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H1 23/24

Dec 14, 2023

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Currys' interim results. I will now hand over to CEO, Alex Baldock.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Thanks, Jess. Good morning, everybody. We'll be quick. Bruce is gonna take you through the numbers of a solid first half performance, and then I'll say a few words on what's behind those numbers, and then we'll get straight into your questions. Bruce?

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Thank you, Alex. Good morning, everyone. So in a tough economic period and a soft market, we believe our first half results have been robust. Revenue at GBP 4.2 billion is down 7% on a year-on-year basis, -4 on like-for-like. But despite the sales miss, our adjusted EBIT at GBP 31 million is up by 7% year-on-year, and our adjusted EPS has improved by 15%. Our free cash flow in the first half, which is generally an outflow, is an outflow of GBP 10 million, which is GBP 76 million better year-on-year. Our movement in debt, net debt is -32. That's GBP 117 million better. And our total indebtedness at GBP 1,482 million has improved by GBP 135 million year-on-year. So stepping through each market, starting with the UK, revenue in the UK was GBP 2.2 billion.

That's -3% on a like-for-like basis to reflect a soft market. Our online share of business is flat, and our Adjusted EBIT is down by GBP 10 million, from GBP 25 million to GBP 15 million, partly as a result of lower sales, but most noticeably because of a loss of mobile settlement that went into our numbers in half one last year. Operating cash flow is back GBP 5 million at GBP 28 million, and segmental free cash flow after working capital is an outflow of GBP 16 million due to working capital movements. Stepping through the UK EBIT bridge, our gross margin continues to improve in the UK for our third consecutive year.

As you can see, a step forward of 10 basis points, and that's despite the fact that we had GBP 11 million of mobile settlement last year, which is part of the GBP 35 million that we described to you at year end. Excluding that, our margin would have been up by 50 basis points. In terms of where's that coming from, well, it's the same factors we've talked about before: driving service adoption through Care & Repair and credit, continuing to monetize our customer experience by charging for delivery, for example, not chasing less profitable sales, and continued great progress in reducing our supply chain costs. Our operating expense to sales ratio has moved adverse by 50 basis points. However, our total costs are down in absolute terms.

We've made cost savings of GBP 32 million in the period from an operating cost perspective, but those costs aren't enough to match the drop-off in sales. Moving on to the Nordics. Nordic revenue has fallen more steeply, down 6% on a like-for-like basis. We have seen an improvement within on our online share, and that's through some of the improvements our Nordic business have made to the online website. Pleasingly, we've seen a big step forward in our EBIT, notwithstanding the drop-off in sales, increasing from GBP 3 million to GBP 12 million. We've seen operating cash flow improve by GBP 4 million, and very pleasingly, we've seen a healthy step forward in segmental free cash flow, as we've seen an inflow from working capital despite the drop-off in sales.

In terms of our Nordic EBIT bridge, probably the most important development in our first half results is seeing Nordic gross margin recover, up 190 basis points, and pretty much offsetting all of the 200 basis points drop that we saw last year. That's come through a better balance of trading, a more orderly market, and obviously, we don't have the excess stocks that we had in the first half last year. Offsetting the margin recovery is an operating expense to sales ratio adverse movement of 140 basis points. Within the Nordics, our costs are broadly flat in absolute terms, but it's been offset by the fall in sales. That's due to inflationary headwinds that we're seeing and some new store openings, offset by substantial cost savings across the Nordic business.

Finally, in terms of Greece, which we're treating as a continuing operation in our first half results, we've seen revenues step back after a couple of periods with revenue stepping forward aggressively. It was partly impacted by some wildfires during the summer, but also we're anniversarying some rich government incentives during the course of last year. In terms of Adjusted EBIT, a big step forward, up to GBP 4 million in the first half, as we've seen gross margins improve by over 100 basis points. Operating cash flow has stepped forward from GBP 4 million to GBP 7 million, and segmental free cash flow is an outflow of GBP 13 million, impacted by adverse working capital movements. Moving on to cash generation, we've seen some significant improvements as we planned.

