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Earnings Call: H2 2024

Feb 28, 2025

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

All right, good morning. Welcome to the presentation of Rightmove's results for 2024. I'm joined today by Ruaridh Hook, our CFO, and Ben Winstanley, Director of Investor Relations. I wanted to start off with a few key messages. Our platform and network effects remain very strong. Our data leadership and ability to serve the market is actually strengthening all the time. We upload around 10,000 properties and generate 250 million consumer data signals every day. Our business is delivering on all fronts: strategically, operationally, and financially. With 14% headcount growth in 2024 and now 24%, welcome. AI-enabled product teams today. We have started to really materially increase our pace of innovation and delivery. We're launching some world firsts, and we're definitely launching very U.K.-tailored products.

We'll explain how the end market conditions and the strength of our platform gives us confidence, not just for 2025, but actually for quite a long way into the future. Just before we get into the 2024 results, I know you want to get to it. You've seen it. I wanted to spend a few moments, though, on what we think is our investment case, so starting with that, on the left, Rightmove, exceptionally strong foundations. Been around for 25 years. We've established a really differentiated and leading platform at the heart of the U.K.'s largest, or large, and structurally growing property market. The platform is digital. It's low cost. It's capital-light, driving high returns on capital, while the subscription-based B2B model has a proven ability to deliver in all market conditions, compounding growth.

If you move to the middle of the diagram, this central position benefits from powerful data and profound, really profound network effects. Scale begets scale. In the bullets, we're increasingly using these advantages to drive even more value to our partners. We continually elevate the pretty iconic brand that we have with consumers, and we deliver new products and features to everybody. In the green boxes, we are executing on an expanded growth strategy that we laid out 15 months ago. With increased investment, we're largely focused on data-backed product innovation, and we are delivering that with an experienced and very energized team. So we are moving on from here, entering now our 26th year with confidence, confidence in delivering a larger, more diversified, yet very connected Rightmove platform. This will deliver compelling financial outcomes that you can see on the right of this slide.

So I just want to dig a little bit deeper on one core pillar of our strengths. We generate fantastic reach and loyalty with our consumers. We have exceptionally high brand awareness with the British public in general, and even more, of course, with home movers. We are part of the fabric of the nation. Importantly, the vast majority of our traffic, over 85%, comes direct and organically. So that's habit-formed behavior built over a long time. It manifests itself also in vendor insistence that their agent subscribes to Rightmove in order to win that vendor's mandate. We have put in place a multi-layered and ever-evolving marketing strategy. We're focusing on scale, depth, and also modernizing our brand proposition compared to a few years ago. You can see some of the examples at the bottom of this slide.

That deep brand saliency and engagement that we have results in Rightmove's 80% or over 80% share of consumer time spent across portals, according to Comscore. It's consistently strong, and you know it has been so over many years. It's even higher on our mobile app, which last year drove over 45% of our leads generated. Consumers spend over 7x as much time on our app as the number two in the market, Zoopla. And with over nine million consumers now on our marketing CRM, including emails and app notifications, we're increasingly able to segment and personalize using our scale and, of course, a lot of data and B2C tools to do that. We strengthen our reach for consumers, both at the top of the funnel. For example, we grew our social media engagement last year by 39%.

And further down the funnel, with 24% more views of our expanding home moving content. And it's interesting. People who engage with our content typically spend 86% more time on our site, and they view 5x as many property detail pages. So this consumer engagement has continued to drive outcomes for our partners, as you can see top right. Across all the portals, we delivered over seven out of every 10 vendor instructions and over eight out of every 10 tenants for lettings properties.

We think that's entirely natural if you consider what our data and platform can do. For example, Opportunity Manager, which is a product within our estate agent Opti Edge package, has an algorithm which is, in 2024, indicated 350,000 properties which could be coming to market, but before they were actually listed. That's more than GBP 1 billion potential commission pool for agents from that product alone.

And as well as high-performing products, we offer numerous inclusive services that we call Building Success Together. We talked about this last year when we launched it. And that program is one component contributing to 90% partner retention for 2024, which is the second highest in a decade. So the combination of highly performant products, value-add services that has been consistently monetized over time through a well-honed and evolving package structure. And as you also know, we keep coming up with new packages every so often. Just to remind you, 2024, from a property market perspective, was average. It was off the back of 2023, which was the worst year for housing transactions in a decade. But our teams were able to roll out Optimiser Edge, the new top-end package, with such success that it was actually the fastest-growing top package ever for the company.

I'll explain later how an agent on our essential package, the lowest package, can expect an 8x ROI better by upgrading to Optimiser Edge all the way to the top. Then, of course, using the full suite of the various products and the data products sitting in that one. Now, summarizing these in financial terms, 2024 was a very solid year. Revenue growth of 7%, supported by ARPA and membership increases in the core business, as well as growing contribution from our strategic growth areas. This in a market still subject to higher-for-longer rates, which affected several of our segments, actually. Underlying operating profit margin of 70%, again, reflected our strong business in executing the communicated investment that we're doing to expand the platform and diversify our revenue streams. Underlying EPS growing by 4%, DPS by 5%. And in line with our long-standing policy.

All surplus cash was returned to shareholders. And finally, back to one of the real strengths, time on site, 16.4 billion minutes last year. It was the second highest on record, only beaten by the COVID burst and flurry in 2021. So great performance by our team. And another proof point of the resiliency of our platform, the products, and the relationships we have with partners, and in actually somewhat subdued still end market conditions. So as we start 2025 and look ahead, we see building sentiment of positivity across a number of indicators. As a main driver of all subsegments, mortgage rates remain high in historical context. Today, the average five-year fixed rate is 4.7 versus just about above five compared to a year ago. And this is per Rightmove's weekly tracker, which is summarized at the top left.

Now, the trajectory is clearly downwards, which, even though it has some uncertainty in terms of time scales and exactly when, that's, of course, supportive for all actors in the property market. It's probably by far the single most important factor out there for confidence. As a result, within resale, demand has been healthy and growing over the course of 2024. Top right, if we compare to, which we've done in the past as well, to the last normal year of 2019, sales agreed have been up double digits since October, while completions are now approaching those 2019 levels. And that's, of course, a positive for agent commissions and therefore also their business ambitions. Now, the long six- to seven-month average from first listing to completion of a transaction, and therefore that delay in commission, it really is a systemic issue.

