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AGM 2021

May 13, 2021

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Prudential and Jackson Demerger update for the 2021 Annual General Meeting. My name is [Moderator], and I'll be today's moderator. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. And now I'll hand over to our host, Mike Wells, to begin. So Mike, please go ahead when you're ready.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Thank you, [Analyst]. Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the conference call on our Q1 of 2021 trading update in advance of today's AGM. I'm Mike Wells. I'm Group CEO. I'm joined today by Mark Fitzpatrick, Group CFO and COO, Nic Nicandrou, our CEO of Asia, and Ben Bulmer, Interim CFO of PCA. We're going to cover two key areas today. Firstly, the performance of our continuing operations in Asia and Africa over the first three months of this year. And secondly, an update on the timing of the US demerger.

As you heard at our prelims in March, we have a clear strategy focused on structural growth opportunities in Asia and Africa. We have the scale and diversity of our franchise, the strength of our multi-channel distribution model, and high-quality execution.

Our business model has shown resilience, most recently during the COVID pandemic and with high quality and high level of customer retention. I'd like to pay tribute to our colleagues who've worked so hard in another quarter, again, made more difficult by the current macro environment. So let me walk you through some of the key aspects of our Q1 trading update, which clearly shows a very strong performance in the first three months of 2021. Asia and Africa APE sales were up 14%, and new business profits were up 21% compared to Q1 2020.

Excluding Hong Kong, APE sales are up 35%, and new business profits were up 64% with favorable product and channel mix consistent with our ongoing focus on health and protection. In the Q1 of 2021, our China joint venture was our largest business in terms of APE sales and new business profits.

In Hong Kong, we had lower sales as the ongoing border restrictions continue to limit severely cross-border business from China, and as you'll be aware, a number of countries and markets continue to experience significant COVID-related disruption, for example, in India, Indonesia, Thailand, and the Philippines. Nevertheless, we are pleased that our Asia and Africa businesses have continued to build on the momentum established over the Q3 and Q4 of 2020, with Q1 of 2021 sales 4% above those in the Q4 of 2020.

Our multi-channel model continues to perform well, with all channels delivering growth. APE sales through our bank partners were 18% higher, and we've continued the rapid build-out of our digital capabilities, again, led by Pulse, our health wellness platform. APE sales associated with Pulse represented about 9% of our Q1 2021 APE in the markets where Pulse is available.

And finally, Eastspring's total funds under management were $242 billion at the end of March 2021. Moving on to our capital position. On the current LCSM method, we ended the Q1 with a shareholder cover ratio of 319% after allowing for the 2021 second interim dividend. Excluding the US completely, this ratio would have been higher at 331%. And as you've indicated previously, we are well positioned for the transition to the new group-wide supervision model.

Under that new model, again, largely consistent with that applied under the current regime. Our initial analysis indicates that all debt instruments, senior and subordinated, issued by Prudential will meet the grandfathering conditions set out by HKIA. And if this is confirmed, the group ex-US shareholder LCSM ratio of 331 would increase by around 50 percentage points to 381%. So finally, an update on the US and the timing of the demerger.

Over the Q1 of 2021, Jackson's new business premiums were in line with trends seen in the second half of 2020. Sales of variable annuities were higher than the Q1 of 2020. Sales of fixed index annuities and fixed annuities in the same period remain at historic low levels following early pricing actions. We've received the US insurance regulatory approvals for the demerger, and the regulatory review of the draft Form 10 is ongoing. Jackson will now need to include its Q1 2021 financials in the Form 10.

They're now expecting the demerger to occur in the second half of 2021, subject to shareholder and regulatory approvals. As previously announced, Prudential is considering raising new equity of around $2.5 -3 billion following the completion of the Jackson demerger.

A preferred route is a fully marketed global offering to institutional investors, concurrent with a public offering in Hong Kong to retail investors. We think the strong Q1 performance reflects the strength of our business model and our multi-channel distribution platform, and we see scope for further compounding growth for our shareholders as we continue to execute our strategy with discipline and enhance our performance. Thank you, and let's get to our Q&A, please. We have an AGM shortly, so I've asked that both the questions and on our side the answers be respectful of the number of others who may also have questions. Over to you, operator.