Not only is operating cash flow improving as a result of our higher profits, we've also halved the level of CapEx in the first half, down to GBP 28 million, as we talked about tight cost control and lower transformation spend. Our adjusted items at GBP 23 million are down, too. All of our restructuring, or all of our adjusted items relate to restructuring and property items. We've seen a substantial drop-off in cash tax paid. You might remember that in half one last year, there was a substantial amount that related to the preceding year. This year, with lower profit, our cash outflow is GBP 4 million. And cash interest paid has stepped up by GBP 1 million because of higher interest rates. Finally, in terms of working capital, we've worked really hard in this space.

Obviously, with dropping sales and our general positive net days stock, we would expect to see working capital move adverse in the first half and with sales declining. The fact that we're only at -3, I think, reflects a really good performance, and that's after an impact from the growth of our iD business, which is cash negative. After distributions, our closing net debt moves from -GBP 97 million to -GBP 129 million. Our balance sheet remains robust via both strong cash management and a reduction within our pension deficit. I've already described the drop-off within our total indebtedness, and we've seen our pension deficit improve by circa GBP 60 million to below GBP 200 million, helped by an increase in discount rate, but also an improvement within demographic assumptions.

To conclude, in terms of our current year outlook, our full year view is unchanged, with trading since the end of the period being consistent with board expectations, but recognizing we've still got three really important weeks to go. Obviously, we'll be talking about outlook more in January. In terms of our cash guidance, broadly remains the same. Capital expenditure of around GBP 80 million. Net exceptional cash costs on a full year basis of GBP 50 million. We're obviously now contracted with a lower pension contribution of GBP 36, and we expect to finish the year with net debt better than the GBP 97 million that we started the year.

In terms of the Greek disposal, we expect to receive clearance for the disposal within the first quarter of 2024, and following the disposal, we expect to finish the year in a net cash position if that happens during our final quarter four. Let me now hand back to Alex.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Thanks, Bruce. Just to pull out a few highlights. I mean, we said we'd do three things, and the first of them is to get the Nordics back on track, and we're on with that, and we are now on the road to recovery. Now, we don't want to get too excited about a quadrupling of profits of such a low base, but the gross margin improvements behind it, we are pleased with. The 190 basis point improvement that you heard about from Bruce, that's important self-help in a market that's got no better yet, and that's self-help in gross margins from the better adoption rates of margin accretive services in particular, but also accessories in the discipline not to chase less profitable sales and taking some supply chain service operations costs out and other cost reduction, has been successful as well.

And the highlight there I draw out is making more of group synergies in areas like IT and outsourcing and GNFR procurement are big contributors towards that GBP 25 million a year of permanent cost out that we've seen in the Nordics. And it's worth saying that this self-help from the Nordics management team has extended to the longer term drivers of valuable business, like colleague engagement and customer satisfaction, both of which show sharp improvements over the half. We're a long way from healthy Nordics performance. There's a long way back to go, but we are on the way there, and that is pleasing. The second thing we've said we'd do is keep up the encouraging momentum in the UK and Ireland, and in a still tough market, we're doing so.

You've heard that profits steady year-on-year after the mobile one-off and gross margins again, stepping forward, even in the face of that one-off headwind, is pleasing. You know, 280 basis points up year-on-year, and we owe that in particular to growing services, the services that are good for gross margin now, but also for customer lifetime value later. And the highlights there, credit now over 20% of sales, Care & Repair, customer numbers up to over 9 million now, and mobile subscriptions in iD up 24%. All of these, good for margins, good for customer lifetime value. Bruce mentioned some other margin drivers you've heard about before, monetizing the customer experience, not chasing less profitable sales. But there's one that we haven't talked so much about, which is sold with solution selling.

Basically, selling everything the customer needs rather than just the hardware. And we've worked hard on this, and we've been rewarded with a 6-point improvement in customer adoption rates over online and stores. A long way to go there, but plenty more upside to come from selling the customers the complete solution of products, accessories, and services. The UK has seen no letup on costs either, and we're, as you heard, on track towards that GBP 300 million of cost out, and the UK's continued to have more engaged colleagues and more satisfied customers as well. You know, more engaged colleagues, up 3 to 82. Top 5% of global companies, Glint now say that we are, and that's no small contributor to more satisfied customers.

