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H2 22/23

Jul 6, 2023

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Good morning, everybody. I guess this audience probably sees quite a few worthy corporate videos of that kind in your line of work, and I hope by the time we finish this morning, you might see that this one is, at least, is a little different. Yes, giving longer life to technology is very good for the planet and very good for customers' pockets, but it also makes us money, and we have a firm intention for it to make us more. I'm gonna lead off, Bruce is gonna take you through the numbers. How would I summarize what happened last year? In short, mixed, a very mixed performance.

On the one hand, we came in at the top end of the guided range on profit and on cash, and the U.K.'s very strong and strengthening performance is very encouraging, not least because we can see the strategy working that lies behind it, and we've started this year in line. On the other hand, the Nordics' performance last year was deeply disappointing, and we remain cautious about the consumer outlook. You put those two things together, it's caused us to be pretty prudent in our planning to make sure that we are staying absolutely watertight, even in any reasonable worst-case scenario on balance sheet and on liquidity, and also being cautious in the forecasts for the market going forward. We expect another year of declining markets. That's the prudence in our planning, if you like.

If the market is better, if we turn out to have been excessively prudent, okay, we'd rather be surprised on the upside, and we will do better than we'll be ready to do better in the event that the market is better. Longer term, we're confident. We're confident that we're building something here that's not just resilient through the short term, but in the longer term, is going to prosper. Enough from me. I'm gonna hand over to Bruce to talk you through the numbers from last year.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Thank you, Alex. Good morning, everybody. As Alex has said, it was a mixed performance from a group perspective, with a very strong U.K. performance and perhaps a disappointing Nordic performance. What I'm going to do, I'm going to step you through a very single slide on a group overview, and then I'm going to go through division by division. At a group level, we finished last year with revenue at GBP 9.5 billion, which was down 6% or roughly down GBP 600 million. Our adjusted profit before tax was GBP 119 million, down 38% year-on-year. Our free cash flow was an outflow of GBP 74 million. Our total indebtedness was down roughly GBP 100 million - GBP 1.6 billion. Our adjusted EPS, 8.3p, down 33%.

Finally, we returned GBP 35 million to shareholders by way of dividend. At a group level, stepping through each of our divisions, starting with the U.K., our revenue was GBP 5.1 billion. On a like-for-like basis, that was down 7% year-over-year. Despite our sales being down, we successfully grew our bottom line, up by 44% - GBP 170 million of EBIT. From an international perspective, our Nordic business was less positive. Revenue of GBP 3.8 billion, like-for-like, -10%. Perhaps the most marked number that we'll talk about today is the adjusted EBIT number for our Nordic business was GBP 26 million. That was down 81%.

Finally, Greece, quite a different situation in Greece, where we had sales growth up 12% on a like-for-like basis. Some of that was driven by the strong macroeconomic environment within Greece. Some of it was through a program or a number of programs of government subsidies that are in place, which are helping our categories. Overall, profitability was down 3% at GBP 18 million. That means that at a group level, our group EBIT was GBP 214 million, down 24%. Drilling down into the U.K., as I've said, like-for-like sales were down 7%. I think it's interesting that our online share of business was absolutely flat year-on-year. Our adjusted EBIT, as I've said, good step forward, up from GBP 117 million up to GBP 170 million, an increase of 44%.

That means that our adjusted EBIT margin improved by 130 basis points to 3.4%. Our operating cash flow also stepped forward to GBP 181 million, very much driven by that improvement in operating cash. However, our segmental free cash flow stepped back to GBP 16 million. There are three key factors here. By far, the most important is working capital. Again, because our business is getting smaller, that means because of the structure of our working capital, lower purchases, lower sales means we've had slower stock turns, and although we've successfully reduced the amount of stock across all of our business, unfortunately, our trade payables have reduced by further, and that's why we've got more of our stock has been paid for, and we've got a cash outflow. That is one factor.

Another factor is we have seen increases within our exceptionals, cash exceptionals, offset by lower CapEx. In terms of a profit bridge for the U.K., as I said, our profitability increased by 130 basis points at an EBIT level. As you can see, a second year in succession of gross margin progression, up by 160 basis points, offset by 30 basis points decline within our OpEx ratios. Why did our gross margin step forward by 160 basis points? There's five factors. The first factor relates to mobile revaluations. I spoke about this a bit in May. The year-on-year progression that has come from our mobile revaluation is worth roughly GBP 10 million. The other factors, I guess, are part of our core strategy in terms of growing our gross margin.

It's worked well so far and will continue to be our strategy going forward. The first is to continue to increase adoption rates of credits and services, which are so important for our customers. Secondly, it's about monetizing the improvements that we've generated in terms of customer service. The best manifestation of that is the fact that we are now charging for delivery and for installation. The third is making better choices to drive profitability using data. That could be the products that we choose to sell, the promotions that we propose to run, or the advertising money that we put behind certain activities. That's really helping drive the bottom line. The final component is reduced supply chain and service operation costs. Great success growing gross margin off the back of another growth the year before.

In terms of operating expenses, as I say, operating expense to sales ratios declined by 30 basis points. You could put all of that decline down to one factor, and that's the fact that we lost the business rates relief in FY2022, so therefore, year-on-year, we lost roughly GBP 50 million worth of benefit. With the exception of that, our cost-saving activity more than offset our inflationary headwinds, and the only reason the ratio didn't improve was that our cost reduction broadly fell in line with our drop-off in sales. It's worth drilling into costs in a little bit more detail. Our cost inflation was significant. The headwinds continued through the year. As you can see, the biggest cost inflation came through in wages as we continued to invest in our colleagues.

You can see on the graph there at the top right-hand side, that if you look over the last five years, we've invested a 37% increase in colleague wages, up to GBP 10.80. The in-year effect of that was GBP 21 million. We've also seen substantial increase in energy costs. Our energy costs increased year-on-year by GBP 50 million. That's an increase of 65% year-on-year. And actually, if you looked over two years, our energy costs have increased by GBP 23 million, so a substantial headwind on our profitability. We have had some good news. You'll remember in FY 2022, we were suffering from very heavy shipping costs. That pressure has unwound somewhat, and that's improved our inflation number by roughly 7%.

Elsewhere in the business, we've got another GBP 8 million of inflation, which adds up to a total of GBP 37 million. However, offsetting that are fabulous work that's taken place right across the organization to take cost out of the business. Over the last 12 months, we've reduced our cost base by GBP 120 million, and you can see there how that splits between gross margin and operating costs. If I was to go through each of these in turn, supply chain, an awful lot of focus on brilliant basics, getting the basics right, getting things right first time within our supply chain and our service operation. That, combined with the outsource relationships we've got with GXO and Webhelp, have allowed us to dramatically reduce our cost base. Within our stores, we've changed our operating model within our stores.

We've talked about this before, multi-skilling our colleagues so they're better able to help customers, improve availability of colleagues within the store, and at the same time, reduce our costs by GBP 36 million. We continue to work on Goods Not For Resale, looking to work with our suppliers to lower our cost. From an IT perspective, we continue to take out some of our legacy systems to simplify our estate and also the suppliers we work with. From a marketing perspective, we're showing GBP 13 million worth of cost saving. This isn't simply cutting marketing and therefore have lower sales. This is where we've used data to identify marketing activity that simply isn't adding value. Most of this is digital advertising, PPC advertising, where we've taken out activity that simply wasn't generating profit.