Operator

If you would like to ask any questions, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad now. If you change your mind at any time, please press star two to remove the question. As a reminder, it's star followed by one to ask any questions today. The first question we have comes from John Hocking from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead, John. Your line is open.

Hi there. Morning, everybody. I've just got two questions, please, both on capital. In the release, firstly, you talk about $0.4 billion of operating capital generation in the Q1 on the LCSM basis. That seems to be sort of running a bit below where you were last year. I think you're averaging about $0.5 billion. On that point, is there anything unusual in the Q1 run rate? And what's the Jackson contribution to that $0.4 billion? That's the first question. And the second question, on the GWS framework, you mentioned that the solvency ratio is 50 points higher on that basis. Is that mainly on the available capital side, given the comments you made about the senior debt? Thank you.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Mark, do you want to go ahead and take those?

Sure. John Hocking, good morning. So firstly, in terms of your numbers, the 0.4 that we refer to is ex-Jackson. And there's nothing particularly unusual in the run rate. Really, I suppose it's impacted by market conditions and rates. So there isn't anything particular that we see in there that we feel the need to call out.

Thank you. And then in terms of the GWS component, we said we're expecting that to come through imminently and would expect the only real change that we see in terms of LCSM versus GWS is really the element of the senior debt that we expect to be able to have included. Okay. Thank you, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. We now have the next question from Farooq Hanif of Credit Suisse. So Farooq, please go ahead.

Hi, everybody. Well done on the sales. Just a quick one on Jackson first. So is there anything that you can say that's been a complexity in the approval process that's sort of caused a delay? Or is it just the bureaucratic process over the Form 10? So if you could answer that. And then secondly, what thoughts can you give us on Eastspring and the outflows that we're seeing at the moment? Just kind of what you see as driving that and whether there could be an improvement coming down the line. Thank you.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Okay. So thank you. I'll take the first one, and Nic, I'll give you the piece on Eastspring if we could. So there's obviously very little we can say with the live filing with the regulator. And I don't want to add any adjectives to work, but you see the balance of the regulatory approvals are in place, and we continue to work at pace and closely with the SEC on the Form 10. But unfortunately, given it's live and you've seen the multiple updates to it, there's parts of the workstream that are in our control, and there's parts that are not in our control. And we're fully committed. The board's fully committed.

You've seen the balance of the work around it from a regulatory point of view. And you'll see us continue to focus on the completion of this at pace. But beyond that, there's not much more that I can say. Nick, do you want to comment on Eastspring?

Thank you, Mike. Good morning, Farooq. In Eastspring, third-party flows were slightly negative, about $0.4 billion down in the quarter. And really, what's happening is with the rising rates, value of bond funds going down, we've seen a number of investors' assets allocate out. That negative $0.4 billion was negative $1.3 billion on bonds, about $0.9 billion on equities and alts. That's what we saw. Outside that, I mean, clearly, we had very strong life company flows.

We had a continuation of M&G's divestment program. Net-net, though, taken all together, flows were positive. And the drop from $248 billion at the beginning of the year to $242 billion at the end of the Q1 was mostly markets and FX-related. Flows were net-net positive, taking in the internal monies as well.

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. We now have the next question from Andrew Crean of Autonomous Research. So Andrew, please go ahead when you're ready.

Andrew Crean
Equity Research Analyst, Autonomous Research

Thank you. Good morning. Two questions, if I can. Firstly, can I pursue? I know you don't want to talk about it, but you said that parts are not in your control in terms of the Jackson demerger process. You had to pull the debt issuance because you are still, I think, in legal wrangles with your former CFO and CEO of Jackson. Are there still parts which are not in control, which are subject to further legal definition? And are you clear to do the debt issuance currently? That's the first question.

Second question is, when you talk about confidence that Hong Kong sales will return when the border reopens, do you see sales returning to the old levels, or do you see, in addition to that, a sort of pent-up demand from the period when the border was closed so that you will see for a time very much elevated sales?

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

So Andrew, the settlement with the two individuals is behind us. It's agreed, and the relevant information is in the public domain. And again, you see the capital position update on Jackson. So I don't want to get into where we are specifically with the SEC. But when I say things are out of our control, there are no workstreams that are Jackson-related or group-related that are open. What there is is a process with the SEC that we're responding to, and we'll continue that at pace. But again, I can't get into this. We were never allowed in this to discuss the specifics, and we're confident that we get this to where it needs to get to in terms of completion. So Hong Kong.