NPS up fully 500 basis points year-on-year, with all of the customer touch points improving. Third, we said we'd keep the balance sheet strong and liquidity strong, and especially important in a turbulent environment, and we are. And as you've heard, if Kotsovolos goes through, to expect to be in a net cash position at the year-end with GBP 500 million of undrawn facilities leaves us well set. And it's that strong balance sheet and liquidity that's one reason why we're overall quite pleased with our progress. These are solid results where we, we are doing what we said we'd do. Nordics is off the bottom and on the road back. The UK and Ireland's solid performance shows our momentum continuing there, with services growing especially well.

That leaves us, we believe, in a Currys that's resilient today and well set to prosper longer term. With that, we'll pause and go to your questions.

Operator

... If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Please ensure your line is unmuted locally, as you'll be advised when to ask your question. So once again, that's star one if you would like to ask a question. The first question comes from the line of Matthew Abraham from Berenberg. Please go ahead.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Morning, Matthew.

Matthew Abraham
Analyst, Berenberg

Well, thanks for taking my question, and congrats on a strong result. So first query is just in reference to the cost savings targets you've got for the full year. Are the announced and implemented measures in H1 sufficient to meet that target? Or is there going to be the need to introduce and implement new initiatives? The second query is in reference to that step forward in the UK and Ireland's gross margin that expanded in H1. Can you just talk to the materiality of these services as part of that gross margin expansion? And, you know, given that that is in, is in growth, as you called out, how material might the year-on-year gross margin expansion be as services continues to grow? Thank you.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Yep, thanks for the questions, Matthew. So in terms of our costs, as we call out in the statement, over the cumulative three years where we set ourself a target of GBP 300 million, as of the half year, we're at GBP 240 million. Our expectation is to get to or get incredibly close to that GBP 300 million, and if we don't quite get there, the delta would be in relation to the full year effect of the initiatives. We continue to add new initiatives all the time, new opportunities. Alex talked about some of them, for example, outsourcing procurement, the work that we're doing across our store network and our supply chain network as well. So, we're making good progress.

In terms of the gross margin improvement, we don't break out the individual components of the bridge that causes that, but services is a very important lever that we pull. Care and repair and the progression that we've made in terms of adoption rates is key. The step forward that we've enjoyed in credit is important. And the charging, for example, for delivery and installation are all key component parts of our service offer and all playing an important part in that step forward.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

The only thing I'd add to that, Matthew, is you want to look forward on gross margins and reasons to believe in continuing improvement, you can find them. I mean, care and repair, we're certainly not calling a ceiling on adoption rates, particularly online, which accounts for over 40% of our sales, as you know, and where adoption rates currently are much lower. But the significant year-on-year improvements show that we're on track to continue to narrow the gap between stores and online adoption levels. We're certainly not calling a ceiling on iD, either, healthy, though it's 24% year-on-year subscriber growth has been. And there's particular upside to come from solutions selling. The sold with solution selling I touched on before. We're very encouraged by how that's going.

We've worked hard, and we've seen particular success in stores on solution selling, and early, early promising results online, which we're going to continue to build on.

Matthew Abraham
Analyst, Berenberg

Okay, great. That's really helpful. Thank you. I'll pass it on.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Richard Chamberlain from RBC. Please go ahead.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Morning, Richard.

Richard Chamberlain
Analyst, RBC

Morning, Alex. Morning, Bruce. A question from me, please, if that's okay. Just a couple quick ones on the Nordics. I just wondered, Alex, if you can just give us an update on sort of net promoter scores there, or how you're thinking about sort of customer service and satisfaction. And it sounds like sort of mirroring the UK, you know, priority insurance or good growth online. How does that sort of penetration rate now compare with in-store and where it was a few years ago? Presumably, it's going up. And then on the pension, Bruce, I just wondered, have you had any sort of conversations with the trustees recently?

I just wonder whether they're sort of sympathetic to the idea of lower contributions now, assuming Greece goes through early next year, and when those lower contributions could eventually start to come through. Thanks.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Thanks, Richard. Let me take the Nordics questions first. I mean, in common with the UK, what we've seen is more engaged colleagues and more satisfied customers in the Nordics. We measure it slightly differently. It's Happy OrN ot, not NPS, but that's up 40 basis points year-on-year, and 210 basis points, year-on-three. So we're confident that the already very high levels of customer satisfaction are continuing to nudge upwards. And colleague engagement, we're particularly pleased with, which is obviously a big driver of customer satisfaction. That's up 5 points, 72-77.