And you know that we are very keen to work on that problem over time. But we hope it will also decline a little bit as the market adjusts to the higher activity levels that it's seen. Within rentals, bottom left, increased supply and reduced demand, a little bit of a change of the picture here compared to several previous years. So that imbalance is improving, at least from those extreme levels that we had before. The number of acquirers per available property at 14 in January. It's still, though, roughly double what it was pre-COVID. So we think we're well positioned with both our listings advertising platform and our Lead-to-Keys product suite. In the rental space, we can serve all variations of the market, helping agents generate more leads, as well as improve lead qualification and indeed, increasingly also their operational efficiency.

In new homes, bottom right, you can see the decline in developments coming to market to a trough in about mid-2024 and then actually beginning a recovery, albeit a pretty slow one since August. But developments today are absolutely going up in numbers, yet they're below the 2023 levels. So there you go. That's some property market context for 2024 and start of 2025. Now, over to Ruaridh for some more detail on the financial results and outlook.

Ruaridh Hook
CFO, Rightmove

Thank you, Johan. Good morning, everyone. I'm delighted to present our financial results for 2024. Overall, revenue has increased by 7% on December 2023, with growth across all areas of the business. Starting with agency row three in the table, revenues increased by 7% to GBP 280 million.

Looking at the chart on the right-hand side, the light blue bars show how this was largely ARPA-led, with a GBP 1.5 million contribution from increased agency membership numbers. Next on the table, we have new homes where revenue rose 4% to GBP 69.2 million. Johan mentioned the headwinds in the new homes end market. You can see in the dark green on the chart how the decrease in developments impacted revenue by GBP 2.9 million, more than offset by strong ARPA growth as developers continued to turn to our products for their marketing needs.

Moving to the bottom of the table, we saw strong revenue growth in our three strategic growth areas, which increased by 27% to GBP 23.4 million. Among a subdued market backdrop, commercial revenues increased by 11% to GBP 13.5 million. The revenue growth came from a 17% increase in customer numbers to over 1,000 at year-end.

Mortgage revenue was up over 100% to GBP 4.7 million. The majority of revenue remains from our mortgage in principle proposition. We significantly increased leads and started to monetize broker introductions. Rental Services, made up of our Lead-to-Keys product, referencing and ancillary services, saw revenues up 31%, with strong growth across all parts of the business unit. Referencing and ancillary revenues were up 12%, and we saw over 500 Lead-to-Keys sign-ups in the year, beating our target, and for completeness, the non-SGA parts of other revenues, being data services, overseas, and third-party advertising, grew 5% year-on-year. Focusing on agency and new homes, overall ARPA increased by GBP 93 to 1,524. Due to a higher proportion of lower ARPA Lettings-only branches, we saw dilution of 1% to total ARPA. Of course, we are happy with new members and increased revenues.

Once again, discretionary spend on product remained the largest driver of growth, 57%, as you can see in the yellow section of the first bar. Agency, the middle bar on the slide, added GBP 84 of ARPA, up 6% on 2023 to 1,440. You can see from the teal segment that 40% of agency ARPA growth came from contract renewal discussions, which all proceeded as expected. We see no change to our long-standing approach in 2025. Johan will explain how we continue to provide great value to our partners through continually evolving products. The majority of agency ARPA growth, the 60% in yellow, came from product, which we can split into two categories. Firstly, upgrades to the Optimiser Edge package, the quickest growth ever of a top-tier package. This alone contributed around 30% of agency ARPA growth in the year, and we will see some full-year impact in 2025.

The reason why it has been so successful is its access to our varied and extensive product suite, which, as Johan will explain later, has such demonstrable ROI. It also provides access to exclusive products, one of which, Native Search Adverts, is a key driver of the upgrades, with 70% of members choosing to add that product to their marketing mix. And the second component within product, also around 30% contribution to agency ARPA, was upgrades to other packages and partners choosing to purchase incremental product within their package. Moving to the right-hand side, new homes ARPA has grown by GBP 162, 9% to 1,987. The teal segment shows that 44% of ARPA growth came from contract renewals.

Of the 56% contribution from product in yellow, roughly 40% was contributed by upgrades to the top-tier Advanced package and the new Access package, with the remainder being developers purchasing incremental products within their current package. In H2, we saw record growth of £27, which was the result of strong growth across both agency and new homes. We saw the changing market dynamic impact agents and developers differently. Agents have been buoyed by the green shoots in the property market, whilst new builds have seen increased competition versus resale properties. Both sets of partners turned to Rightmove for their marketing needs, with increased upgrades and incremental product uptake, which sets us up well for 2025. Agency membership at the year-end was 16,124, an increase of 285, or 1% on December 2023. This increase was mainly driven from increased lettings-only branches, both from new partners and existing partners expanding.

Agency retention was the second highest in a decade at 90%. Within new homes, we saw a year-on-year decline of 23 developments to 2,923 at December 2024. The number of developers advertising on site remained the same, but with fewer developments being advertised, as the pace of new developments coming to market remained low compared to previous years. If you look at the chart on the bottom right, you can see two things. First, the H1 decline in development numbers recovered slightly in H2, as we saw an increase of 55 developments compared to a decline of 78 in H1. Secondly, we saw growth in lower ARPA housing association developments in both halves, the teal segments. That partly offset the decline of new build developments in H1 in yellow.

This was partly driven from the success of the Access package that we launched at the start of the year as a basic entry-level package for lower-spending housing associations. Underlying operating costs increased GBP 16 million year-on-year. The majority was people costs, which increased by GBP 10.5 million, with headcount increasing year-on-year by 14%. Of these new roles, around 60% were technology roles. In the year, there was GBP 8 million of internal labor capitalization, which we expect to be broadly similar in 2025.

This increase is reflective of the investment stage of product development associated mainly with the strategic growth areas. Across other costs, we saw an increase of 13% in marketing spend as we continued to invest sensibly across channels and alongside an increase in marketing for the SGAs. Technology costs rose GBP 2 million, including increased spend on cloud hosting as we continue to migrate over from our data centers.

