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Earnings Call: H1 2025

Dec 5, 2024

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Sales of Roberto Coin are strong in the U.S., and the integration of the business is progressing well. We're very active on developing plans for future growth of this great brand. Pre-owned both Rolex Certified Pre-Owned and other brands is providing accelerated growth in line with our plans and expectations. The integration of the recently acquired Hodinkee business is underway, and we're working on some exciting growth plans with the teams there. We have a strong pipeline of major projects impacting particularly H2, as well as the projects completed during H1. The holiday season has started well, with November sales in line with our growth expectations, and we are pleased, therefore, to confirm our previously announced guidance for the year remains unchanged. Our revenue mix has changed quite significantly in the past five years.

As shown in the first pie charts, the share of our sales in the U.S. has moved from 24% fiscal year 2019 to 45% in H1 of FY 2025, and following the removal of tax-free shopping in the U.K., our sales have been predominantly to domestic clients at 94% of the total in H1 FY 2025, compared to 67% in FY 2019, as shown in the second pie charts. We are very proud of our success in the U.S., and the teams there under the leadership of David Hurley have done a fantastic job. Through last fiscal year, sales had grown to GBP 870 million from GBP 120 million in fiscal year 2018, and we are planning further impressive growth in fiscal year 2025.

As shown in the boxes below each year, growth has come from a number of incremental projects and acquisitions, in addition to a program of sustained showroom investment and enhanced client experience. This chart shows our product split, with luxury watches in total changing very little from 81% in fiscal year 2019 to 82% in H1 fiscal year 2025. The top eight luxury watch brands shown represent 71% of the sales in H1 FY 2025. Jewelry sales have increased in this time to 12% mix following the acquisition of Roberto Coin Inc. This chart shows some new information from analysis of the Watches of Switzerland Group client databases in the U.K. and the U.S. We show the split of sales by client frequency, from clients buying only one to two watches since January 2020 to those serious collectors who have purchased more than seven watches in that period.

Of course, clients may have shopped with other retailers during this time, and we do not have comparable other market statistics for this data. However, we believe that we outperform the market on both the category one shopper buying infrequently, representing 45% of our sales in the U.K. and 30% of our sales in the US, and the category four serious collectors representing 26% of sales in the U.K. and a very significant 45% of sales in the US. Some other new information for you from our survey of U.K. clients, which shows a clear preference of multi-brand shopping at 70%, more than two to one, compared to 30% mono-brand preference. And of these clients, 84% confirm the importance of independent advice and expertise, such as provided in our showrooms by our great colleagues.

In 2024, we celebrate 100 years of the Watches of Switzerland brand that first opened in Ludgate in London in 1924. We are celebrating this milestone with a series of stunning exclusive timepieces from our brand partners, as shown here. We've completed some great projects this year, with many more to come, including important developments with Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, and Rolex. In August, we opened this great expanded showroom for Patek in Greenwich, Connecticut. Clients love the new 2,000 sq ft space, and many enjoyed the opening event. We are making great progress with the Audemars Piguet Townhouse in Manchester, which will open in April next year. This will be the first Audemars Piguet Townhouse in the U.K. outside of London and our first joint venture with AP.

We have a number of great projects with Rolex, including a relocation to a much larger store in Tampa, Florida, a return to Jacksonville, Florida, to a completely new location, doubling the size of the Betteridge Vail showroom with a beautiful Alpine design, and a new Rolex agency in a relocated showroom in Plano, Texas, and then in February, we will open this amazing Rolex boutique in Lenox, Atlanta, which is a conversion of the previous Mayors store into a 3,000 sq ft Rolex flagship. In March, we will open this stunning statement of a Rolex flagship in Bond Street, London, four floors and over 6,000 sq ft of retailing, including a service lounge and a dedicated pre-owned floor. The Watches of Switzerland Group has managed the Rolex Bond Street boutique since the early 1970s.

In the U.K., last month, we opened this beautiful Watches of Switzerland showroom in Fenchurch Street, London, which was a conversion from Mappin & Webb, expanding from around 1,200 sq ft to over 5,800 sq ft. In a relatively short period of time, Rolex certified pre-owned has become an important and established part of our business and now is our number two brand. Additionally, other pre-owned has grown significantly too. Rolex CPO is now in 19 Rolex showrooms in the U.S. and 24 in the U.K., and other CPO is traded in 16 showrooms in the U.S. and 30 showrooms in the U.K. Our scale, systems, and showroom networks all provide substantial competitive advantages in this sector. Sales are in line with our growth plan expectations.