In the year just passed, and you can imagine, the rollercoaster of emotions that our Nordics colleagues have felt over the past 12 months, we're quite satisfied that that shows a leadership team that's not just got the right grip, clarity, and energy in dealing with the issues there, but also is doing it in a pretty engaging way. So we're quite pleased with the colleague engagement and customer satisfaction picture in the Nordics. That bodes well for the future. They're good lead indicators, as you know. You asked about services growth online in the Nordics, and insurance is the one where we've focused on and made the most progress.

There's been some systemic improvements online in the Nordics that have allowed a significant jump in insurance adoption. We don't break it out yet anyway, but we again, we're quietly quite pleased by the way that increased services adoption, including online, has contributed towards this big jump in Nordics gross margin that you've seen.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

... Good morning, Richard. Yeah, so on the pensions point, as you know, that we received great support from the pension trustees when we were looking at ways to protect the balance sheet and improve our liquidity. And we've agreed over the next three years to reduce contributions, GBP 36 million this year, GBP 50 million next year, and GBP 78 million. So quite a substantial reduction from where the contribution sat previously. Obviously, those three years lead us through to the next triennial review, 2025, and as part of the normal process, we will look at the level of deficit at that point, and obviously have a discussion with the trustees about what an appropriate level of contribution will be going forward.

Now, the Greek proceeds, I guess, is a separate point, and as we discussed, when we did the announcement a month or so ago, we're not going to rush. Assuming the transaction goes through to our expectations, it will allow us to put the money on our balance sheet, and we will then bide our time. We'll look at peak trading and make a decision what the most appropriate use of those funds are.

Richard Chamberlain
Analyst, RBC

Thank you.

Operator

The next question, it comes from the line of Adam Tomlinson from Liberum. Please go ahead.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Hi, Adam.

Adam Tomlinson
Analyst, Liberum

Morning. Morning, everyone. Three questions from me, please. The first one, just, just delving into the Nordics a bit more. With that gross margin improvement, obviously a lot of self-help going on there, but can you maybe just talk a little bit about competitor behavior and how much confidence you have that rationality has returned to the market there, and, and ultimately, the confidence you have and the scope that gives you to, to return as the market recovers towards historic levels of profitability? That's the first question on the Nordics. Second question, just on the UK, noting the detail you've given there around, around iD Mobile and, and the subscription base up 24% year-on-year.

Just interested in your thoughts on what's driving that and whether that changes at all your view in terms of the relative value of mobile operations within the group. And then finally, just the third question on stock. A little bit of color, if that's okay, please, on the GBP 200 million stock reduction year-on-year and how you're thinking about stock planning for the year ahead. That's the three questions. Thank you.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Thanks, Adam. I'll take the first two and pass over to Bruce for the third. On Nordics, gross margin and competitor behavior, we're not assuming the market gets any easier on any of the dimensions that we talked about before. I mean, demand is still quite soft and very soft by historical standards. The inflationary pressures are persistent, and the competition remains intense. So the improvement that we've seen in Nordics gross margins and profit have not come from a more benign competitive environment. They've come from self-help. Now, looking forward, what do we expect? I mean, there are two of the big competitors in the Nordics, Kesko, Net On Net, and Komplett, who've publicly said... They're listed companies, and so publicly available information.

They've said that they're going to solve for more profit and cash and less for growth in the future. We'll see. But we're not counting on it, and we intend to continue the self-help actions that are no regrets. And, you know, as and when economic rationality and gravity reasserts itself, which it has to in time, we'll be happy to benefit from that. But we're not sitting here waiting for it. We're gonna continue with the gross margin and the cost self-help that's seen us well so far and get on a better trajectory. You asked about iD. Yeah, we're pleased.