Margin was 70%, in line with our previous guidance. We remain highly cash-generative, with a cash conversion ratio of 108% of operating profit compared to 104% in 2023, largely driven by improved working capital. As we continue to grow the strong cash generation of our business, this leaves us well placed to return surplus cash to shareholders. This year, a total of GBP 182 million was returned to shareholders, GBP 107 million via share buybacks, and GBP 74 million via dividends. Cash tax was GBP 65.7 million, higher than in 2023, reflecting increased profitability and a full-year impact of the U.K. corporation tax rate at 25%. There were one-off transaction adjustments of GBP 9.2 million. The cost is broken down into GBP 3 million relating to the investment in Coadjute and GBP 6.2 million of fees relating to the unsolicited offer for Rightmove in September and the acquisition of HomeViews.

Our approach to capital allocation remains consistent with our long-standing policy. We will continue to prioritize investment in the business. We will continue to evaluate value accretive M&A opportunities, after which we will continue to return all excess cash to shareholders via progressive dividend and buyback thereafter. In terms of financial guidance, we're increasing revenue growth guidance next year to between 8% and 10%, reflecting the accelerating delivery of the business. We expect customer numbers to grow around 1%. We lifted expected ARPA growth to £95-£105, which includes a similar impact from lower ARPA branch joiners in 2025. However, revenue growth is our main focus, so as in 2024, the mix of ARPA and customer numbers may flex if we are more successful at winning lower ARPA customers.

At an overall level for the SGAs, we expect absolute growth to be slightly higher than the £5.1 million we saw this year. And we continue to target an underlying margin of 70%. This includes the absorption of £1-£2 million from the national insurance levy and reflects our philosophy of growing the business with margin as an output, albeit an important one. That concludes the financials. I'll now hand you back to Johan.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

All right. Well, as you know, a bit more than a year ago, we set out the new strategy and plans to grow Rightmove.

You may recall this diagram, which sets out how we view the property market from our perspective and how we intend to broaden our reach over time across residential, commercial, and data, but also how we want to deepen into the home moving transaction through what we call the find, afford, transact, move, and lifecycle steps, FATML. We're in a great position to invest and stepwise expand our role in the ecosystem. We have reach, we have connectivity, we can both deliver value to other participants in the market and, of course, generate Rightmove revenue and profit. So an update on our outlined current strategic growth areas, the SGAs, which are the numbers two, three, and four in this graphic. First, a reminder that 2024 revenues from the SGAs are around 5% of the total group revenues, but they are, as intended, growing decidedly faster than the core business.

You can see in the first row of the table, we believe that we have a right to play and lead in each of these areas. They have attractive TAMs, and we're in a good starting position, and we are growing each of these sub-markets. We started to elevate the visibility with, for example, roughly 300,000 marketing interactions in commercial. For mortgage keywords, we saw a 38% increase for Rightmove in top three search engine positions related to mortgage keywords. Revenue-wise, second row of the table, Rental Services was in line with our expectations. Mortgages were ahead, and commercial slightly behind, impacted somewhat by software and market segments. Now, operationally, all three areas hit their milestones on or ahead of targets. As a first step, we relaunched commercial.

We had a great partner take-up of Lead-to-Keys for the rental market and a strengthening consumer proposition in many different ways within mortgages. You can see some current UIs on this page, if you squint a bit, maybe. For 2025, the headline for the SGAs is quite simple: Continue executing, build on the momentum. We have great confidence. For commercial specifically, we'll reboot the user search experience by the end of the year, including having more relevant data and new search and property detail pages. We continue to build marketing and sales, of course, looking to add customers, listings, and driving higher lead generation per property. In Rental Services, we'll continue to focus on sales of the Lead-to-Keys suite to partners and developing the product further.

We indeed, last year, actually, of the roughly 500 new accounts, a third of those were completely new accounts to the Rightmove platform, so they were not advertising before. That's, of course, a very healthy additional benefit to the core business. Consumers will be able to see and handle all steps and services on our site within Lead-to-Keys under the My Rightmove page. To them, we'll also offer utilities as a new ancillary service, driving further monetization opportunity. Partners will be able to run Lead-to-Keys modules directly now from the Rightmove Plus site and not in separate software environments. The digital moving journey assistant is coming to life here. It's powered by our upper funnel reach with consumers that we can lead into it.

Our enhanced leads, where users sign in and share additional data upfront to qualify better as tenants, increased by over 4x in 2024, and in mortgages, we continue to optimize the MIP application, and we deepen connections to our lender partner and more broker partners. We're looking to enable consumers to also add a property interest to their mortgage in principle, meaning they can take our solution, or we can take our solution beyond the general affordability decisioning that we have today. That will build even higher lead quality for our partners and give consumers both higher confidence and increased visibility of mortgage payment levels, regardless really of where you are in the process at the time of applying, so in summary, we're happy, strong progress to date on the SGAs. We are, in fact, though, here breaking some new ground.

We are learning as we go, and we obviously get really, really good excitement when we see how we progress and discover along that route. So finally, a reminder, SGAs, all of them, they also reinforce our core platform and business in different ways. Back to the connected platform. They strengthen utility, frequency, and they accelerate, of course, the overall data sets. So on that topic, a little glance at data without any numbers actually on it, other than indications. But this really, really is a power, power play for Rightmove and builds so much opportunity, not only now as we do the business, but certainly if you look at the opportunities going forward. So we've been generating data and insights, obviously, since the beginning, 2000, from the largest platform and the largest account management team in the field, also feeding data back.

So today, we have around three petabytes of data on the platform. Every day that advantage increases. We receive unique and first-party data signals from consumers and partners on property listings, content, and all the different products. Now, the diagram is simplified, but it's a pretty powerful representation. So you see the bubbles representing billions, millions, or thousands of these relevant data points that we collect during the course of just one year. So you may recall I mentioned in the very beginning that we gather about 250 million different consumer data signals, and we upload around 10,000 property listings every day. Trump and BP might say, "Drill, baby, drill," but as a matter of fact, data is the new oil, although it's not a new expression. But that is really what we have here, and it's very valuable.

The large data sets inform us better than anyone else on products or features to build, and of course, we're fully dedicated to the UK market. We can also either scale or fail experimentation increasingly fast with all this data. It drives development velocity. It drives quality on the platform. You'll see some of that on the next slide, so starting in the table just below the chart, today we have over twice as many tech people as we had in 2020, so we're progressing well to more modern architecture, with cloud transition now being well over halfway. That gives us even stronger product momentum. On the consumer side, we are progressing beyond Find in that strategic model and further into the transaction. In 2025, we expect to launch new consumer features actually across all five of the FATML lanes.