The final component is central cost, I just wanted to spend a moment talking about a new relationship. It's now been in place for roughly a year, but we're now ready to talk about it. We're partnering with a large organization called Infosys. Infosys are helping us set up a global business services function, and as you can see from the list, this is not just traditional finance and HR outsourcing. We're looking at getting support for the entire organization. That gives us the opportunity to unlock wage arbitrage saving, as well as significa nt efficiencies using Infosys' expertise. We've already transferred 800 heads from Currys and Elgiganten in the Nordic into Infosys, and that's allowed us to save roughly GBP 5 million this year, and that saving will continue going forward.

Moving on to our Nordic business, again, revenue GBP 3.8 billion, down 10% like for like. Our adjusted EBIT, as I've said, dropped from GBP 142 million down to GBP 26 million. Our adjusted EBIT margin falling by 280 basis points, down to 0.7%. That fall in profitability has had an impact on our operating cash flow, down to GBP 63 million, in turn, we've seen a negative flow within our segmental free cash flow, an outflow of GBP 42 million. Again, as I described for the U.K., the business is shrinking. That means we've got slower stock turns, it means that our working capital is an outflow. In terms of the profit bridge for the Nordic business, I described 280 basis points drop year on year.

Again, I think we've talked about this quite a lot over the last 12 months. By far, the lion's share of that drop profitability year-on-year is in gross margin, a fall of 200 basis points year-on-year. Why has that happened? Again, much talked about, we've seen significant COGS inflation within our Nordic business. A chunk of that caused by FX impacts with the weakness of the NOK and the other Nordic currencies. At the same time, we've been unable to pass those COGS increases on to consumer during the course of the last 12 months. Why? Because demand has been soft, because there's been excess stock in the market at certain points, but there's also been intense competition.

I'm sure you've seen, and you will hear more about the drop in the profit pool across the whole Nordic market. In terms of OpEx, our costs actually in the Nordics fell in absolute terms, and you will have seen in the narrative some of the conversation about the cuts that we're making across the Nordic business, particularly in the final quarter, as the business looks to slim down its cost base so that we can improve the bottom line as we go ahead. Our costs are down in absolute terms. We are facing in, however, to significant inflationary headwinds, exactly the same as in the U.K., around payroll, energy, et cetera. The cost-saving activities are helping us to more than offset that, and the program of change that I described in the U.K. mirrors the activity we're doing in the Nordics.

Finally, from a divisional perspective, just talk about Greece briefly. As I say, different to U.K. and Nordics, in a growth situation, strong GDP growth, and supported by government subsidies. Our adjusted EBIT did fall by GBP 3 million, although I'd remind you, if you remember our first half results, our Greek business dropped back year-over-year by GBP 10 million. You can see the substantial growth that the Greek business enjoyed during the second half. Our adjusted EBIT margins fell by 100 basis points. Our operating cash flow stepped back, broadly in line with our profitability. Segmental free cash flow, however, stepped up significantly. This is the mirror of the U.K. and Nordic. A business in growth within our market will unlock free cash flow gains as stock turns more quickly.

Quickly, just in terms of our Greek EBIT bridge, as I say, gross margins down 80 basis points. All of that was in the first half. More than all of that was in the first half as that margin recovered for reasons very similar as we were experiencing then to the Nordics. From an operating expense perspective, our cost base has grown within our Greek business as we've invested behind growth, and also we've suffered similarly from an inflation perspective in terms of payroll and energy. Moving on to cash flow. Cash flow for the year was an outflow at free cash flow level at -GBP 74 million, compared to +GBP 72 million last year.

Of course, the by far the biggest component of that was a drop-off in our operating cash flow, a fall by GBP 107 million, and again, driven by the underperformance within our Nordic profitability. If I step down, the other components, our adjusting items increased to GBP 40 million from a cash perspective. The biggest single element of that is property exceptional cash flow, to do with our closed stores, dilapidations, etc. . The other component, the majority of it relates to restructuring cost as we've taken cost out of the organization. The reason the number is so materially different year-on-year, you may remember we had two big cash inflows, cash settlements last year, which were not anniversary. From a cash tax perspective, cash tax has increased by GBP 20 million year-on-year.

GBP 17 million of that I called out in this room 12 months ago. We knew that there was Nordic cash tax of GBP 17 million that related to FY 2022, but because of some changes in structure, it dropped into the reported year. That won't be anniversary going forward. Finally, cash interest. Cash interest increased by GBP 9 million - GBP 26 million, partly because of higher average net debt, and of course, partly because of higher interest rates. In terms of working capital, I think I've said this as I went through, overall, a working capital outflow of GBP 127 million. Roughly 2/3 of that was in the U.K., 1/3 of that was within the Nordics, offset by some improvements within Greece. In terms of uses of free cash flow, we returned GBP 35 million of cash to shareholders.

We made our pension contribution, our annual pension contribution of GBP 78 million in the year. You can see there's a big chunk of other that relates. It's GBP 50 million. It's to do with unrealized FX adjustments, as we've managed all of the FX movements across our opening balance in year and closing balance. I'm happy to pick that up in Q&A or take that outside, but it's simply FX math, which takes us to a movement in net cash outflow of GBP 141 million, and hence we've moved from having a positive cash balance of GBP 44 million to a net debt of GBP 97 million. Moving on to look at total indebtedness. Total indebtedness within Currys, we're thinking about the pension deficit, we're thinking about lease liabilities as well as net debt.

You can see that for the first time in five years, we actually saw a worsening within our total indebtedness, and that indebtedness increased by GBP 100 million to GBP 1.6 billion. However, if you chair that position to where we were three years ago, you can see that our indebtedness is significantly better than that base. In terms of why? Well, first of all, let me, let me just quickly touch on stock. I've talked about working capital. Our stock across the business is down 10% year-on-year. That's despite the fact that we've seen high single-digit COGS inflation within the business. We have significantly reduced our stock, and the health of that stock is very strong. Again, going back to the year on three years, our average net debt for this year was GBP 96 million.

If you look at that number, three years ago, it was GBP 355 million, so our net debt is much stronger. Our pension deficit on an IAS 19 basis has more than halved, from GBP 550 million - GBP 249 million. Our net lease liabilities have also reduced as we've closed unprofitable stores and reduced our average lease costs. From a liquidity perspective, the liquidity numbers here are our external liquidity, so the arrangements we have with our banks. Again, I talked about this quite a lot in May. There was concern over the headroom on our fixed charge cover. We worked with our banking lending partners, who were hugely supportive to us and allowed us to relax that fixed charge cover down to 1.5 x. We finished the year at 1.78.

We've got a headroom of roughly GBP 75 million of cash profit, so we've got good headroom, and as you can see there, our net debt leverage is no challenge. However, the external bank covenant, liquidity measures are not the only ones we use. We've also got a two internal liquidity measures that we monitor to monitor whether we're happy with the shape of our balance sheet. We actually shared these numbers and the methodology with you at our Capital Markets Day, if you were there, back in November 2021. We talked about a total indebtedness fixed charge cover. Again, we're there, we're talking about the pension deficit and lease liabilities as well as our net debt, would have to be more than 1.5 x, and our total indebtedness leverage would be less than 2.5 x.

Unfortunately, based on the trading that we've had over the last 12 months, we have slipped behind both of those internal metrics. Our fixed charge cover has dropped to 1.42, and our leverage has increased to 2.9 x. In that situation, I see a core part of my job to recover the liquidity, to protect the balance sheet, and to protect the company. What are we doing about that? Well, I guess the way I think about it is through our capital allocation policy and our priorities. Again, we shared something like this at the Capital Markets Day, and we explained that our first priority was to pay the required pension contribution. Our next job was to maintain a prudent balance sheet in line with those internal as well as external metrics.