Andrew Crean
Equity Research Analyst, Autonomous Research

Something must have happened in the last 14 days because you said you were going to do it in the second quarter 13 days ago.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Yeah. No, Andrew, we had expectations of getting things done and certain timetables, and we had estimates on when we thought certain responses would come. And it's nothing more than that. We're not getting into again, if you think of the outcome of a call like this, if I critique or comment on the regulatory work, then that in itself would create an event. I'm not going to do that. So they're doing their job. We're doing our job.

Andrew Crean
Equity Research Analyst, Autonomous Research

Okay. Thanks.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Nic, do you want to comment on Hong Kong?

Sure. Hi, Andrew. We are confident that the mainland Chinese will come into Hong Kong to buy products. We continue to survey, not only in the Greater Bay Area but beyond. And frankly, all of the product advantages that the Hong Kong sector has and Prudential within that remain. So there's no change there. To your question on what rate, yes, I do expect there to be a pent-up demand. And I think it will come back strongly. But as I've said before, stronger than, if you like, an underlying run rate. But I've said before, the biggest influence is what is the phasing of opening up? Is it just going to be Guangdong?

Is it just going to be the nearby provinces? Is it going to be all of China? And there are an infinite number of combinations in between. Yes, demand is there. It should be fueled by some pent-up. We are convinced of that. But what we don't know is the phasing of opening up. That's going to be the biggest determinant.

Andrew Crean
Equity Research Analyst, Autonomous Research

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question we have from the phone line comes from Scott Russell of Macquarie Capital. So Scott, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Russell Scott
Senior Business Development Manager, Macquarie Bank

Morning, all. Two questions on the Asian sales, if I can. Firstly, on China. Could I inquire about a bit more detail about the trends? It looks as though the margin is over 50% in China for the Q1, which is probably the best Q1. Not that we get the history, but if I look at historical first half, seasonally a lower margin in the first half, it does look quite exceptional. So I'm trying to get a sense for the sustainability of that. It appears the agency channel was being higher margin was a factor, so a favorable channel mix. So I suppose I'd like to hear a little bit more about product mix.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

And particularly in light of the change in product design of critical illness products, which I think took place in about February. It doesn't look like it affected the CITIC-Prudential JV much at all. Second question is about the contrast between Indonesia and Malaysia. Malaysia, new business profit growth very strong. Indonesia, surprisingly weak. Both markets had movement restrictions during at least January and possibly longer. Trying to understand a little more why Indonesia just continues to plumb new lows in terms of new business profit. Thank you. Thanks, Scott. Nic, do you want to address both of those?

Will do, Mike. Hello, Scott. So China, well, in China, business has pretty much returned to normality. And against this much more normal backdrop, our sales demonstrate what we've been saying for a while in terms of the quality and the strength of our joint venture franchise. Now, clearly, the headlines are flattered by a very low comparative. And indeed, the timing of some sales campaigns this year. And we had a campaign earlier in the year on critical illness ahead of the change in the definitions.

So in relation to the trends, perhaps a better way, given how disruptive 1Q20 was, a better way to assess progress is maybe comparing the Q1 of this year with the Q1 of 2019. And there you would see sales up by 38%, clearly both channels up, and new business profits up nearly three times.

So yes, the margin has improved significantly. And behind this improvement, really, there are four reasons. Clearly, some of them are volume-related. Some of them are mix-related. Firstly, there has been a shift, and we've talked about this, towards a higher margin product over the last two years, particularly benefiting this quarter from a successful critical illness campaign. As we were sunsetting the previous product, we had a very strong performance. We've since launched the new product. It was launched earlier this month, and we will go again for the rest of the year with the revised product.

Secondly, we've seen an improvement in agency productivity and economics. Again, a lot of hard yards here rather than a single reason. We've been prioritizing for some time longer-term type savings, health and protection products, and a strategy that's seen margin from that channel improve in the Q1 to 83%, clearly much bigger than in the past. The third reason is the continued expansion of our bank channel with a very strong product discipline here, which again saw margin from that channel go up to 45%, much stronger than last year or the year before. And fourthly, the geographic expansion.