Procurement, servicing, et cetera, are all operating smoothly, and we look forward to the implementation of in-store furniture and window displays, which will further accelerate growth. Luxury branded jewelry is a large and growing market. The market has been and continues to trend towards brand preference versus commodity. We believe that we have a significant growth potential in this category, and we've developed a number of key plans: the acquisition of Roberto Coin in North America, a concept of dedicated luxury branded jewelry showrooms, the first of which will open in Manchester, expanded jewelry spaces in showroom developments, a focus on e-com, and importantly, the introduction of and expanded distribution of the international luxury brands shown here. We love the Roberto Coin brand, and we have formed a great collaborative partnership with the teams at Roberto Coin in both Vicenza and New York.

There's been no disruption with wholesale partners in the U.S., and we are now fully active on retail store locations, retail store design, new shop-in-shop design, and a new advertising campaign. We have also initiated department store concession discussions. We already had planned space expansions for the Roberto Coin brand in Mayors, which was previously only in counter presentations. The increased sales and productivity from the elevated and larger spaces has been excellent. And then in summer, we will open this first-of-its-kind dedicated luxury jewelry showroom in Manchester. For many brands, this will be the first time being distributed outside of London. This includes the launch of the David Yurman brand in the U.K.. The David Yurman brand is a major player in the U.S, and we're delighted to bring this great brand to our country. Client experience is our number one focus.

Our team manage a full and varied events calendar, including, for example, a recent special Mappin & Webb event at the Tower of London with the Crown Jeweller. We are using special 3D cameras to support our virtual boutique team with the online shoppers. Conversion rates from our virtual boutique operation are excellent. Our newest business is Hodinkee, and the integration to date has gone well. We feel very positive about the prospects from adding this globally leading authority on luxury watches to our group and the potential to develop online sales and advertising revenues. And finally, our group has always had an active focus on all ESG matters. We have a program of employee engagement, and we were delighted to be certified as a Great Place to Work earlier this year.

On the environment, we are active on continually improving our footprint, emphasizing the circularity of Swiss watches through increased servicing resources and expanding pre-owned sales. We have consistently supported our foundation and developed great partnerships around our foundation's objectives of alleviating poverty and promoting education. We have a super group of trustees who willingly give their time to the foundation. And now I'll pass over to Anders.

Anders Romberg
CFO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Thank you, Ryan, and good morning, everyone. I'm Anders Romberg, CFO for the group, and I'll now take you through the financials. Our first half performance was in line with our expectations. As planned, our first quarter was impacted by the stock builds, particularly in the U.S. Trading has improved sequentially in the second quarter, and early holiday trade in November has been good. Our full year guidance remains unchanged. Our first half sales were plus 4% to last year at constant currency. With a stronger second quarter, the U.K. improved sequentially from its FY 2024 exit rate, with sales down 4% in the first quarter and plus 2% in the second quarter. U.S. was down 1% in the first quarter from anticipated stock builds and plus 24% in constant currency in the second quarter, taking the first half to plus 11%. I'll now take you through the income statement.

This is presented on a pre-IFRS 16 basis. The reconciliations to the statutory numbers are included in the RNS. On a reported basis, sales for the half were + 3%. Net margin for the half was 60 basis points down on last year, reflecting adverse product mix due to the higher increase of pre-owned. Adjusted EBIT of GBP 66 million, achieving a margin of 8.4%. This was 120 basis points down on prior year due to the net margin rate decline and the deleverage of fixed cost. Finance cost increased by GBP 5.8 million to GBP 7.3 million following the drawdown of funds for the Roberto Coin acquisitions. The effective tax rate was 28.4% for the half, exceeding the standard U.K. rate due to higher chargeable taxes on US profits. Adjusted EPS was 18.1p, a decline of 16% on prior year.