Only if they were in place, would we invest to grow the business, pay and grow our ordinary dividend, and any surplus cash we would circulate to stakeholders. Picking up the first one of those in terms of our pension deficit, we've just completed the actuarial valuation for our 2022 pension review. It has now been signed and agreed with our pension trustees, and as you can see, it's good news from an actuarial deficit perspective. Our deficit has fallen from GBP 645 million in 2019 down to GBP 400 million in 2022. If you use those same assumptions and extrapolate them forward through to this year end, it would be down at GBP 300 million. Now, at the same time as doing this, we've worked with the pension trustees and very grateful for their support.

We've agreed a co- revised contribution schedule. This largely reflects the fact that the work we've been doing to reduce our deficit is ahead of where we planned it to be. That has allowed us to reduce our pension contribution this year from GBP 78 million down to GBP 36 million, and for FY 2025, next year, from GBP 78 million down to GBP 50 million. That gives the business GBP 70 million more cash flow to play with during the course of that 24-month period. There are some matching criteria associated with that. It's in our statement. I'm happy to pick it up in Q&A or outside.

That deals with lower pension contribution, but we need to continue to look to all aspects of our balance sheet and our P&L to get our liquidity back where we want to, particularly in an environment where there's huge uncertainty going forward in terms of the state of the economy. We're taking internal decisions. We are continuing and accelerating our cost-cutting activity, both in the U.K. and in our Nordic business. We're also taking significant reductions within our CapEx spend. Finally, we've made the tough decision that we're not going to be declaring a final dividend for the year that's just finished. Putting some numbers behind that, our capital expenditure, we expect to be GBP 80 million.

That's the basis of the budgets that we've set for this financial year, and as you can see, that's a significant drop year-on-year, but much, much lower than it's been historically. We had a few questions on it from analysts first thing this morning, so if I just spend a second to say that we're not putting the business at risk with this level of CapEx. We're being choiceful in terms of what we're investing and we're not, what we're not investing behind. Of course, we're being very focused on returns. There are a few projects that we're stopping that ideally we probably will bring back at a future date, so we've put them on the shelf for now, but when the market recovers, we will go back after those.

Another key thing for you to have in your mind when you think about this, within our P&L, we are absorbing quite a lot of OpEx that historically would have been CapEx. For example, as we switch to software as a service, that has meant that there's quite a lot of costs in our P&L that's had to be absorbed, that historically would have been in this number, and hence another reason it's dropped down. We continue on cost reduction. Cost reduction of GBP 300 million in the U.K. over a cumulative three years basis. You saw the progress we've made so far. We think we're on track to deliver that and additional cost savings within our Nordic business. We've talked about the reduction in pension contribution, and as I've said, we're going to stop the dividend.

Moving on, in terms of current year outlook, well, we've started the year in line with Board's expectations. Our capital expenditure, as I've said, is going to be around GBP 80 million. We're calling out that we expect our net cash exceptionals to increase in the current financial year from GBP 40-GBP 50. Some of that is because of higher property costs, more dilapidations are expected, but also the restructuring that sits around the cost out that I've described. A big chunk of that wasn't previously thought about, is the work that we're doing in the Nordics. I've talked about the annual pension contribution being lower. The sum total of all this activity is that we expect our net debt position, rather than get worse, which we saw last year, to improve this year.

We provided you some numbers in the slides for your models in more detail in terms of cash flow guidance. I don't propose to go through these, but I'm happy to answer any questions you have. If I was to summarize, I would say that the principal thing that we're thinking about is the uncertainty in the market. We've clearly had a really tough year in the Nordics, good year in the U.K., but the outlook remains uncertain. Our priorities that Alex will talk about is continuing our trajectory in the U.K. and getting the Nordics back on track. From my perspective, it's all around protecting the balance sheet and protecting the company from the downside risk, reducing capital expenditure, continuing to take cost out of the business, the reduced pension contribution, and stopping the dividend.

Final thing I would say is clearly we're making these tough choices through all stakeholders, including the support of our banking partners today based on where we are. At the point that the market isn't quite as bad as we are planning for, or the economy starts to recover, of course, we will revisit all of these components with all of our stakeholders. Thank you.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Thanks, Bruce. Let's get behind some of those numbers and talk about what we're doing to improve them. Let me start with the Nordics first. As you've heard, a long and successful track record of growth in sales and profits in the Nordics was brought to a very abrupt halt last year. It's worth saying at the outset that irrespective of what we'd done in response, what happened in the market in the Nordics last year would have meant, in any event, a sharp reduction in Elkjøp profits. Let's have a look at what happened in the market. I mean, the first is softening demand. The market went backwards by 4% year-on-year in the Nordics last year, fueled by multi-decade lows in each of these markets in consumer confidence.

It has picked up a bit in recent times. These are still very low consumer confidence numbers by historical standards. As that demand softened, as you've heard, costs increased. Both the cost of goods sold and our operating costs were subject to, again, for the Nordics, unprecedented levels of inflation. The nature of competition in the Nordics made it very hard for us to pass on that COGS inflation in higher prices. In the Nordics, there are competitors such as Komplett, NetOnNet, Verkkokauppa , Power, Elon, ProShop, Bilka, who, for slightly different reasons, all at different times during the course of last year, explicitly prioritized growth over profitability.

In doing so, they bought stock, in some cases, quite heavily, to fuel that growth at the same time as demand was falling, which caused a double hit, a discounting and a clearance double hit to market pricing during the year. As you see, some examples on the right-hand side, that's taken the market profit pool in the Nordics to near zero in the past year. That combination of softening demand, cost inflation, and vicious competition would have, as I say, in any event, have resulted in a very sharply declined year of performance in the Nordics last year. That said, our response could and should have been sharper. We could have spotted the market trends a little sooner. We could have taken action, particularly on costs, faster.

You know, with the benefit of hindsight, the balance of our trading solving between sales, top line, and margin rate, could have been a bit better. That's, that's what was. I'm confident that we're doing the right things, and we're doing it, first of all, because of a refreshed leadership team. We have new local leadership in the Nordics, not just the guys on this slide, but also, we've got two new country heads as well, who are bringing clarity on the situation, grip on the actions to improve it, and energy in getting the work done. They, we are bringing a much better balance, for one thing, to solving for top-line scale with profitability.

It's always a tricky balance to strike. I'm confident for this year we will be able to stay roughly twice as large or better than the next largest competitor in terms of protecting our number one market share slot, but we will, and are, improving gross margins. Let me build on some of the things you heard from Bruce to share a bit more detail about the actions that we're already underway with in the Nordics to improve profits. Starting with that better services adoption. In the online, in the Nordics, as in the U.K., we have a new platform, GNFR and GNFRC in the Nordics, which enables better services adoption rates, and that's one of the things that we're driving, as well as better services in store. Services aren't the only margin-accretive thing that we're driving.

On the right-hand side, you see accessories as well. Very positive for margin and some of the changes we're making online and in the till area in the stores are seeing better adoption of those margin-accretive accessories as well. Credit is another service where we're improving our adoption rate, driven by a better deal that we have now with Santander, but also insurance, amongst other services. We've got a much more flexible subscription model now, which is launched first on tablet and on mobile, with promising early results. Margin-accretive services and accessories, both of those, we will and are improving adoption. Just as in the U.K., we're not chasing less profitable sales. That means more pricing discipline, particularly on discounting. It means lower promotional intensity.