We're in more cities now than we were two years ago, 99 this year, 87 the year before. And every quarter, every year that goes by, we go deeper in our existing cities. So again, compared with 1Q19, we grew share in 18 out of the 20 provinces. So a lot of hard work quarter after quarter to help deliver. And you're quite right.

This is our best Q1 ever, and one where not only are we delivering strong performance relative to our history, but also relative to markets. Sustainability, I mean, it will be mixed dependent as we go forward. It will be channel dependent as we go forward. There's different campaigns. But the structural improvement in that business over the last few years is palpable. On Indonesia and Malaysia, no, the two have not managed the COVID situation in similar ways. Indonesia has been one very long period of every week being worse than the other. And in fact, the peak for Indonesia happened around February.

It then stabilized. And again, we find ourselves in a period now where we're seeing a respike in infections. So Indonesia has been one long continuous spike, if you like, with no leveling off or no return like you've seen in most other markets.

Malaysia hasn't been that. There has been spikes. There was one at the beginning of towards the end of January, but its impact was very short-lived. The Malaysia numbers are strong on the back of a very strong quarter for the market. There is a base effect that you're seeing there. The conventional market was up 30%. The Takaful market was up a little higher than that. Clearly, we benefited from the base effect. But also, from all the additional capabilities that we've built over the last few years, that's given us the outperformance that you see.

And a very strong growth within these numbers of the Takaful business where sales nearly doubled. Indonesia, as I said, is impacted. We continue to launch new products. We continue to push hard the much more affordable, if you like, lower-ticket products.

Sales are down, but remember that the Q1 of last year was largely undisturbed. In Indonesia, we were up 41% 1Q20 over 1Q19. So we're comparing against the highest quarter last year. Our run rate in Q1, despite the disruption, was better than Q2 and Q3 last year. And even though our sales may be down, the number of cases that we're selling is up 70%. So we've broadened the offering. We are selling to the mid-income segment. And the business is structurally in a much, much better place to go and run hard once we get back to normality. And that will be driven by the rate of vaccination in that market.

Around 5% of Indonesia has been vaccinated. I mean, the numbers are big, so it will take a little while before we get to, if you like, a reasonable proportion of the population being vaccinated. They found it's the one market that's found it the hardest to get to grips with this, and that continues. But our business within that is getting better and better.

Russell Scott
Senior Business Development Manager, Macquarie Bank

Thanks, Nic. And I appreciate the detail, the country detail here, the APE sales and new business profit. Is that something that you plan to release quarterly going forward?

It's market. Scott, it's not something that we're committing to because we don't normally do quarterly updates, I think. But just given the other components as well, we thought it would be very helpful just to be able to give a balanced perspective of how the business is doing.

Yeah. Okay. That's great. Thank you.

And also prompts as well that we have a Capital Markets Day you would have seen coming up on the 2nd of June. And we wanted to be able to get some of the numbers out to give us more flexibility to talk more fully about them.

Yeah. Okay. Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Scott. We now have the next question from Greig Paterson from KBW. So please go ahead, Greg. Your line is open.

Greig Paterson
Managing Director, KBW

Morning, gentlemen. Can you hear me?

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

We can, Greg.

Greig Paterson
Managing Director, KBW

Thank you. Just, you've added Africa to the new business profit. I wonder if you can just tell us what the number for AP and new business profit is in Africa, and maybe you can talk about your plans of further expanding maybe to South Africa or something like that. And the second question is on the new GWS regime. You mentioned the 381. I was wondering what sort of level of coverage you will be targeting in the medium to long term for that ratio. Thank you.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

So no plans on South Africa. Why don't we do Mark? You talk about capital, and then Nick talk about the success that the teams are having in Africa. Greig, thanks for the question. The business is doing really well, and the teams are really performing well there.

Greig Paterson
Managing Director, KBW

Also, can we have the African number as well, please?

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Certainly. So, Greg, in terms of the GWS component, expecting that to come out imminently, the aspect of looking at what kind of target range, because it is so new, as I've said before, I think we want to see it settle down. I think we want to see the market, how the market comps look, and how our business runs under the GWS regime. So no plans in the short term to kind of set anything out. And I think often, when we think of our business and we think of the capital levels, it's about our ability to reinvest back into the business.