Moving to the balance sheet, the increase in goodwill relates to our acquisitions of Roberto Coin, Hodinkee, and Ernest Jones showrooms in the last year. Our inventory increased to GBP 477 million, an increase of 19% versus last year, reflecting the Roberto Coin and Ernest Jones showroom acquisitions. Underlying inventory turns are good. It is important to remember that there is no obsolescence risk in our inventory and very low cost of storage. Receivables is all driven by the timing of seasonal trade in Roberto Coin. Net debt was GBP 120 million at the end of the half, and I'll take you through the key points on the next slide. Our leverage at the end of the half was 0.7x EBITDA. On the cash flow, adjusted EBITDA was GBP 87 million.

The working capital outflow of GBP 42 million represents the seasonal build of stock for strong holiday seasons and timing of receivables of Roberto Coin. We expect the working capital build to unwind in the second half. I'm expecting the full year free cash flow conversion to be in line with our guidance of circa 70%. We continue to invest in our showroom expansion and refurbishment program. Our expansion plans have been more front-end weighted, and we expect capital spend to be lower in the second half, reflecting full year guidance of GBP 60-70 million. We spent GBP 107 million on the acquisitions of Roberto Coin and Hodinkee, financed by a new $115 million term facility agreement to maintain flexibility. Today, we are reiterating our full year guidance. Guidance is based on visibility we have of supply for key brands.

It reflects confirmed showrooms, refurbishments, and openings and closures, but it excludes uncommitted M&A and is based on a second half average rate of $1.26 to the pound. With that, I will hand you back to Brian. Thank you.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Thanks, Anders. And so to summarize, the markets today have settled down, and we are gaining share in improved market conditions. We love the Roberto Coin brand. Sales are good, and we are very optimistic of future growth potential. Pre-owned is performing as planned and growing well year on year. And the current and recent momentum, the visibility of product intake, and the projects that we have planned all underpin our H2 expectations, and so our previously announced guidance remains unchanged. And just before we turn to Q&A, I mentioned our accreditation as a great place to work. Here's a little video of what our colleagues think.

What makes the Watches of Switzerland Group a great place to work is definitely the people. I'm surrounded by driven, passionate individuals that make me do my best work every day.

My favorite thing about working here, I guess, is that anytime I walk in, I feel like walking into a family house.

What makes us a great place to work is our community, our people, and the work that we do through our foundations to support everyone around us.

Every kind of meet that comes through the door is from a different aspect of life or a different part of the world, and it's just engaging with that and seeing that and meeting those people as well. That's what I look forward to.

I've got a great boss who really trusts in me, trusts in the rest of the team to do the right thing and create some nice jewelry.

For me, working at the Watches of Switzerland Group is more than just a job. It's a community about growth, successes, and being together.

Operator

If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Please ensure your line is unmuted locally, as you will be advised when to ask your question. So once again, that's star one if you would like to ask a question. We will take up this question from the line of Akshay Gupta from HSBC. Please go ahead.

Akshay Gupta
Equity Research Analyst, HSBC

Hello, thanks for taking my question. First question is on the U.K.. So as per my calculation, our business in the U.K. was still down 2% in Q2. Can you confirm that? And if that is the case, can you tell us what were the exit rates there? Just trying to understand if the U.K. is back to growth already. The second question is on capital allocation. So you've detailed the policy in the release where you've mentioned about a focus on strategic acquisitions. Can you tell us what kind of acquisitions you think would make sense from here? Could it still be in watches, or do you plan to continue to diversify towards jewelry? Thank you.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Hi. I'm not sure I caught all of the second part of your question there, but on your first part, the U.K. was + 2 in Q2. So we can maybe with Anders talk offline and we can get through the numbers. But the U.K. was plus 2, had a good improving trend with the underlying business and good performance carried through to November. And here in the U.K. and in the U.S., holiday season has started well. And excuse me, I didn't fully catch the second part of your question. If you wouldn't mind repeating.

Akshay Gupta
Equity Research Analyst, HSBC

Yes, so what I was asking is about the capital allocation. So you've detailed the policy in the release where you've mentioned about a focus on strategic acquisitions. So I wanted to understand what kind of acquisitions you think would make sense from here. Could it still be in watches, or do you plan to diversify more towards jewelry?