Finally, just as, again, just as in the U.K., we are reducing our costs in the supply chain and service operations in the Nordics in a way that benefits gross margin. All of this action is underway, and we will see, and are seeing, improved gross margins in the Nordics in FY 2024. It's also cost action that we're taking, and this is also underway. We've taken about 15% of central headcount out of the Nordics over the past year. We're also doing much more than we have previously to exploit group synergies. First of all, in the Infosys relationship that you heard Bruce talk about, that's a global relationship for us, and we're making more use of offshoring and outsourcing in the Nordics.

Second, we've moved to a single group IT function with procurement benefits and cost synergies across that now unified group team. Third, on GNFR, Goods Not for Resale, we're renegotiating as a group with the principal suppliers there, harnessing some group benefits, as I say. In stores, we've closed some less profitable stores. We're renegotiating leases on renewal, and we've imported from the U.K. a successful program on multi-skilling of colleagues, which enables, without loss of customer-facing time, significant colleague efficiencies. Finally, there's the same work that we're doing in the U.K. to improve our marketing efficiency is taking effect in the Nordics.

Action underway already on margin and on cost, which gives us confidence that even without any help from the market in the Nordics this year, and we're not counting on it, without any help from the market, we've hit bottom last year on profits, and we'll see a substantial improvement year-on-year in the Nordics next year. One thing I should mention, by the way, you see on the right-hand side of this cost slide, that a bunch of these initiatives are permanent, and there's going to be at least GBP 25 million of recurring annual benefits from those cost savings. I mentioned that we're not anticipating any help from the market, and we're not. We expect the market to continue to be tough in the Nordics and in the U.K., and both went backwards last year.

Our planning, anyway, is for both to continue to go backwards, in the next 12 months. In the U.K., let's turn to that because that's a very contrasting performance and therefore, a slightly different set of actions that we're taking. In the U.K., our market share did slip last year. I think I said at the half year that it slipped by slightly more than we were comfortable with, so we saw, as we rebalanced our trading approach, we saw an improving trend in the second half.

We kept our number one market share, and despite a 7% decline year on year in sales, as you see, we're able to effect substantial improvements in gross margin, 160 basis points up year on year, in the U.K., building on the 110 basis points of improvement that we saw the year before, a substantial driver of the profit improvements that you've heard about. Let me go into one level more depth on what we're doing and what we are going to continue to do to improve those gross margins.

The first thing is higher services adoption. Two big services we've called out here, credit, which is now near 18% of our sales in the U.K., up from very little a few years ago to, as I say, nearly 18% now, and care and repair back into growth. That core service of ours are 310 basis points up year-on-year. Importantly, both of these, credit and care and repair, have seen significant gains year-on-year in online. That historically was the weakness of that we suffered from historical channel shift towards online. We were less good at selling those margin-accretive services. We got better at it, and we intend to get better still. You've heard about monetizing the customer experience.

I'm gonna say a little bit more about that in a minute. Simply put, as you improve the experience you give to customers, so you can charge more for it, and the customer will bear that because they're still getting good value for money. We're not chasing less profitable sales. Now we've got better tools and better analytics, we don't have to. We understand better than we did previously end to end, where we truly make money in this business. It's allowed us, as you've heard, to take substantial cost out of our PPC and other digital marketing means, as well as be more selective on our promotions. Another big contributor to improving gross margins, as is the reduction in supply chain and service operations costs, which is nicely on track.

All of this rests on more capable and committed colleagues. If this might sound a little fluffy for some in the audience, we don't make any apology for this. All of these improvements in the profits in the U.K. would not have been possible without the fundamentals of retail, of more engaged colleagues leading to more satisfied customers. It's very hard in our business for the experience of the customer to exceed that of the colleague, which is why these numbers on the left are so important. A 13-point improvement in the independently measured, by Glint, levels of colleague engagement over the past few years. They are more engaged. That's not the only retail fundamental that we've been improving.

We've got a better range, we've got market-leading now availability, and we've invested quite painfully in the early years of the transformation in price, so that we won't be beaten and trained to the competition, that there's not much point in taking us on. All of this investment is now bearing fruit, and this is an important point that without these fundamentals, it would be very hard, if possible, if not impossible, for us to affect the improvements that we are now seeing in profit. They're the foundations on which we can now solve for improved profits, as well as keeping the colleague and the customer experience high. Our customers are happier. I mean, again, we get this measured independently, and NPS had another year of record performance last year in the U.K., up another 90 basis points and accelerating, as the year went on.

The reason for that is because we are improving the customer experience at every stage. I'm going to give you a bit more color on this because it matters, because it's not just nice for customers, it's also worth money. The first thing to say about the customer experience that we give at Currys is it is of an unusual scale and complexity. There aren't too many, in fact, there are no competitors who get anywhere close to 26 million products a year. The repairs number down the bottom, that's 600,000 big box repairs that we do every year. We get on for nearly three million repairs every year.

This is a big and complex beast of a customer experience that we give, and therefore, the prize of getting it right is accordingly large, the financial prize of getting it right. The approach that we've taken to improving the customer experience has been pretty simple, and you see it in the middle here. We spot pain points in the customer experience, we fix them, and then we put a process in place to prevent them from recurring. You see some of the results of this on the right-hand side. The store purchase customer satisfaction score is up another 200 basis points year-on-year, as we've done a really good job of leveling up the performance of underperforming stores. We've put a new assisted sales journey in place, which better tools and training for colleagues, and multi-skilling has been really important.

This has been big and painful, but really worthwhile. In, in short, what it's done is preserve the specialism of colleagues, so the customer still gets the expert advice, but means we've got much greater flexibility to serve, to serve the customers coming in with much more flexible in our capacity utilization. What that resulted in is a 15% year-on-year decline in store colleague cost, while moving forward the percentage of customer-facing time from 45% to 60%, so a 15 percentage point improvement in customer-facing time. More time in front of customers, less cost. That's the prize of the store NPS improving. Big box delivery at an installation at a record high.

That's gone up, 400 basis points year-on-year, as we've done things like better communications, better tracking, reduction of damages and fewer technical failures. Collection, well, we don't get everything right, and we had a dodgy start to the year on customer satisfaction on collection. Peak, we suffered from some significant disruption, from well-trailed problems on the small box supply chain out in the market. Took us a bit of time to recover from that, but we did, and you see in Q4, back up 320 basis points year-on-year, as we got better at using the stores and put more consistent processes in place.

Finally, repairs, the in-home repairs these are already at high scores, are now at record highs, as we've got better at repairing things rather than replacing them, as well as matching parts to the right goods. A bit of color to explain what we're actually doing to improve the customer experience, and this is worth money. The example here is from the big box delivery and installation that you saw on the previous slide. The actions that I talked to on the left-hand side. The benefits on the right. What are these benefits?

First of all, if you're installing a washing machine in a customer's home and you get it right first time, there are fewer repeat visits, and that's worth money, about GBP 9 million of annualized cost benefit from improving right first time. Your costs are, of acquiring customers are also lowered because more satisfied customers tend to come back, and they tend to recommend you, which, in turn facilitates the lower advertising spend that you've heard about. Third, a better service encourages more customers to adopt it, and you've seen a 490 basis point year on three improvement in installation adoption rates as the service has got better. Finally, if it's better, you can charge more for it. We charge for all big box deliveries and installations now.

You know, some fact packet math, when we're doing about 3 million delivery and installation and recycling orders per year, if we're charging now upwards of GBP 10 per order on an annualized basis, and we haven't seen the full annual benefits of this yet, but on an annualized basis, that's GBP 30 million of high-margin services revenue more. When we talk about why we're pleased about the rising NPS, it's not just because we're lovely people, it's because that's worth money. That, those are the retail basics that we're doing a better job of. There are two big differentiators, as you know, in this business, things that make us different from the competition. One is having online and stores together, omni-channel, and the other is services. Online and stores together, well, it's still the winning model.