So you've seen the phenomenal opportunities that we've had in the past, how we've capitalized on those, and that's given rise to some of these great results that the guys have delivered out in Asia and Africa. But I'll let Nic talk about the Africa piece.

Okay. Maybe starting with the numbers. So on AP, Africa contributed 37 to the total this year, up 32%. And on NBP, contributed 9. The prior year wasn't restated for the NBP. For Africa, we didn't have. So that gives you the numbers. Look, on the progress, yes, we continue the work that we started in the eight markets that we're in. We continue to see growth across all channels. We are seeing we're pushing.

We're seeing greater integration as we go forward between the initiatives that we're undertaking in Asia with those in Africa. A key one of that was the launch of Pulse, which is now in five markets in Africa. And on the capital markets there, on the 2nd of June, there'll be a session dedicated on that. And we'll be able to add even more color at that session, Greig.

Greig Paterson
Managing Director, KBW

Thank you. That was great. Cheers.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Thanks, Greig.

Operator

Thank you. We now have the next question from Blair Stewart of Bank of America. So please go ahead, Blair. Your line is open.

Thank you. Good morning, gents. Most of them may not have been answered, but I've got three quick ones. Nick, can you comment a little on the campaign effect in China? There's kind of an element of fire sale, it seems, in Q1 from the old product. Can you just comment a little bit on what impact that had? Secondly, on Jackson, one thing you referenced is the need to put the Q1 figures into the new filings. I'm assuming that that was something you didn't expect to have to do.

And just as a side question on Jackson, is there any outstanding litigation in place, or is that all gone now? And a final question, a very quick one. The timing of the capital raise, is that still planned for after the demerger? Thank you.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Okay. I'll do a couple of those just out of time. Yes, on the timing of the capital raise post-merger. No, there is no outstanding litigation with Jackson. To be a little more robust to Andrew's question, I think what's changed in the last 14 days is there's a requirement in the US on the freshness of the financials. We effectively had until yesterday, and the regulatory process in the US requires a certain age of the financials to be valid for anything related to capital.

Just to remind everybody of the process, if the SEC approved Monday, you'd have to publish the circular. You'd have an FCA approval. You have a 14-day notice period. You have the vote to the shareholders. Then we would have the JFI shares issued in approximately two weeks.

So you can see where this pushes us past the target that we had set out. But Blair, it's a requirement that the financials have a certain aging to them. And unfortunately, that we bumped into that. Adding those back was one of the contingencies that we anticipated, but it wasn't our first choice. But it just happened to where we are timing-wise. Nic, do you want to comment on the campaign in China?

I mean, Mike and Blair. I've said, but that's why I focused on kind of two years on a comparative versus two years ago. Yes, there was an impact. It was only in January, and really point to the underlying structural improvement of that business, whilst recognizing, yes, there is some timing. There is some effect of that, but the underlying business is improving, and we have high hopes for the new product we've just launched.

Thanks, Nic. Thanks, Blair.

Operator

We now have the next question from Ashik Musaddi from JPMorgan. So Ashik, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Yeah. Thank you, and I just have a couple of questions, if I may. First of all, I mean, is it possible to get a bit of sense about where Jackson's RBC ratio has moved? Now, the reason I'm asking is because markets have rallied this year so far. And I remember that there was some VA floating issue with Jackson in the past in terms of RBC. So has that negatively impacted, positively impacted? Any sort of number would be great, but any direction would help as well.

Then second question I would have is on the RBC ratio. I mean, if I look at some of the documents on SEC website, that suggests a target ratio of 500%-525%, whereas you are suggesting a target ratio of north of 450%. Now, north of 450% does mean it could be 500%-525%.

Is there any difference between the two? Any thoughts on that would be helpful. Just one question on Indonesia. I mean, you have changed the product structure and made it a lot low-ticket size because if I look at the premium down 14%, but Nic mentioned, I think, volumes up 70%. I mean, what is the rationale behind it? I mean, any thoughts on that would be very helpful.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Okay. I think in general, with Pulse and some of our capabilities now, product-wise, we're fine going into different size product categories, different price points with clients, different consumer groups than we've historically been at. I'll let Nick give you a little more color on Indonesia. Mark, do you want to talk about capital in the US in general terms?