Those are the shades of turquoise you can see on the chart. We also drive a clear acceleration in products for partners, yellow and pink on the chart. For new homes, we have already in this year, 2025, soft-launched an early version of the new product. It's an appointment booking feature. We're working very closely for a while with two of our largest house builder partners. For estate agents, we're pathfinding also for new product, as well as, of course, enhancing many of the existing ones. We're continuing to upgrade Rightmove Plus, which is included in all partner subscriptions and which is making it easier for partners to self-serve digitally on our platform for things like user access, insights, campaign creations, and so forth. It's efficiency wins for them, and it's efficiency wins for us.

Now, just a bit of a product case study in the afford domain, so for the consumer. This exemplifies how we build with quality and actual pipeline thinking. We touched on this in half year last year briefly, the last slides here. But now we actually start seeing real results from building out the afford lane of the strategic model pretty quickly. We started with the MIP proposition, or MIP4, and we've rapidly added several related features: online valuation, tracker property, renovation calculator, content pages on mortgages, and most recently, an expansion into remortgage MIPs. Many of these are actually quite unique tools and/or they're built on the best and biggest data, and they're specific for the UK. So we give consumers reasons to visit more frequently, use new products, frankly, love Rightmove even more. That drives both stickiness, and it drives more monetization opportunities.

The other aspect is that we can grow new concepts faster and larger than competition due to our scale. In yellow bubbles here, last year, we generated over 1 million mortgage clicks, 5x growth in number tracked properties, and in only five months, we got 60,000 renovations done in our renovation calculator by consumers. For MIPS, we, of course, generate revenue today, growing very healthily, but collectively across these products in the afford domain, still early stage, but we generated a total of 7 million completely new data points that we never had before, thanks to the different products that we just developed literally in the last 18 months. And all of them again, the first-party data points, it's unique. So we have some, but certainly not all yet ideas of both the direct and indirect value of what this will bring. So what else can data be good for?

Yes, AI continues to be a hot topic. On the left of this slide, just showing a little bit how we look at data and AI, we call it the house of values. So from bottom up, it's the important orchestration and infrastructure layers for great data, and they are important. But as mentioned, we are well over halfway to migrating to cloud and to our unified data platform, and we're starting to see accelerations from that in many places. Now, in the yellow boxes up top, we classify data and AI opportunities into four clear value drivers. What we want to see from literally all data and AI efforts we undertake. There's not a cost center. It's supposed to drive benefits for the company. As one example of efficiency, all 24 product teams now enabled with GitHub Copilot and being assisted in their coding.

We're increasing posture, deployment, experimentation, and excitement over AI. On the right, you can see examples of activities that we have ongoing and how they all tie back to one of the four value drivers. We're seeing and seeking results, and certainly learnings, across all facets of the business when it comes to AI, and it's led by our Chief Data Officer who joined us just in the fall. It's a truly exciting enabling technology to a lot of what we do, developing really quickly. But I'll also say that sifting the hype from real and high-quality deployments is an ongoing process, and I think for many. I'll give you a few examples of just live AI consumer experience that we have going at the moment. First, AI keywords. We're testing this in our Android app.

We're moving beyond lists of static filters to users instead prompting for keywords relevant to that specific user or how they choose to express themselves. You can see just a screenshot example here. It's a prompt of outdoor space. That has resulted in the suggestions of land, balcony, et cetera, et cetera, which catches and also optimizes the properties that are returned back for it. It can lead to more listings views, relevant results, time on site, ultimately, of course, driving leads. It also creates feedback loops to content creation, what we want to have on the content for the listings. AI keywords, yes, it is truly useful in itself, but more so, we see it as a stepping stone towards conversational UI alternatives that we expect to come in the future. Next, AI location content.

That was actually built in literally just a couple of weeks in Q4, and we're trialing it in 20 towns across the U.K., testing actually also different LLM engines. And while the average U.K. home mover only moved about six miles in 2024 on average, now we can, with this easy experiment, get a very efficient read on what value users might attribute to getting location information by a listing. So no need to commission a load of expensive location write-ups and lots of people to get that information anymore. Finally, the Mortgage in Principle propensity model. So calls to action or CTAs key to generate MIP submissions. Our propensity model sifts through over 150 behavioral signals of millions of consumers, identifies high propensity cohorts among them that we can then expose to CTAs at the right time and the right place.

And of course, that's directly driving revenue for the MIP business. So AI is truly exciting. It does hold a lot of promise. We are leaning in, and we have a strong and growing roster of differentiated products already. And again, massive data sets to leverage, and that's what you need for AI. Now though, I want to return to our core estate agency business and outline a little bit of what the products for that segment does and why we still think there is absolutely a long, long runway of revenue growth. For 25 years, we built products for the U.K. market. We know what our partners want and what they need. We now have a marketing suite of around 30 products, all also further enhanced from time to time. These products serve the full range of agents' needs.

On property marketing, top left, our standard listing is our best-selling product. The ability to market a property to the UK's largest and most engaged set of homeowners. Premium Listing, a longer-term Feature Property, increases exposure further, while a Feature Property is typically more tactically used around events like a new listing, price reductions, et cetera. And of course, it increases views substantially. Our branding products in the middle, including Sold By Me, Native Search Ads, and Microsites. We can show agents now their share of voice on the X-axis, really mathematically how it correlates with the number of new listings that that agent generates on the Y-axis. So in other words, Rightmove branding drives business results for agents, and we can show and really talk about the ROI.

On direct response, top right, number of valuation products leads, sorry, the number of valuation products, where are we again, top right, which we deliver to agents. Sorry, I was numbers in here, continues to grow irrespective of marketing dynamics. You can see that in the chart. It's just demonstrating the value of our regular enhancements of products. Turning to the bottom of the slide, there's a number of services that we provide to all of our agent partners as part of a core membership, and it's quite distinct part of Rightmove's offering. Agents have direct engagement with our data in Rightmove Plus, and we share a lot of data within that. Rightmove Plus uses the whole of market view to deliver comprehensive, personalized data to partners that they simply cannot get anywhere else.

Of course, that data is complemented with intel and context from our account management in the field. They had over 50,000 meetings last year within the estate agency team. Combined with Rightmove Plus, our partnership model really is led by data and living through relationships. Two examples on the bottom left of the slide. The competitor dashboard shows how a particular branch is performing relative to its peers on metrics like instruction, stock, property, views, and so forth, always of a lot of interest to any agent. How are they faring in the market? Property reports, they're digital, flexible, and with the premium price guide, which is part of the Optimiser Edge package, it also gives both agents and Rightmove live data signals and indicators of how homeowners are interacting with the materials and when.