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

No, we don't plan to particularly diversify toward jewelry. We obviously made the Roberto Coin acquisition. We were delighted to do so. We do think we're, and we are hugely underrepresented in the category. So it remains a focus for us, and we have various plans in place to address that, and we think we can be bigger in jewelry. But our acquisitions to date have focused on the watch category, and that remains for sure our priority, retailers of that nature.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Louise Singlehurst from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Louise Singlehurst
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

Hi, morning, Brian and Anders. Thank you for taking my questions. Just a couple from me, please. I think just listening to the commentary and obviously reading the statement this morning, obviously the word kind of optimism, much more positive tone. I think on the call, you've been talking a bit more about the, or reminding us all about the visibility of the business. It's obviously found a much stronger position than what we've had in prior quarters this year. Can we just check on the allocation of the product, particularly going to the important Christmas trading period, is in line with expectations and the brand's expectations in terms of both volume and value of product? And then my second question was just thinking a little bit more about this exit rate.

There's obviously a lot more kind of positive discussion with regards to both the U.K. and the U.S., Q2 versus Q1. Is that more about the aspirational consumer and that weakness dropping out of the base, or are you actually seeing a really good underlying momentum in more higher-end product, particularly focused on the U.K.? Thank you.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Thanks, Louise. We do have good visibility of our intake from key partners, and we have visibility. As of this year, we have units and value. So very confident about, totally confident about the numbers that we've included for key brands and our forecasts and expectations for the year. Exit rate, we've had an improving trend, and obviously it's an important season, November and December leading up till Christmas, and it's been good and quite considerably better than last year. Here in the U.K., in terms of the consumer mix, this time last year, the consumer group that was really reluctant to spend and really impacted by what was going on in the economy did include our aspirational consumer group regionally in the U.K.

They were dealing with high interest rates, the shock of high interest rates, if you like, and what it was costing them alongside what was a pretty significant increase in the price of the product in our stores. This year round, there's definitely a much better sentiment, I think, across the market and certainly with us and a much more propensity to spend, greater confidence all round. And probably the, not probably, it's definitely the aspirational consumer in the U.K. that's returned and obviously very well represented regionally and throughout the country. In the case of the U.S., the market demand had remained strong continually. There has been a post-election benefit as well. We see that mainly in the high end. I think there may be where clients just holding back, which I think is very typical in the U.S., holding back about waiting for the outcome of the election.

But since then, particularly in high-ticket items, we've enjoyed some really good transactions and business. And just another thing I'd add to all is that throughout this whole period, the brands that we have predominantly on registration of interest lists remain so good conversion of the lists and good healthy maintenance of the list, if you like, not names getting added more than those that we're managing to take off.

Louise Singlehurst
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

That's really helpful. Thank you. Can I just ask one quick follow-up? The Bond Street Rolex flagship that opens in spring next year, can you remind us how many doors? Because if I'm correcting my memory, your Rolex has reduced the number of doors in that region. Is that correct? So you've got the one big flagship which will take obviously the predominant market share.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Yeah, it will be the only Rolex point of sale on Bond Street, and I think appropriately for the size and status of what's going to be an amazing flagship store. If you go back a couple of years ago, there were four agencies, two of them were ours, by the way. I mean, one of them we had the boutique there, but we had a real small boutique and one that really didn't do justice to the wonderful brand of Rolex. So that one's migrating, if you like, into this big new store with Mappin & Webb in the corner and Rolex. We have other plans for that space. Rolex came out there, and there were two other third-party retailers that are no longer there.

Yes, there was four points of sale, and come the opening, which will happen in March, hopefully in the first half of March. This store will be the only place you can buy a Rolex on Bond Street.

Louise Singlehurst
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

Brilliant. Looks super exciting. Thanks very much.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Yep, welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Melania Grippo from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Melania Grippo
Equity Research European Luxury Goods, BNP Paribas

Good morning, everyone. This is Melania Grippo from BNP Paribas. I've got two questions. The first one is if you could please update on the exit from the European business, if you could remind us the timing of the exit. And the second one is on the CPO, if you could please tell us what it represents in terms of sales in both U.K. and U.S. or any color you could give us on that. Thank you.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

I'll let Anders update you on both these. I should have said actually at the start of the call, I mentioned we've got David Hurley here too, President of Business in the U.S., and if any of you have any specific questions, then you should know that David's here and can answer, and we have Caroline Brown here as well, but Anders.

