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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Apr 29, 2022

Operator

Welcome to the Travis Perkins Q1 trading update call for analysts and investors. With me, I have Travis Perkins CEO, Nick Roberts, and CFO, Alan Williams, who will take your questions. I will now hand over to Nick and Alan for their opening remarks before we move to questions from the phone lines.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Well, good morning to you all. I trust you're all safe and well. Our call this morning will last around 30 minutes because we have the AGM this morning, and of course, we'll need to go and meet our shareholders. We put a fair bit of detail in the statement this morning. Therefore, we recognize that we may not be able to get to everyone on the line. Matt will be happy in the usual way to pick up any further questions afterwards. We also recognize there are some key topics on people's minds.

Please, given the time we have available, can I ask participants to bear that in mind and not repeat questions on similar subjects that have already been covered.

Just to summarize the trading statement and the key points within it's been an encouraging start to the year with total sales up 13.6%. In merchanting, total sales were up 17.9%. Given the current environment, pricing accounts for a significant proportion of our growth, around 2/3. We also saw good volume growth, although we're mindful that Q1 is the softest comparative for the merchant businesses.

Material cost inflation continues to be passed through in an orderly manner, and stock levels remain close to normal. We do now expect pricing to be a higher proportion of sales growth than we had originally forecast, but the market remains rational with respect to managing this impact. Our customers continue to tell us they've got healthy order books.

Our larger customers, in particular, are underpinned by a backlog of work in social and economic infrastructure and an ongoing requirement for new housing. In Toolstation, as we expected, sales were down 6% with like for like sales down 11.9%. As I'm sure you're all aware, we are comparing to a period in 2021 where the country was in lockdown and with Toolstation, one of the few businesses fully open and trading. This obviously fueled a surge in DIY spend that many of us have discussed a number of times.

Toolstation's customer base is now returning back to its core trade customers, and hence this sort of transient volume is dropping out, and we expect the drivers of the business to normalize in the H2 . With regards to cost inflation, we continue to manage this well.

With respect to the significant increases in energy costs, we have limited exposure and remain well hedged. Looking ahead, we're mindful of both the macroeconomic and geopolitical uncertainty. However, customer demand remains robust, and we therefore maintain our expectations for the full year. With that, I'm happy to move to the phone lines and take your questions.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one. Our first question comes from Will Jones from Redburn. Please go ahead.

Will Jones
Equity Analyst, Redburn

Morning. Just a couple for me, please, around merchanting, if we could, perhaps exploring the price side of things first. I think back at the full year, you had talked about potentially a mirror image of last year's inflation trends, which would have, I think, implied a high single-digit number for 2022. Is the comment in the release potentially signaling that maybe that stays at 10% or more, perhaps across 2022? I suppose linked to that, when we think about gross margins, I think last year you had about 40 basis points of inventory gains that you thought might be given back this year.

Perhaps the price picture means that might not be the case to the full extent. I don't know.

It's just whether you can comment on anything else around the gross margin side of things, perhaps customer mix and industry competition. Thank you.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

I think that ended up being 3 questions, Will.

Will Jones
Equity Analyst, Redburn

Two subjects.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

On the first one, on the pricing and, you know, we had said at the full year, we thought it would be a mirror image of 2021. I think we are signaling that it's likely to be a little higher than that. Obviously very difficult to call at this stage, but we are seeing manufacturers continue to push up prices. I would note in particular some of the pressures on categories like timber, given the situation in Ukraine as well. On the second question, on the point around inventory gains, you're correct that we're probably, I suppose, giving back less than we had originally anticipated, all other things being equal on that.

I think there is some slight offset in that in terms of customer mix.

Alan Williams
CFO, Travis Perkins

When I look at the customer mix in merchanting, our larger customers are a little stronger at this stage. That's a feature of markets like social infrastructure and managed services business within the general merchant, which, as you know, is a very large chunk of the business. We've seen those customers post-pandemic last year, they were the slowest to recover, and we're seeing a stronger recovery in those customers now. I think you know, my expectations for gross margin for the year are basically unchanged.