Now, when we aggregate these products and services into the higher tier packages, results and ROI are boosted for that agent. Remember, Optimiser Edge also contains exclusive products, which drives upgrades. For example, Native Search Ads that Ruaridh mentioned, already early on used by 70% of our OptiEdge partners. An OptiEdge package generates 12 x the brand views, 12 x the valuation leads, and at the end, double the number of instructions relative to an essential package. Those additional instructions generated imply roughly an 8x return on investment for an agent who chooses to do that upgrade from essential to OptiEdge. So while we offer, of course, full choice in terms of package levels, these are very compelling reasons to be using more of the Rightmove products and to adopt even more digital modes of working from an agency perspective.

Now, we're also confident of a long runway in our core business, given property market factors, which I think are important to remember, and why? Well, because the average agency branch has access to already an attractive and steadily growing TAM. We estimate that the average Rightmove branch had access to a residential transaction value of GBP 40 million in 2024, which is GBP 10 million more in 2015. Looking forward, if you hold transaction volumes constant and use consensus house price and rental projections, that implies a further increase of GBP 6 million by 2028, and if you use other long-term average for price growth and still no growth in transaction volumes all the way to 2034, that implies over GBP 50 million per branch, i.e., in 10 years' time.

So in summary, big revenue opportunity for our agent partners to capture all the way through next decade and, of course, beyond that too. We will, meanwhile, continue to deliver even better products and packages to support the agents, and we will grow our revenue along with it. So that was a bit on the estate agency, why it's big, why we think it will continue to be big. But let's zoom out from that for a second and back to this sort of full potential of digitizing truly, truly much more of the property market. Our business will become more diversified over time, but it will be connected through one platform, and we will be tapping large and growing segments over the coming years. We showed a near-term addressable revenue opportunity at the CMD event.

This chart shows a total potential opportunity in aggregate totaling well over £10 billion per year. Today, we're capturing less than 3% of this opportunity. This is data in 2024 terms. If you add in long-term house price growth, supported further by structural shortage, plus all the opportunities to move deeper into transaction in so many ways, we're confident that Rightmove will deliver well above GDP growth for five, eight, ten, and beyond years. In conclusion, our platform is a market leader, massively strong in network effects, profound network effects, and they are becoming stronger every single day. We've increased the momentum now on innovation, on digitization. We're enabling our plans to increase and diversify revenue over time and, of course, also to drive absolute profit growth.

So we still call it early days, but we have good confidence for delivering in 2025, and it's also early days from a multi-year perspective. We're equally confident about that. Thank you very much. And I think we will go over to Q&A. And to be sure you don't forget the model, you have a picture on this slide as well. I think I have some instructions here. Can you please use the microphones in front of you? I think they're in the seat armrests. You press and hold the button to speak. I think we can hear you anyways, but can we please also just limit ourselves to two questions, at least initially?

Jessica Pok
Analyst, Peel Hunt

Hello? Hi, Jessica Pok, Peel Hunt, two questions. The first one is, if you look at the new homes, the top package, you've got about 60% of developers now on the top package.

So as we move into 2025, how do we think about product uptake and package upgrades, and when can we start thinking about when you'll add a new tier of packaging in new homes? The second is on the investment in 2025. Last year, a bit in marketing, headcount went up by double digits. This year, where can we see the investment going in? Should we be thinking about the similar kind of trends, or were there a bit more in marketing and a bit less in headcount? How should we think about that?

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

I'll take the first one. You take the second one. So on the new homes package levels being at 60%, so there are a couple of things I think to say for 2025 and a bit of a reminder. We like a very high penetration of the top-end package for new homes.

There's a very simple reason. New Homes is roughly 10% of the overall listings, right? So it competes with resale. It competes for all consumer eyeballs looking at all potential properties. So the fact that New Homes package penetration is higher for the top-end package, you have to put it in context of who they are competing for. So that's one thing. We're happy for it to continue to grow. I think the other piece with 2025 is obviously that we have started to see probably coming up out of the valley or trough that that market segment experienced last year. Cautiously optimistic, but definitely as advertised or communicated by most of the big developers, they are seeing a better 2025 than 2024 and then probably building even better into 2026, right? It takes some time to turn around.

But that's reason for optimism because it means that they will start adding more developments. And that's what we suffered from last year when they simply didn't add as many developments as was expected. And then maybe the last one is, I mentioned the new product that we're trialing with two of our largest partners right now in new homes, the booking and appointment. So that's been probably researched and tested for quite a while, as usual. We simply asked some of these customers, what is the next thing? What's important to you? And two things. We would love to know more about the buyer as opposed to just a lead coming in. And the quicker and easier we can get them to a sales center at the site, the better. So we have built enhanced leads where we get more information from the applicant or the interested consumer.

We are also now being able to actually, or they can make a reservation or request a time for that appointment. That functionality will continue to develop. Eventually, it will actually be integrated with the big and medium-sized home developers. Consumers that are interested could do literally everything on a Rightmove site, and it's going to be a smooth journey over, and it's going to deliver value to the homes. Now, that's early stage. We're in it. We have very good indications early on, right? But it's not something that we bank on big during 2025, but it's a nice, again, builder layer for the outer years.

Ruaridh Hook
CFO, Rightmove

Then in terms of your investment question, Jessica, clearly we won't have such high people costs as we saw in 2024, but we are going to continue to grow headcount.

So we continue to invest in the business. We expect probably just over 50 heads being added in 2025. The makeup of them will be similar to what we saw in 2024 in terms of predominantly in technology roles, and they will be investment across the business in terms of core SGAs and consumer. In terms of the other cost buckets, a bit of a similar story to what we saw in 2024. So sensible growth in marketing and slightly higher growth in technology because of the cloud migration overlapping with our data centers. So really a kind of similar picture. The only thing to flag is we'll see a slightly higher amortization charge, of course, based on the higher CapEx that we saw in 2024.

Ciarán Donnelly
Analyst, Berenberg

Yeah, thanks. It's Ciaran Donnelly from Berenberg. A couple from me.