Anders Romberg
CFO, Watches of Switzerland Group

In terms of the exit from the EU, we're progressing really nicely. So the only two remaining points that we're still working through are in Copenhagen. The balance of it's either being closed. We closed two stores, one in Berlin and one in Stockholm with one of the brands. The other brands have been taken over by the brand owners themselves. So the ones in Copenhagen are transitioning out hopefully in January. There was a landlord work that delayed that transition. Otherwise, that would have been done in the first half. So yeah, on plan and obviously good for the brand, good for us. So everybody's happy. In terms of CPO, I mean, obviously we're up over 50% in the half in our pre-owned business. We're really thrilled about the progress that we made in Rolex Certified Pre-Owned.

We're getting better and better at managing the logistics through the service apparatus, which is really something that's key in this sector. We're super pleased with where we are. Penetration of the pre-owned business in the first half was higher due to the stock rebuild that we had to do in the U.S., which adversely impacted our product margin. As we go into the second half of the year, obviously we expect a more normalized mix in our business. Yeah, we're very pleased with it.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Yeah, I'd just add a couple of things on the pre-owned, but also doing really well with other brand pre-owned business. That Analog:Shift acquisition we made a few years back has always been great. This year, a tremendous momentum of growth with them too. The whole pre-owned category with obviously Rolex as the rock in it is really growing extremely well. I'd mentioned too, just come back to Louise's earlier question. We are going to have a whole dedicated floor in Bond Street to pre-owned. The availability and the presentation, I think will be fantastic.

Melania Grippo
Equity Research European Luxury Goods, BNP Paribas

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Kate Calvert from Investec. Please go ahead.

Kate Calvert
Equity Analyst and Head of Retail/Consumer Research, Investec

Good morning, everyone. Two questions for me. Another question on pre-owned. Have you rolled out or do you plan to roll out more Rolex CPO and non-Rolex pre-owned into more doors in the second half? And what's your sort of thoughts on rollout in the year ahead? And just coming back onto monobrand, obviously over the last year, you did dial back the number of new monobrands you opened. Sort of looking into next year beyond the sort of trials of Roberto Coin ones, do you have plans to sort of dial the number back up again in the States?

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Yeah, thanks, Kate. We're in all of our doors in the U.S. with our CPO. U.K., we're in probably on a weighted basis. We'll be in like 75% of the doors. We're just working through with Rolex as we do on everything, the exact timing of when we would add. A couple of things are clearly in the works, including this great destination in Bond Street and one or two other projects. So we're just working on timing with Rolex and as we gear up on training and in-store materials. And that's one other factor in it too, that we may well wait for all of the branded furniture and so on to be available before we make any further commitments. But it's effectively 100% in the U.S. and on a weighted basis at 75% in the U.K.

Plus all of our Rolex folks can access the product, whatever it is, through our systems and our web-enabled access. Monobrands, yeah, we think we've done a good job and a lot of it was strategic in terms of kind of distribution and presence around the country, and we have dialed back other monobrand plans going forward. If some good opportunities come that really make financial sense, of course, we'll look at them, but it is a key element of our growth plans for Roberto Coin in the U.S., and we're quite advanced on a couple of sites that we'll announce when they're complete and we have definite plans, but we know that this brand will perform well in retail. As we've enhanced the presentation of Roberto Coin in the Mayors store, the response of the clients has been fantastic.

We've actually got higher productivity, sales per foot, and much increased space. So that's a great sign, and this brand deserves elevated presentation, so mono-brand stores will be a key part of the strategy. We'll be sensible about it from a financial standpoint. We'll look to, as much as possible, have them adjacent to our existing stores, similar to what we've done with the Bulgari and the Aventura. We'll certainly look to have them initially in malls where we already have significant presence so that we've got supervision and cover and all the benefits and that sort of thing we bring, but I think there's a big opportunity in mono-brands, both directly with us and we'll also be working with our partners, many of whom have very, very strong positions in regions and states of the U.S. We'll be working with partners to do our franchise stores.