I suppose that starts to answer the point on customer mix as well that you were alluding to at the end, Will. Just to add to that, Will, you know, Alan's absolutely right. Our larger customers remain robust and largely unchanged.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Also the domestic RMI space has remained positive as well as people continue to make long-term decisions around utility of their space and their houses. We continue to see strong trading in that segment too. Thank you. Thanks, Will.

Operator

George Gregory, BNP Paribas Exane, please go ahead.

George Gregory
Equity Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I'll just take one so we can keep things flowing. So yeah, could you just give us an indication of how the rise in cost of living in the UK is having an impact on demand? I appreciate that, you're seeing a lot of growth in the social, and economic infrastructure side of the business, which I presume is relatively insulated. At some point, does the pressure on the consumer hurt your volumes?

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

George, thank you. I think it's a little bit too early to tell. What we have seen through the quarter is sustained strong demand for materials to undertake domestic RMI projects. As we've said, and as you can see in our Toolstation numbers, obviously the DIY elements has receded from the market as expected. Customers undertaking work on their houses using professional tradespeople to do so, and those professional tradespeople seeking support and materials from us, has sustained.

You know, we are watchful and vigilant in the market for signs of the impact of cost of living increases, changing the demand profile and as people reconsider maybe how much work they undertake.

Bear in mind, we tend to deal, or we tend to serve end customers who are homeowners, who tend to be affluent and who tend to be taking long-term decisions around the utility of space in the home. Therefore, you know, we remain very watchful of that segment, but positive so far.

George Gregory
Equity Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas

Okay, great. Thank you.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Thanks, George.

Operator

Arnaud Lehmann, Bank of America, please go ahead.

Arnaud Lehmann
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you very much. Good morning, gentlemen. I'll keep it to one question as well, please. Considering the macro outlook that you mentioned and the kind of global uncertainties, have you reviewed your strategy at all in terms of store openings, for example, for Toolstation, in terms of your M&A ambitions, in terms of your financial leverage? Do you have, like, contingency plans, let's say if the macro was to get worse? Thank you.

Alan Williams
CFO, Travis Perkins

Hi, Arnaud, it's Alan. I think we have within, if I start with something like leverage, I think we took a fairly conservative position when we said, you know, we wanted to operate within a range of 1.5 times to 2 times lease-adjusted EBITDA. I said both at the Capital Markets Day and at the full year results, I was very comfortable towards the lower end of the range, where we're operating.

I think the Toolstation story is really strong, and we intend to proceed with the branch rollout program we've got there. As for M&A, I think we've flagged well, Arnaud, that M&A is probably going to be a small component of our story in any case.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

We'll continue to look at really interesting opportunities like taking full control of the Staircraft business in Q4 last year. But it won't be a large component of the strategy in any case. More generally, Arnaud, I would add to Alan's remarks there that our business has achieved a high level of agility as a result of navigating the pandemic. And that's something I think that will serve us very well as we, in a very considered way, like everybody, navigate the ever-changing geopolitical situation.

We remain watchful and very flexible in how we adjust our plans, both operational and strategic. I would end with the comment that we remain absolutely committed to delivering the strategy that we laid out in September last year.

Arnaud Lehmann
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

That's very clear. Thank you very much.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Thank you, Arnaud.

Operator

Charlie Campbell, Liberum, please go ahead.

Charlie Campbell
Analyst, Liberum

Yeah. Morning.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Hi, Charlie.

Charlie Campbell
Analyst, Liberum

To kick off as well. Just exploring the merchanting a bit more. Just wondering if you could give us sort of an idea of the ranking between the merchanting businesses. Which bits are doing well and which less well? Sounds like General Merchanting and CCF are the stars, but just wondered if you could just run through that maybe a little bit.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Yeah, Charlie, I think all of the merchanting businesses have had a good Q1 . I think there are still marginal impacts in CCF on availability, but I don't think it's holding back sales. We'd like to have more inventory there, but the business is going well. Keyline, we've spoken about social and economic infrastructure in the statement deliberately that impacts both Keyline positively as well as in the general merchant business. It's a you know it's a fairly broad-based positive Q1 that we've seen.