I guess more explicitly, just on Optimiser Edge, when should we expect, I guess, a new upgraded product package on top of that? Obviously, you went from Opti2020 to Edge. Just kind of getting a sense of timeline as to when we should expect a new top package come in the structure. And I guess just secondly on the SGAs, I know, Johan, you mentioned operationally you feel like you're on track, but could you just, I guess, confirm that you feel like you're financially on track in terms of the contributions you laid out to 2028? Maybe just an adjoining question to that. In terms of the GBP 10 billion TAM number, could you just help us bridge between, I think it was the 1.8 you gave at the 2023 Investor Day and what that kind of bridges between those two numbers? Thanks.

Ruaridh Hook
CFO, Rightmove

Sure.

So on the top package, look, the way we look at packages is actually three years out. So we have a really clear line of sight. We plan that far ahead. As Johan talked about, we've got a really exciting product roadmap as well to support that. I'm not going to go into the exact makeup of that based on competitive reasons. Because we've just seen Optimiser Edge, it will be too soon for a new top package in 2025. And I'll flag a couple of reasons why. One, we still have a number of customers, around 300, to migrate across. So that will be a focus in 2025. And secondly, what you'll see back in 2015, and actually I think we showed some slides on it in 2020, is when customers upgrade to a package, particularly the top package, they're engaging with products.

What we then see is that they actually choose to buy more of the same products or they choose to purchase other products within their marketing suite. So we often see very strong ARPA growth from customers once they've first migrated across. And that's certainly what we expect to see in 2025, is that the new Optimiser Edge customers will continue to grow ARPA and by the discretionary choice to purchase more incremental product. So I wouldn't say there is any plans for a top package next year. I would dangle out there that we do have a new product that we are also pathfinding in an estate agency. We expect to launch that at some point in 2025. Really excited by that. And I think that will also help boost some spend within that product suite.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

Great. Just the second one on the SGAs then.

So indeed, great operational progress and frankly, good to great financial progress so far, but it's early days. The operational piece is important because we, as we laid it out, right, we have a good line of sight to these segments. We've operated basically something in these spaces before, right? And that's why we feel confident about going after it. But we have also added particularly product resources, and we've obviously gone even deeper into the market, and we start doing actual activity in the market, and we learn as we go. So we're super happy about all of those pieces to date. Again, as I said, it's like it's an execution game for 2025. And we see no reason that we won't continue towards 2028, but also, as we said before, it doesn't stop at 2028. As a matter of fact, it won't be that big by 2028.

Now, I think it's also important to remember that they are three quite different business models. That's what they are. One is consumer. Lead-to-Keys is both consumer and agents. And obviously, commercial is much more like the core platform, if you want, but with different types of end markets. I would be surprised if they go at exactly the same pace because of that difference. And even the end markets from an outside perspective, we saw a little bit of that with commercial already, right? It has been a weaker backdrop. And well, you can see it this year, right? A little bit slower there, but mortgages going gangbusters. The totality of running at 27%, we're very happy with that, right? And we're looking to try to clock in at the totality of it.

I'm sure we'll see new openings in some of them, and I'm sure we'll come up at one or the other challenge as well. But right now, we feel good about it, and that's what we continue to do.

Ciarán Donnelly
Analyst, Berenberg

And just on the TAM that you gave, that 10 billion number versus the 1.8 billion 2023, I guess, just outlining the bridge between that.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

Yeah. It's a good upgrade, isn't it? Ben, you actually want to take it?

Ben Winstanley
Director of Investor Relations, Rightmove

Yeah. So the 1.8 billion that the Capital Markets Day was an initial revenue opportunity. The 10 billion is really a total market for the Rightmove business as it is today. And happy to run you through the components if that's helpful. Okay. Should we go to Rahul and move across?

Rahul Chopra
Analyst, HSBC

Hello, Rahul from HSBC. I have two questions.

In terms of, could you give us the underlying ARPA growth if you exclude basically the letting-only agents and housing associations? Just what is the underlying ARPA growth from the core agency base? And maybe in terms of guidance for 2025, could you dissect again the ARPA growth and the letting and the agency growth from the core versus the lower-yielding ARPA agents? That's the first question. The second, in terms of high-level, in terms of how you're currently using internally AI to gather consumer insights to monetize leads to agents beyond the more traditional way, like for example, more qualified leads to agents, and how you think the new monetization model around those opportunities could be. Thank you.

Ruaridh Hook
CFO, Rightmove

So the first one. Yeah. So as I'll just reiterate, so the script, absolutely revenue is our focus.

This year, we did see a bit of ARPA dilution, but that was from the benefit of increased membership numbers, particularly from lower ARPA customers, but overall really good for revenue. It was a 1% impact to total ARPA, so around GBP 15, which of course would go into next year as well. We expect to see a similar impact next year as well, Rahul, in 2025, so that's baked into that guidance and in terms of your questions in what we would expect in terms of the splits, I think the GBP 95-GBP 105 range is a good range for both new homes and EA.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

And on AI, you're spot on. Again, lots of data, lots of indications of behavior, so we have an initiative, an AI initiative to further, in this case, it's not entirely rewriting.

It's actually enhancing some of the propensity modeling that we have, let's say, in more old-school ways, but they're effective, but enhancing that further so we can segment and call out that predictability even better, which indeed will generate more qualified leads. Doesn't take away from the volume necessarily, but it is one of the active ones, and there's a lot within that, again, the data-underpinned products that we have where we can deploy AI.

Sean Kealy
Analyst, Panmure Liberum

Thanks, Sean. Sean Kealy from Panmure Liberum. Morning, everyone. A couple if I can. Firstly, you mentioned that you're a little bit over halfway done with the cloud migration. Are you willing to give us a timeline on exactly when you're expecting that to be complete? Secondly, I know a lot of the Optimiser Edge upgrades have been from moving clients from Optimiser to Opti Edge.

Are you seeing, or is there anything to call out about uptake from the Enhanced package? I think you said there's an 8x ROI. How are you seeing upgrades from that package into OptiEdge? And then just finally, if we can, we haven't talked about HomeViews and anything you're developing for the Build-to-Rent sector at all. Is there any sort of update you can give us on that one as well?

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

I can take one or three. So cloud timeline, we are progressing this in one way as fast as we can, but in the other way, and in a very high-quality way. We have a big business running. Needs to deliver every single second. And Rauridh alluded to this, right? We're a little bit in this challenged land of a number of things in the data center and now over half in the cloud.

But actually operating that is not easy. But again, very good progress. So from a timeline perspective, we're targeting most of this in the beginning of 2027.