I mean, we're pleased with the whole of the mobile category, which is, as you know, has historically been quite a troubled one for us. We said we'd this would be a significantly smaller but integrated and profitable and cash-generative category for Currys, and we've done all the hard work to make that so. We've got good partnerships with Three and with Vodafone to offer connectivity. iD via Three is growing nicely, and that gives us... Strategically, it gives us guaranteed connectivity. It gives us a nice negotiating leverage with other networks, but it's also a very value additive over the long term.

Yes, as Bruce said, it's you take a bit of a year one hit on profit and cash as you grow iD, but we're happy to do it because it's a valuable asset that we're building. Now, your area of expertise rather than mine, Adam, but people tell us that what the asset that we're building here, with over 1.5 million subscribers, by any market valuation, probably isn't fully reflected within the current market capitalization of the group. You know, that's for others to worry about. What we're concerned with is continuing to profitably grow a really attractive asset here. Good morning, Adam. Yes, so you're right, our stock is down almost GBP 200 million year-over-year.

That's down 11%, and I guess underpinning that, there's two factors. The first was an anticipation that volumes were going to be lower, and as we've seen, that was absolutely the case. But at the same time, we've done it in a careful way to make sure that we've got strong availability on the categories that really matter. And therefore, our focus has been to look at working capital in the same way we have cost and CapEx, which is to really focus on running this business for cash, make more rational decisions, chase and clear aged stock and excess stock in the business. And I have to say, the teams across all of our markets are absolutely doing that.

You said regarding the future, there is much more of that to come, so there are a whole pile of work taking place across the entire group. We're not ready to talk about it yet, because we will talk about it when we've got some clear results to share, but lots and lots of work to continue to improve our working capital position.

Adam Tomlinson
Analyst, Liberum

Great. That's, that's very helpful. Thanks a lot.

Operator

The next question, it comes from the line of Ben Hunt from Investec. Please go ahead.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Hi, Ben.

Ben Hunt
Analyst, Investec

Hi there. I just wanted to sort of focus a bit more on the UK gross margin. You've mentioned many tailwinds there from getting out of unprofitable sales, the Care & Repair services elements, and it seems to be a much more rational market, as we've seen from other players. Is there anything that's been restraining the gross margin improvement there? You know, it's up obviously, but it's not up a huge amount in this period. And I think, you know, one of the things you allude to in the statement is a loss of share in online, and you reference higher paid clicks costs within that. Do you see a way of potentially getting some cost savings through the online channel to make the unit economics more sustainable?

Then I have another question on cost savings after that.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

I'll take the online question, but Bruce can go first on gross margin. Yeah. So, in terms of online gross margin specifically, obviously, we've taken a number of actions over the last six months, in fact, the last 12 months, to improve our margins. The most obvious example of that is charging for delivery. And that has improved the relative profitability of our online and indeed our store business when the customer wants the product delivering to their home. Part of the focus on making more rational choices has been, for example, to reduce or not chase PPC advertising, where it's around products that don't matter, and that's clearly a direct impact on our online business.

We continue through our supply chain and our service business to look to take costs out wherever we can. There's then service adoption, credit adoption, both of them improving within our online channels specifically. So pretty much the full list of things that we talked about, which are improving the UK margin, you can take a read across and say, those are improving our online margins as well. Ben, was your question also about what's holding back total UK gross margins, the headwinds to that?

Ben Hunt
Analyst, Investec

Well, yeah. I mean, you've mentioned all the tailwinds there, but it's sort of not giving you... I mean, it's a modest improvement, I guess, in the gross margins. Has there been any sort of anything holding it back?

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Yeah, I mean, well, there are two factors, and both of them are in the mobile space. So, so one I've already described. We had a GBP 11 million, so of the GBP 35 million year-on-year headwind, caused by mobile revaluation, so RPI, mobile settlements with the networks, et cetera. We, we anticipated GBP 35 million impact or headwind into this year, GBP 11 million of that was in the first half. So that, as I described, is, is why on the face of it, it's a 10 basis points improvement, but actually somewhere between 50 and 60 basis points improvement on an underlying basis. The other factor is iD Mobile.