Still, two-thirds of customers prefer to shop this way, as you heard from Bruce, actually, the proportion of sales in-store ticked up last year, as the channel mix stabilized. The important point here is that we're learning to make money out of this as well. Omnichannel's always been the winning model in technology retail, the challenge has been with more sales online, can you make as much profit doing it? Well, I think we're showing with a 45% increase year-on-year in profits in the U.K. that we are. Then there are the services, the second of our big differentiators, and I'm gonna call out a couple of these. First of them, the credit that helps customers afford their technology.

Credit is important. It's good that we had a good year. It's important not just because it makes customers happier. Our credit customers' NPS is significantly higher. It's important because they spend more, 20% more on other services, credit customers spend, 10% higher average transaction value in stores from credit customers. They are significantly likelier to come back, not just 70% likelier to return and shop with us in the next 12 months, but we see over 50% higher repeat basket rate from credit customers. They're valuable. It's good that we're growing them, as you see on the right-hand side, that we are, a 12% growth in credit customers last year to 1.94 million.

We're up to now credit sales grew by nearly a quarter, and we're now seeing a very healthy adoption rate of nearly 18%. This is good for customers. You can see that 'cause they're happier, and it's good for the business because we're building something quite valuable here, this, in this book of credit customers, of more valuable customers who return with the recurring revenue that comes along with that. That is that's building and is a good store of value. There's more to come on credit. We don't think we're anywhere near full potential on this yet, even though it's worth flagging there are some headwinds in the current financial year, one of the causes of our caution. With higher interest rates, we've had to put our APR up.

That will, everything else being equal, will serve to dampen demand. We're being pretty cautious about promising another big leap forward of credit penetration this year. We are doing some things differently to counteract those headwinds. We are, for example, introducing new personalized credit propositions this year, backed by better CRM, backed by better data, and will allow us to get after, you may recall, that GBP 4.9 billion of approved credit limits that customers haven't yet made use of, the open-to-buy, if you like, and we're much better able to tap into that after some slightly frustrating delays, but we're there now on the data and on the CRM. Much for credit, important for us and going in the right direction.

The second is back to that worthy video that you saw at the start on helping to give customers' technology longer life, in particular through our care and repair. This is not just good for customers, but it's good for us as well. Services sales are significantly more profitable than just selling products on their own, so it's good that we're growing them, and this is the flagship service. We've got, across the group, 14 million care and repair customers now, 9 million in the U.K., and as you can see, we're growing adoption, notably in stores, where that leveling up that we've been doing between store performance and the better assisted sales journeys have really kicked in to improve an already pretty strong performance.

Some signs on the right-hand side that we're starting to get our act together on selling this stuff online as well. It's just a start. 90 basis points year-on-year improvement, isn't enough to break out the bunting for, but it's an important start. We have the platform now, and we've learned some things on how to do this, and we see substantial potential for further growth there. Third and final of the sources of value that we're building here, after credit and after care and repair, is on subscriptions, and in particular, on mobile subscriptions, our own mobile virtual network operator, iD, which is ours, it's not a joint venture, and it's principally a subscriptions rather than a SIM-only business.

It's part of a mobile market that had a much healthier year last year, and a mobile category for us that had a healthier year last year. You'll recall the historical problems that we've had with our Carphone Warehouse business. That's all in the past. This is now a smaller but integrated, profitable, and growing category alongside all the others. Within our mobile category, iD, our own mobile virtual network operator, is in good shape. I mean, it's growing, as you see on the right-hand side, growing quite healthily, 13% subscriber growth, up to 1.3 million subscribers. This early start to this financial year has been very healthy as well, continuing that trend.

Customers are happier. We've got a competitive advantage here with the new deal that we signed with Three, which allows us, in effect, to offer the average customer GBP 200 off the mobile network operators per year on their subscription. We've got an advantage to build on, and we're doing so. As I think Bruce touched on, this presents an in-year headwind on profit and on cash as you grow the book faster. We're certainly not holding this back because this is something valuable for the long-term health of the business that we are keen to grow.

Those of you who follow the telecoms market will know that those subscribers are valued at anything between GBP 200-GBP 300 + per subscriber in the market. What we are building here is certainly something of value. As well as the retail fundamentals that are heading in the right direction, these three big stores of future value build what we call Customers for Life, Credit, Care and Repair, and Subscriptions that are in good shape. Looking forward, what do we look forward with? First of all, we look forward with prudence. You've heard it from Bruce. You'll hear it from me. Our first responsibility is to protect the shareholders. We've had a big hole in our performance last year from the Nordics.

I mean, in a business that makes GBP 200 odd million of EBIT, when one part of it makes GBP 116 million less, year-over-year, that's gonna leave a hole, and it did. The strong and strengthening U.K. performance is very encouraging, and we know what's behind it, and we're gonna keep going with it. There's no getting away from that Nordics challenge last year, and the outlook remains uncertain. We're certainly not calling a sustainable, sustained consumer recovery just yet. There are some positive signs maybe, we'd rather be prudent. If we're wrong on the upside, great, we'll be ready, and we'll be ready to make the most of it. What are we building here?

We believe what we're building here is a business that's not just resilient in the short term on ample liquidity and a very strong balance sheet that we've got, and able to deal with any reasonable worst-case scenario quite comfortably, but something also that's fit for the future and fit to prosper, whether it's the more engaged colleagues, the more satisfied customers, the proven winning model in the market and building some quite interesting sources of recurring value in customers for life as well. All of this is enabling the U.K. business to show some quite healthy increases in profit.

As you've heard, it's, yes, we make no apology for taking the tough decisions that all stakeholders, whether it's banks or shareholders or the business, or the pension fund, have kicked into to make sure we're absolutely watertight against downside risk. On the upside, we fully intend to keep going on the trajectory of the U.K. business. Super important that we do. We're on it. We know what's behind it. We're gonna keep doing those things while we get the Nordics back on track. With this new leadership team that we have, we're certainly not waiting for the markets to improve. Those health actions on margin and on cost, we're confident will get us to where we need to be. With that, thank you for your attention, and we're happy to go to your questions, which I think Dan is going to chair.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

Yeah. Thank you all. We've got a couple of mics. If you wanna raise a hand and wait for a microphone, and we'll get it round to you. Ben?

Ben Hunt
Equity Research Analyst, Investec

Hi there. Morning, Ben Hunt from Investec. Just a couple of questions. Firstly, on your cash flow guidance, the one area missing, I think, is on working capital, and what should we expect that to be or some sort of picture if the Nordics continues to see sales slowing? The second question is on your second half gross margins in the U.K., and it looks like the exit rate sort of even softened a bit. Yet your peers yesterday reporting actually a stronger performance in the second half. Was it a bit of an underwhelming performance there? What's held you back given everything that you've been doing in terms of the self-help with credit adoption and charging for delivery? you know, could we perhaps see more of a tailwind going forward? I'll hold back there for now.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Bruce, do you want to kick off?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Yep, absolutely. Working capital, you're right, we're not guiding to a movement in working capital. As I think I described two or three times during the presentation, the implications of a slowing business, and we are assuming that both our U.K. and our Nordic business level of sales will drop year on year, would naturally mean a negative impact on working capital cash effect. We will obviously resist that. We will work hard to look at the efficiency of our stock turns, look at the underlying base of stock, debtors, as well as managing our creditors to try to offset that. We're not guiding, but I think trying to get towards flat would be our ambition.