Sure. So in general terms, from an RBC perspective, when markets are up in terms of S&P and the like, and there are low levels of statutory reserves in excess of kind of cash surrender values, as we've said in the past, then we will incur hedge losses with limited releases of the underlying statutory reserve. And there'll also be, by definition, then limited DTA admissibility. So the overall direction is in those kind of market conditions, you'd expect to see Jackson's TAC coming down as a result of that kind of component.

And you'd expect to see some move in terms of the CAL coming down as well as a result of some of those reserves going down to kind of cash surrender value component. So those kind of mechanics are still flowed through the quarter.

As for the document on the SEC website, under pain of death, I'm not allowed to kind of comment on that document until it's really finalized. So I think once that's done, we'll be able to, and Laura and the team will be able to comment more fully.

Sure. That's very clear. Thank you.

Do you want me to expand on Indonesia, Mike?

Yes, please, Nic.

I mean, I think you covered it. I think the capabilities of the business, be it in the ability to distribute and the ability to manufacture, the ability to make money out of lower case products, has been hugely enhanced over lower case size products over the last two years. I mean, candidly, I mean, remember, Ashik, we're not in the single premium space. So we operate in the regular premium space. Over 90% of what we sell in Indonesia is regular premium. And the traditional investment-linked product had a very significant case size, $800-1,000 a year, US dollars.

Now, given the backdrop and the environment, we wanted to offer people the opportunity that didn't want to make that size commitment, given the backdrop, to be able to buy the protection that they need at a much more affordable case size, to as little as $100 to buy, whether it's medical, hospitalization, term insurance, for example, or even simple critical illness. And it's found favor with the Islamic community. We are the biggest Sharia insurer in the market, 400,000 customers, population 220 million.

They tend to be more the mid-income people. And they are the ones that were the least, if you like, least provided for, least penetrated segment. So that's what's driving. We have the capability to build it, to make good profits from it, and to distribute it to a community, to a segment that is highly underpenetrated. So our Sharia sales were flat.

The NBP from that product line was up 17%, and we sold two and a half times Sharia cases that we did the previous year, so it's a very deliberate move at a time where people are looking for protection through more affordable, simpler products, and that's what we're doing rather than going to the single premium space, which is what a lot of insurers and distributors are doing in Indonesia at the moment.

That's a very good move. So thank you. Thank you for this explanation. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We now have the next question from Stefano Dardi from BTG. So Stefano, please go ahead when you're ready.

Stefano Dardi
Analyst, BTG Pactual

Yeah. Hello. Thank you for taking my question, and thank you for the presentation. Most of my questions have been answered, and I realize you've already given a lot of color around Jackson, but I think it would be helpful to finesse a little bit better the timeframe because now it's gone from imminent to second half, which is a very open-ended concept. Whereas my impression from what you were saying earlier is if it's just a matter of refreshing the financials, then again, we're looking at Q3, potentially the first part of Q3, as opposed to, again, an open-ended timeframe that kind of sets back the equity story a little bit relative to where people were expecting it would be. Thank you.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Stefano, I appreciate that we're not narrowing it down, but there is an element of predicting regulatory models in this that we're trying to stay away from, and we do know the workstreams involved and the turnarounds, typically on financials. If you look at the SEC site, it takes them a couple of weeks to review fresh financials.

That's their guidance if you look at their public information, so again, I don't want to get into forecasting their workstreams at this point in this sort of climate, so I apologize for the open-endedness of it, but I think we should comment on things we can control and obviously work at pace to get everything done and over the line as fast as we possibly can, and I want to make sure everyone understands that is the focus, and I think I've been clear. There's no new issues at Jackson.

You see the capital levels are robust. You see the other regulatory approvals are now in line. So just it is not something that we can say we know when it's going to finish, just given that we respect the regulator's role and what they need to do. Process-wise, it's defined by them. But I do appreciate the open-ended nature of the way we set it. But I think we're being realistic that we know what we can control and we know what we need to just respond to. So that's the intent. It's not intended to imply anything else.

Stefano Dardi
Analyst, BTG Pactual

Yeah. Thank you for the clarification. And just one more point on this. Do you have any high-level thoughts on whether you would expect the distribution to be taxable or not to shareholders in the UK?