So as Alex has said, we've dramatically increased our base of iD customers, and as you're probably aware, we own those customers, and therefore, based on the accounting, it means that we take quite a substantial loss in the month that we sell the mobile phone. And it takes us between 16 and 18 months to get that to be break even over the life of the contracts. Now, of course, over 24 months, we do make a profit on all of those iD sales. They're really important to us. And therefore, as that part of the business is growing, that creates a headwind within our gross margin. And I think, and-

Ben Hunt
Analyst, Investec

Sorry, just on that. Sorry, Bruce. What's the attachment on subscribers to how many of them are actually getting a mobile phone on top of their connectivity?

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Yeah, it's roughly half.

Ben Hunt
Analyst, Investec

Okay.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

So, Ben, I think the second part of your question was also sort of touching on UK online market share. Have I got that, did I understand that right?

Ben Hunt
Analyst, Investec

Yes. It's, I mean, given that you are, that seems to be where the market share losses are most high.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Mm-hmm.

Ben Hunt
Analyst, Investec

And you've alluded to the fact that it's the higher cost per clicks that's making it less economical. Are there any ways you can improve the unit economics there?

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Well, it's an interesting question. I'll probably approach the answer in a slightly different way. So I mean, the first thing to say is online, as in-store, we're not solving for market share. We're solving for sustainable cash flows and profits. That's the first thing to say, and that's true online, just as it is in-store. So, you've rightly observed, more than 100% of our market share decline has been online. We've gained share in stores. And, but when you look at the market share online, most of the decline has been the result of deliberate actions.

You, you talk about PPC, and we're much more efficient now on our digital marketing, but there's also the impact of delivery charging, a decision we stand by, and pricing and promotional discipline, which is, again, we would do, given our time again. And then finally, there's a mix effect. Getting... If you look at the market, the market has generally mixed towards lower ticket and smaller box-

... which play against our category, our category mix ourselves. So that's, you know, that's what's going on. Now, even though we're not solving for market share, we don't like losing market share. We enjoy the benefits of being number one, and so what we're working hard, not so much to, on the unit economics, but we're working hard to make the customer experience easier online, to take friction out of the conversion funnel. And all of the good work that we've done on site speed, on checkout, on helping the customers find and buy the right product for them, better recommendations, but also on sold with solutions, which I touched on earlier. They're good for margin, of course, but they're also good for sales.

Our early progress in online at doing a better job of selling the complete solution to customers is quite promising for the future, and we're going to build on it. Again, to be clear, we're not solving for market share, but there are, but there are actions underway that give us some confidence that these trends don't need to be permanent ones.

Ben Hunt
Analyst, Investec

Okay, great.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Nicolas Sherwood from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Nicolas Sherwood
Analyst, Barclays

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I have two. To follow up on the market share erosion in the UK, I mean, do you expect this trend will continue over the coming months? And do you see any potential negative impact on your buying conditions from suppliers at some point? And the second one is about your working cap improvement in H1. I mean, I appreciate visibility is limited, but could you help us a bit on maybe what we could expect for the year end? I mean, is it sensible to forecast a working cap in flow this year, given again, the improvement you achieved in H1? Thank you.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

So I'll take the first part of that, Nicolas. I mean, it's a good question on the impact of UK market share. The short answer is no. We're not seeing, and nor do we expect it to reduce our importance to suppliers. And there's a couple of reasons for that. But first, as I just touched on, the market share loss is in online versus in stores, and our stores are very important reasons for all the obvious brand showcasing reasons for suppliers to give us concrete support. The second is that the market share loss is skewed towards the smaller ticket and smaller box electricals products where we're less strong. And again, that's, those are not our core strength categories.

The core strength categories in Currys, as you know, are laptops, mobile phones, fridge, freezers, washing machines, large screen TVs, and the like, where our position has remained strong. Now, finally, as I mentioned before, we're not solving for market share, but we would be happy to see market share declines if we believe that was the route towards maximizing sustainable free cash flows. But we're attentive to market share as well, partly for the reason that you give. So no, we're not flagging these as permanent trends.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Good morning, Nicolas. Yeah, from a working capital perspective, as I've already reflected, we will continue to make efforts to improve our working capital position. And we expect to continue to make progress in the second half. We're not in a position that we want to guide to that, but predominantly because there are two factors that go the other way. As you know, when volumes fall, there is an impact on our working capital, so that's an outstanding question. And as we've already reflected, there's quite a substantial negative cash impact from iD Mobile. So we expect to continue to make progress. We face into a couple of headwinds, and I guess we will be able to provide you guidance as we get towards year end.