Charlie Campbell
Analyst, Liberum

Your answer. Thank you.

Operator

Gregor Kuglitsch, UBS, please go ahead.

Gregor Kuglitsch
Senior Equity Analyst, UBS

Hi, thanks. One easy one and then maybe one slightly trickier one. Could you just maybe share, and maybe it's not that material, which I guess is why you didn't call it out, but could you just give us the like for like for both the group and merchanting? I mean, maybe I missed it, but I thought you were only talking total sales. The second question is on Toolstation. You say, well, that Q1 was kind of down in line with your expectations.

Can you just sort of remind us what you think is the sort of DIY component that perhaps is just gonna drop out when we think about the full year of this year? Sort of, I guess, just extrapolating what happened in the Q1 , what are we talking?

Just so we can get a sense and perhaps talk about the comps a little bit there as well. Thank you.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Yeah, Gregor, to be very clear on the like for like question, I view like for like as being more of a retail measure. We're not a retailer. Within the merchant businesses there are very few changes now in the branch portfolio, so the like for like and total sales numbers are very similar. Now, having said we're not a retailer, I recognize given the pace of opening within the Toolstation network that it still makes sense to help people with a like for like as well as a total sales picture to understand the underlying position in Toolstation to form a view on things like maturity of branches as we go through.

On your second question, with regard to Toolstation, can I just remind everyone that Q1 last year we saw 42% growth in Toolstation, and if memory serves me well at an even higher position going into the Q2 last year as well on both like for like and total sales. It's always very difficult to call in a business like Toolstation how the exact component composition, sorry, between DIY and trade customers. The reason being a lot of the trade customers who we've got are sole traders.

They're not incorporated businesses, and they're not credit accounts, so they're cash accounts. It's only through inquiry that we can really understand what the customers do, and then it's a question of recording that. Now, not every customer wants to reveal that sort of information.

The way in which we have looked at this, rather than being able to get to a pure trade versus DIY sort of split, is to look at customers by their annual spend. We regard customers over GBP 1,000 annual spend as being trade in nature or experienced DIYers rather than the more occasional customers. Our position with those customers remains healthy as we talked about at the full-year results.

Overall I think we're, you know, it's following the pattern that we expected and hopefully the pattern that we guided quite clearly to you both in at the beginning of March and also at the Q3 trading update.

Gregor Kuglitsch
Senior Equity Analyst, UBS

Thank you.

Operator

Christian Keurth from Numis, please go ahead.

Christian Keurth
Equity Analyst, Numis

Thank you. Morning, guys. 2 quantitative ones, if you're very quick and one qualitative one, sort of noting the comps in Toolstation. If I look at that like for like sales down 12%, I mean, how should I think about the like for like sales in the UK itself and how would that split between volume and price? Those are just the 2 quantitative ones. Just, you know, with DIY under pressure, are you sort of seeing, you know, increased price competition from perhaps sort of more DIY focused, you know, stores, et cetera? Thank you.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Yeah. Within Europe, remember as well that we had the same phenomenon as in the UK. Not only were lots of retail alternatives closed to the sort of DIY market in Q1 2021 in Europe, but a number of the larger DIY units were also closed, particularly in Benelux, so we benefited from that. In terms of the level of price inflation that we're seeing in Toolstation, I'd say at this stage it's probably around a mid-single digit level of inflation, certainly lower than merchanting, where the inflation is more weighted towards the heavy side categories. Christian, your question on pricing coming under pressure for that DIY segment.

You know, we remain watchful around that generally. People are really competing by developing the proposition and the service proposition where we think we are particularly strong. We've seen less pricing pressure, although obviously there are some, you know. There has been some kind of flash sales and discounting. Obviously we retain a price premium in Toolstation, which is valued by our customers, particularly our trade customers, and we continue to emphasize the service proposition around that to win, and we're really encouraged by the results that we see.

Christian Keurth
Equity Analyst, Numis

Excellent.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Thanks, Christian.

Christian Keurth
Equity Analyst, Numis

Thank you very much both. Thank you.

