M was roughly 34% gross margin. Last year was roughly 37% gross margin. Which of those numbers do you think is closer to being right for your mix of sales going forward? Thank you.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Yeah, it's a 37% margin. That's the margin we feel comfortable with.

Geoff Lowery
Retail and Sporting Goods Analyst, Redburn Atlantic

Despite the price investment that you're talking to today?

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

I think we shared at the first quarter that we had made the decision last year to buy for significantly lower price points, and as a consequence, also lower margin rates in our GM part of our business. That's why bought-in margin came out lower than the prior year. If you would look strategically at the B&M model, you would rather actually do the inverse. The way the model clearly was built is you have a significantly lower margin in FMCG, and that margin, to an extent, is also dependent on the price competitiveness of what's happening in the supermarket part of the retail industry. Of course, we want to be 15% cheaper. If they become more competitive, we react. On the GM side, that's where you get a chance to, with trends and with great design and with our unique proposition, to have higher margins.

Normally, the combination of the two would lead to the 37%. I think we have had the last 12 months, unfortunately, taken the decision to reduce the GM margins. That's why the mix wasn't where it needs to be. We believe we can bring the mix back to that level and, as a consequence, be sharp in FMCG and still offer great value for GM.

Mike Schmidt
CFO, B&M Retail

Yeah, and look, I think just to sort of expand on your question a bit more, if you go back and look at what has changed from pre-COVID levels, I think you're broadly right with the numbers that you're calling out. What that doesn't address is the mix of products that were sold pre-COVID and the mix of products that are sold today. We've grown stronger in certain categories. As Tjeerd's touched on earlier, customers are coming to us more as a GM destination. Clearly, you see a different margin profile between the two sides of our business. Some of that change is just reflecting the mix of the business. We've talked before about it being balanced between general merchandise and FMCG. That continues to be the picture today. Certainly, it's about strength in the GM proposition in a number of those categories where we're very comfortable.

We've got the right pricing that gives us the confidence that the current gross margin is the right level.

Geoff Lowery
Retail and Sporting Goods Analyst, Redburn Atlantic

Lovely. Thank you for the color.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one and one on your telephone. We will now take the next question. Your next question comes from the line of Kate Calvert from Investec. Please go ahead.

Kate Calvert
Equity Analyst and Head of Retail and Consumer Research, Investec

Good morning, everyone. Two questions from me. The first question is on your ability to reduce the number of SKUs sort of near term. Can you impact the spring/summer buy, or has that already been bought? Should we expect more material reduction to come through from the autumn/winter? My second question is, we've heard a lot about the fact that the business didn't really have the right tools to measure performance properly. What other analytical tools are you missing which you need to run the business more efficiently? Should we expect IT investment and therefore depreciation to go up as a percentage of sales going forward? Thanks very much.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

Yeah, I'll take the first one, and Mike can talk to the second one. In terms of the SKU reduction, clearly, the performance of FMCG has been weakest. Our priority now is to make sure that we have the right SKU counts in FMCG. The timing there depends on making sure we use the right analysis, the right data to see where duplication is redundant and where we can actually take product out. We also need to work through with our suppliers. There's a grocery code if we want to partner with suppliers where we have a certain period of time where we need to, let's say, wind down our relationship. There are practical, but also analytical steps to take to make sure we got the right FMCG ranges. We're starting our first pilot at the end of the month.

We'll then see what the impact will be and we'll take the learnings. We have a program to execute this probably over the next 6 months- 12 months in FMCG. The buys for spring/summer have been done. That's why I mentioned it probably takes 18 months for the whole store to be done because we just missed that buy. As of every single buy now, the target for our buying teams is to reduce the number of lines compared to the year prior. That's the way we then task them to buy deeper and take more volume per item. That's why it will take for the complete store to be done about 18 months. The most important focus now, and I think also the biggest upside, is in rearranging and refocusing FMCG.

Mike Schmidt
CFO, B&M Retail

I think your question in terms of analytical tools, you're right to say that there will need to be some additional spend to support the store processes. Likewise, this is a business that is very focused in terms of the technology that we introduce. We do have discipline on any area of spend as a low-cost retailer. I think what we're really looking at here is targeted levels of spend that add to our IT costs. IT costs, generally speaking, now it's far more common to see sort of software as a service, so it's as part of the OpEx spend rather than depreciation, Kate. I'd expect that to be part of the picture. That's very much built into our outlook for margins that we have discussed today.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

To add this, I think you could say that clearly our application of technology is not in bleeding edge. We've probably been a bit behind the curve in terms of applying latest and greatest. I think that's now an advantage because, for example, with the replenishment opportunity in terms of availability, we're now, let's say, seriously evaluating the use of AI tools to help our store teams guide where the opportunities are in terms of missing items. These tools have become quite, let's say, cost-effective, but will provide significant value. If I compare to, you know, full breed systems 10 years ago in retail where you had to invest millions to get certain technology for stores, now you basically can have a SaaS application and AI will basically crunch your numbers and guide the store teams. They all have these digital head terminals.

I think we're able now to actually take advantage of much more cost-effective tools that were not available 10 years ago, but we can now start applying. That's what we're doing at B&M.

Kate Calvert
Equity Analyst and Head of Retail and Consumer Research, Investec

Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. There are currently no further questions. I will now hand the call back to Tjeerd for closing remarks.

Tjeerd Jegen
CEO, B&M Retail

I would like to thank you very much for your time, and thanks very much for the questions. Clearly, we have given our expectations for the year. Of course, our performance hasn't been where we like to be. I think you have heard today that we know where the issues are. We know where we've drifted. We know how to address them. That's the focus of the team. We're getting into our golden quarter. If anything, I would like to encourage all of you to visit one of our stores because I can guarantee you we've got fantastic lines for Christmas, and you trimming your tree and decorating your home will never be as good as if you've been to B&M. Thank you very much for your support, and I would like to thank you for your time. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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