Nicolas Sherwood
Analyst, Barclays

Understood. Thanks.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Thank you.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Warwick Okines from B- BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Morning, Warwick.

Warwick Okines
Analyst, BNP Paribas

Morning, everybody. Morning, guys. Two quick questions. Firstly, I know you've answered a lot of questions about the Nordic gross margin already, but just help us in this for the second half. Is there any real reason why you shouldn't see a similar increase in the second half as you've seen in the first half? I think the sort of base of comparison is quite similar. And then secondly, you've not said much about the products, really. So maybe you could say a bit more about the replacement cycle and innovation cycle you're seeing at the moment.

Bruce Marsh
Group CFO, Currys

Yeah. Good morning, Warwick. So on, on the first question, our, our anticipation is that the progress that we've made on gross margin on an underlying basis will continue. I think the only point to, to be wary of is that some of the self-help that we're seeing helping us in the first half really did start to land in quarter four of last year. So on that basis, you know, perhaps the comparatives are going to be a little bit tougher in terms of the, the improvement, but the activities will remain the same.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

To give you a bit of color on products, Warwick, I mean, some of the things that... As you know, you know, we're going to give a proper trading update in January, so all we'll say overall is that since the end of the half year, we've traded in line with expectations. But you asked about some color. In gaming, we've seen both consoles and triple A console games go well, whether it's PS5 or Xbox Series X or Call of Duty games, as an increasing proportion of the customers' entertainment budget continues to be spent at home. Likewise, it appears that a larger proportion of the customers' hair care budget was spent at home over the Black Friday period, and we saw a good performance in hair care tech to show for that.

Plenty of customers seem to be redirecting coffee spend from the GBP 3.75 latte that you get on the high street to having their own machines at home, and bean-to-cup coffee machines, again, had a good Black Friday period. Surveys show that 60% fewer customers will be eating out this Christmas, and that's been reflected in a still strong air fryer trend. I don't know, Warwick, whether you've got the bigger and better dual zone product, but if you haven't, I suggest you get to Currys immediately after this call 'cause they're selling out fast. And that market's in good shape. Excuse me.

But also, you know, in our more conventional markets, Windows, computing's going well, over-ear headphones going well, and A-rated kitchen appliances are going well as customers, you know, who care about lower total cost of ownership as well as sustainability, see the benefits of spending a bit more upfront. So those are some highlights. I mean, you asked about the replacement cycle, and if you wind back to COViD, we saw a big boost in sales of technology as customers saw technology matter more to them in their lives. We still see technology playing a bigger role in people's lives. That obviously hasn't been reflected in the market staying strong. The market's still down year on year this year.

Longer term, we will see, because there is a larger installed base of product in customers' homes, and Currys, having 80% of UK households as customers, should be well placed to benefit from that. But, you know, clearly the market is not in a strong place right now.

Warwick Okines
Analyst, BNP Paribas

Got it. Thanks very much, Alex.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Thank you.

Operator

Before we move on to the next question, as a reminder, please press star one if you would like to ask a question. The next question comes from the line of Simon Bowler from Numis. Please go ahead.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Morning, Simon.

Simon Bowler
Analyst, Numis

Good morning. Two for myself, if okay. One, obviously assuming the Greek cash comes in at the start of next calendar year at some point, can, and that's just used to kind of improve the strength of the balance sheet. Can you just tell us how we should be thinking about the impact that will have on your net finance charges for fiscal year 25? And then secondly, can you just remind us where you are on kind of employee pay versus the national living wage and... I know it's a sensitive subject, but any thoughts you may have around how you plan to manage that as you come through to that impacting in April?

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Hi. Good morning, Simon. So on your first question, in terms of the impact of the excess cash, at current interest rates, we estimate around GBP 10 million on a full year basis. And on the, you ask about the employee pay, I mean, as we've said before, we are paying our frontline colleagues 37% more than we did five years ago. So we, and that's one of the reasons that we've got the world-class engagement scores that we've got with frontline colleagues. That said, we didn't sign up to the National Living Wage, the Living Wage Foundation, because this is an important part of our costs, and we think it's our job to keep control of those costs.