In terms of margin in the second half of the year that's just finished, I mean, I think the slides that we presented showed excellent progress. You're right, the margin progression in the second half was the same as the progression in the first half, roughly 160 basis points, but I would call that a success. In terms of the margin as we look ahead going forward, clearly there's going to be a full year effect of the initiatives that we've described to you, so there'd be some upsides, but unfortunately, there are also some headwinds.

I think in May, I described to you the fact that the network debtor upside, roughly GBP 35 million of that, will be non-repeatable next year, partly as we lose some of the RPI upside that we enjoyed this year, but also as our subscriber base starts to run off from the Carphone days. Alex just mentioned iD. We are growing our iD business, but that's an investment. Actually, because we own the customers, and from an accounting perspective, but also from a cash perspective, it means that upfront we're in essence giving consumers a mobile phone handset. We're taking the cost of that, but we're enjoying then the commission downstream. The final headwind that we're facing into is credit. Again, Alex described it. We're obviously seeing increases in interest rates.

That will have a knock-on implication in terms of our cost of credit, our cost of funds within our consumer finance. We're offsetting it to a large degree by increasing our APR, but probably not quite enough. Continued progression on margin based on the initiatives, but quite a few headwinds as well.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

The only thing I'd add to that, Ben, would be, clearly, you have a choice where you strike the balance. Our top line went backwards by 7% in a market that went backwards by 6%. Some other competitors who might be moving gross margins forward are quite happy to sit on double-digit sales declines year-over-year. We don't like that because we like the benefits of being number one, and we enjoy the benefits, not least with our suppliers, that our scale gives us. As I shared, you know, the half year, we're a bit uncomfortable by how much market share we were losing, that's why we saw the exit rate improve on that. You might call 160 basis points of year-on-year market of gross margin gains underwhelming.

I mean, I'll agree with you that it we're nowhere near full potential. The things that we've been talking about today, whether it's continuing to build on what we've demonstrated we can do, which is sell more margin accretive services online as well as in stores, whether it's refusing to chase unprofitable sales because we don't have to, 'cause we've got better tools to do it. It's continuing the supply chain and service operation operating cost reductions, which we will do. None of the things that we talked about, we plan on let up on, we plan to let up on, and nor do we think we're close to full potential. I said at the outset, we're on the long haul back to an acceptable absolute level of profits in the U.K.. We're certainly not done yet, but, you know, 45% year-on-year growth is pretty encouraging.

Ben Hunt
Equity Research Analyst, Investec

Okay, great. If I may, just one more question on a sort of more rosy note. Some of your friends across the pond are getting quite excited about the replacement cycle going towards the end of this year and into next year. How are you feeling about that, and particularly in context of not chasing these unprofitable customers or those sales, does it impact that replacement cycle? Just any thoughts on that.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

It certainly doesn't impact the replacement cycle, because when we talk about not chasing unprofitable sales, it means not giving away delivery for free, so you lose money on the transaction. It means not spending so much on PPC that it's impossible to make any money, even if the customer buys something online. It means not giving more than you need to away in promotions or discounting or markdowns. Those are the things that we mean by not chasing an unprofitable sale and account for a big chunk of the 7% year-on-year sales decline. That's one thing. I mean, you're right, I mean, Best Buy, Corie Barry and her team have been talking quite excitedly about the product lineup.

We've deliberately not done that because we're being cautious, and I don't, I'd much rather be coming back to you later in the year to explain why we're doing better rather than, you know, the other way around. There are some encouraging signs. In appliances, there's some really good new energy-efficient appliances coming on stream. Some of the big TV manufacturers, the Koreans in particular, are bringing out some pretty exciting new models that build on the existing OLED technology and get pin-sharp pictures, even at extremely large screen sizes. There's new VR potential in gaming. Gaming's already big and growing fast for us and could go a lot further. Then VR could well be the next big trend.

You know, the good thing about us, though, is that we don't have to predict these. We, by virtue of our scale, we're going to be first in the queue whenever suppliers bring something on stream anyway. If there's some, if there's some uptick from the replacement cycle and from the, and from new product introduction, then great.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

Thanks, Ben. We can go to Adam.

Adam Tomlinson
Lead Analyst, Liberum

Thanks. Adam Tomlinson from Liberum. First question, please, just one on data. You mentioned using that to help drive profits and how that can be a big help. Can you just maybe give a little bit more detail on how you're using these pools of data that you're building up across the different parts of the business, perhaps linking those to give a fuller customer proposition? Maybe with reference as well to how that impacts your acquisition costs, customer acquisition costs and any trends you're seeing there. Within the Nordics as well, sounds like, you know, confident of achieving that profit growth year-on-year this year.

Perhaps just a little bit more color on the drivers of that, and to your minds, you know, if there is a big risk around that, you know, what are the key risks as to how that, if that isn't achieved, you know, what are the risks there? Finally, just on iD Mobile, some good growth there, just the drivers of that growth, and then you did touch on it, but just again, your thoughts in terms of how strategically important that the mobile part is to the overall group now.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Right. Three quite meaty questions there, Adam. Let me start with the Nordics. Clearly, it will be helpful if the macroeconomic picture improved, but we're not counting on it. I mean, I mentioned the Nordics market, GfK measured, went backwards by 4% year-on-year last year. We're assuming something similar for the year to come. We're not in, we're not assuming things get any better in the macro. What we're focused on is the self-help actions that don't depend on the market getting better.

All of those initiatives that we talked to on margin and on cost, whether it's the margin accretive accessories and services sales, whether it's not chasing less profitable sales, whether it's taking the supply chain and service operations costs down in the Nordics. None of that depends on anyone other than us. It's just up to us to do it. Likewise, the costs, if anything, are even more certain because it's in our control to make more of group synergies in areas like IT and GNFR and outsourcing, which is what we're doing. I mean, the headcount reductions are absolutely in our control, and we've done it, and we've taken 15% out and of overhead, and we'll get the full year benefit of that this year, and so on.

Can we stand here confident we're gonna do better this year than last on profits in the Nordics? Absolutely. That's not, you know, unfortunately, that's not a particularly high bar. We aim for a substantial improvement year on year in Nordics profits. You know, if the market does come back and you've seen some signs that we showed the data of improving consumer confidence, particularly in Denmark and in Finland, but some signs of life on that front in Norway as well, then, you know, then we'll do better. We're trying to keep our under-promising and over-delivering theme this year and keep to that theme this year. That's what's in our control.

Likewise, on data, we haven't talked very much about it simply because we'd rather tell you when we've done things, rather than, rather than what we're planning on doing. You're right, we do have some very rich sources of customer data in this business, whether it's from the credit accounts, the mobile subscriptions, the services accounts, like the care and repair, or the loyalty schemes. We've got 11 million Perks members in the U.K., and, you know, an astounding proportion of Nordics adults signed up to the customer club in the Nordics, and all of this comes with rich access to data. We've spent money and worked hard with Microsoft, in particular, to bring that data into a usable format.

The one thing that we are talking about today is our confidence that we can use that to better stimulate utilization of the unutilized back book in credit, that GBP 4.9 billion of unutilized credit. That's what we're talking about now. There are obviously many other applications of that data that you can be assured we're working on, but we'll tell you about that when we've done something with it. iD, I think was your third question. Yeah, I mean, as you see, the growth has perked up nicely over the past year, and as I say, we've had a strong start to this new financial year as well on iD, which might cause us some short-term headaches on profit and on cash.