Sean Kealy
Analyst, Panmure Liberum

Brilliant. Thank you.

Ruaridh Hook
CFO, Rightmove

2022. So yeah, I mean, I feel a little bit sorry for the Enhanced package, actually, if I'm honest. 15% penetration. But really, that's just been the success of Optimiser 2020 and Optimiser Edge. Many of our customers, when they're having that discussion with our account managers, it's the opportunity to upgrade, have a higher threshold in terms of products and exclusive products. And I think what we've seen is many of them choose that over the middle package. So in a way, delighted because it comes at the success of that top package. We have seen a usual continual increase of upgrades from Essential to Enhanced this year, similar to the year before and the year before that.

We expect to see some again in 2025. That's what it's there for really, is to help customers work themselves up the package ladder. Many new joiners may start on Essential as their business needs change, as perhaps they have different requirements. There's the opportunities to go to Enhanced and Optimiser. We absolutely expect to see that continue going forward.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

Okay. I'll give you the benefit of the third. Try to be quick. HomeViews is progressing really well. Last year was about obviously getting the two teams together, but particularly also making sure that before we start using HomeViews and/or reviews on the Rightmove platform, we hardened their core engine, made sure it was up to snuff from our perspective. We also started, of course, integrating aspects of it.

At the end of the year, we started exposing the review functionality or the reviews from HomeViews on Rightmove. This means massively bigger audience potential, obviously, for the developers that were HomeViews partners already. And it's been taken really well in the market. And we simply go on from here.

Ben Winstanley
Director of Investor Relations, Rightmove

Andrew.

Andrew Ross
Analyst, Barclays

Great. And sorry.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

I think I said developers, just to be clear. It's mostly rental operators or Build-to-Rent.

Andrew Ross
Analyst, Barclays

Andrew here from Barclays. I've got two, please. The first one, I guess, is a big picture one. It's the first set of proper results you guys have had since REA made a series of bids for Rightmove. Just kind of curious whether there's any additional perspective that you guys want to share around that whole situation as for kind of standstill is due to expire in March.

I guess any perspective on cross-border M&A in general in the industry, which clearly is a big theme at the moment. That's the first question. The second one is there's been a bit of noise in the last couple of weeks about one of your agent customers complaining about their 18% price rise, starting a petition and arguing the CMA should look into your pricing practices. Just kind of high-level curious on your take on that whole situation. Thanks.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

Sure. I'll start with one. On REA, look, basically saying now what we said then, the board felt very confident, still feels very confident in Rightmove, continuing to deliver value and generate a lot of value beyond the indications in that process. And I think that's exactly what we're showing through these results and hopefully of some of what we laid out as well.

I mean, in terms of further speculation and so forth, can't speculate on that. We tend to be focused on our business, and we continue to feel very good about the opportunities ahead. There is, well, there's always, I think, some forms of cross-border M&A or at least indications of it. Clearly, there was another one down under very recently involving some related parties. But if you were to ask me a specific question on that one, I would say, don't know, not in Australia. Very focused on the U.K. That's kind of it.

Ruaridh Hook
CFO, Rightmove

On the contract renewal point, we have a long-standing pricing policy which is based on value to all of our customers, and that's what we deliver, great outstanding value across our customer base, and we have to look at it fairly across all of our customers, new and existing.

We're not entertaining those sorts of increases unless there is absolutely the value commensurate with the package that they're on. And many of them are choosing to upgrade themselves or to take a different approach in terms of buying incremental product. So we haven't changed. Yes, there's some noise, but ultimately, for the majority of our customers, we are incredibly happy with the value that we provide and the service. And it's something that we continue to monitor. And as you can see from the product roadmap, we're continually evolving to make sure that we continue to provide that value to them.

Andrew Ross
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Thanks, [Rauridh].

William Packer
Analyst, BNP Paribas Exane

Hi, it's William Packer from BNP Paribas. A couple for me, please. Firstly, in early 2024, CoStar spoke to spending approximately $50 million on sales and marketing during 2024.

Then there was an interview of their CEO in December, which confirmed they had completed those spending plans. Could you help us think through how that impacted the market? Is the way to interpret those comments as they came and spent more than double what you did and your traffic share was totally unaffected? Or is it more actually they were spending on, not specifically on marketing and building their business more widely so that test hasn't yet come? I suppose related to that, any update on OTM or Zoopla's activities in marketing and pricing in recent history? The second question is regarding the strategic growth areas. We're now, I think, 18 months on from the CMD. That may be wrong, but that kind of ballpark. How are you thinking around the monetization strategy in those segments?

Is it fair that it's kind of still very much in line with subscription products and commercial mortgage leads on a kind of transactional basis, etc.? Or has there been some kind of evolution now that you're a bit deeper into that story? Thank you.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

Start. And you go on that one. So you referred, well, to the 50 million. And I was about to say, as usual, it's a number that is thrown out there. Obviously, can't fully verify that. What we do know, and we talked about this before, ever since then, which is now 15 months, they have been very active in the market, signing up and/or trying to sign up more supply. They have a pretty forward-leaning, let's say, posture in terms of the market and how they view it and how they think others should view it.

They have spent marketing in digital format, as far as we have ever been able to discover, search, and online display. Again, what exactly goes into that number? Don't really know. I think it's a combination of sales and marketing, arguably. But we have not really seen anything, nor did we hear literally anything or anything specifically in our conversations with partners. So again, we try to be, of course, we keep track of that and measure things and whatnot, but it's really execution focus on our own business. And again, rolling out Optimiser Edge, both maybe a little bit in the backdrop of the property market and for sure some of that noise, I think, is the testament to our strength. So that's what we're going to continue to do. We continue to, obviously, closely look at things, just not spend too much time on it.

And we have to prepare for that more things will come or can come, at least. I think you called it a phony war. We'll see what the next version is. But the point of that is also that what we laid out as a strategy, first of all, we started in an extremely strong position, right? The network effects, the saliency, the behavior. And what we laid out as a strategy in terms of investing both in the core and consumer propositions and the SGAs, that's like an offensive. We want to grow and diversify the business. We think that works excellently from a defense perspective as well. So the better we do and the faster we can do that, the better, right? But we think we're in this lane. And I know analogy might be when Windows launched Bing, guess what? Google was already on to what?