We'll see what we do in response to the big spike in the minimum wage that the government's just announced. And, but we have the flexibility to respond, and clearly, we'll pay above national minimum wage. But whether or not we go the whole hog towards the national living wage, we will see, and that'll be a balance of controlling our costs with maintaining the colleague engagement and retention that matters a lot to us.

Simon Bowler
Analyst, Numis

Okay, great. Thank you. And then, sorry, one final really geeky one. We don't necessarily have to go into full detail of it now. Can you just kind of touch on the iD Mobile accounting? I just want to fully understand why that's the gross margin headwind. For an attached phone, I presume your cogs effectively is the cost of that phone. And what are you recognizing in terms of revenue on day one? Is that some sort of estimate of future bill spend, or how does that part work on an iD contract?

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Yeah, that's right. So basically, we take an element of the revenue up front to reflect the balance between the cost of the handset and the total cost of provision. So it's not as if we simply take 1/24th of the revenue each month, but there is nevertheless an upfront loss that we make from a P&L perspective. We then recognize the remainder of the revenue over the life of the contract.

Simon Bowler
Analyst, Numis

Okay.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Does that make-

Simon Bowler
Analyst, Numis

Cool. Thank you. Yep, cool.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Thanks, Simon.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Nick Coulter from Citi. Please go ahead.

Nick Coulter
Analyst, Citi

Hi. Good morning. Hi, two very quick questions, please. I'm not sure if the granularity is available, but are you able to share your relative market share performance in the categories that matter to Currys, please? It does sound like you're winning where you choose to play. Now, I guess following on from that, and more generally, how do you see the UK consumer at this point? I guess as Simon touched on it, there seems to be some degree of wage inflation that will necessarily continue to play through. Thank you.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Yeah, Nick, we do, as you may know, we don't break out the market share at that level of detail, but what we can say is, if you look at it through a channel lens, we've gained market share in stores at the same time as we've lost share online. And online, both in the market and for us, is disproportionately weighted towards the smaller box and smaller ticket categories, where we are less strong and which matter less to us economically. So if you wanted to infer from that, that our market share has held up better in our core categories than it has overall, then you'd be right.

Broadening out to your question on the U.K. consumer, it's clearly very hard to read, and you could take two different points of view on it. One, the more prudent point of view, which is the basis of our planning, by the way, is that consumer confidence remains fragile. The housing market is in the doldrums. Disposable income is still under pressure. The only about 50% of the impact of increased interest rates has hit the consumer so far. So we'd be well advised to plan prudently for the year ahead, which is what we've done. You know, the basis of our budgeting and our three-year planning does not assume a recovery in the U.K. consumer or in our market.

So that's a sensible basis for planning. There is a slightly more cheerful point of view that shows that disposable income has risen. The latest Asda tracker is in better shape, that the overall trend, with some bumps in consumer confidence, is up over the past six months. That employment remains high, which is important, and retained savings for this stage of the cycle are pretty strong. So you could, if you wanted to, construct a more encouraging scenario looking forward for the UK consumer. You know, that'd be great. We'll benefit from it as conditions improve, but we're not depending on that. We're focused on the self-help that's seen us get this far.

Nick Coulter
Analyst, Citi

Brilliant. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions in the queue, so I'll now turn the call back over to your host for some closing remarks.

Alex Baldock
Group CEO, Currys

Well, thank you very much. My first closing remark will be to remind this group of high net worth individuals that there's plenty of time left for Christmas shopping. And Currys has some fantastic deals, which themselves have acknowledged to be by far the best deals in the market, beating all of our competitors into a cocked hat on the deals that we've been offering, and we're not done yet. So, for those of you who are a bit late thinking about your loved ones' Christmas presents, I, you know where to go. As for the results, you know, we're not getting carried away.

This is a solid performance, and it's another step towards the Currys that we know is our full potential, but we're doing what we said we'd do. We're getting the Nordics back on track. We're continuing the UK's momentum. The business balance sheet liquidity remains strong, and we intend to build from there. So thank you all, and have a good day and a great Christmas.

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