All right, we'll swallow that and explain it because it's undoubtedly a valuable asset that we're building here. What that's been driven by, first of all, it would be impossible had we not negotiated the improved deal with Three that allows us to effectively sell plans at a GBP 200 discount to the principal competition. That's the first thing. We've got a price advantage versus the competition. The second is we're doing the hard yards on improving the customer experience here as elsewhere. In your pack, you'll see, I think, a six-point improvement in iD NPS during the course of the year, and it's part of a mobile category that's back into profitable growth for us as a business as well.

You know, we've got many of the attributes of a successful mobile business here, as you know, whether it's the relationships with the handset manufacturers, the scale of customers that we have coming into our channels, and the capability that we still have in the business. We're quietly quite confident that we're gonna continue this trajectory on iD.

Ben Hunt
Equity Research Analyst, Investec

Thanks.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

Thank you, Mike. You've got the microphone.

Michael Benedict
Associate Director of Equity Research, Berenberg

Morning, all. Yeah, Michael Benedict here from Berenberg. Couple from me, please. Firstly, it looks like the medium-term 3% margin target has been pushed back to the longer term. I wondered what's changed in your thinking there. The second one, obviously, recently announced a strategic review in Greece. Any recent thoughts on that would be great.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Yeah. Well, on the first point, the only thing that's changed is a more prudent assumption about the consumer. That's all. Nothing that's in our control has changed at all, if the consumer recovers faster, then we'll do better sooner. Given the continuing weakness and uncertainty surrounding the consumer in our two core markets, in the U.K. and the Nordics, we just don't think it's prudent to make promises that we're not, we're not confident that we can keep, that aren't entirely in our control. That's the only thing. We've made a more prudent assumption about the market, everything flows from that. That's all. If it's better, we'll do better.

On Greece, no, we don't have anything to update you on, except to say that some of the things we spoke about the Nordics don't really apply to Greece. I mean, we're in a position of strength in Greece, this is a healthy business and a healthy economy with newfound political stability as well. This is an excellent business with a great asset, but it's, in truth, it's got limited synergies with the rest of the group. It looks like a good time to explore our options there. As I say, we're doing this from a position of having done everything that we need to do to strengthen the balance sheet and liquidity elsewhere. We're not a forced seller here.

If we don't get a good price for it, we won't sell it. We'll be perfectly happy to keep it. It seemed like a good time to explore options. There's nothing more to update on the process than that.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

I think you go to Warwick.

Warwick Okines
Research Analyst, BNP Paribas Exane

Morning. Warwick Okines from BNP Paribas Exane. Two questions, please. The first is, you've talked about credit headwinds in the year ahead, like higher APR, for example. Are you actually seeing any change in customer behavior right now, or is this just an anticipation?

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

We're being prudent. We're not seeing it just yet. In fact, we've started the year quite healthily on credit adoption levels. We would expect everything else being equal, a higher APR, and a 500 basis point higher APR to dampen demand, and that's what we're prudently anticipating, yeah. Yeah. I mean, the second factor, even though, as you know, we don't take any credit or fraud risk ourselves, all of that sits with our partner bank, BNPP. Nonetheless, in an environment where an increasing cost of credit, that Bruce referenced, and potentially, some pressure and stress in the book, we haven't seen it yet, but there's the potential for higher bad debt rates, that may cause the bank to reduce its lending appetite. Hasn't happened yet, but we're being prudent and assuming that it will.

Warwick Okines
Research Analyst, BNP Paribas Exane

Thank you. Just on your store portfolio, could you maybe talk about some of the opportunities in the U.K. around rent reduction? I'm assuming you haven't changed your view of the number of stores there, also the Nordics, where you see the store count over time evolving to?

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Yeah, I mean, the honest answer is we don't know, because for the, for the long term, we can't predict what the online share of business is going to be and the knock-on impact that has on the shape of our omni-channel model. What we're doing is we're preserving flexibility. We're still at, you know, five years or less average remaining lease length on the stores. We still keep a very close eye on store profitability. Individual store profitability has to get over a certain hurdle rate, and it has to make sense as part of a network, and where it doesn't, we close stores. We close a few, sort of a handful every year.

We've closed a few more in the Nordics this year for reasons of unprofitability or near unprofitability, and we could get out of it profitably in a way that sort of shores up the performance of the Nordics. Overall, I wouldn't be guiding you to a significantly lower number of stores in the medium term, because at the moment, actually, the channel shift has stabilized, as you've heard. Probably to on the upside of people's expectations, how strongly stores have come back from the pandemic and stayed strong, in fact, ticked up in terms of share of business over the past 12 months. We like, and, you know, and if you ask what I hope, I hope this continues because we like the advantages that having both stores and online together can bring.

In the U.K., back to that 45% year-on-year profit increase, we're showing we can make something profitable as well as preferred by customers out of this model. Bruce, do you have anything to add on stores?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Certainly in the U.K., we continue to make good progress, renegotiating lease terms. Roughly 30 stores a year, we have been renegotiating, and we've been getting circa 25%-30% reductions within terms, so that's been helpful. Just one thing for your models. When you look at our financials, it appears, on the face of it, that rental costs within the U.K., from a cash perspective, has gone up. That isn't the case. There's a timing challenge where in FY 2022, there was only 11 lease payments made, and in FY 2023, we've got 13. Actually, if you take those two out, our costs have gone down.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

Thanks. Go to Nick.

Nick Coulter
Head of European Retail and Equity Research Director, Citi

Thank you. Hi, Nick Coulter from Citi. Just to follow up on Warwick's question, please, on the Nordics. Perhaps one for Bruce first. In terms of the scale of the medium-term savings opportunity that you see in that region, clearly, you've delivered and are delivering quite a transformation in the U.K. Does that sort of end-to-end opportunity exist in the Nordics? In short, is there more to go for in the Nordics?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

We're not calling out an absolute level of saving. As some of Alex's slides showed, we have made good progress already. In the final quarter of last year, we put changes in place that, on a full year, equivalent basis, will generate circa GBP 25 million worth of unlock. There's more to go after, I think the Nordics is starting from quite a different place from the U.K.. When we called out GBP 300 million of cost savings over three years in the U.K., there were clear opportunities across multiple areas to unlock that saving. I would say that generally, the Nordic business is run as a tighter ship, therefore, the scale of those opportunities are smaller. Nevertheless, there's a long shopping list.

All the areas Alex talked about, goods not for resale, IT costs, marketing, stores, central, all of those we are absolutely looking at. I would say the overall quantum is not to the scale it was in the U.K..

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Just one build on that. One thing to bear in mind is that, candidly, we've done very little historically to realize groups, group cost synergies between the U.K. and the Nordics. We talked today on the offshoring and the outsourcing, the IT and the GNFR in particular, as going after some previously untapped opportunities. They're potentially quite substantial.

Nick Coulter
Head of European Retail and Equity Research Director, Citi

Thanks. Maybe if I could just probe a little further. Is the cost to serve in the Nordics broadly equivalent to the U.K., or are there structural differences that kind of inhibit that comparison?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

I mean, from a, from a overhead perspective, I mean, we've never shared this kind of thing before, but I guess if you were looking at things like average salaries within the Nordics, they are higher. There are some aspects like that probably filter through most aspects of the business, whether it's outsourced provisions, supply chain service, or in stores.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Let's look at the full rundown, the P&L, though. I mean, the consumer, everything else being equal, is more affluent in the Nordics than they are anywhere else in Europe, including in the U.K., and certainly not in FY 2023, as we've seen, but in FY 2022, the Nordics was making 3.5% EBIT margins. Even if some people costs and the like are higher, that certainly hasn't inhibited the Nordics profitability historically.

Nick Coulter
Head of European Retail and Equity Research Director, Citi

Great. One follow-up on the Nordics, if I may. Just on the marketplace, how has that performed in what has been a period of turbulence, and how does that shape your thinking going forward?