Kate Calvert
Equity Analyst and Head of Retail/Consumer Research, Investec

Thanks very much. Good luck for Christmas.

Operator

Before we take our next question, as a reminder, please press star one if you would like to ask a question. And our next question comes from the line of Alison Lygo from Deutsche Numis. Please go ahead.

Alison Lygo
Director of Retail Equity Research, Deutsche Numis

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. A few mostly on the US piece, if that's all right. Could you talk a bit about your expectations for Roberto Coin in half two? So did kind of $50 million of revenue in the first half. Should we be thinking about kind of a seasonal phasing towards H2 as we think about Christmas, or is it a bit flatter given the fact that a large portion of the business is wholesale? And then kind of linked to that, I guess, in terms of jewelry, broader jewelry in the US, have you seen anything in terms of changing trends there post-election in that category? Just thinking about the potential for that to come back.

And then just finally, in terms of the U.S. and the watches business there, was all of the drag from that annualization of the change in kind of Rolex ASP year on year and the unusual phasing, was that in Q1 or are we still kind of working through that? Thank you.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

I'll answer the first part and then. On Roberto Coin, there is slightly more planned in terms of phasing for the second half. December is obviously very, very important for the brand. In the first half, they do a huge amount of events through September, October, November as well. The phasing of the business is slightly different to the rest of it, but yet a slightly higher number in the second half of the year, but nothing outside of what we'd already had planned in the budget. We have seen really positive sell-through across the board, both in the department stores and in the wholesale multi-brand partners, which also gives us great confidence for the second half of the year.

We'll be continuing to be rolling out further Rolex shop-in-shops in the new multi-brands within our network that are opening up, including Tampa, which opens up on Monday, Vail, which will open up before the end of the year, and further stores to open up through January and February. Then the second part on the ASP.

It was to do with jewelry overall in the U.S., which I'll comment on that. The many trends in jewelry are clearly towards brands. We think that's accelerated actually. And there obviously are huge brands there that are driving the trend of Cartier, Tiffany, Bulgari, and Roberto and David Yurman all having a really positive experience as far as we can see. But certainly Roberto has. But just a couple of things I'd say on it, although you're right in saying that most of the business is wholesale. The way the department stores are operated is that quite a decent proportion of the business is concession stock that's there that gives a great presentation as a result. But what it also means is that we benefit directly from sell-out from a timing standpoint. We operate model stocks, and as product sales, we replenish.

So we are very responsive to the sell-out trend as well. And obviously, jewelry is that's usually a focus category in the holiday period. Just, I'm sorry, Alison, just remind me again, in US watches, your question was to do with the.

Alison Lygo
Director of Retail Equity Research, Deutsche Numis

Yeah, sorry. Yeah, the annualization of that funny ASP that we got last year, just whether we're kind of through that, whether that was all in Q1 or whether some in Q2 or a bit more to go into Q3, I guess.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Yeah, and I think you're talking calendar quarters, if I'm understanding you correctly. It mainly impacted us in Q3 last year, right over.

Anders Romberg
CFO, Watches of Switzerland Group

I mean, yeah, so we're tracking towards the average selling price that we were given by the brands throughout the year. So if we get a bit higher average selling price come through one month, we rebalance down and vice versa. And so far, we're tracking right on. So no problems in that sense.

Alison Lygo
Director of Retail Equity Research, Deutsche Numis

Great. That's helpful. Thank you.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

So the only thing I'd add to that, Alison, by the way, sorry to interrupt like that, is that the issue was our forecasting of the ASP last year rather than the actual, if you like. But it mainly was a correction to Q3.

Alison Lygo
Director of Retail Equity Research, Deutsche Numis

Grand. That's really helpful. Thank you.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Okie dokie.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Piral Dadhania from RBC. Please go ahead.

Piral Dadhania
Equity Analyst, RBC

Okay, thank you. Morning, everybody. So I have three questions and just a quick follow-up, if I could. So the first one is, could you perhaps just give an indication of how the performance of the supply-constrained versus non-supply-constrained watch brands has been across the H1 period? Secondly, just a confirmation on the multi-brand jewelry concept that you're planning on opening this new concept. Is that still planned for fiscal 2026? I don't think that there was any mention of that in your prepared remarks. So any clarification there would be helpful. Thirdly, just on Hodinkee, I think this is the first time we've spoken to you on an earnings call since you've acquired Hodinkee. Could you perhaps just outline what your plans for the website and the captive audience there are, what perhaps the revenue opportunities and synergy opportunities might be?