Chrome, Android, a bunch of other ecosystems that I have very good rights to play in. And I think we're sitting there and other people are chasing from a very, very different position.

Ruaridh Hook
CFO, Rightmove

In terms of business models, nothing has made us change our view that we're going down the right routes for the SGAs. So no change in that. We're continually evaluating that it is the right approach. If it changes or we see something different, then of course we'll pivot. The nice thing is now that we've got the people on board and those teams skilled up, if we needed to, we can do that at pace. But at the moment, really confident in the direction that we're going.

William Packer
Analyst, BNP Paribas Exane

And just to follow up on the competitive context, have we seen any new behavior from Zoopla in terms of either marketing or pricing that's worthy of our attention?

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

I can't really comment in details on it. We don't have that insight. It seems like it's pretty stable. Again, some of the charts and positions that you see in the market. So I think that's generally the answer. Zoopla certainly continues to do business, and they have a couple of different arms of the business, as you know, as well.

William Packer
Analyst, BNP Paribas Exane

Thank you.

Ben Winstanley
Director of Investor Relations, Rightmove

Okay. Any more?

Yeah. Hello. Could you give us an update on where we are with broker partners? I think we're still currently in mortgages. It's still with this real mortgage information while you go to broker partners. Have you still launched L&C partners? Is it separate product itself? And where we are in that journey? Have you put together that?

Yeah. We're being waved up at the back.

I'm not sure the microphone was on, but I think the question was on broker partners in mortgages and where we are on that journey.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

Yeah. Yes, we have a few brokers to date, and we are working to add more of them. That might entail different paths or accesses for broker partners than the typical one that we have today. Remortgages, for example, is a good—that was a new product or another type of mortgage product that didn't follow the model that we had for a new purchase exactly. It will continue to evolve, but we think there is value in partnering with our broker agents, again, provide them more volume of leads and high-quality leads because of some of the data that we can supply with it. Things are going to happen this year or next year within that space. Okay.

Ben Winstanley
Director of Investor Relations, Rightmove

Last one, then, [Ciaran].

Ciarán Donnelly
Analyst, Berenberg

Yeah, just one final one. In terms of the comment that it's the second strongest agency retention you have in a decade, I guess, what are the factors you think have driven that performance?

Ruaridh Hook
CFO, Rightmove

I'll jump in there. I think it's testament to the value that Rightmove is offering in a competitive landscape that we have and in, quite frankly, a very subdued property market. We continue to see agents talk with their spend in terms of upgrading an incremental product and still see that in terms of outcomes, Rightmove is the place to deliver those superior outcomes. So honestly, I think it also shows it's a testament to the product that we've been providing in the last couple of years that's really coming to the forefront and some fantastic new products. It'll be 10 years for me at Rightmove next year.

I've never been so excited about the roadmap that's coming up. I think, honestly, that's what's really helped the retention because it's been a tough year for estate agents. I think they do a better market and some positivity. I hope it continues, and then we will continue to deliver that value.

Ben Winstanley
Director of Investor Relations, Rightmove

[Grayson]. Go on. Go on, [Josh].

Thank you. Stuck in there. First question is back on Andrew's question, actually. I'd be interested to hear from Johan why, in reference to the petition, why you think this type of thing keeps happening because it's happened more than once. Then secondly, on commercial, I'd be interested to hear how big a competitive disadvantage, if at all, not being a global platform is.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

Okay. Sorry. So look, I think customer relationships, discussions, agreements, or disagreements on views, they happen in all businesses.

Would I love to play or pay less to Google Cloud for our services? Yeah. They're providing a fantastic service and platform that I know will drive value or is driving value for our business. So I think the fact that a conversation like this can happen; it's really not strange in that sense. I would also just repeat a little bit what Rauridh said. What kind of contract renewal rates is there in the market depends on the term of the contract, the timing, how you use or not use the product compared to others in the market. That's what we're balancing over time, right? But it's so clear the outcomes that we deliver and that we need to continue to deliver. You see that as one example in the last point, 90% retention rate.

Ruaridh Hook
CFO, Rightmove

Sorry, [Josh].

I would also add, remember the thousands that do upgrade and talk with their feet in terms of that. We have over 50% of our customers choose to spend more than their commitment each month. So even though they've got a commitment, over half of our estate agents choose to spend more on products, and therefore they're seeing the value. So I would just bear that in mind. The fact is that we monitor customer sentiment regularly. Every month we get an update, and we look at that. We perform considerably higher than competitors in a number of the metrics in terms of how customers perceive us, particularly in the value of outputs that we give and innovation. So I would just bear that in mind when you see some of the noise.

And just to follow up on the petition, there was a specific point they made about the commercial practice of having a higher price if they leave and they want to come back. Is that standard across your industry? Is there any credence to their complaint there?

No, it's in fact the opposite. What we have to bear in mind is actually being fair to new joiners. The new joiner rate is higher than some customers that have been with us for a long time. And actually, what we have to do is look at fairness, which is why I mentioned the new and old, because what we don't want to do is put off agent formation or create an unfair playing field for those trying to enter the market.

What you often see is that actually the new joiner rate is higher than a number of those customers getting a contract renewal. And that's partly we have to be fair on those new entrants as well. That's part of the fairness that we have to look at as well. It's not just existing customers. It's also new customers as well and what they're paying.

Onto the question about commercial, please, Johan.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

Sorry. What was that question? I thought you asked about the disadvantages about the global.

Yeah. The commercial side of your business, not being a global operator.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Sorry. Same question. No, I really don't think so because of the fundamentals of this business and what it indeed looks like in most countries around the world. Network effects have been playing out.

Most of real estate portal sites have been able to evade to a large extent the usual B2C Google tax and create extremely strong P&Ls, but also very strong network effects. So the other piece is, of course, yes, a property is a property, but property markets, the commercial models, what's involved, what's entailed, and so forth is actually different in each market. I mean, there's been 25 years of possibilities of building something bigger, and you don't see a lot of examples of that, right? So we don't think there are any massive advantages or something that we would think is actively interesting from that perspective. I would add, look, scale, is that interesting to some extent? Yes. But in this case, with our P&L profile, it's from anyone else's perspective, right?

It's like there's not a lot you can "take out of it" and/or benefit from a scale perspective.

Ben Winstanley
Director of Investor Relations, Rightmove

Okay. That's great. Thanks all for joining us.

Johan Svanstrom
CEO, Rightmove

Thank you, everyone.

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