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Our marketplace- extended stock, you mean?

Nick Coulter
Head of European Retail and Equity Research Director, Citi

Yeah, your extended range in the Nordics.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Yeah. I mean, it's made a contribution. We haven't broken out exactly what, and, we. The short answer is there's been no material change year on year in its proportional contribution.

Nick Coulter
Head of European Retail and Equity Research Director, Citi

Thank you.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

Thank you. Can we go to Richard?

Richard Chamberlain
Head of European Consumer Discretionary, RBC

Morning. Richard Chamberlain, RBC. Yet another one on the Nordics, please. Have you under the new sort of management team, have you made or are you planning to make any sort of significant range changes or SKU reductions in response to the demand environment there? Then, Bruce, in terms of the sort of leverage metrics. You were sort of hinting at, I can't remember your comments about the pension trustees. Have they, are they asking for you, for a sort of accelerated timetable in order to bring the leverage metrics back to target in response to the lower cash contributions? And what sort of CapEx projects are you guys deferring? Is that, are there any particular areas there? Is that also eating into maintenance CapEx, or is it all sort of longer term projects that you're deferring? Thanks.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

On your range question, Richard, and Bruce might wanna say something on the stock and the working capital angle, but the short answer is no, we're not. We haven't made significant reductions to the range. Bruce can talk to the stock. I mean, when it comes to the CapEx, again, Bruce can build, but the short answer is we've taken a very payback-oriented view. The things that pay back in short order are the things that have made the cut, and the things that are strategically essential have made the cut. As you would expect, given what we've just been talking about, the credit, care and repair services and iD have all been substantially protected from any CapEx reductions.

Richard Chamberlain
Head of European Consumer Discretionary, RBC

Okay.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

I guess Ben talked earlier on about what our ambition was for working capital. As reflected, you would expect an adverse movement within our cash impact from working capital as the business continues to get smaller. Our expectation is to work harder on that, and part of that is to work with our merchandise planning teams, with our commercial teams, to constantly challenge them on, in terms of stock lead times, depth of stock within stores, et cetera. That is a constant challenge in both the U.K. and the Nordic business to manage that stock down. Shall I carry on with the... In terms of the pension trustees, Eric, the Chair of the pension trustees, is in the room today.

I have to say that I think we've got an extremely strong working relationship with the trustees. We've spent a lot of time stepping through the situation of the U.K. business today as the group, where it is today in terms of the overall liquidity of the business, the state of the repayment of the deficit and where we are with that. I think both parties have reached a stage where we're now happy with the profile. We've reduced cash contributions roughly by GBP 80 million over the course of the remaining seven years or six years, of which it's front-loaded. GBP 70 of that is coming this year and next year. There are no specific requirements in terms of our liquidity linked to that.

However, as I hinted when I was talking, there is a pension, a dividend matching component. For example, in the current financial year, we've declared no dividend. If we did make a dividend payment, that would result in a further contribution to the scheme. That is also true next year as well with the reduced contributions. There is an assumption in terms of what the underlying level of dividend will be and a matching.

Richard Chamberlain
Head of European Consumer Discretionary, RBC

Got it. Okay, thank you.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

We've received a few questions online from Simon Bowler at Numis. I'll ask these in turn. First of all, what sort of profit or cash headwind is expected in iD Mobile?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Well, we're certainly not going to call that out in terms of a quantum, but certainly as we, as we've worked through the implications of investment, clearly it depends on how fast we grow the business. I would say that there is high single-digit impacts from a P&L perspective, and a bigger impact than that from a cash perspective. It obviously depends on the shape of the iD and how long the growth continues.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

Thank you. The next couple are then, first of all, can you explain the changes that have been made to the adjusting items policy? Can you further explain the GBP 50 million item in other cash flow, and especially, can you tell us how much debt is held in the Nordic entities related to that GBP 50 million?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Goodness me! Right. Sorry, would you give them one at a time?

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

Yeah. First of all, is can you explain the changes to the adjusting items policy?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

What we've done within our adjusting items policy is we've been far stricter in terms of what hurdle you need to jump for an item to become adjusting. Broadly, we've agreed with our audit committee and with our board that to be adjusting item, a item or a collection of items that are similar need to be greater than GBP 10 million. That has meant that items that perhaps would have been adjusting in the past have gone through underlying.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

Okay, the next one then was on the GBP 50 million other in the cash flow. Can you just give a bit more explanation about what it relates to? Related to that, how much debt is held in the Nordic entities?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Yeah. Okay. I guess I'll describe the maths. Clearly, there's been significant movements in particularly the NOK, the SEK, Danish kroner, euro compared to the sterling. What we have to do in order to true up our cash flow and our balance sheet is to look to translate opening balances, then at opening rates. We've then got transactions during the year at average rate and closing cash balance at closing rate, and by doing the maths, you end up with a difference, and that's what the GBP 50 million equates to. I confess, I don't know the number off the top of my head in terms of what the Nordic debt is, but we do. Our revolving credit facility is split, a component of it is U.K.-based, and a component of it is not based. Do you know what the number is?

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

It's roughly half and half.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Okay.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

at any one point in time.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

It isn't quite half and half, but I think that's a good proxy. Thank you.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

The final one from Simon is: How long do you think the business can maintain CapEx at the GBP 80 million level?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

My personal view is that it's probably too low a level. Historically, we've talked about our level of CapEx being around 1.5% of turnover. When our turnover was GBP 10 billion, roughly GBP 150 million. Clearly, down at GBP 80 million, it's significantly less than that. My personal view is that we should be trying to manage the business with a lower level of CapEx than 1.5%. Maybe a sensible proxy that we haven't talked about internally would be to look at cash exceptionals and CapEx together. It would be that kind of scale. It's that kind of shape that we're going for. Probably GBP 80 million is too low in the long term, I. Does it need to go all the way back up to 150? I would question that.

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Let me build on that in a couple of ways. Firstly, I think with answering Richard's question earlier, we're not taking any risk with the business through spending GBP 80 million a year. Perfectly adequate maintenance, for example, is included in that, and all the KLO stuff and InfoSec is amply catered for in that. That's the first point to make. You know, happily, Bruce's, Bruce and my personal views coincide on this one. The answer is probably somewhere between GBP 80 and GBP 150. What we've done this year is we haven't taken any risks on the downside with CapEx, but we have foregone upside, and we've done so knowingly to protect the balance sheet and liquidity against the downside risks, as we've been talking about.

I mean, one example of that in the Nordics, we have a very healthy and thriving SME-facing business, a B2B business, because a business like ours has many of the attributes to serve SMEs very well. We have a much smaller operation in the U.K. At some point, we're gonna want to take the learnings from the Nordics and apply it to get after the large, growing, profitable, and fragmented U.K. B2B market that's accessible and build on our small operation there. We haven't invested behind that currently, even though ideally, we would have liked to have done. We have foregone some upside, as you would expect, but we haven't taken downside risk.

Dan Homan
Director of Investor Relations, Currys

Thank you. That's the end of the online questions. Is there any more questions in the room?

Alex Baldock
CEO, Currys

Well, in that case, I'll just thank you all for your time and just repeat the core message that I think you've heard more than once, is that we make no apology for protecting against possible downside risk in an environment where we've had the hit in the Nordics and where the outlook and the consumer is still in such an uncertain place. If our assumptions turn out to be too prudent, then great. Then we'll be ready to benefit on the upside, and we'll be ready not just to keep the Nordics, get the Nordics back on track, but keep this very encouraging trajectory in the U.K. going. Thank you all.

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