Finally, just I guess an observation, which is to say that your tone appears to be quite positive, which is, I think, in contrast to some of your luxury peers who have reported through the Q3 earnings season. Maybe just a comment on where that confidence, that positivity comes from, where some of your peers are sounding a lot more cautious on the outlook. I appreciate that much of that headwind is coming from China, which isn't a factor for you. Are you as positive, perhaps, on the U.K. outlook as you are in the U.S? Thank you.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Okay. Thanks for your questions. I'll comment on the last one first because I think you did answer it yourself. The luxury category is very influenced by direct business in China overall, and clearly that doesn't affect us. And we are in the two, I think, two best markets for watches in the US, where there's clearly growth momentum in the market that we're delighted to be a significant part of. And here in the U.K., improving consumer sentiment and market conditions that we describe as much more recognizable than what we were experiencing at this time last year, which I think was quite unprecedented. So we're clearly in the range of these overall. And we're seeing the trends. We're not responding to anything other than the trends that we're experiencing.

And it's why we did include our comment for everybody of the start of the holiday season as pretty much encouraging in both. You then have the added element, obviously, of the election being behind and generally some positive element that has come out from that as well in the U.S. So quite a few things. And the last one I've mentioned actually is the brands themselves, product introductions that we're seeing are much more appropriate for market conditions, again, particularly here in the U.K. And some introductions are ones that we work with the brands directly. Supply overall has been very good, and our buying teams have done a great job of getting our stores stocked with the right mix of product for what we know that our consumer wants. And again, this time of year, that was a bit more difficult. Then get back to your other points.

But we're not going to be specific in performance by brand, but we did comment on the fact that our registration of interest lists, which is the main tool, to be honest, that we're selling key brands through, remains very healthy. We edit the list continually. We contact, and a lot of this is reasonably recent. We're in regular contact with clients and either confirming their interest, or if we're not getting a response, we archive their position. So it's a very healthy list in the U.K. and U.S., and we experience very good conversion. So demand for those brands remains consistently strong and well in excess of supply. The jewelry store in Manchester, we have scheduled to open in July, July 25. We had a bit of a delay.

We have the two big stores that were opening there of the AP House, which will be March, and then this jewelry showroom that will open in July. They're both listed buildings, which just means you have more processes to go through in terms of getting permits and permissions. And the jewelry one just took a wee bit longer because of some internal work that the local authorities wanted to spend a bit more time on. But we're swinging hammers as we speak and pretty far ahead in the AP store and now making good progress in the jewelry store. So I had July AP in March and the other one in July. Hodinkee?

On Hodinkee, first of all, we're delighted with the acquisition. We knew Hodinkee already was incredibly well respected by our brand partners, but the positive feedback that we had on that acquisition was great. We're also really delighted with the feedback from the Hodinkee community itself, which is incredibly important. Integration's going smoothly, going to plan, and we're fleshing out and have a roadmap for all of the different categories of how we're going to grow that business. Number one, the limited editions that they do, which are incredible. We've got a great pipeline going forward for the next year. Advertising continues to be strong, and they've got some great partnerships, including a partnership with UBS that's kicked off. Insurance continues to be very, very successful for them, and we know we can continue to grow that business. I think most importantly, continuing to give Hodinkee that editorial independence.

The traffic continues to be strong for Hodinkee, and in the second half of this year, so later on this fiscal year, we will be integrating the Hodinkee website along with Watches of Switzerland. It'll be effectively sharing the same platform, and when you will click on the shop at that point in time, you'll go directly to watchesofswitzerland.com, where you'll have one of the world's best selections of timepieces. We're also delighted in terms of the team that James Stacey, who's been a long-term employee, has become the editor-in-chief of Hodinkee, so really great so far and looking forward to our growth plans for the next few years.

Piral Dadhania
Equity Analyst, RBC

That's great. Thank you very much for all the details.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

We have no further questions on the call, so I will now hand over to Scott for some webcast questions.