Operator

Mary Jobber, Morgan Stanley, please go ahead. Mandy Chober, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Mandy Chober
Analyst

Apologies, guys, on mute. Just thank you for taking my questions. There's 2 from me. On the kind of the loss we're going to be seeing in this transient DIY volume, my first question is, has there been anything you've been doing strategically to try and retain some of that bonus of volume that you saw that sort of as a COVID benefit? And secondly, where are the DIY customers going? Is it that they are. There's just not as much of a demand because people are able to go out and about and not wanting to necessarily spend their time doing DIY in their home, or is it that they're going to other competitors, like the ones you mentioned that were previously closed during COVID? Thank you.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Super. Look, we, you know, we don't think DIY customers are going to anybody else, because all you got to do is read across to our competitors' numbers, and you'll see the same effect. What we are seeing is, as we said, in our statement and my introductory remarks, if you bear in mind, this time last year, people had very little else to do, and very few ways to spend their money. Actually, you know, when the likes of Toolstation are open and there are jobs to do at home, then that really drove a search in DIY. We don't see the business going elsewhere.

We see people spending their money in different ways and taking advantage of the ability to go on holiday overseas.

There's still obviously DIY work going on, and indeed, as people are squeezed in their pocket, they might choose actually to do more themselves. We're just seeing the impact as we expected of that, you know, staying at home because you can't do anything else, so I'll get on with some jobs at home, painting and decorating, patio and garden work, drop out of the market. You know, we continue to serve those customers really well, and they continue to come into our branches and seek products through our online channels.

We continue to see and continue to retain DIY customers by the strength of our service proposition, the strength of the click and collect, the strength of our app that, you know, is being used by more and more customers all the time, and the real compelling home delivery options that Toolstation provides as well as the value premium that we have in Toolstation. Actually, far from being downhearted about DIY, we expected the change, but we continue to focus on that customer set successfully. Thanks, Mandy.

Mandy Chober
Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Aynsley Lammin, Investec. Please go ahead.

Aynsley Lammin
Equity Research Analyst, Investec

Thanks. Morning. 2 from me, please. Just first of all, maybe some cost kind of comments below the cost of goods lines, you know, things like labor, fuel, haulage, et cetera. Are you seeing kind of increased pressure there? Are you happily offsetting that? Then secondly, just maybe coming back to merchant on the competitive backdrop. Is it fair to say the kind of wider industry is, you know, successfully passing on that cost inflation in a disciplined way? Are you seeing any changes amongst the regionals or the independents on the merchant side in terms of their pricing strategies? Thank you very much.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Hi, Aynsley. Yeah. On. If I take the 2nd one, I would describe it as a disciplined and orderly sort of pass-through. I think everyone is, you know, we're all aware of the level of inflation, customers and competitors alike, as well as the manufacturers. It is what it is at the moment, and it's fairly orderly. On the overhead cost pressures, we did put a sentence in the statement saying overall cost inflation for the group is expected to remain manageable. That's not to say, obviously, it's not at elevated levels, but the reflection we're making is, for example, our utilities cost as a proportion of the P&L is relatively modest, and therefore it's painful, but we're taking the necessary action to ensure that we can offset those impacts within the P&L.

Aynsley Lammin
Equity Research Analyst, Investec

Great. Thank you.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Thanks, Aynsley.

Operator

Rajesh Patki from JP Morgan, please go ahead.

Rajesh Patki
Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Yes. Good morning, all. I've got 1 question. If you can confirm that the current softness that we're seeing in Toolstation has no impact on the target of over GBP 1 billion of sales by 2024, or do you now think it takes longer to get there? In other words, did the targets set last year incorporate the unwind in DIY momentum that we're witnessing now? Thank you.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Yeah. Hi, Rajesh. I think we're very comfortable with the targets that we outlined for where Toolstation is going.

Rajesh Patki
Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Thank you.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Thanks, Rajesh.

Operator

Thank you. This was the last question, today. With this, I'd like to hand the call back over to our speakers for any additional closing remarks.

Nick Roberts
CEO, Travis Perkins

Super. Thank you all for your questions and for joining us this morning. That's really helpful, and we enjoy talking to you as always. We'll look forward to speaking to you again soon.

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