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Mark, you're probably better qualified than me to discuss the UK tax code.

Yeah. Stefano, the details for that will be in the circular. And we've got quite a lot of detail in there. So when the circular comes out, that'll run through all the tax implications because it'll differ depending upon the basis of the shareholding.

Stefano Dardi
Analyst, BTG Pactual

Okay. That's great. Thank you very much.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Thank you.

Operator

We now have the final question on the phone lines from Larissa van Deventer of Barclays. So Larissa, please go ahead when you're ready.

Larissa van Deventer
Equities Research Analyst, Barclays

Thank you very much and good morning. Two very quick ones. Just if you have any sense of the timing of the border reopening? You've spoken about the uncertainty of the nature of the rollover. But if you have any sense on timing closer to the ground? And the other one on the bancassurance channels, you've made several additional investments in the last few years. Are those all fully operational? And were they fully operational in the Q1? Or is there a rollout that is going to come through in the remainder of the year?

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Nic, why don't you, if you don't mind, answer those two, and then I'll wrap up, and I appreciate everyone staying right to the time. Thank you.

Okay. Let me start with the second one. Clearly, we extended in Vietnam with Maritime Bank from the beginning of April. So that clearly wasn't fully operational. Remember, we were working with them in the south of the country. But now we can work with them in central and north, not fully operational. The big effort this quarter, or the Q1 of the year, was operationalizing the new relationship with TTB, or TMB, as was called previously, in Thailand.

We were ready in all branches. We trained 5,500 of the bank staff. In the course of the Q1, 96% of the 900-odd branches were activated. So we didn't get a sale in every single one of them. And only around 60% of the sellers made a sale. So there's still room to go there. And of course, everywhere else, we continue to push hard.

On Hong Kong, maybe to give you a little more color in answering your question, the fourth wave came to an end in early Q2. And the recent sort of average local COVID cases are now near or single-digit numbers. Vaccination programs have started end of February. And so far, we have 15% of the population that's been vaccinated at least once and 9% that's been vaccinated twice. No date has been set for reopening.

But we're beginning to see some relaxation of measures. And just to give you two examples, from 29 April, Hong Kong residents that were trapped or stranded in China can return under the Return to Hong Kong Scheme without a 14-day quarantine, subject to a negative PCR test. There are quotas on that. But that's seeing some movement from China into Hong Kong.

From 12th of May, any person arriving from China that are not Hong Kong residents will only have to quarantine for seven days if they've been vaccinated, so people can't travel. They'll have to quarantine, but they need the vaccination. The next review will be the 28 May, and beyond that, the government is talking about a Come to Hong Kong Scheme.

They're talking about a business bubble with China, again, subject to quotas, but that's Hong Kong opening itself up to travel from China. Of course, this is a two-way gate, so to speak, and for now, for anyone returning to China, they have to do two weeks' quarantine, and that hasn't changed. China's position is that they would need to see Hong Kong get to zero cases and stay there for a bit before relaxing the measures that are currently in place, which is, as I said, the two weeks' quarantine. That's where we are.

Larissa van Deventer
Equities Research Analyst, Barclays

Thank you.

Mike Wells
CEO, Prudential

Thanks, Nic. I think we've always anticipated some sort of staged opening. So we continue to look for progress there. Well, thank you, everybody. We're right up to the time we agreed. And I appreciate you attending the call and all your questions. Our hybrid AGM starts at 11:00 AM UK time. So if you're dialing into that, we'll speak again shortly. And if not, we look forward to seeing you on our investor conference on 2 June. And the interims again on 11 August . And the US team will do effectively a virtual roadshow for those of you looking for that post the effectiveness of the SEC registration. That's the way that process works.

So, to close out, I just say I think our Q1 business update demonstrates the further delivery in the Asia and Africa strategy, our focus on execution, and again, the quality of the business. And I'm confident that we remain well positioned to capture the future long-term growth opportunities in Asia and Africa. And you have our commitment. We'll stay focused on every aspect of getting the US demerger across the finish line here. So thank you very much for your time today. And I hope everyone has a good day. Goodbye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's call. Thank you all again for joining. You may now disconnect your line.

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