Thanks very much for that, Jess. We've had a question from Deborah Aitken from Bloomberg. Could you unpack your 9%-12% maintained guidance for constant currency revenue growth for fiscal 2025 in terms of helping us to understand the addition and timing of revenue to you within that target of new stores and timing and reminder on the outstanding investment cost outlay to the big stores?

Anders Romberg
CFO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Obviously, if you go back to when we gave the guidance for the year, we sort of indicated what the expectation on Roberto Coin was. You take that out of our guidance, and you'll find that the base business is projected to grow in low single digits, and we're confident that based on supply visibility and the project timing that we have confirmed, all the structural work is done, so we know the dates down to the day, more or less, so we feel pretty good about sort of where we are. We've also seen this sort of sequential improvement coming through in the U.K.. We can read it in the jewelry market, certainly, and some brands are more advanced in correcting sort of the assortment for this market than others, and the brands that are leading the way on that have performed extremely well for us.

So the others are following, and they're coming through in the second half. So I feel pretty good about that, actually. And the U.S. market, obviously, the first half was impacted by the stock rebuild that we needed to do. And the momentum coming out of Q2 and into sort of November now underwrites what we put out there. In terms of capital, obviously, we have spent a little bit more front-ended in this half because the structural work and so forth when we're building these stores is the heavy part of the capital. And the shop furnitures, which are now going in, are a smaller portion. So capital is going to come in between £60 million and £70 million.

Thank you, Anders. Further question from Deborah. CPO, do you have any breakdown on price points, please? Which price points are driving the 50% H1 gain? And which brands outside of Rolex are headlining, please? And what about rolling in a three-year plan for CPO?

I'll answer the first portion on the average selling price. If you look at sort of our Certified Pre-Owned within Rolex, it's retailing at about a 30% premium versus the average on a new range. Clearly, the consumer appetite to pay for hard-to-get products is still there. That's sort of the pricing model. Our margin in Pre-Owned has actually improved year on year slightly. I know there's been questions coming through on the volatility in the secondary market, but our overall net margin has actually gone up year on year in the half. We're happy with where we are, and I think our inventory composition is really good.

Brian Duffy
CEO, Watches of Switzerland Group

Yeah. And what I just add to that is the important thing, I think, and a lot of what we do is kind of confidence and trust. People are spending a lot of money and want to be confident and want to trust the advice that they're giving. And I think that's especially true in the world of pre-owned, where you've got less protection overall in the secondary market. But that's not the case when you're shopping with us for Rolex or for the other brands that we sell. You can be entirely confident of the authenticity and the functionality of the product, and you get great advice from our great clients in stores. So we're introducing, I think, largely a new audience to pre-owned and feel very confident about the projections.

Three-year plan, yes, of course, we're kind of projecting out resources and buying teams and space and everything else. So we certainly work on that basis. But I think we'll be talking about the pre-owned category for many years to come as clearly a growth area for us. And again, as you mentioned, Rolex is very important, but we're doing very well with other brands as well. And the skill of our buying team and finding these great products that we know that clients will love is obviously core to all of that.

Thank you, Brian. Given the time, no further questions at the moment. So Brian, back to you for closing remarks.

Yeah. Thanks, Scott. And thanks, everyone, for joining. I think our headlines have been pretty consistent throughout. We are enjoying improving trends. We see greater confidence in the market, both markets, U.K. and U.S. And the holiday season started well, and we're obviously talking a bit later than we would have done at this time last year. But we're now in December and feeling pretty good that we've got it right in terms of the potential for this period and going well. Our projects are going well. It's a big second half for us. Some massive projects in the US and obviously Bond Street here in London have been hugely important to us, and we'll get the best part of two months in our fiscal year out of that project.

And we have visibility, improving visibility to supply overall, which clearly is a core part of our guidance and our confidence that was referred to earlier. Huge thanks to our team. They've been through, I think if you look back over the last 24 months, they've been through tougher conditions and uncertainty and volatility, but they're back in their stride now for sure. And they're the ones that are helping us deliver the more positive tone and confidence that we have about the business. They are the best. We were delighted that they acknowledged that and getting us accreditation of being a great place to work. So again, thanks for joining us, and we'll look forward to updating you in the next time round. Thank you.

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